Normally, of course, it shouldn't matter how you update, but it's good to have people try both ways to identify issues exactly like this.  In fact it is hard to test updating from a build of NVDA to a newer one without actually publishing that newer one using the check for updates routine - so this would have been a tricky one to pin down prior to the new beta being released.

I must admit, as soon as I think I know how the "average" NVDA user does something, someone comes along and does it a completely different way and then asks me a question about it.

There is a video meme going around of a developer watching a user put different shaped blocks in shaped holes.  They cheer when they pick up the square and put it in the square shaped hole.  Then they pick up a round block.... and put it through the square hole (where it fits), and then a rectangle block, and a triangle block - it turns out ALL the blocks fit through the square hole.... and the developer cries because that wasn't how they envisaged it working at all.  Drifted off the track there a bit, but suffice to say, it's good to test things in as many different ways a possible :)

Meanwhile, keep an eye out for Beta 5, likely later today or tomorrow.

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 7:50 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 05:44 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Because it is not how the normal user uses the release software.

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Precisely.  And it's not normal released software, either.   Alpha and beta software are, as far as I'm concerned, in classes by themselves.  I'm not trying to imitate what goes on when I'm using production releases and I always expect that either alpha or beta software could very well have inherent issues that don't necessarily get fixed via a "typical built-in update" path.  Neither really have anything to do with "usual use cases" on the whole.  Once you reach release candidate stage, that shifts.

But, after all that, I was just reporting my standard practice.  And now I've expounded on why it's my standard practice.  Others need not share that practice nor approve of it.  Do whatever happens to float your boat.
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Brian Vogel wrote:

period.  I download, uninstall the existing beta, and install the next beta version.  Your NVDA settings, add-ons, etc., are retained, so why not start as
close to completely afresh as you can?

Because it is not how the normal user uses the release software.

My thought when testing betas, is to try not to treat them any differently then the release software would be treated in the majority of cases.

So if I want to test what the average user would find, I should behave like the average user would behave.
In this case, that means updating from the help menu.

I can see your fresh install point of view because it replaces the codebase, but to me that is unrealistic to how most users would deploy the software.

It neither simulates updates (because people don't update that way), nor simulates fresh installs (because you keep your userdata). Thus it is an abnormal modality for the software to be used in, and misses tests for the usual use cases.

Luke

Op 23 jun. 2021 om 21:13 heeft Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> het volgende geschreven:

BTW, I have corrected the spelling on "when" in the topic title, which I am responsible for having introduced.  Please, if possible, respond to messages that have "when" not "wheh."
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Hello everyone, as the subject says, is there a possibility to change or edit an input gesture of an addon which doesn’t appear in the input gesture dialog? Actually I want to change lion live OCR gesture, because it is conflicting with the direct link addon, both the keys are same (alt NVDA l) and the lion OCR isn’t available in the input gestures dialog.

Regards:

Abdulmuhamin.

Content executive at

Blind Help Project

Hello everyone, as the subject says, is there a possibility to change or edit an input gesture of an addon which doesn’t appear in the input gesture dialog? Actually I want to change lion live OCR gesture, because it is conflicting with the direct link addon, both the keys are same (alt NVDA l) and the lion OCR isn’t available in the input gestures dialog.

 

Regards:

Abdulmuhamin.

Content executive at

Blind Help Project

Have you tried reinstalling nvda at all? 

On Monday, June 21, 2021, 09:15, Naveen Kumar M <naveen.m@...> wrote:

Dear Quentin,

 

Recently I have installed MS office 2019. If I open any mails which has meeting request in outlook app, outlook is automatically getting restart. This issue I having only while NVDA or Narrator running in my system. If I open meeting request mails in outlook app while JAWS is running, I am able to open without any issues. This issue 3 members are facing in my organization. Please let me know what I can do for this issue. Even if I open the meeting requests mail without screen reader, I am not facing any issue. My colleagues tried re installing the office 2019 as well as 2016. But, still the issue hasn’t resolved. Our IT team also tried their level best. But, they couldn’t.

 

Looking forward to your response,

 

Regards,

Naveen M

 

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Blaster wrote:

Will NVDA running on a USB stick on another person's PC leave any
files or setting changes behind that would require a little clean up

Hypothetically, no. However if you are using any add-ons in the version
of NVDA on the stick, it can't be guaranteed that none of those are badly
written enough to do that.
Community approved add-ons shouldn't have this problem, but those from
other sources could.

An add-on can write to anywhere on the system that the current user can
write too, although I'm sure most of them don't have any reason to do
that.

If you stick to those from https://addons.nvda-project.org (or the "get
add-ons" button in the manager), and the ones you choose don't
specifically say they will be writing files, then you shouldn't have a
problem with add-ons.

As far as settings changes: a portable copy shouldn't change any settings
that I can think of, at least not in a negative way.

Luke

Seriously? You’ve got to be joking. These companies need to update their stuff.  The web changes its code all the time. IE is not supported anymore.  That is ridiculous!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Your going to find a lot of companies along with the government are so far back on upgrades its funny.

Here in NC they are still using xp in local and federal buildings. Even the call center I worked at 10 years ago is still using xp with JFW9.

The reason for that is cost. It cost to move up and site licenses are not cheep.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.

I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.

Your going to find a lot of companies along with the government are so far back on upgrades its funny.

Here in NC they are still using xp in local and federal buildings. Even the call center I worked at 10 years ago is still using xp with JFW9.

The reason for that is cost. It cost to move up and site licenses are not cheep.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.

I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.

Well yeah.

Its why I have been updating initial stuff ahead of time but it was the main reason why I switched to nvda for my primary.

In the early days before I knew things would drop out completely as in reguards to vista and even xp, I retired my flatbed scanner ahead of time and my old recorder in stages.

That saved me 1000 bucks I would have had to spend all at once.

Then there was my pc which I had to update.

Then there were programs, and while a lot were opensource some I had to update.

Thankfully I was able to signup for the dolphin beta last year which meant I got my old screen reader back and didn't have to fork out for that to.

However that was wwhy I didn't update.

If I had to buy jaws myself I'd probably still be back on xxp to.

My next push up will be usb c when that appears, and how my system will continue.

With the end of most laptops without secondary storage, my next plan is either a desk tower or one of those miniture pcs so who knows.

I'd prefer to keep going as I have but that may not be possible, certainly its going to cost a lot less to move away from a full laptop especially since most of my work is at my desk.

I mean I will have a laptop for some remote stuff but it aint going to be my primary driver.

Though for those on windows 7 and 8 from winaero amd has just dropped support for their hardware so once hardware support does drop there will need to be forced updates.

But at a university where I do a lot of work they can't afford upgrading from xp for some applications and devices.

Those devices and applications cost millions to buy.

They will cost a lot more to upgrade and even before covid funding was being slashed all over the place.

I'd imagine it will be harder now.

My mum's work has just done an emergency update on their printer because it failed last year.

They thought about doing something in january as their unit kept jamming and being really bad.

They have just got an emergency order for a new unit and it finally came yesterday so yeah everything is going up in price.

Your going to find a lot of companies along with the government are so far back on upgrades its funny.

Here in NC they are still using xp in local and federal buildings. Even the call center I worked at 10 years ago is still using xp with JFW9.

The reason for that is cost. It cost to move up and site licenses are not cheep.

 

 

 

On 6/23/2021 11:21 AM, kyleborah1234321@... wrote:

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.

I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.

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