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locked Re: Windows 11 accessibility

Bob Jutzi
 

Yes.

On 6/24/2021 12:46 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Are Microsoft even calling it Windows 11?



On 2021-06-24 12:31 p.m., Bob Jutzi wrote:
From the reading I've done, most of the benefits of Windows 11 are
visual and other than the Start Menu, there don't seem to be any major
changes that would affect us.  I still can't wait to get my hands on an
insider preview.


On 6/24/2021 12:25 PM, Ali Savas wrote:
Hello all,

Microsoft has finally unveiled Windows 11, which has been awaited by
many technically minded people. As expected, unfortunately not so much
was said about the accessibility of Windows 11, because not so many
people are interested in it. At least I couldn't read anything about
it.
However, I can very well imagine that developers of assistive
technologies were informed in advance to already make adjustments to
their products.

Therefore I would be interested in the following:

Are there already experiences from the developers how it looks like
with
the accessibility of Windows 11? Has much been done under the hood in
this regard or is it really "just" a beefed up Windows 10?

Personally, I think Windows 11 is a visually improved Windows 10, which
has been populated with some minor features without making any major
changes to the kernel. For this reason, I don't think there are as big
technical changes as for example from Windows XP to Vista/7. I think
Windows 11 is more marketing than anything else.

Thanks in advance and best regards
Ali












Re: NVDA 2021.1 beta 5 error installation

Chris Smart
 

thanks



On 2021-06-24 1:35 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:

You have tried to update automatically and that is not possible due to a bug in 2021.1 Beta 3 and 4...

Since you already have the file in the Temp folder, you can update starting the instalation from that executable.

As the name is difficult to check what file is the Beta5, you can dowload it directly from NVAccess through the following link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.1beta5/nvda_2021.1beta5.exe

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

Às 18:27 de 24/06/2021, Ján Kulik escreveu:
I don't know what's going on here, but I can't install NVDA 2021.1 beta 5 because:

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
usage: nvda_noUIAccess.exe [-h] [-q] [-k] [-f LOGFILENAME]
                           [-l {10,12,15,20,30,40,50,100}] [-c CONFIGPATH]
                           [-m] [-s] [--disable-addons] [--debug-logging]
                           [--no-logging] [--no-sr-flag]
                           [--install | --install-silent | --create-portable | --create-portable-silent]
                           [--portable-path PORTABLEPATH] [--launcher]
                           [--enable-start-on-logon True|False]
                           [--copy-portable-config] [--ease-of-access]
 
error: argument -m/--minimal: ignored explicit argument '--log-level=20'
---------------------------
OK

What should I do then?


Re: NVDA 2021.1 beta 5 error installation

Rui Fontes
 

You have tried to update automatically and that is not possible due to a bug in 2021.1 Beta 3 and 4...

Since you already have the file in the Temp folder, you can update starting the instalation from that executable.

As the name is difficult to check what file is the Beta5, you can dowload it directly from NVAccess through the following link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2021.1beta5/nvda_2021.1beta5.exe

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

Às 18:27 de 24/06/2021, Ján Kulik escreveu:

I don't know what's going on here, but I can't install NVDA 2021.1 beta 5 because:

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
usage: nvda_noUIAccess.exe [-h] [-q] [-k] [-f LOGFILENAME]
                           [-l {10,12,15,20,30,40,50,100}] [-c CONFIGPATH]
                           [-m] [-s] [--disable-addons] [--debug-logging]
                           [--no-logging] [--no-sr-flag]
                           [--install | --install-silent | --create-portable | --create-portable-silent]
                           [--portable-path PORTABLEPATH] [--launcher]
                           [--enable-start-on-logon True|False]
                           [--copy-portable-config] [--ease-of-access]
 
error: argument -m/--minimal: ignored explicit argument '--log-level=20'
---------------------------
OK

What should I do then?


Re: NVDA 2021.1 beta 5 error installation

Chris Smart
 

I just got exactly the same error here too.

Surprised beta 5 came out so quickly.


On 2021-06-24 1:27 p.m., Ján Kulik wrote:
I don't know what's going on here, but I can't install NVDA 2021.1 beta 5 because:

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
usage: nvda_noUIAccess.exe [-h] [-q] [-k] [-f LOGFILENAME]
                           [-l {10,12,15,20,30,40,50,100}] [-c CONFIGPATH]
                           [-m] [-s] [--disable-addons] [--debug-logging]
                           [--no-logging] [--no-sr-flag]
                           [--install | --install-silent | --create-portable | --create-portable-silent]
                           [--portable-path PORTABLEPATH] [--launcher]
                           [--enable-start-on-logon True|False]
                           [--copy-portable-config] [--ease-of-access]
 
error: argument -m/--minimal: ignored explicit argument '--log-level=20'
---------------------------
OK

What should I do then?


NVDA 2021.1 beta 5 error installation

Ján Kulik
 

I don't know what's going on here, but I can't install NVDA 2021.1 beta 5 because:

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
usage: nvda_noUIAccess.exe [-h] [-q] [-k] [-f LOGFILENAME]
                           [-l {10,12,15,20,30,40,50,100}] [-c CONFIGPATH]
                           [-m] [-s] [--disable-addons] [--debug-logging]
                           [--no-logging] [--no-sr-flag]
                           [--install | --install-silent | --create-portable | --create-portable-silent]
                           [--portable-path PORTABLEPATH] [--launcher]
                           [--enable-start-on-logon True|False]
                           [--copy-portable-config] [--ease-of-access]
 
error: argument -m/--minimal: ignored explicit argument '--log-level=20'
---------------------------
OK

What should I do then?


IMPORTANT NOTICE: Windows 10 App Essentials to be renamed to Windows App Essentials the day Windows 11 is released

 

Hello everyone,

The following information concerns Windows 10 App Essentials:

Today Microsoft announced Windows 11, the successor to Windows 10. A discussion about letting NVDA support Windows 11 was just created:

Add support for Windows 11 · Issue #12585 · nvaccess/nvda (github.com)

 

Apart from that, I hereby announce that Windows 10 App Essentials will be renamed to “Windows App Essentials” the day Windows 11 is released. The biggest reason is that Windows 11 includes user interface tweaks on top of enhanced Windows 10 technologies (subject to confirmation once Insider Preview build is released), therefore it makes sense to rename the add-on while keeping its core code intact. To acknowledge its origins (improving Windows 10 usage and feature access for NVDA users) and for backward compatibility, the internal add-on identifier will remain “wintenApps”, with the add-on update key being the same (w10). I’ll talk about support duration for Windows 11 releases once more details emerge this summer.

Cheers,

Joseph


locked Re: Windows 11 accessibility

 

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 12:46 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Are Microsoft even calling it Windows 11?
=
Yes, what had been known by the code name Sun Valley, and been developed as what had been slated to be Windows 10, Version 20H2, has been officially rebranded as Windows 11 by Microsoft a short while ago.

Note carefully what I said above.  There will be no significant accessibility changes (except for a few possible regression bugs and/or actual improvements to accessibility) in Windows 11 because it is, and always has been, the next feature update.

Why a redesigned UI, and that's the main difference in this release, warrants a rebranding as a whole new Windows version number is anyone's guess, and only the marketing geniuses at Microsoft really know.

But let's not pretend that this is some major version change like 7 to 8 and 8 to 10 were, because it's not.
--

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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Windows 11 accessibility

Chris Smart
 

Are Microsoft even calling it Windows 11?

On 2021-06-24 12:31 p.m., Bob Jutzi wrote:
From the reading I've done, most of the benefits of Windows 11 are
visual and other than the Start Menu, there don't seem to be any major
changes that would affect us.  I still can't wait to get my hands on an
insider preview.


On 6/24/2021 12:25 PM, Ali Savas wrote:
Hello all,

Microsoft has finally unveiled Windows 11, which has been awaited by
many technically minded people. As expected, unfortunately not so much
was said about the accessibility of Windows 11, because not so many
people are interested in it. At least I couldn't read anything about it.
However, I can very well imagine that developers of assistive
technologies were informed in advance to already make adjustments to
their products.

Therefore I would be interested in the following:

Are there already experiences from the developers how it looks like with
the accessibility of Windows 11? Has much been done under the hood in
this regard or is it really "just" a beefed up Windows 10?

Personally, I think Windows 11 is a visually improved Windows 10, which
has been populated with some minor features without making any major
changes to the kernel. For this reason, I don't think there are as big
technical changes as for example from Windows XP to Vista/7. I think
Windows 11 is more marketing than anything else.

Thanks in advance and best regards
Ali









locked Re: Windows 11 accessibility

Bob Jutzi
 

From the reading I've done, most of the benefits of Windows 11 are
visual and other than the Start Menu, there don't seem to be any major
changes that would affect us.  I still can't wait to get my hands on an
insider preview.

On 6/24/2021 12:25 PM, Ali Savas wrote:
Hello all,

Microsoft has finally unveiled Windows 11, which has been awaited by
many technically minded people. As expected, unfortunately not so much
was said about the accessibility of Windows 11, because not so many
people are interested in it. At least I couldn't read anything about it.
However, I can very well imagine that developers of assistive
technologies were informed in advance to already make adjustments to
their products.

Therefore I would be interested in the following:

Are there already experiences from the developers how it looks like with
the accessibility of Windows 11? Has much been done under the hood in
this regard or is it really "just" a beefed up Windows 10?

Personally, I think Windows 11 is a visually improved Windows 10, which
has been populated with some minor features without making any major
changes to the kernel. For this reason, I don't think there are as big
technical changes as for example from Windows XP to Vista/7. I think
Windows 11 is more marketing than anything else.

Thanks in advance and best regards
Ali





locked Windows 11 accessibility

Ali Savas
 

Hello all,

Microsoft has finally unveiled Windows 11, which has been awaited by
many technically minded people. As expected, unfortunately not so much
was said about the accessibility of Windows 11, because not so many
people are interested in it. At least I couldn't read anything about it.
However, I can very well imagine that developers of assistive
technologies were informed in advance to already make adjustments to
their products.

Therefore I would be interested in the following:

Are there already experiences from the developers how it looks like with
the accessibility of Windows 11? Has much been done under the hood in
this regard or is it really "just" a beefed up Windows 10?

Personally, I think Windows 11 is a visually improved Windows 10, which
has been populated with some minor features without making any major
changes to the kernel. For this reason, I don't think there are as big
technical changes as for example from Windows XP to Vista/7. I think
Windows 11 is more marketing than anything else.

Thanks in advance and best regards
Ali


Re: Community Add-Ons: Compatibility Status Page with NVDA 2021.1 - Please Consult It First #adminnotice

 

Hi,

Compatibility with older NvDA releases is really up to add-on authors to decide, but in most cases (except for a few), older NVDA releases will be supported. Backward compatibility, in this context, refers to API changes.

Cheers,

Joseph (P.S. a major announcement about one of my add-ons is coming soon)


Re: Community Add-Ons: Compatibility Status Page with NVDA 2021.1 - Please Consult It First #adminnotice

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:06 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The add-ons community has prepared a status page listing add-ons hosted on community add-ons website and their NVDA 2021.1 compatibility status:
 
-
Just giving this message a bump, and now adding some questions of my own.

We had a message regarding the Weather Plus Add-On after its transition away from using Yahoo as its base data source.  The above noted page states that it is compatible with NVDA 2021.1, but has not been updated on the Community Add-Ons page, yet, and this makes sense because 2021.1 has not been officially released, yet.

Am I correct in believing that any add-on that is compatible with 2021.1 will be incompatible with all earlier releases?  That's what I'd assume when the term "backwards compatibility breaking" release is used, both for NVDA itself and its compatible add-ons.

Is a "flash cut" as far as getting the 2021.1 compatible versions of all add-ons uploaded to the community add-ons page, and the line about compatibility for each respective add on, planned as of this time?  I realize the date will depend on exactly when 2021.1 goes from release candidate stage to actual release, but want to know if there will be an almost "light switch being thrown" updating to the community add-ons page concurrent with the release.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Comments On the New Weather Plus Add On From Adriano Barbieri

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I just want to say what a big improvement there has been with the switch from the Yahoo system to (I believe it is) the Google system that was instituted by Adriano Barbieri with the latest update of the Weather Plus Add On.  The biggest improvement for me personally is that it actually gets the barometer reading for my local area perfectly.  This was not the case with the old Yahoo system.  It was always about half an inch too low.  I also like the moon information and wind gust additions to the weather information.

Hopefully, this new system will not be short lived as was the other attempt a few years ago to switch to a different system.

Hats off to Adriano!

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available

tim
 

I had a battery of test once and that was one of them.

I did just that shoved all threw one hole. They said I did it wrong. I told them it was a test of time and I did it faster then anyone. I told them you don't get quality unless you pay for it "welcome to the working world.".


On 6/23/2021 9:45 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Normally, of course, it shouldn't matter how you update, but it's good to have people try both ways to identify issues exactly like this.  In fact it is hard to test updating from a build of NVDA to a newer one without actually publishing that newer one using the check for updates routine - so this would have been a tricky one to pin down prior to the new beta being released.

I must admit, as soon as I think I know how the "average" NVDA user does something, someone comes along and does it a completely different way and then asks me a question about it.

There is a video meme going around of a developer watching a user put different shaped blocks in shaped holes.  They cheer when they pick up the square and put it in the square shaped hole.  Then they pick up a round block.... and put it through the square hole (where it fits), and then a rectangle block, and a triangle block - it turns out ALL the blocks fit through the square hole.... and the developer cries because that wasn't how they envisaged it working at all.  Drifted off the track there a bit, but suffice to say, it's good to test things in as many different ways a possible :)

Meanwhile, keep an eye out for Beta 5, likely later today or tomorrow.

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 7:50 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 05:44 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Because it is not how the normal user uses the release software.
-
Precisely.  And it's not normal released software, either.   Alpha and beta software are, as far as I'm concerned, in classes by themselves.  I'm not trying to imitate what goes on when I'm using production releases and I always expect that either alpha or beta software could very well have inherent issues that don't necessarily get fixed via a "typical built-in update" path.  Neither really have anything to do with "usual use cases" on the whole.  Once you reach release candidate stage, that shifts.

But, after all that, I was just reporting my standard practice.  And now I've expounded on why it's my standard practice.  Others need not share that practice nor approve of it.  Do whatever happens to float your boat.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available

tim
 

Guess he don't read the screen when NVDA tells you there is a older version and will be removed for install of new version.

I get that on every update.

By using the help menu to upgrade. Told everyone this time it was broke.

Now doing it his way would of never of found that bug, and he would still be telling us our box and not the program.

On 6/23/2021 5:44 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Brian Vogel wrote:

period.  I download, uninstall the existing beta, and install the next beta version.  Your NVDA settings, add-ons, etc., are retained, so why not start as
close to completely afresh as you can?
Because it is not how the normal user uses the release software.

My thought when testing betas, is to try not to treat them any differently then the release software would be treated in the majority of cases.

So if I want to test what the average user would find, I should behave like the average user would behave.
In this case, that means updating from the help menu.

I can see your fresh install point of view because it replaces the codebase, but to me that is unrealistic to how most users would deploy the software.

It neither simulates updates (because people don't update that way), nor simulates fresh installs (because you keep your userdata). Thus it is an abnormal modality for the software to be used in, and misses tests for the usual use cases.

Luke




Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Walter <walterzuiderwijk@...>
 

Dear,
My apologies I haven't been to work today because of a migraine I hope but I can't promise anything yet I'll check on Monday to see if I can email the verzies you asked for
Kind regarts Walter Zuiderwijk

Groet Walter

Op 23 jun. 2021 om 21:13 heeft Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> het volgende geschreven:

BTW, I have corrected the spelling on "when" in the topic title, which I am responsible for having introduced.  Please, if possible, respond to messages that have "when" not "wheh."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: changing input gestures of an addon, which doesn't appear in the input gestures dialog.

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

Hi,

The direct link should be in the input gestures though, if you wish to change the other one instead. That is if you can’t edit the .py file.

Good luck.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: abdul muhamin
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration
Subject: [nvda] changing input gestures of an addon, which doesn't appear in the input gestures dialog.

 

Hello everyone, as the subject says, is there a possibility to change or edit an input gesture of an addon which doesn’t appear in the input gesture dialog? Actually I want to change lion live OCR gesture, because it is conflicting with the direct link addon, both the keys are same (alt NVDA l) and the lion OCR isn’t available in the input gestures dialog.

 

Regards:

Abdulmuhamin.

Content executive at

Blind Help Project

 


Re: changing input gestures of an addon, which doesn't appear in the input gestures dialog.

Rui Fontes
 

In that case, you will need to edit the .py file.

Look for gesture...

Be carefull to do not change anything else than the keystroke...


Rui Fontes


Às 11:31 de 24/06/2021, abdul muhamin escreveu:

Hello everyone, as the subject says, is there a possibility to change or edit an input gesture of an addon which doesn’t appear in the input gesture dialog? Actually I want to change lion live OCR gesture, because it is conflicting with the direct link addon, both the keys are same (alt NVDA l) and the lion OCR isn’t available in the input gestures dialog.

 

Regards:

Abdulmuhamin.

Content executive at

Blind Help Project


Re: Having trouble with outlook while using NVDA.

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Naveen,

I checked with Microsoft, and confirmed that this is a known issue.  It has been fixed in Office 365, but not yet in Office 2019.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 7:59 PM Naveen Kumar M <naveen.m@...> wrote:

Sorry Quentin, I missed this mail. I checked re installing the NVDA as well as reinstalling the MS office. For your information, I am using licensed version and Microsoft members also tried their level best. But, the issue hasn’t resolved.

 

Regards,

Naveen

 

NVDA Certified Expert 2019

certification page

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Crayton Benner via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having trouble with outlook while using NVDA.

 

Have you tried reinstalling nvda at all? 



On Monday, June 21, 2021, 09:15, Naveen Kumar M <naveen.m@...> wrote:

Dear Quentin,

 

Recently I have installed MS office 2019. If I open any mails which has meeting request in outlook app, outlook is automatically getting restart. This issue I having only while NVDA or Narrator running in my system. If I open meeting request mails in outlook app while JAWS is running, I am able to open without any issues. This issue 3 members are facing in my organization. Please let me know what I can do for this issue. Even if I open the meeting requests mail without screen reader, I am not facing any issue. My colleagues tried re installing the office 2019 as well as 2016. But, still the issue hasn’t resolved. Our IT team also tried their level best. But, they couldn’t.

 

Looking forward to your response,

 

Regards,

Naveen M

 

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changing input gestures of an addon, which doesn't appear in the input gestures dialog.

abdul muhamin
 

Hello everyone, as the subject says, is there a possibility to change or edit an input gesture of an addon which doesn’t appear in the input gesture dialog? Actually I want to change lion live OCR gesture, because it is conflicting with the direct link addon, both the keys are same (alt NVDA l) and the lion OCR isn’t available in the input gestures dialog.

 

Regards:

Abdulmuhamin.

Content executive at

Blind Help Project

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