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Re: NVDA crashes

Gene
 

There are logs or information Windows keeps about crashes.  I’m not sure how you find it.  But if some of the information isn’t too technical, you can tell what program is crashing.  At times, a program can crash in such a way that it causes NVDA to stop speaking even if you try to move outside of the program window.  I don’t know why. 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashes
 
Hi,
what exact version of NVDA in conjunction with what browser are you running?
Best,
Felix

Am Sa., 26. Juni 2021 um 02:51 Uhr schrieb Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>:
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:46 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
>
> I hear not responding.
>
> -
> That is very unlikely to be NVDA, but the browser (or program).  As you said, you hear the name of the website or program followed by "not responding" announced.  It's NVDA that's announcing it.  I would not be surprised if NVDA announces the open and close parentheses that surround "(not responding)".
>
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043
>
> I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.
>
>       ~ Brian Vogel
>
>
>
>





Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Josh Kennedy
 

if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and someone will help you with the install. 


Re: 2021.1 compatible Code Factory Add-on

Gerardo Corripio
 

I’m thinking that Brian mentioned on this topic a few days ago; that he’d contacted Code Factory, and they responded that the updated driver is in the works.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 26 jun 2021, a la(s) 9:14 a.m., Bob Jutzi <jutzi@...> escribió:



Anyone have info on when Code Factory Eloquence/Vocalizer add-on will be updated?  I've already contacted Code Factory directly but received no response.


Thanks.


2021.1 compatible Code Factory Add-on

Bob Jutzi <jutzi@...>
 

Anyone have info on when Code Factory Eloquence/Vocalizer add-on will be updated?  I've already contacted Code Factory directly but received no response.


Thanks.


Re: SharePoint and MS Word; phantom announcements

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello Jeff,
Are you using the standard arrow keys when you encounter these messages? This sounds like there might be a dialog on top of your Word document that NVDA is reading, but that should not occur unless you have screen review cursors working. Essentially, when using Sharepoint to save Word documents Word will push changes to the Sharepoint server so that anybody else can collaborate / edit the same time and know what you are changing almost instantaneously. If you are working on files without anybody else, you should be able to turn off this auto-save functionality, though that won't help with why NVDA is speaking these status messages.
You also might want to try going into the account area of Word, I believe it is under file info in the ribbons, and make sure you are logged into the Sharepoint account.
Best Wishes!
Jonathan Cohn


On Jun 24, 2021, at 23:34, Jeff Samco <jsamco@...> wrote:

At my work, we recently switched over to using SharePoint. I'm using the current version of NVDA. Now when working in a Word document stored on SharePoint I am getting erroneous announcements tagged on after the actual text is voiced by the speech synthesizer, irrespective of using Eloquence or OneCore. These erroneous announcements are either "sign-in required" or "upload blocked." They occur at the end of a line of text when arrowing down line-by-line. Or, they occur after speech is finished voicing a word when moving word-by-word, or after moving letter-by-letter. When using read to end, these erroneous announcements only occur when there is a line feed present.

Any suggestions what NVDA is picking up on when voicing these? How might I turn this off?

Thanks,

Jeff



Re: related, but somewhat o/t Musecore

Christopher Bartlett
 

Never mind, I found the problem.

CWB


On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 5:34 AM Christopher Bartlett via groups.io <themusicalbrewer=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

My apologies if you've seen this elsewhere, but I'm looking for someone with experience using the Musescore program with NVDA.  I'm just starting and have run into a problem I don't know how to solve.  As this is not specifically NVDA related, you could contact me off list.
Thank you.

Christopher Bartlett


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Re: Teams with NVDA

Felix G.
 

Hi!
There is a Microsoft support article on using Teams with a screen
reader. While it is not NVDA specific, it will still give you a good
understanding of how Teams is supposed to be navigated with it:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-microsoft-teams-47614fb0-a583-49f6-84da-6872223e74a0
Best,
Felix

Am Sa., 26. Juni 2021 um 12:01 Uhr schrieb Afik Souffir
<afik.souffir@...>:




Hi,

There is a guide, how to use Teams with NVDA?



Thanks,

Afik





נשלח מהאפליקציה 'דואר' עבור Windows 10




Teams with NVDA

Afik Souffir
 

 

Hi,

There is a guide, how to use Teams with NVDA?

 

Thanks,

Afik

 

 

נשלח מהאפליקציה 'דואר' עבור Windows 10

 


Re: Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Is Compatible with NVDA 2021.1

Afik Souffir
 

Hi rui,

 

Woe! Thanks for this!

 

 

נשלח מהאפליקציה 'דואר' עבור Windows 10

 

מאת: Rui Fontes
נשלח: יום שני 21 יוני 2021 21:50
אל: nvda@nvda.groups.io
נושא:
Re: [nvda] Tmflotecnia's Vocalizer And NVDA21.1?

 

Hi!


They are already compatible!


Vocalizer Expressive:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2F65nyehmf785d2r1%2Fvocalizer_expressive_driver_3.1.5_Gen.nvda-addon%3Fdl%3D1&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2b5cd1d2ef1c4ef7e9c808d934e568ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637598982172117913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=1NhqNBFc5ADmb05hw6GvO76emslGR7Q1mNBTmS0TVLY%3D&amp;reserved=0


Vocalizer:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Frk1d1pbffvzp9gk%2Fvocalizer-driver_2.1.2.nvda-addon%3Fdl%3D1&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2b5cd1d2ef1c4ef7e9c808d934e568ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637598982172117913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=e%2F88ajVUo90nHs6%2FFxO7Vz9fIP%2F0URPA5bdmBHrpBhQ%3D&amp;reserved=0


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 18:47 de 21/06/2021, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:
> In browsing the NVDA compatibility site given earlier today, I see no mention of state of if Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Expressive Voices version3, with NVDA21.1? How's the state of these?
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
>
>
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Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Felix G.
 

Hi,
in the context of a clean install, it won't just start the
installation after downloading. Downloading is performed with the
Media Creation Tool, which is the app Microsoft provides for creating
your installation media, which would usually be a flash drive. When
that has concluded, you can reboot from that flash drive to actually
install Windows, in the most extreme case repartitioning and
reformatting your hard drive beforehand, which is the way to delete
absolutely everything on the machine and get a super clean install if
that's indeed what you want.
Rebooting from your flash drive may be tricky and may require sighted
help depending on your UEFI.
Once booted, if the installer detects your sound card, it will give
you an audible welcome message as far as I remember. You may then
press ctrl+Windows+enter to start Narrator. If you don't hear
anything, your sound hardware might not have been detected. A solution
is to plug in a USB headset then try to start Narrator. Note that it
has to be a USB one as the installer comes with generic drivers for
that. For me this worked in three out of three cases.
Best,
Felix

Am Sa., 26. Juni 2021 um 00:05 Uhr schrieb Arlene <nedster66@...>:


Hi, If Narator or NVDA talk while reinstalling windows ten. I think you should have a sighted person near you if it does stop talking. Have a sighted person near by just to be safe.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Afik Souffir
Sent: June 25, 2021 3:38 AM
To: NVDA Mailing List
Subject: [nvda] clean install of windows 10





Hi,

Just want to be sure



Is clean install of windows 10 – on the same laptop accessible for blind people? Maybe with NVDA or Narator?



Thanks much,

Help will be very appreciated.



Afik





נשלח מהאפליקציה 'דואר' עבור Windows 10






Re: NVDA crashes

Felix G.
 

Hi,
what exact version of NVDA in conjunction with what browser are you running?
Best,
Felix

Am Sa., 26. Juni 2021 um 02:51 Uhr schrieb Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>:


On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:46 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:

I hear not responding.

-
That is very unlikely to be NVDA, but the browser (or program). As you said, you hear the name of the website or program followed by "not responding" announced. It's NVDA that's announcing it. I would not be surprised if NVDA announces the open and close parentheses that surround "(not responding)".

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel




Re: Can NVDA be made to speak when filters are applied to a column?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Quentin,

 

Many thanks for the partial workaround.   Can we increase the priority of this issue?

 

Pranav


Re: NVDA crashes

 

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:46 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
I hear not responding.
-
That is very unlikely to be NVDA, but the browser (or program).  As you said, you hear the name of the website or program followed by "not responding" announced.  It's NVDA that's announcing it.  I would not be surprised if NVDA announces the open and close parentheses that surround "(not responding)".
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


NVDA crashes

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hi good people:
Is there anything one can do to prevent NVDA from crashing on
websites. Many times I open a website, and when I am working on the
site, NVDA suddenly crashes. Some times I go back to the desktop to
turn it on again and it starts working. Sometimes it doesn't. When I
wait for some time, and I use the alttab keys to go back and forth, I
then hear thae name of the website anounced and I hear not responding.
Sometimes when on the internet, NVDA crashes, and the computer crashes
all together, and continues running. it becomes impossible for me to
shut it down normally. I have to stop it from running, using the
power button.
To restart it, I have to get sighted assistance, because it will just
not start with any sound. And the sighted helper has to use the mouse
to start it.
I hope my issue is not too long, and it is well understood.
Has anyone had this problem at any time, how did you go about
resolving it. I've been having this problem for some time now.
I do the "run com registration" under the tools menu when I have
problems with NVDA not responding or when icon or unknown is heard,
but this does not fix issues.
I use a windows7 32bit computer.
Thanks and cheers.
Ibrahim.


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Hi, If Narator or NVDA talk while reinstalling windows ten. I think you should have a sighted person near you if it does stop talking.  Have a sighted person near by just to be safe. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Afik Souffir
Sent: June 25, 2021 3:38 AM
To: NVDA Mailing List
Subject: [nvda] clean install of windows 10

 

 

Hi,

Just want to be sure

 

Is clean install of windows 10 – on the same laptop accessible for blind people? Maybe with NVDA or Narator?

 

Thanks much,

Help will be very appreciated.

 

Afik

 

 

נשלח מהאפליקציה 'דואר' עבור Windows 10

 

 


nvda and braille displays

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

Hello all,

I have noticed when I use my focus 14 braille with nvda, on sign in the braille display isn’t active until I have actually signed in using a qwerty keyboard.

I selected the Bluetooth port for this display in braille settings and saved the settings to work on sign in.

I prefer Bluetooth as I need the usb port for a usb disk drive.

Any thoughts welcome.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


Re: NVDA lags while working with MS Word using unicode input for local languages

 

By the way, for anyone who wants a tutorial on creating an issue in GitHub for NVDA, along with an MS-Word fillable form that you can then unprotect and copy and paste into the GitHub report so that you know you can't accidentally mess up the formatting they use to parse the report (and, boy, did I learn about that the hard way when I decided to do what I thought was some "tidying up" once when I created a trouble report).

Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA

MS-Word Fillable Form for an NVDA Bug Report Including Pre and Post Filling-Out Instructions

MS-Word Fillable Form for an NVDA Bug Report Including Only Post Filling-Out Instructions

 

How to Unprotect a Completed Fillable Word Form so the Entire Document Can Be Copied

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA lags while working with MS Word using unicode input for local languages

Luke Davis
 

T. G. J. Rukmal wrote:

ESpeak synth has been doing a fine job of reading text typed in this language using unicode until  NVDA version 2020.3. Thereafter, even in V 2020.4, we,
the Sri Lankan users of NVDA  came across a lag while typing in Sinhalese unicode in MS word and even in google docs while using both Chrome and Firefox
Go to https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues, and create a new bug issue.

The template you fill in there will ask for all the basic information that is needed.
You have described the issue pretty well here, and if you provide this information it should be a good start.

Report things like a common current Windows version, whether you've run without add-ons and get the same results, and whether you're able to downgrade to (or use a portable copy of) NVDA 2020.2 or earlier and get the corrected results again.

You can also search there for other issues similar to this, although personally I don't remember hearing of one.

Luke


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

 

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 11:11 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
while it would be ideal for a QA team to perform manual testing with NVDA, JAWS, Narrator, Supernova, VoiceOver on Mac, VoiceOver on iOS and Talkback on Android the team might not have that amount of bandwidth. If they only test with just one screen reader I’m both impressed as well as satisfied. I’m speaking as a product manager who works on an accessibility team at a media and technology company and so I think I’m looking at this issue with what I hope is a balanced perspective.
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My deepest thanks for this insight from someone who's currently "in the trenches."  It's exactly what I'd expect, as there are certain aspects of IT that fall into the category:
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.    [In English:  The more things change, the more they remain the same.]

And we all know that ideals, any ideals, are very seldom met by we mere mortals.  A long deceased cousin of a dear deceased aunt of mine had a particularly salty way of putting it when people are wishing for something, particularly an ideal situation:  Wish in one hand and defecate in the other and see which gets full first.   I believe the readership knows the salty substitute for defecate.  That observation has stuck with me from the first moment I heard it, and I had to have been under 15 years old, because of the absolute truth of it.  Some things just ain't gonna happen.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

David Goldfield
 

To add to what has already been said I have heard that automated testing only detects around 30% of all possible issues. In addition, while I agree that it would be ideal as well as nice if a company would perform manual Web testing with at least two screen readers it’s more important that their code complies with the WCAG standards, at least with the goal of achieving 2.1 AA compliance. If that goal can be met or at least if you can strive to achieve that goal then your site will work with any of today’s screen readers. Sure, there’s always a chance that a particular screen reader may, for example, temporarily have a bug where certain types of ARIA might not be properly handled. However, in a case like that that’s up to the screen reader developer and not the corporate Web development team to address. To be fair screen readers do address issues like this and that’s as it should be. In other words if your Web site is using proper code with good semantic markup then the developer has done his/her job. At that point if screen reader A works with it but screen reader B does not and if it’s a bug in that particular screen reader the corporate developer shouldn’t then be expected to write a hacky workaround to accommodate screen reader B’s bug. If that were to happen and screen reader B then addresses the bug, which screen reader B’s developers likely will if they become aware of said bug, the hacky workaround may actually wind up making things worse. Therefore, while it would be ideal for a QA team to perform manual testing with NVDA, JAWS, Narrator, Supernova, VoiceOver on Mac, VoiceOver on iOS and Talkback on Android the team might not have that amount of bandwidth. If they only test with just one screen reader I’m both impressed as well as satisfied. I’m speaking as a product manager who works on an accessibility team at a media and technology company and so I think I’m looking at this issue with what I hope is a balanced perspective.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webex Accessibility Regression

 

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 03:46 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:

I like to inform you that Cisco does not test with NVDA.  When I work for them a couple years ago in their accessibility group I was the only one who used NVDA for testing.  You need to raise this with the accessibility@... mailer and really push the point.

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And as much as I hate to be the naysayer on this, the NVDA group, the question is:  What point?

You can ask and advocate for testing with NVDA, and I think that would be a fine thing to advocate for, but no company is obligated to test specifically with NVDA, or specifically with JAWS, or specifically with Narrator.  Most companies are going to pick one, and only one, screen reader to test with, and be lucky if they have individuals truly competent with a screen reader if they're not a large enterprise (Cisco is, so they should have competent screen reader testers).

But I would not be surprised if even screen reader testing is now largely automated like a lot of other testing is, and "success" dictated by whether analysis of the speech logs has what they expected to be in them actually be in them.

The use of human testers (much like humans that do almost any sort of job) has been on the decrease even when I was still working in software development in the 1990s.  And more's the pity, because as Quentin recently pointed out on this very group, what humans actually do when faced with a given novel situation is very often very much at odds with what the developers presumed they would do and should do.  Determining how an actual person interacts with your software, including how they do things you never, ever thought anyone would do, is at the very heart of through testing.  And it happens far too little.

But I would never hold my breath that any company is doing accessibility testing with two screen readers, let alone three (or more).
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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