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Re: NVDA crashes

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

And we are right back to my standard request (I should call it a demand, as that's what it really is, in reality):  Versions, Versions, Versions!It is right
next to impossible to give accurate technical assistance without them.  For any issue such as this the Windows Version and Build, the NVDA version, and the
Brian if you're talking about Don's message here, to which I just responded, my answer is:

* Every version of NVDA at least since 2019.3.1.
* Every version of Windows 10 at least since 18XX.
* Other software often included Firefox, every version over the last three years.

I once filed a GitHub issue about this, which got very little love, although I do see that Quentin asked for a test there that I should run.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11546

Luke


Re: NVDA crashes

Luke Davis
 

Don H wrote:

The only issue I continue to have with NVDA is the loss of the normal hot keys for NVDA. All the hot keys stop working and I have found the only way to get them working again is to restart NVDA. In this case I can not close NVDA before I do this as the insert q key doesn't work.
Yes, happens to me several times per day. Quite annoying. Fortunately, there's nothing wrong with pressing Control+Alt+n to restart it--it terminates the previous copy as part of startup, so there's no reason to worry about not having pressed NVDA+q.

After looking at a debug log, I've found that what is really happening is that the windows key is getting virtually stuck. So all the combinations have Windows included with them.
I do not know what causes that, and I also don't know if it's the same on every system where this happens.
Feel free to turn on debug logging and send me a log (%temp%\nvda-old.log) the next time this happens and you have restarted NVDA, and I can see if it's the same for you.

Luke


Re: NVDA crashes

Gene
 

You can close NVDA either using the system tray icon to open the menu and exiting from there, or you can use the Windows task manager.  I don’t know what you currently do when you have this problem.
 
I’m using Windows 7 and I don’t know how often this problem happens to those running 7 or other versions, but off and on, the same thing happens to me. 
 
I also have happen, off and on, a key getting stuck such as the NVDA key or control or alt.  If I press the keys that might be stuck, that corrects that problem.  This problem didn’t exist in NVDA a number of years ago and I don’t know when it was introduced.  But at least using Windows 7, on my machine, it is a problem now, and in recent versions.  I hadn’t used newer versions of NVDA much for a good while until newer versions of programs required it so I don’t know when this became a problem.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashes
 
The only issue I continue to have with NVDA is the loss of the normal
hot keys for NVDA.  All the hot keys stop working and I have found the
only way to get them working again is to restart NVDA.  In this case I
can not close NVDA before I do this as the insert q key doesn't work.






Re: NVDA crashes

 

And we are right back to my standard request (I should call it a demand, as that's what it really is, in reality):  Versions, Versions, Versions!

It is right next to impossible to give accurate technical assistance without them.  For any issue such as this the Windows Version and Build, the NVDA version, and the other software in use, and its version number, are bare essentials.

Without those, all advice is just broad speculation, which seldom solves anything.  And that's not the fault of those doing the speculating, as that's all they can do with what they've been given to work with.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA crashes

Don H
 

The only issue I continue to have with NVDA is the loss of the normal hot keys for NVDA. All the hot keys stop working and I have found the only way to get them working again is to restart NVDA. In this case I can not close NVDA before I do this as the insert q key doesn't work.


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Hareth
 

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense they
announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just
hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds
after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.
Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions are
accessible with narrator.
Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android
phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or
android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point
your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and
someone will help you with the install.






Re: NVDA crashes

Gene
 

There are logs or information Windows keeps about crashes.  I’m not sure how you find it.  But if some of the information isn’t too technical, you can tell what program is crashing.  At times, a program can crash in such a way that it causes NVDA to stop speaking even if you try to move outside of the program window.  I don’t know why. 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashes
 
Hi,
what exact version of NVDA in conjunction with what browser are you running?
Best,
Felix

Am Sa., 26. Juni 2021 um 02:51 Uhr schrieb Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>:
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:46 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
>
> I hear not responding.
>
> -
> That is very unlikely to be NVDA, but the browser (or program).  As you said, you hear the name of the website or program followed by "not responding" announced.  It's NVDA that's announcing it.  I would not be surprised if NVDA announces the open and close parentheses that surround "(not responding)".
>
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043
>
> I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.
>
>       ~ Brian Vogel
>
>
>
>





Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Josh Kennedy
 

if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and someone will help you with the install. 


Re: 2021.1 compatible Code Factory Add-on

Gerardo Corripio
 

I’m thinking that Brian mentioned on this topic a few days ago; that he’d contacted Code Factory, and they responded that the updated driver is in the works.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 26 jun 2021, a la(s) 9:14 a.m., Bob Jutzi <jutzi@...> escribió:



Anyone have info on when Code Factory Eloquence/Vocalizer add-on will be updated?  I've already contacted Code Factory directly but received no response.


Thanks.


2021.1 compatible Code Factory Add-on

Bob Jutzi
 

Anyone have info on when Code Factory Eloquence/Vocalizer add-on will be updated?  I've already contacted Code Factory directly but received no response.


Thanks.


Re: SharePoint and MS Word; phantom announcements

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello Jeff,
Are you using the standard arrow keys when you encounter these messages? This sounds like there might be a dialog on top of your Word document that NVDA is reading, but that should not occur unless you have screen review cursors working. Essentially, when using Sharepoint to save Word documents Word will push changes to the Sharepoint server so that anybody else can collaborate / edit the same time and know what you are changing almost instantaneously. If you are working on files without anybody else, you should be able to turn off this auto-save functionality, though that won't help with why NVDA is speaking these status messages.
You also might want to try going into the account area of Word, I believe it is under file info in the ribbons, and make sure you are logged into the Sharepoint account.
Best Wishes!
Jonathan Cohn


On Jun 24, 2021, at 23:34, Jeff Samco <jsamco@...> wrote:

At my work, we recently switched over to using SharePoint. I'm using the current version of NVDA. Now when working in a Word document stored on SharePoint I am getting erroneous announcements tagged on after the actual text is voiced by the speech synthesizer, irrespective of using Eloquence or OneCore. These erroneous announcements are either "sign-in required" or "upload blocked." They occur at the end of a line of text when arrowing down line-by-line. Or, they occur after speech is finished voicing a word when moving word-by-word, or after moving letter-by-letter. When using read to end, these erroneous announcements only occur when there is a line feed present.

Any suggestions what NVDA is picking up on when voicing these? How might I turn this off?

Thanks,

Jeff



Re: related, but somewhat o/t Musecore

Christopher Bartlett
 

Never mind, I found the problem.

CWB


On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 5:34 AM Christopher Bartlett via groups.io <themusicalbrewer=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
My apologies if you've seen this elsewhere, but I'm looking for someone with experience using the Musescore program with NVDA.  I'm just starting and have run into a problem I don't know how to solve.  As this is not specifically NVDA related, you could contact me off list.
Thank you.

Christopher Bartlett


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Christopher Bartlett



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Christopher Bartlett


Re: Teams with NVDA

Felix G.
 

Hi!
There is a Microsoft support article on using Teams with a screen
reader. While it is not NVDA specific, it will still give you a good
understanding of how Teams is supposed to be navigated with it:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-microsoft-teams-47614fb0-a583-49f6-84da-6872223e74a0
Best,
Felix

Am Sa., 26. Juni 2021 um 12:01 Uhr schrieb Afik Souffir
<afik.souffir@outlook.com>:




Hi,

There is a guide, how to use Teams with NVDA?



Thanks,

Afik





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Teams with NVDA

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

 

Hi,

There is a guide, how to use Teams with NVDA?

 

Thanks,

Afik

 

 

נשלח מהאפליקציה 'דואר' עבור Windows 10

 


Re: Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Is Compatible with NVDA 2021.1

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

Hi rui,

 

Woe! Thanks for this!

 

 

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מאת: Rui Fontes
נשלח: יום שני 21 יוני 2021 21:50
אל: nvda@nvda.groups.io
נושא:
Re: [nvda] Tmflotecnia's Vocalizer And NVDA21.1?

 

Hi!


They are already compatible!


Vocalizer Expressive:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2F65nyehmf785d2r1%2Fvocalizer_expressive_driver_3.1.5_Gen.nvda-addon%3Fdl%3D1&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2b5cd1d2ef1c4ef7e9c808d934e568ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637598982172117913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=1NhqNBFc5ADmb05hw6GvO76emslGR7Q1mNBTmS0TVLY%3D&amp;reserved=0


Vocalizer:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Frk1d1pbffvzp9gk%2Fvocalizer-driver_2.1.2.nvda-addon%3Fdl%3D1&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2b5cd1d2ef1c4ef7e9c808d934e568ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637598982172117913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=e%2F88ajVUo90nHs6%2FFxO7Vz9fIP%2F0URPA5bdmBHrpBhQ%3D&amp;reserved=0


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 18:47 de 21/06/2021, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:
> In browsing the NVDA compatibility site given earlier today, I see no mention of state of if Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Expressive Voices version3, with NVDA21.1? How's the state of these?
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
>
>
>




 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Felix G.
 

Hi,
in the context of a clean install, it won't just start the
installation after downloading. Downloading is performed with the
Media Creation Tool, which is the app Microsoft provides for creating
your installation media, which would usually be a flash drive. When
that has concluded, you can reboot from that flash drive to actually
install Windows, in the most extreme case repartitioning and
reformatting your hard drive beforehand, which is the way to delete
absolutely everything on the machine and get a super clean install if
that's indeed what you want.
Rebooting from your flash drive may be tricky and may require sighted
help depending on your UEFI.
Once booted, if the installer detects your sound card, it will give
you an audible welcome message as far as I remember. You may then
press ctrl+Windows+enter to start Narrator. If you don't hear
anything, your sound hardware might not have been detected. A solution
is to plug in a USB headset then try to start Narrator. Note that it
has to be a USB one as the installer comes with generic drivers for
that. For me this worked in three out of three cases.
Best,
Felix

Am Sa., 26. Juni 2021 um 00:05 Uhr schrieb Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com>:


Hi, If Narator or NVDA talk while reinstalling windows ten. I think you should have a sighted person near you if it does stop talking. Have a sighted person near by just to be safe.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Afik Souffir
Sent: June 25, 2021 3:38 AM
To: NVDA Mailing List
Subject: [nvda] clean install of windows 10





Hi,

Just want to be sure



Is clean install of windows 10 – on the same laptop accessible for blind people? Maybe with NVDA or Narator?



Thanks much,

Help will be very appreciated.



Afik





נשלח מהאפליקציה 'דואר' עבור Windows 10






Re: NVDA crashes

Felix G.
 

Hi,
what exact version of NVDA in conjunction with what browser are you running?
Best,
Felix

Am Sa., 26. Juni 2021 um 02:51 Uhr schrieb Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com>:


On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:46 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:

I hear not responding.

-
That is very unlikely to be NVDA, but the browser (or program). As you said, you hear the name of the website or program followed by "not responding" announced. It's NVDA that's announcing it. I would not be surprised if NVDA announces the open and close parentheses that surround "(not responding)".

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel




Re: Can NVDA be made to speak when filters are applied to a column?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Quentin,

 

Many thanks for the partial workaround.   Can we increase the priority of this issue?

 

Pranav


Re: NVDA crashes

 

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:46 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
I hear not responding.
-
That is very unlikely to be NVDA, but the browser (or program).  As you said, you hear the name of the website or program followed by "not responding" announced.  It's NVDA that's announcing it.  I would not be surprised if NVDA announces the open and close parentheses that surround "(not responding)".
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


NVDA crashes

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hi good people:
Is there anything one can do to prevent NVDA from crashing on
websites. Many times I open a website, and when I am working on the
site, NVDA suddenly crashes. Some times I go back to the desktop to
turn it on again and it starts working. Sometimes it doesn't. When I
wait for some time, and I use the alttab keys to go back and forth, I
then hear thae name of the website anounced and I hear not responding.
Sometimes when on the internet, NVDA crashes, and the computer crashes
all together, and continues running. it becomes impossible for me to
shut it down normally. I have to stop it from running, using the
power button.
To restart it, I have to get sighted assistance, because it will just
not start with any sound. And the sighted helper has to use the mouse
to start it.
I hope my issue is not too long, and it is well understood.
Has anyone had this problem at any time, how did you go about
resolving it. I've been having this problem for some time now.
I do the "run com registration" under the tools menu when I have
problems with NVDA not responding or when icon or unknown is heard,
but this does not fix issues.
I use a windows7 32bit computer.
Thanks and cheers.
Ibrahim.

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