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Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Hi, it’s both. For myself and to help others.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: June 26, 2021 12:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

So are you asking if you need to help others or if you need to do it yourself one of these days?  While there is nothing wrong with asking such questions, I think that, at least from your standpoint, for correcting problems with your computer, it is much more important to know how to back up and restore your system.  That will allow you, if you need to, to restore your system just as it was before you had problems and you will have all your programs and settings as they were recently if you keep the backup current.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 2:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Geen I have no problems. I did have some minor ones. I fixed them myself. They did goaway. I would do a clean format as the last resort.  I did a windows repair and it was fixed. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: June 26, 2021 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Why do you want to start over in that way and is a reinstallation of Windows the best way to solve your problems?

 

I’m going into this not just for you, but because I see this repeatedly and often when people ask questions.  What problems are you trying to solve?  Repeatedly, I see people ask how to do something because they think it is the way or the best way to accomplish what they want and they don’t explain the problems or what they are trying to accomplish.  the result is either bad help or help that takes far longer than necessary to get to the proper points to discuss.  When people ask how to do something and don’t explain what the specific problems are they are trying to solve, we can’t address those problems.  We can answer the how question but we have no way of knowing or discussing if that is the way to solve a problem in the first place or if it  is the best way to solve the problem.

 

Could your problems be better solved by some sort of Windows repair, perhaps by running System File checker or something else?  None of this is being discussed where it might be if we knew the problems you are having.

 

If you do a completely clean installation of Windows, you must reinstall every program and set every setting you changed anywhere in the past for anything on your computer that you don’t access in the cloud.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Hi there, If you wipe the whole thing clean? Do you have to set it all back up as though you bought the computer brand new?  I know this sounds stupid. Do you have to set up all your Microsoft account?  Do you have to have a windows ten disk?  This computer came without one.  If I was to wipe my system Does this Acer computer or any other windows computers come with windows  already in them? I hope I asked the right questions. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: June 26, 2021 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense  they

announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just

hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds

after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.

Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions  are

accessible with narrator.

Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

> if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android

> phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or

> android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point

> your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and

> someone will help you with the install.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA crashes

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 06:26 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Thanks for telling us the font attributes; without looking at them letter by letter and requesting deep font information, the boldness, italicity, and underlinedness (underlineyness?) completely escaped me, and I suspect most others. :)
-
Serious response:  What is the "blind centric" method of creating emphasis in a text?  I realize that someone who's blind does not see bold, italic, or underline but I thought I had remembered something about the various synths doing something akin to what is done for capital letters where pitch goes up.

But even if you can't see the emphasis itself.  That's set on a line by itself which constitutes a paragraph of it's own.  And even though we beg those who've just subscribed to read through the welcome message, which includes the group rules, in its entirety just once, no one in group administration is foolish enough to believe that this request is honored by all new members.

But I don't know what we can do other than put this stuff in writing, and try to be as consistent as any two human beings can be about enforcement.  There's no way we can catch absolutely, positively, everything.  I also know that most of the group rules were not pulled out of the posteriors of those who put them together, but came about in response to situations that we'd like to avoid going forward.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA crashes

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

-It is.   The group rules have stated, in bold, italic, and underlined text for quite a while now:
Thanks for telling us the font attributes; without looking at them letter by letter and requesting deep font information, the boldness, italicity, and underlinedness (underlineyness?) completely escaped me, and I suspect most others. :)

Luke


Re: NVDA crashes

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 01:24 PM, Gene wrote:
Whether you would say that using Windows 7 itself makes the topic improper for discussion, I of course don’t know
-
It is.   The group rules have stated, in bold, italic, and underlined text for quite a while now:

Unsupported versions of any software may only be discussed on the Chat Subgroup, not the main NVDA Group. 

Windows:  Only Windows 8.1 and currently supported versions of Windows 10.  Members should refer to the Windows Lifecycle Fact Sheet to determine which versions of Windows are currently supported.  Information about the dates on which specific versions of Windows 10 reached or will reach their end of service dates is listed there as well and will be updated as new versions are released. 

Note that it is acceptable to direct a user to the NVAccess or Microsoft sites where older versions can be downloaded, however, this is different than supporting a specific version of software or operating system.

NVDA:  NVDA has, at any given time, a single version under active support.  If a question arises about how to update to that version, and you’re on an earlier version, that will be permitted as transition problems can occasionally occur.

====
Windows 7 is out of support.  It no longer remains a long-term solid ecosystem under which to run anything in contact with cyberspace, and I don't know of anyone here who isn't doing email, web browsing, etc.  It's also virtually certain that sooner or later NVDA is no longer going to be compatible with Windows 7.

We have a venue where members who wish to have discussions regarding anything within the realm of civil discourse (and that includes Windows 7, or other out of support software) may do so with others who are potentially interested in engaging in same:  The Chat Subgroup.

NVDA Chat Subgroup Archive:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/chat/topics

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--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Gene
 

So are you asking if you need to help others or if you need to do it yourself one of these days?  While there is nothing wrong with asking such questions, I think that, at least from your standpoint, for correcting problems with your computer, it is much more important to know how to back up and restore your system.  That will allow you, if you need to, to restore your system just as it was before you had problems and you will have all your programs and settings as they were recently if you keep the backup current.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?
 

Geen I have no problems. I did have some minor ones. I fixed them myself. They did goaway. I would do a clean format as the last resort.  I did a windows repair and it was fixed. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: June 26, 2021 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Why do you want to start over in that way and is a reinstallation of Windows the best way to solve your problems?

 

I’m going into this not just for you, but because I see this repeatedly and often when people ask questions.  What problems are you trying to solve?  Repeatedly, I see people ask how to do something because they think it is the way or the best way to accomplish what they want and they don’t explain the problems or what they are trying to accomplish.  the result is either bad help or help that takes far longer than necessary to get to the proper points to discuss.  When people ask how to do something and don’t explain what the specific problems are they are trying to solve, we can’t address those problems.  We can answer the how question but we have no way of knowing or discussing if that is the way to solve a problem in the first place or if it  is the best way to solve the problem.

 

Could your problems be better solved by some sort of Windows repair, perhaps by running System File checker or something else?  None of this is being discussed where it might be if we knew the problems you are having.

 

If you do a completely clean installation of Windows, you must reinstall every program and set every setting you changed anywhere in the past for anything on your computer that you don’t access in the cloud.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Hi there, If you wipe the whole thing clean? Do you have to set it all back up as though you bought the computer brand new?  I know this sounds stupid. Do you have to set up all your Microsoft account?  Do you have to have a windows ten disk?  This computer came without one.  If I was to wipe my system Does this Acer computer or any other windows computers come with windows  already in them? I hope I asked the right questions. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: June 26, 2021 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense  they

announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just

hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds

after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.

Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions  are

accessible with narrator.

Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

> if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android

> phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or

> android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point

> your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and

> someone will help you with the install.

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Geen I have no problems. I did have some minor ones. I fixed them myself. They did goaway. I would do a clean format as the last resort.  I did a windows repair and it was fixed. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: June 26, 2021 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Why do you want to start over in that way and is a reinstallation of Windows the best way to solve your problems?

 

I’m going into this not just for you, but because I see this repeatedly and often when people ask questions.  What problems are you trying to solve?  Repeatedly, I see people ask how to do something because they think it is the way or the best way to accomplish what they want and they don’t explain the problems or what they are trying to accomplish.  the result is either bad help or help that takes far longer than necessary to get to the proper points to discuss.  When people ask how to do something and don’t explain what the specific problems are they are trying to solve, we can’t address those problems.  We can answer the how question but we have no way of knowing or discussing if that is the way to solve a problem in the first place or if it  is the best way to solve the problem.

 

Could your problems be better solved by some sort of Windows repair, perhaps by running System File checker or something else?  None of this is being discussed where it might be if we knew the problems you are having.

 

If you do a completely clean installation of Windows, you must reinstall every program and set every setting you changed anywhere in the past for anything on your computer that you don’t access in the cloud.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Hi there, If you wipe the whole thing clean? Do you have to set it all back up as though you bought the computer brand new?  I know this sounds stupid. Do you have to set up all your Microsoft account?  Do you have to have a windows ten disk?  This computer came without one.  If I was to wipe my system Does this Acer computer or any other windows computers come with windows  already in them? I hope I asked the right questions. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: June 26, 2021 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense  they

announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just

hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds

after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.

Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions  are

accessible with narrator.

Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

> if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android

> phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or

> android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point

> your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and

> someone will help you with the install.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Gene
 

Why do you want to start over in that way and is a reinstallation of Windows the best way to solve your problems?
 
I’m going into this not just for you, but because I see this repeatedly and often when people ask questions.  What problems are you trying to solve?  Repeatedly, I see people ask how to do something because they think it is the way or the best way to accomplish what they want and they don’t explain the problems or what they are trying to accomplish.  the result is either bad help or help that takes far longer than necessary to get to the proper points to discuss.  When people ask how to do something and don’t explain what the specific problems are they are trying to solve, we can’t address those problems.  We can answer the how question but we have no way of knowing or discussing if that is the way to solve a problem in the first place or if it  is the best way to solve the problem.
 
Could your problems be better solved by some sort of Windows repair, perhaps by running System File checker or something else?  None of this is being discussed where it might be if we knew the problems you are having.
 
If you do a completely clean installation of Windows, you must reinstall every program and set every setting you changed anywhere in the past for anything on your computer that you don’t access in the cloud.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?
 

Hi there, If you wipe the whole thing clean? Do you have to set it all back up as though you bought the computer brand new?  I know this sounds stupid. Do you have to set up all your Microsoft account?  Do you have to have a windows ten disk?  This computer came without one.  If I was to wipe my system Does this Acer computer or any other windows computers come with windows  already in them? I hope I asked the right questions. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: June 26, 2021 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense  they

announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just

hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds

after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.

Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions  are

accessible with narrator.

Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

> if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android

> phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or

> android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point

> your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and

> someone will help you with the install.

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Thanks, if I wanted to get rid of this computer I’d follow your instructions and scrub it right clean. I’ll write this down for the future or if I want to help someone else who has windows ten.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Felix G.
Sent: June 26, 2021 12:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Hi,

in the context of a clean install, it won't just start the

installation after downloading. Downloading is performed with the

Media Creation Tool, which is the app Microsoft provides for creating

your installation media, which would usually be a flash drive. When

that has concluded, you can reboot from that flash drive to actually

install Windows, in the most extreme case repartitioning and

reformatting your hard drive beforehand, which is the way to delete

absolutely everything on the machine and get a super clean install if

that's indeed what you want.

Rebooting from your flash drive may be tricky and may require sighted

help depending on your UEFI.

Once booted, if the installer detects your sound card, it will give

you an audible welcome message as far as I remember. You may then

press ctrl+Windows+enter to start Narrator. If you don't hear

anything, your sound hardware might not have been detected. A solution

is to plug in a USB headset then try to start Narrator. Note that it

has to be a USB one as the installer comes with generic drivers for

that. For me this worked in three out of three cases.

Best,

Felix

 

Am Sa., 26. Juni 2021 um 00:05 Uhr schrieb Arlene <nedster66@...>:

> Hi, If Narator or NVDA talk while reinstalling windows ten. I think you should have a sighted person near you if it does stop talking.  Have a sighted person near by just to be safe.

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Afik Souffir

> Sent: June 25, 2021 3:38 AM

> To: NVDA Mailing List

> Subject: [nvda] clean install of windows 10

> Hi,

> Just want to be sure

> Is clean install of windows 10 – on the same laptop accessible for blind people? Maybe with NVDA or Narator?

> Thanks much,

> Help will be very appreciated.

> Afik

> נשלח מהאפליקציה 'דואר' עבור Windows 10

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Hi, I do have an I Phone.  Do I have to go get a fresh windows ten installation from the Microsoft site?  As I said my computer came with no windows disk. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: June 26, 2021 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and someone will help you with the install. 

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Hi there, If you wipe the whole thing clean? Do you have to set it all back up as though you bought the computer brand new?  I know this sounds stupid. Do you have to set up all your Microsoft account?  Do you have to have a windows ten disk?  This computer came without one.  If I was to wipe my system Does this Acer computer or any other windows computers come with windows  already in them? I hope I asked the right questions. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: June 26, 2021 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense  they

announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just

hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds

after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.

Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions  are

accessible with narrator.

Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

> if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android

> phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or

> android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point

> your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and

> someone will help you with the install.

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Hi there, were you able to do this whole thing without sighted supervision?  Did Nairator talk all the way through the installation? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Walter via groups.io
Sent: June 26, 2021 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Windows narrator works also when you reinstall windows 10 when you have labtop annd the microsoft text is on the screen, than you push the windos key +control key. When you use these keys windows narrator is talking to you. The priviust week I have dun that for my instalation of Windows 10 and I can tell you it works greatt. Becals I am blind.

Kind regarts Walter

 

Groet Walter

 

> Op 26 jun. 2021 om 17:58 heeft Hareth <hareth4m@...> het volgende geschreven:

>

> I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense  they

> announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just

> hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds

> after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.

> Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions  are

> accessible with narrator.

> Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

>> On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

>> if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android

>> phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or

>> android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point

>> your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and

>> someone will help you with the install.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA crashes

Gene
 

NVDA supports Windows 7 officially.  As far as the browser is concerned, Windows 7 is still supported in Firefox and the Chrome-based browsers I use including Brave and Edge.  Whether you would say that using Windows 7 itself makes the topic improper for discussion, I of course don’t know but the browser and NVDA itself are still likely supported.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashes
 
On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Brian if you're talking about Don's message here
-
No, I'm talking about the Original Poster (OP), who goes on at great length about the issues encountered, which is great and which I applaud, but never mentioned any of those very basics in that post.

When asking for technical support for a complex problem, where very often there's interplay between things, having a reasonably exact picture of what's being worked with is essential, not optional.

But I will admit that I just saw something in the original post I had missed: I use a windows 7 32-bit computer.

So, we're talking about an out-of-support version of Windows, an out-of-support version of NVDA (I think, but I may be wrong on that), and most likely an out-of-support version of the web browser in question.   All of these are in violation of expressly stated group rules.

Windows 7 is dead, dead, dead and the policy of the NVDA group is to allow discussion only of supported versions of all software, with the express exception of a request for information on how to update Windows 7 or Windows 8 to Windows 10 (and 32 and 64-bit versions of Win10 are still supported).  Unless the OP wants to update to Windows 10, this topic is finished on the main group.  No restrictions on discussing out-of-support anything exists on the Chat Subgroup, which is where any subsequent conversation about the setup initially described clearly belongs.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA crashes

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Brian if you're talking about Don's message here
-
No, I'm talking about the Original Poster (OP), who goes on at great length about the issues encountered, which is great and which I applaud, but never mentioned any of those very basics in that post.

When asking for technical support for a complex problem, where very often there's interplay between things, having a reasonably exact picture of what's being worked with is essential, not optional.

But I will admit that I just saw something in the original post I had missed: I use a windows 7 32-bit computer.

So, we're talking about an out-of-support version of Windows, an out-of-support version of NVDA (I think, but I may be wrong on that), and most likely an out-of-support version of the web browser in question.   All of these are in violation of expressly stated group rules.

Windows 7 is dead, dead, dead and the policy of the NVDA group is to allow discussion only of supported versions of all software, with the express exception of a request for information on how to update Windows 7 or Windows 8 to Windows 10 (and 32 and 64-bit versions of Win10 are still supported).  Unless the OP wants to update to Windows 10, this topic is finished on the main group.  No restrictions on discussing out-of-support anything exists on the Chat Subgroup, which is where any subsequent conversation about the setup initially described clearly belongs.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Walter <walterzuiderwijk@...>
 

Windows narrator works also when you reinstall windows 10 when you have labtop annd the microsoft text is on the screen, than you push the windos key +control key. When you use these keys windows narrator is talking to you. The priviust week I have dun that for my instalation of Windows 10 and I can tell you it works greatt. Becals I am blind.
Kind regarts Walter

Groet Walter

Op 26 jun. 2021 om 17:58 heeft Hareth <hareth4m@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense they
announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just
hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds
after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.
Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions are
accessible with narrator.
Never needed a sighted help with it sense.
On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android
phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or
android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point
your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and
someone will help you with the install.









Re: NVDA crashes

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

And we are right back to my standard request (I should call it a demand, as that's what it really is, in reality):  Versions, Versions, Versions!It is right
next to impossible to give accurate technical assistance without them.  For any issue such as this the Windows Version and Build, the NVDA version, and the
Brian if you're talking about Don's message here, to which I just responded, my answer is:

* Every version of NVDA at least since 2019.3.1.
* Every version of Windows 10 at least since 18XX.
* Other software often included Firefox, every version over the last three years.

I once filed a GitHub issue about this, which got very little love, although I do see that Quentin asked for a test there that I should run.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11546

Luke


Re: NVDA crashes

Luke Davis
 

Don H wrote:

The only issue I continue to have with NVDA is the loss of the normal hot keys for NVDA. All the hot keys stop working and I have found the only way to get them working again is to restart NVDA. In this case I can not close NVDA before I do this as the insert q key doesn't work.
Yes, happens to me several times per day. Quite annoying. Fortunately, there's nothing wrong with pressing Control+Alt+n to restart it--it terminates the previous copy as part of startup, so there's no reason to worry about not having pressed NVDA+q.

After looking at a debug log, I've found that what is really happening is that the windows key is getting virtually stuck. So all the combinations have Windows included with them.
I do not know what causes that, and I also don't know if it's the same on every system where this happens.
Feel free to turn on debug logging and send me a log (%temp%\nvda-old.log) the next time this happens and you have restarted NVDA, and I can see if it's the same for you.

Luke


Re: NVDA crashes

Gene
 

You can close NVDA either using the system tray icon to open the menu and exiting from there, or you can use the Windows task manager.  I don’t know what you currently do when you have this problem.
 
I’m using Windows 7 and I don’t know how often this problem happens to those running 7 or other versions, but off and on, the same thing happens to me. 
 
I also have happen, off and on, a key getting stuck such as the NVDA key or control or alt.  If I press the keys that might be stuck, that corrects that problem.  This problem didn’t exist in NVDA a number of years ago and I don’t know when it was introduced.  But at least using Windows 7, on my machine, it is a problem now, and in recent versions.  I hadn’t used newer versions of NVDA much for a good while until newer versions of programs required it so I don’t know when this became a problem.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashes
 
The only issue I continue to have with NVDA is the loss of the normal
hot keys for NVDA.  All the hot keys stop working and I have found the
only way to get them working again is to restart NVDA.  In this case I
can not close NVDA before I do this as the insert q key doesn't work.






Re: NVDA crashes

 

And we are right back to my standard request (I should call it a demand, as that's what it really is, in reality):  Versions, Versions, Versions!

It is right next to impossible to give accurate technical assistance without them.  For any issue such as this the Windows Version and Build, the NVDA version, and the other software in use, and its version number, are bare essentials.

Without those, all advice is just broad speculation, which seldom solves anything.  And that's not the fault of those doing the speculating, as that's all they can do with what they've been given to work with.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA crashes

Don H
 

The only issue I continue to have with NVDA is the loss of the normal hot keys for NVDA. All the hot keys stop working and I have found the only way to get them working again is to restart NVDA. In this case I can not close NVDA before I do this as the insert q key doesn't work.


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Hareth <hareth4m@...>
 

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense they
announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just
hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds
after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.
Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions are
accessible with narrator.
Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android
phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or
android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point
your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and
someone will help you with the install.





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