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Re: Loss of Speech at Sign-in Screen after period of inactivity

Gene
 

I don’t know but why do you let it sit at the sign in screen?  If the computer is running, why not be signed in?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 10:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Loss of Speech at Sign-in Screen after period of inactivity
 

Hi!

 

I am using Windows 10 and NVDA 2020.4.  Sometimes, after a period of time without any activity and when left at the sign-in screen, I lose speech from NVDA at the sign-in screen.  Generally, this happens after a period of inactivity lasting a day or more.  NVDA becomes totally sluggish; sputtering and not speaking the various fields on the sign-in screen as I tab around them.  This makes it impossible to sign-in; causing me to make a hard reboot.  After the reboot, speech at the sign-in screen is normal.

 

Why is this?  How can I prevent it?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: Amateur programmer, looking to create accessible programs

 

On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 12:33 PM, udit pandey wrote:
sir i have a question that is it necessary to take maths and science for become a programer
pls help me sir
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This is not an appropriate line of discussion for the NVDA group.  Also, all you have to do is check with your academic institutions that offer computer science degrees, whether associate, bachelors, or higher to know that math and science are core parts of the curriculum.

Please limit this sort of discussion to the Chat Subgroup, where you already have a topic going.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Amateur programmer, looking to create accessible programs

udit pandey
 

hi arnold sir ,
i can help you in testing you can send me your programs and i will tell you if they are fine after running on my system
sir i have a question that is it necessary to take maths and science for become a programer
pls help me sir


On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 at 21:20, Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@...> wrote:

Create programs that generate text on the screen, and not graphics, and you will have accessible programs for blind computer users.  This is especially true when the program operates in the Windows console and not in its GUI.  I have created and distributed many such games and they have been used worldwide by screen-reader users.  You can create such programs in virtually any programming language, including C#, C++, C, Python, and so on.  You can even enhance such programs by having them play wav sound files at various points, such as in games.


Rich De Steno
On 6/27/2021 10:27 AM, tim wrote:

You might want to join program-l@...

There are a few c++ and Microsoft vips.

On 6/26/2021 9:36 PM, arnoldsummerspbem@... wrote:
Hi,

I'm an amateur programmer who is sighted, but I am looking to create applications that are as accessible as possible. Are there any good resources for learning how to optimize one's programs for screen reader use? My particular focus would be NVDA, which is why I'm here. My strongest language is Python, though for various reasons I have been contemplating writing applications in C# and would prefer to use that. Naturally, I'm focusing on Windows environments for now. I am really at a loss trying to find developer guides for the purpose. I'm hoping to find suitable introductory material, but if I need to jump directly into documentation, I'll do that. I just don't know where to look, and I'm hoping that someone out there can provide some guidance. My ignorance of the subject matter is profound, but this is as good a time as any to educate myself, I guess.

Thanks!


Re: Loss of Speech at Sign-in Screen after period of inactivity

 

I have no answer for the why, but do have a possible suggested workaround.

If your computer is somewhere that only you have access to, or you feel certain that no one else will touch it, consider turning off the need to log in again upon awaking from sleep and see if that makes any difference.  Even if you don't choose to keep it this way, it would give you some diagnostic information.

Settings, Accounts, Sign in options, Require Sign In section, toggle for, If you've been away, when should Windows require you to sign in again?, set to Never as opposed to When PC wakes up from sleep.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Loss of Speech at Sign-in Screen after period of inactivity

Walter <walterzuiderwijk@...>
 

Do you use bluetooth?

Groet Walter

Op 27 jun. 2021 om 17:47 heeft Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> het volgende geschreven:



Hi!

 

I am using Windows 10 and NVDA 2020.4.  Sometimes, after a period of time without any activity and when left at the sign-in screen, I lose speech from NVDA at the sign-in screen.  Generally, this happens after a period of inactivity lasting a day or more.  NVDA becomes totally sluggish; sputtering and not speaking the various fields on the sign-in screen as I tab around them.  This makes it impossible to sign-in; causing me to make a hard reboot.  After the reboot, speech at the sign-in screen is normal.

 

Why is this?  How can I prevent it?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: Amateur programmer, looking to create accessible programs

Rich DeSteno
 

Create programs that generate text on the screen, and not graphics, and you will have accessible programs for blind computer users.  This is especially true when the program operates in the Windows console and not in its GUI.  I have created and distributed many such games and they have been used worldwide by screen-reader users.  You can create such programs in virtually any programming language, including C#, C++, C, Python, and so on.  You can even enhance such programs by having them play wav sound files at various points, such as in games.


Rich De Steno
On 6/27/2021 10:27 AM, tim wrote:

You might want to join program-l@...

There are a few c++ and Microsoft vips.

On 6/26/2021 9:36 PM, arnoldsummerspbem@... wrote:
Hi,

I'm an amateur programmer who is sighted, but I am looking to create applications that are as accessible as possible. Are there any good resources for learning how to optimize one's programs for screen reader use? My particular focus would be NVDA, which is why I'm here. My strongest language is Python, though for various reasons I have been contemplating writing applications in C# and would prefer to use that. Naturally, I'm focusing on Windows environments for now. I am really at a loss trying to find developer guides for the purpose. I'm hoping to find suitable introductory material, but if I need to jump directly into documentation, I'll do that. I just don't know where to look, and I'm hoping that someone out there can provide some guidance. My ignorance of the subject matter is profound, but this is as good a time as any to educate myself, I guess.

Thanks!


Loss of Speech at Sign-in Screen after period of inactivity

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I am using Windows 10 and NVDA 2020.4.  Sometimes, after a period of time without any activity and when left at the sign-in screen, I lose speech from NVDA at the sign-in screen.  Generally, this happens after a period of inactivity lasting a day or more.  NVDA becomes totally sluggish; sputtering and not speaking the various fields on the sign-in screen as I tab around them.  This makes it impossible to sign-in; causing me to make a hard reboot.  After the reboot, speech at the sign-in screen is normal.

 

Why is this?  How can I prevent it?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Installation of Windows 10 when you are blind

Walter <walterzuiderwijk@...>
 
Edited

when i do the install with narrator when the microsoft text appears i can press space to accept the match and when i give tab i get next i hit enter. Then I get the list with the different partitions that I can delete, I always delete everything and let windows create a complete partition. Then when the laptop has restarted and I see the text of the installation progress with my envision app, I press the windows key plus control plus enter again and I have the narrator back.
Kind regards and goed lak and sorry for my bad english I live in Holland
Verzonden vanuit Mail voor Windows 10


Groet Walter


Re: Amateur programmer, looking to create accessible programs

tim
 

You might want to join program-l@...

There are a few c++ and Microsoft vips.

On 6/26/2021 9:36 PM, arnoldsummerspbem@... wrote:
Hi,

I'm an amateur programmer who is sighted, but I am looking to create applications that are as accessible as possible. Are there any good resources for learning how to optimize one's programs for screen reader use? My particular focus would be NVDA, which is why I'm here. My strongest language is Python, though for various reasons I have been contemplating writing applications in C# and would prefer to use that. Naturally, I'm focusing on Windows environments for now. I am really at a loss trying to find developer guides for the purpose. I'm hoping to find suitable introductory material, but if I need to jump directly into documentation, I'll do that. I just don't know where to look, and I'm hoping that someone out there can provide some guidance. My ignorance of the subject matter is profound, but this is as good a time as any to educate myself, I guess.

Thanks!


Re: Amateur programmer, looking to create accessible programs

Luke Davis
 

Hello and welcome!

The first thing you might consider, is also joining the nvda-devel mailing list. https://groups.io/g/nvda-devel
There are more sighted programmers there than you are likely to find here, I think.

I'm not sighted, and I don't program for Windows except in Python; and on Linux/Unix I don't program for the GUI. So I probably can't help you much.

But one of the things you can probably do, is stick to known accessible user interfaces like WX, and avoid those known to be less accessible like QT.

Other than that, ask around with specific questions--is "X" a platform/framework/library that results in accessible apps?

Pay attention to any accessibility interfaces provided by whatever frameworks/libraries you do end up using.

And of course, find yourself some blind alpha testers.

Sadly, I don't know of any specific resources for this, but again it's not an area I have much researched. Simply put, if anything I was doing wasn't screen reader accessible, I wouldn't be doing it.

Luke

arnoldsummerspbem@... wrote:

I'm an amateur programmer who is sighted, but I am looking to create applications that are as accessible as possible. Are there any good resources for
learning how to optimize one's programs for screen reader use?


Amateur programmer, looking to create accessible programs

arnoldsummerspbem@...
 

Hi,

I'm an amateur programmer who is sighted, but I am looking to create applications that are as accessible as possible. Are there any good resources for learning how to optimize one's programs for screen reader use? My particular focus would be NVDA, which is why I'm here. My strongest language is Python, though for various reasons I have been contemplating writing applications in C# and would prefer to use that. Naturally, I'm focusing on Windows environments for now. I am really at a loss trying to find developer guides for the purpose. I'm hoping to find suitable introductory material, but if I need to jump directly into documentation, I'll do that. I just don't know where to look, and I'm hoping that someone out there can provide some guidance. My ignorance of the subject matter is profound, but this is as good a time as any to educate myself, I guess.

Thanks!


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

tim
 

Once it starts your talking and if it stops just start it again.

Done it many time and will be doing it again next on this laptop. Putting in new 1tb drive.


On 6/26/2021 2:27 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi there, were you able to do this whole thing without sighted supervision?  Did Nairator talk all the way through the installation? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Walter via groups.io
Sent: June 26, 2021 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Windows narrator works also when you reinstall windows 10 when you have labtop annd the microsoft text is on the screen, than you push the windos key +control key. When you use these keys windows narrator is talking to you. The priviust week I have dun that for my instalation of Windows 10 and I can tell you it works greatt. Becals I am blind.

Kind regarts Walter

 

Groet Walter

 

> Op 26 jun. 2021 om 17:58 heeft Hareth <hareth4m@...> het volgende geschreven:

>

> I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense  they

> announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just

> hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds

> after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.

> Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions  are

> accessible with narrator.

> Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

>> On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

>> if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android

>> phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or

>> android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point

>> your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and

>> someone will help you with the install.

>>

>>

>>

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>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Hi, it’s both. For myself and to help others.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: June 26, 2021 12:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

So are you asking if you need to help others or if you need to do it yourself one of these days?  While there is nothing wrong with asking such questions, I think that, at least from your standpoint, for correcting problems with your computer, it is much more important to know how to back up and restore your system.  That will allow you, if you need to, to restore your system just as it was before you had problems and you will have all your programs and settings as they were recently if you keep the backup current.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 2:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Geen I have no problems. I did have some minor ones. I fixed them myself. They did goaway. I would do a clean format as the last resort.  I did a windows repair and it was fixed. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: June 26, 2021 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Why do you want to start over in that way and is a reinstallation of Windows the best way to solve your problems?

 

I’m going into this not just for you, but because I see this repeatedly and often when people ask questions.  What problems are you trying to solve?  Repeatedly, I see people ask how to do something because they think it is the way or the best way to accomplish what they want and they don’t explain the problems or what they are trying to accomplish.  the result is either bad help or help that takes far longer than necessary to get to the proper points to discuss.  When people ask how to do something and don’t explain what the specific problems are they are trying to solve, we can’t address those problems.  We can answer the how question but we have no way of knowing or discussing if that is the way to solve a problem in the first place or if it  is the best way to solve the problem.

 

Could your problems be better solved by some sort of Windows repair, perhaps by running System File checker or something else?  None of this is being discussed where it might be if we knew the problems you are having.

 

If you do a completely clean installation of Windows, you must reinstall every program and set every setting you changed anywhere in the past for anything on your computer that you don’t access in the cloud.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Hi there, If you wipe the whole thing clean? Do you have to set it all back up as though you bought the computer brand new?  I know this sounds stupid. Do you have to set up all your Microsoft account?  Do you have to have a windows ten disk?  This computer came without one.  If I was to wipe my system Does this Acer computer or any other windows computers come with windows  already in them? I hope I asked the right questions. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: June 26, 2021 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense  they

announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just

hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds

after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.

Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions  are

accessible with narrator.

Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

> if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android

> phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or

> android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point

> your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and

> someone will help you with the install.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA crashes

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 06:26 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Thanks for telling us the font attributes; without looking at them letter by letter and requesting deep font information, the boldness, italicity, and underlinedness (underlineyness?) completely escaped me, and I suspect most others. :)
-
Serious response:  What is the "blind centric" method of creating emphasis in a text?  I realize that someone who's blind does not see bold, italic, or underline but I thought I had remembered something about the various synths doing something akin to what is done for capital letters where pitch goes up.

But even if you can't see the emphasis itself.  That's set on a line by itself which constitutes a paragraph of it's own.  And even though we beg those who've just subscribed to read through the welcome message, which includes the group rules, in its entirety just once, no one in group administration is foolish enough to believe that this request is honored by all new members.

But I don't know what we can do other than put this stuff in writing, and try to be as consistent as any two human beings can be about enforcement.  There's no way we can catch absolutely, positively, everything.  I also know that most of the group rules were not pulled out of the posteriors of those who put them together, but came about in response to situations that we'd like to avoid going forward.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA crashes

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

-It is.   The group rules have stated, in bold, italic, and underlined text for quite a while now:
Thanks for telling us the font attributes; without looking at them letter by letter and requesting deep font information, the boldness, italicity, and underlinedness (underlineyness?) completely escaped me, and I suspect most others. :)

Luke


Re: NVDA crashes

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 01:24 PM, Gene wrote:
Whether you would say that using Windows 7 itself makes the topic improper for discussion, I of course don’t know
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It is.   The group rules have stated, in bold, italic, and underlined text for quite a while now:

Unsupported versions of any software may only be discussed on the Chat Subgroup, not the main NVDA Group. 

Windows:  Only Windows 8.1 and currently supported versions of Windows 10.  Members should refer to the Windows Lifecycle Fact Sheet to determine which versions of Windows are currently supported.  Information about the dates on which specific versions of Windows 10 reached or will reach their end of service dates is listed there as well and will be updated as new versions are released. 

Note that it is acceptable to direct a user to the NVAccess or Microsoft sites where older versions can be downloaded, however, this is different than supporting a specific version of software or operating system.

NVDA:  NVDA has, at any given time, a single version under active support.  If a question arises about how to update to that version, and you’re on an earlier version, that will be permitted as transition problems can occasionally occur.

====
Windows 7 is out of support.  It no longer remains a long-term solid ecosystem under which to run anything in contact with cyberspace, and I don't know of anyone here who isn't doing email, web browsing, etc.  It's also virtually certain that sooner or later NVDA is no longer going to be compatible with Windows 7.

We have a venue where members who wish to have discussions regarding anything within the realm of civil discourse (and that includes Windows 7, or other out of support software) may do so with others who are potentially interested in engaging in same:  The Chat Subgroup.

NVDA Chat Subgroup Archive:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/chat/topics

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Gene
 

So are you asking if you need to help others or if you need to do it yourself one of these days?  While there is nothing wrong with asking such questions, I think that, at least from your standpoint, for correcting problems with your computer, it is much more important to know how to back up and restore your system.  That will allow you, if you need to, to restore your system just as it was before you had problems and you will have all your programs and settings as they were recently if you keep the backup current.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?
 

Geen I have no problems. I did have some minor ones. I fixed them myself. They did goaway. I would do a clean format as the last resort.  I did a windows repair and it was fixed. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: June 26, 2021 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Why do you want to start over in that way and is a reinstallation of Windows the best way to solve your problems?

 

I’m going into this not just for you, but because I see this repeatedly and often when people ask questions.  What problems are you trying to solve?  Repeatedly, I see people ask how to do something because they think it is the way or the best way to accomplish what they want and they don’t explain the problems or what they are trying to accomplish.  the result is either bad help or help that takes far longer than necessary to get to the proper points to discuss.  When people ask how to do something and don’t explain what the specific problems are they are trying to solve, we can’t address those problems.  We can answer the how question but we have no way of knowing or discussing if that is the way to solve a problem in the first place or if it  is the best way to solve the problem.

 

Could your problems be better solved by some sort of Windows repair, perhaps by running System File checker or something else?  None of this is being discussed where it might be if we knew the problems you are having.

 

If you do a completely clean installation of Windows, you must reinstall every program and set every setting you changed anywhere in the past for anything on your computer that you don’t access in the cloud.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Hi there, If you wipe the whole thing clean? Do you have to set it all back up as though you bought the computer brand new?  I know this sounds stupid. Do you have to set up all your Microsoft account?  Do you have to have a windows ten disk?  This computer came without one.  If I was to wipe my system Does this Acer computer or any other windows computers come with windows  already in them? I hope I asked the right questions. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: June 26, 2021 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense  they

announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just

hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds

after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.

Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions  are

accessible with narrator.

Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

> if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android

> phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or

> android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point

> your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and

> someone will help you with the install.

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Geen I have no problems. I did have some minor ones. I fixed them myself. They did goaway. I would do a clean format as the last resort.  I did a windows repair and it was fixed. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: June 26, 2021 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Why do you want to start over in that way and is a reinstallation of Windows the best way to solve your problems?

 

I’m going into this not just for you, but because I see this repeatedly and often when people ask questions.  What problems are you trying to solve?  Repeatedly, I see people ask how to do something because they think it is the way or the best way to accomplish what they want and they don’t explain the problems or what they are trying to accomplish.  the result is either bad help or help that takes far longer than necessary to get to the proper points to discuss.  When people ask how to do something and don’t explain what the specific problems are they are trying to solve, we can’t address those problems.  We can answer the how question but we have no way of knowing or discussing if that is the way to solve a problem in the first place or if it  is the best way to solve the problem.

 

Could your problems be better solved by some sort of Windows repair, perhaps by running System File checker or something else?  None of this is being discussed where it might be if we knew the problems you are having.

 

If you do a completely clean installation of Windows, you must reinstall every program and set every setting you changed anywhere in the past for anything on your computer that you don’t access in the cloud.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Hi there, If you wipe the whole thing clean? Do you have to set it all back up as though you bought the computer brand new?  I know this sounds stupid. Do you have to set up all your Microsoft account?  Do you have to have a windows ten disk?  This computer came without one.  If I was to wipe my system Does this Acer computer or any other windows computers come with windows  already in them? I hope I asked the right questions. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: June 26, 2021 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense  they

announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just

hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds

after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.

Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions  are

accessible with narrator.

Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

> if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android

> phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or

> android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point

> your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and

> someone will help you with the install.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Gene
 

Why do you want to start over in that way and is a reinstallation of Windows the best way to solve your problems?
 
I’m going into this not just for you, but because I see this repeatedly and often when people ask questions.  What problems are you trying to solve?  Repeatedly, I see people ask how to do something because they think it is the way or the best way to accomplish what they want and they don’t explain the problems or what they are trying to accomplish.  the result is either bad help or help that takes far longer than necessary to get to the proper points to discuss.  When people ask how to do something and don’t explain what the specific problems are they are trying to solve, we can’t address those problems.  We can answer the how question but we have no way of knowing or discussing if that is the way to solve a problem in the first place or if it  is the best way to solve the problem.
 
Could your problems be better solved by some sort of Windows repair, perhaps by running System File checker or something else?  None of this is being discussed where it might be if we knew the problems you are having.
 
If you do a completely clean installation of Windows, you must reinstall every program and set every setting you changed anywhere in the past for anything on your computer that you don’t access in the cloud.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?
 

Hi there, If you wipe the whole thing clean? Do you have to set it all back up as though you bought the computer brand new?  I know this sounds stupid. Do you have to set up all your Microsoft account?  Do you have to have a windows ten disk?  This computer came without one.  If I was to wipe my system Does this Acer computer or any other windows computers come with windows  already in them? I hope I asked the right questions. 

 

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From: Hareth
Sent: June 26, 2021 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

I've Done many actual clean installation of win10 sense  they

announced the narrator work at the initial installation process. just

hit the windows+ctrl+enter hotkey, and its good to go a few seconds

after the boot from the installation media boot up starts.

Even the page where we can wipe and format the partitions  are

accessible with narrator.

Never needed a sighted help with it sense.

On 6/26/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

> if you need help reinstalling windows10 and if you have either an android

> phone or an iPhone, you can use the free be my eyes app on an iPhone or

> android phone including samsung and all kinds of android phones to point

> your camera at the computer screen and call microsoft on be my eyes and

> someone will help you with the install.

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Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Thanks, if I wanted to get rid of this computer I’d follow your instructions and scrub it right clean. I’ll write this down for the future or if I want to help someone else who has windows ten.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Felix G.
Sent: June 26, 2021 12:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?

 

Hi,

in the context of a clean install, it won't just start the

installation after downloading. Downloading is performed with the

Media Creation Tool, which is the app Microsoft provides for creating

your installation media, which would usually be a flash drive. When

that has concluded, you can reboot from that flash drive to actually

install Windows, in the most extreme case repartitioning and

reformatting your hard drive beforehand, which is the way to delete

absolutely everything on the machine and get a super clean install if

that's indeed what you want.

Rebooting from your flash drive may be tricky and may require sighted

help depending on your UEFI.

Once booted, if the installer detects your sound card, it will give

you an audible welcome message as far as I remember. You may then

press ctrl+Windows+enter to start Narrator. If you don't hear

anything, your sound hardware might not have been detected. A solution

is to plug in a USB headset then try to start Narrator. Note that it

has to be a USB one as the installer comes with generic drivers for

that. For me this worked in three out of three cases.

Best,

Felix

 

Am Sa., 26. Juni 2021 um 00:05 Uhr schrieb Arlene <nedster66@...>:

> Hi, If Narator or NVDA talk while reinstalling windows ten. I think you should have a sighted person near you if it does stop talking.  Have a sighted person near by just to be safe.

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Afik Souffir

> Sent: June 25, 2021 3:38 AM

> To: NVDA Mailing List

> Subject: [nvda] clean install of windows 10

> Hi,

> Just want to be sure

> Is clean install of windows 10 – on the same laptop accessible for blind people? Maybe with NVDA or Narator?

> Thanks much,

> Help will be very appreciated.

> Afik

> נשלח מהאפליקציה 'דואר' עבור Windows 10

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