Re: Loss of Speech at Sign-in Screen after period of inactivity
Richard B. McDonald
Hi!
To clarify a few things brought up in the below, 1) the computer is set “never” to sleep and 2) there are no Bluetooth devices connected.
However, up until right now I had the screen set to “turn off” after one hour. Now, I set it to “never.” Might this have been the cause? Also, about leaving the screen on all the time, in the old days (with CRT monitors at least) we were told not to leave the screen on because the image would “burn” into it leaving a ghost on the screen. Is that still true with a modern monitor? I believe the monitor in question here is an LCD. Of course, for now I am putting aside the power consumption issues; as explained next.
This desktop PC in question here has several accounts on it. One of them is for my wife (sighted). She uses the computer daily for work. The computer is also acting as a “server” on our WiFi; sharing its “public” folder over that WiFi. I constantly access that folder over our WiFi via my laptop for data files, music and so on. In the past, I have had problems doing this if the computer went to sleep. I do know about the “wake on LAN” thing, but that never really solved these problems in a solid way. Seemingly, using a screen reader becomes unreliable in an environment involving WiFi networks and computers that sleep.
Thanks, Richard
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 1:48 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Loss of Speech at Sign-in Screen after period of inactivity
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 02:21 PM, Gene wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10
Walter <walterzuiderwijk@...>
Thankyou so much
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Groet Walter
Op 28 jun. 2021 om 19:54 heeft Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> het volgende geschreven:
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Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10
You can get your Windows version, on any machine running Windows, via the winver command. In the case of Windows 10 you just hit the Windows key, type winver, then hit enter. The dialog with the version and build information appears.
winver has been around as long as Windows has. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10
Walter <walterzuiderwijk@...>
good day, Went to work today, I looked for the version of Windows 10 but couldn't find it. Now that I'm home I remember that I can find it under info. The version of NVDA that did not work with word at my work was the latest update 2020.4. But I think you're starting to get it right about the network drive being protected. Because the NVDA version on the computer itself does it with word. It is still an older version of NVDA but that has to do with the fact that I can't update it due to admin rights. Kind regards Walter Verzonden vanuit Mail voor Windows 10 Groet Walter
Op 24 jun. 2021 om 15:56 heeft Walter via groups.io <walterzuiderwijk@...> het volgende geschreven:
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Re: accessible Password managers
Fawaz Abdul rahman
Hi, You can also use the password managers that come with the browser, I use the one in firefox, I know that there is one with chrome too. Other than that, there is bitwarden (open source) and 1password (paid), subscription-based. good luck.
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 5:45 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote: hi.
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Re: Issue With Thunderbird Line Navigation In 2021.1 Beta 5
Rosemarie Chavarria
It happens for a few lines and then stops.
On 6/28/2021 8:18 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: Issue With Thunderbird Line Navigation In 2021.1 Beta 5
Gene
But is this a new problem with the version Ron is asking about? And
does this just happen when you move for a few lines, then stop or does it happen
for an entire message?
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue With Thunderbird Line Navigation In 2021.1
Beta 5 Hi,
Ron, I don't have a problem with loss of speech but from time to time I hear "selected" or "unselected" when I'm trying to read a message line by line, Rosemarie On 6/28/2021 6:11 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote: > Hi Group, > > I do not have this issue using NVDA 2020.4 stable relese. However, I > am seeing this issue reported on other lists. With 2021 beta 5, people > are reporting that navigation line by line (with the up/down arrow > keys) renders no speech. Can anyone official or otherwise confirm > this issue? >
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Re: Issue With Thunderbird Line Navigation In 2021.1 Beta 5
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Ron,
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I don't have a problem with loss of speech but from time to time I hear "selected" or "unselected" when I'm trying to read a message line by line, Rosemarie
On 6/28/2021 6:11 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,
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Re: accessible Password managers
I've been using Password Safe (as have some of my clients) for years now along with its Android port (there's an iOS one, too) Passwd Safe.
Unless something's changed, and I have no visual evidence of that as it seems to have remained static as far as the UI goes for years, it's accessible. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: accessible Password managers
Life in Six Dots
Hi Cearbhall,
The most accessible Password Manager I've found is 1Password. It is accessible with most screen readers including NVDA. I've used it for some years now with JAWS, NVDA, VoiceOver (macOS and iOS), and more recently with Android and even Orca and eSpeakUp on Linux. Paul
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Re: accessible Password managers
hi.
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i think that keypass should be accessible with nvda screen reader. also, its opensource.
On 6/28/21, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:
Hi, --
By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali
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accessible Password managers
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Hi,
Are any password managers usable with NVDA?
I’m thinking of getting one to make my system more secure as I keep forgetting my passwords.
I’m running NVDA (latest) on windows 10 on the PC.
All the best,
Cearbhall
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Issue With Thunderbird Line Navigation In 2021.1 Beta 5
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
I do not have this issue using NVDA 2020.4 stable relese. However, I am seeing this issue reported on other lists. With 2021 beta 5, people are reporting that navigation line by line (with the up/down arrow keys) renders no speech. Can anyone official or otherwise confirm this issue? -- Signature: For a nation to admit it has done grevous wrongs and will strive to correct them for the betterment of all is no vice; For a nation to claim it has always been great, needs no improvement and to cling to its past achievements is no virtue!
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Welcome to the NVDA Community Add-ons website - Windows Magnifier
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nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration <nvda@...>
Windows Magnifier
This add-on improves the use of Windows Magnifier with NVDA. Features
SettingsThe setting panel of Windows Magnifier extension allows to configure how NVDA reacts to native Windows Magnifier commands. You may want to have more or less commands reported according to what you are able to see. This panel may be opened choosing Preferences -> Settings in the NVDA menu and then selecting the Windows Magnifier category in the Settings window. The keyboard shortcut NVDA+Windows+O then O also allows to open this settings panel directly. The panel contains the following options:
Commands added by this add-onIn addition to native Magnifier commands, this add-on provide additional commands that allow to control Magnifier's options without opening its configuration page. All the commands added to control Magnifier options are accessible through the Magnifier layer command NVDA+Windows+O:
There is no default direct gesture for each command, but you can attribute one normally in the input gesture dialog if you wish. The same way, You can also modify or delete the Magnifier layer access gesture (NVDA+Windows+O). Yet, you cannot modify the shortcut key of the Magnifier layer sub-commands. Magnifier's native commandsThe result of the following Magnifier native commands may be reported by this add-on, according to its configuration:
Here is also a list of other Magnifier native commands, just for information:
None of the Magnifier native commands can be modified. Notes
Change logVersion 1.0
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Re: Having trouble with outlook while using NVDA.
Naveen Kumar M
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 4:14 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Having trouble with outlook while using NVDA.
Hi Naveen,
I checked with Microsoft, and confirmed that this is a known issue. It has been fixed in Office 365, but not yet in Office 2019.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 7:59 PM Naveen Kumar M <naveen.m@...> wrote:
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Re: Is doing a completely clean install of windows 10 screen reader accessible?
Luke Davis
Arlene
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Many computers come with a recovery partition of some sort, or a factory reset partition. This is an area of the hard drive that you can boot from, that will let you restore the computer to the way it was when you bought it. Booting from that partition and using it will require sighted help--it usually involves pressing F12 while first turning the system on, and looking in the menu that comes up for some sort of recovery or factory reset sounding partition. There is another option. Windows itself can do a reset, in which it wipes all userdata and settings, and sets itself back to factory defaults. The latter has one good advantage: any upgrades you have done to Windows (like from 7 to 10) will be preserved. Oh, and it is accessible as far as I can remember from the last time I did it. Luke
On Jun 26, Arlene wrote:
Hi there, If you wipe the whole thing clean? Do you have to set it all back up as though you bought the computer brand new? I know this sounds stupid. Do
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Re: Amateur programmer, looking to create accessible programs
Sam Bushman
Hey Arnold,
I didn’t write before because others on this list are much more qualified than I am. However, since others didn’t focus on things I would mention I decided maybe my input would help as well.
When you write programs for the blind The following is way helpful:
If you use standard windows controls instead of custom controls screen readers have a much better ability to work well. If you provide several ways to accomplish things in the app it’s much more helpful. Meaning keyboard access to everything not just mouse access. If you use standard tool tips for help. If you make sure the tab key works well everywhere it’s much more helpful. Focusing on tab order in this case makes a huge difference. Making sure to use text labels for things when graphics are used it’s helpful. Meaning edit boxes with labels and other controls as well. Making sure screens have text not just graphics is huge. The more standard your windows screens are the easier it will be for us to use.
Some programmers actually have a setting in there software making much better access possible. A great example of this is the Jarte application – it’s a simple word processor.
I could say much more but these ideas should get you started.
Thanks for thinking of us.
The point was made but I agree, we can test and help if you like also.
Sam
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arnold Summers
Joseph,
Your message was helpful, particularly the mentions of API's and GUI toolkits. It gives me something concrete to look into in the way of actual code. You gave me a lot to think about. Thank you!
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 5:00 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
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Re: Webex Accessibility Regression
Thomas N. Chan
I am sorry to say when it comes to cisco, they are a bit slack when it comes to accessibility for screen readers. but, if you want to make certain interface to work, you must really knock their head and push your question to the top senior support before some info will be send to the developer of that particular interface. I really hope you got better experience than I do. Regards, Thomas N. Chan
On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 11:25 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 11:11 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
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Re: Amateur programmer, looking to create accessible programs
Arnold Summers <arnoldsummerspbem@...>
Joseph, Your message was helpful, particularly the mentions of API's and GUI toolkits. It gives me something concrete to look into in the way of actual code. You gave me a lot to think about. Thank you!
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 5:00 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
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Re: Amateur programmer, looking to create accessible programs
Hi all, As Luke and others pointed out, there are lists dedicated to programming, and in case of NVDA specifically, there is NVDA Development list. I think both lists are good, but that won't solve the issue the original poster is looking into, and you can indeed create accessible GUI-based applications (although counterintuitive, NVDA is an accessible GUI-based application if you think about it). What I'm going to write comes from my experience as a programmer who spent years working on screen readers and have been advocating for accessibility and usability (like Luke, I'm blind, although I was a low vision user until my early teens, which was early 2000's): As you may know, the first task of programming is looking for a problem to solve. The fact that you wish to write an app that is accessible is very notable, in that you may have found some issues you wish to solve by writing apps, along with looking at app design at the same time. So I'll assume you did your first task, so let's move onto design and accessibility aspects. Accessibility is about designing products so it is approachable by different audiences (the task of actually using such products with help from assistive tools falls under "usability"). The question to ask when designing products with accessibility in mind is, "what are limitations and workarounds specific audiences need, and how can the product help bridge the gap that might be present for audiences?" For people with disabilities, the question falls under limitations of specific disabilities and tools that can expose your product functionality to specific audiences; for blind people, the obvious choice is using tools to help folks "see" screen content i.e. screen readers, magnifiers, color contrast, and so on; for deaf communities, using text to convey sounds, sign language output and what not. Then you would look for a way to make programs expose needed information so audiences (users) can use your product effectively, and one common scenario is using accessibility API's to communicate information to users of assistive technologies. In GUI programming (something that's possible for blind people to do although with assistance if required), one would design data representation style (specific GUI controls for things such as text, forms, and many others). Although things may look colorful and intuitive for the majority (the term "majority" depends on language, country, and culture), without effort from humans and tools (along with mindset), the product would not be discoverable (wqord of mouth, review,s etc.), approachable (promotion, demos, etc.), and accessible (these three things must work together when accessibility is concerned, because people with disabilities are some of the most neglected communities when it comes to access to information (what I would term "information blackout"), although that is changing). So to enhance how the product is seen by people with disabilities and to make them accessible (and usable), API's such as Microsoft Active Accessibility, UI Automation, IAccessible2 were created to help programmers design products with accessibility and usability in mind. These API's consist of at least three parts:
A basic grasp of accessibility concepts is one of the steps involved in improving app accessibility (the first obvious step is understanding the culture the target audience comes from, a task you have accomplished well based on the original post). The next task is actually using assistive technologies and apps to better understand what folks are talking about. After that, it comes down to designing programs in a way that is accessible for diverse audiences such as adding labels for GUI controls and using accessibility API's to expose needed information (if using GUI toolkits, I recommend using ones known to have high accessibility marks such as wxWidgets and more recent versions of QT and WinUI/XAML). And don't forget to test your ideas with target audiences (testing, gathering feedback, etc.) early because it is more costly to "improve" accessibility later. Before I close, one thing you may wish to ponder: if you think carefully about it, NVDA and other screen reader friends are sophisticated data processors. Their job is to gather needed information for blind people with help from facilities provided by the operating system + accessibility API's + apps + standards, process gathered information in a way suitable for presentation through multiple channels (speech, braille, sound, etc.), and presenting information to users. That's the core of screen readers, and when folks talk about screen reader development, we are talking about refining these elements (supporting newer accessibility standards, dealing with apps with no control labels, support for text-to-speech engines and braille displays, keeping an eye on operating system changes, etc.). Of course folks can customize screen readers to their liking (settings, code, add-ons, etc.). at the same time, app accessibility and usablity falls upon the responsibility of app developers, made better when they collaborate with users (this is why I always ask users to send feedback to developers to point out possible accessibility improvements). Hope this helps a lot. Cheers, Joseph
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