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Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

 

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:57 AM, Walter wrote:
The version the computer is 2018 but I can not update this becals it is restrictet.
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Walter, this does not make sense, relative to what I asked for.  There was no Windows 10 with any version 2018.  And if you're talking NVDA 2018 with any dot after it then you must insist that it be updated.  NVDA 2018 is now years out of support.

The result of the winver command will be something like:  Windows 10 Version 21H1, Build 19043.1052
I cannot know what it will be, exactly, because the purpose of that command is to obtain the exact version and build numbers.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Walter <walterzuiderwijk@...>
 

The version the computer is 2018 but I can not update this becals it is restrictet.

Groet Walter

Op 28 jun. 2021 om 19:57 heeft Walter via groups.io <walterzuiderwijk@...> het volgende geschreven:

Thankyou so much

Groet Walter

Op 28 jun. 2021 om 19:54 heeft Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> het volgende geschreven:

You can get your Windows version, on any machine running Windows, via the winver command.  In the case of Windows 10 you just hit the Windows key, type winver, then hit enter.  The dialog with the version and build information appears.

winver has been around as long as Windows has.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


In-Process is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process blog is out.  This week, we've got news on NVDA 2021.1 Beta 5, Windows 11 and our Basic Training Sale.  Plus, a tip on using Web Apps which have their own keystrokes with NVDA.


Kind regards

Quentin.

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: changing release cycle of NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Good morning,

NVDA releases are not currently tied to Windows releases, so as and when Microsoft change their release cycle, it won't affect NVDA releases.  As we work on new releases of NVDA, we test these prerelease (alpha) releases on Windows Insider builds.  Windows Insider builds are similar to our Alphas, they are basically a prerelease version of Windows, so essentially by the time a given Windows update makes its way around to most consumers, we've already tested against it, and ideally, worked around any changes.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 1:09 AM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello. I have heard that Microsoft will go to a one a year release cycle
for Windows major releases. If this is true, how will this impact on
releases of our favorite screen reader?


Will this release cycle change from four a year to two or three releases
a year? It would make the life of developers easier if it were to go to
fewer releases. Just my thoughts.








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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Windows App Essentials (formerly Windows 10 App Essentials) 21.06.1 released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Yes, you are fine. Windows 10 App Essentials and Windows App Essentials are really the same add-on - renamed to provide experimental support for upcoming Windows 11. Details on how the add-on will support Windows 11 will be sent in July.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Gene
 

My question wasn’t clearly stated.  I should have said that I was interested in whether people experience noticeable delays with much newer machines than mine on typical web pages.
 
You might still object to the question but it wouldn’t have caused any confusion if I had stated it clearly.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information
 
I didn’t intentionally ignore the initial question nor was it my understanding that that was desired.  I was simply curious how people find general pages in terms of delays. 
 
Topics are expanded all the time.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information
 
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 05:23 PM, Gene wrote:
I’m discussing typical pages such as The new York Times home page which has about 104 links.
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So, Gene, you've chosen to ignore the exact context under which the topic started.  I have the same results as you do for virtually any "typical" page, and a NYT page is quite typical.  But that's not the context that was initially established nor being asked about.  That's critically important.

A "special circumstance" of a page characterized by a number of elements much, much higher than is typical was clearly specified as the area of problem and concern.  What happens in typical pages is not relevant to that question.
 
That's why I was thrilled when Giles Turnbull gave a direct link to a page that is akin to the one originally asked about (but appears to require login privileges to actually get to).  Try it on:  https://jeff.tdrealms.com/Described_Movies.md
That's a representative example of the sort of page being asked about.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

 

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Gene wrote:
Topics are expanded all the time.
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Indeed they are, but this wasn't an instance where it was at all helpful, nor was the information offered surprising to anyone in "the typical circumstance."

There are times, and this was one of them, where the context is critical.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Windows App Essentials (formerly Windows 10 App Essentials) 21.06.1 released #addonrelease

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  If we have the original Windows 10 app essentials, will that still be ok?  I know you indicated that the new one isn’t in add-on updater yet.
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Gene
 

I didn’t intentionally ignore the initial question nor was it my understanding that that was desired.  I was simply curious how people find general pages in terms of delays. 
 
Topics are expanded all the time.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information
 
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 05:23 PM, Gene wrote:
I’m discussing typical pages such as The new York Times home page which has about 104 links.
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So, Gene, you've chosen to ignore the exact context under which the topic started.  I have the same results as you do for virtually any "typical" page, and a NYT page is quite typical.  But that's not the context that was initially established nor being asked about.  That's critically important.

A "special circumstance" of a page characterized by a number of elements much, much higher than is typical was clearly specified as the area of problem and concern.  What happens in typical pages is not relevant to that question.
 
That's why I was thrilled when Giles Turnbull gave a direct link to a page that is akin to the one originally asked about (but appears to require login privileges to actually get to).  Try it on:  https://jeff.tdrealms.com/Described_Movies.md
That's a representative example of the sort of page being asked about.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

 

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 05:23 PM, Gene wrote:
I’m discussing typical pages such as The new York Times home page which has about 104 links. 
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So, Gene, you've chosen to ignore the exact context under which the topic started.  I have the same results as you do for virtually any "typical" page, and a NYT page is quite typical.  But that's not the context that was initially established nor being asked about.  That's critically important.

A "special circumstance" of a page characterized by a number of elements much, much higher than is typical was clearly specified as the area of problem and concern.  What happens in typical pages is not relevant to that question.
 
That's why I was thrilled when Giles Turnbull gave a direct link to a page that is akin to the one originally asked about (but appears to require login privileges to actually get to).  Try it on:  https://jeff.tdrealms.com/Described_Movies.md
That's a representative example of the sort of page being asked about.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Gene
 

I’m discussing typical pages such as The new York Times home page which has about 104 links.  I should correct my estimate for accuracy.  I checked just now and it took about one second to bring up the links list and something like one and one half seconds to bring up the headings list when I used the radio buttons to move to it.
 
I have no idea what people generally experience with newer machines.
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information
 
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 05:11 PM, Gene wrote:
When I open the links list, it takes about one and one half seconds for the list to open.
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On the page:  https://jeff.tdrealms.com/Described_Movies.md?

I've got machines that are fairly new, and fairly fast, and for a page like that, with over 4K links, it takes way more than a second or two for the Elements dialog to open.  As I noted on June 21st:  I just tested out the page Giles offered (for which I thank you) on my machine, an HP Envy 15 TS laptop with an i7-4700MQ processor, 16GB RAM, and an SSD, and it took NVDA about 8 seconds to present the Elements List for that page.  That's a definitely noticeable pause between hitting INS+F7 and the resulting dialog being presented.
 
I cannot imagine older hardware being faster, though stranger things have happened.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

 

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 05:11 PM, Gene wrote:
When I open the links list, it takes about one and one half seconds for the list to open.
-
On the page:  https://jeff.tdrealms.com/Described_Movies.md?

I've got machines that are fairly new, and fairly fast, and for a page like that, with over 4K links, it takes way more than a second or two for the Elements dialog to open.  As I noted on June 21st:  I just tested out the page Giles offered (for which I thank you) on my machine, an HP Envy 15 TS laptop with an i7-4700MQ processor, 16GB RAM, and an SSD, and it took NVDA about 8 seconds to present the Elements List for that page.  That's a definitely noticeable pause between hitting INS+F7 and the resulting dialog being presented.
 
I cannot imagine older hardware being faster, though stranger things have happened.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Gene
 

I can’t discuss what happens today when computers are faster than mine.  But my computer was a moderately fast machine for its time eleven years ago.  When I open the links list, it takes about one and one half seconds for the list to open.  If I shift tab and move to another radio button such as headings, it then takes perhaps three seconds for that list to appear. 
 
I am not making any assumptions about what other people experience.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information
 
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 04:48 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
I haven’t tried to access any other sites with something in the region of thousands of elements (links, headings, etc).
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That's because no actually "designed" rather than generated web pages would contain thousands of elements.  When I checked out that page, while the layout is perfectly readable, it goes on and on and on and on.  It appears that a database was dumped, wholesale, on to a single web page.  This is just not typical, at all.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

 

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 04:48 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
I haven’t tried to access any other sites with something in the region of thousands of elements (links, headings, etc). 
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That's because no actually "designed" rather than generated web pages would contain thousands of elements.  When I checked out that page, while the layout is perfectly readable, it goes on and on and on and on.  It appears that a database was dumped, wholesale, on to a single web page.  This is just not typical, at all.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of information

Louise Pfau
 

I haven’t tried to access any other sites with something in the region of thousands of elements (links, headings, etc).  It seems like there is a time lag in processing that amount of information while creating the elements list.  I don’t seem to have problems with smaller web pages.
 
Louise


Re: hyper v accessibility for general virtual machine use

 

Ok I'll redo that on chat later.


On 1/07/2021 6:47 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 02:36 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Brian you know full well I can't do that anymore due to me being a really stupid boy with my temper a couple years back.
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I had not recalled.  Then move it to the Chat Subgroup.  It's not an NVDA, JAWS, or Narrator question.  It's about whether or not a specific part of Windows 10 is accessible, the likely answers to which would be, "Yes," or, "No," in its entirety or "partially," and likely having nothing to do with the screen reader being used.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: hyper v accessibility for general virtual machine use

 

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 02:36 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Brian you know full well I can't do that anymore due to me being a really stupid boy with my temper a couple years back.
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I had not recalled.  Then move it to the Chat Subgroup.  It's not an NVDA, JAWS, or Narrator question.  It's about whether or not a specific part of Windows 10 is accessible, the likely answers to which would be, "Yes," or, "No," in its entirety or "partially," and likely having nothing to do with the screen reader being used.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: hyper v accessibility for general virtual machine use

 

Brian you know full well I can't do that anymore due to me being a really stupid boy with my temper a couple years back.

I've improved but I don't think anyone will let me back in now.



On 1/07/2021 6:31 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 01:43 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What is the accessibility of hyper v for virtual machine creation and usage in windows 10 pro and higher?
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This is really not, in any way, an NVDA related question, but one directly about Windows 10.  Anything screen reader related will be incidental, at best, and likely apply no matter what screen reader you might be using.

Directing this sort of question to the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group (without the backstory - it's unnecessary) will likely get you an answer far more rapidly.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: hyper v accessibility for general virtual machine use

 

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 01:43 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What is the accessibility of hyper v for virtual machine creation and usage in windows 10 pro and higher?
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This is really not, in any way, an NVDA related question, but one directly about Windows 10.  Anything screen reader related will be incidental, at best, and likely apply no matter what screen reader you might be using.

Directing this sort of question to the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group (without the backstory - it's unnecessary) will likely get you an answer far more rapidly.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


hyper v accessibility for general virtual machine use

 

Hi.

Note since I know users on hear include a particular user that managed to get me to get rid of a certain group to stop him pestering me about this only answer if you know exactly what I want.

If you think its going to be off topic on here answer off the list.

The question is simple enough.

Its got a backstory but I will put the question first.

What is the accessibility of hyper v for virtual machine creation and usage in windows 10 pro and higher?

Can you switch back and forth between a machine and the host system?

And what are the shortcut keys for it and wwhere do you find those.


Backstory follows.


In the year 2015 or there abouts, I started looking for a new system.

it wasn't till 2017 I got myself an hp duel drive laptop with an amd 2000 cpu and 16gb ram.

My plan was to use it for virtual machines so I have got all the virtual access stuff in bios activated.

I had heard for ages and ages about vmware and that it would be one of the best machines in which to realise my creative spirit.


It was accessible and I could use it.

I bought the new workstation 15 at the time paying 400 bucks for it, its a lot cheaper now but oh well.

My plan was of course to use it and be done with it.

I did use it on linux to fiddle with it and found it ok.

There were some issues though.

At least in the player I could not get edit fields to read like descriptions and the like and name fields.

The menus did work but not everything did.

In workstation I got menus working but not much else did.

As time went on I decided to test the enhanced keyboard feature out for linux to see what it did.

I did that.

One day I got the notification to get vmware workstation 16.

I did, however during install I neglected to check the box to update enhanced keyboard which I had previously installed.

Before the system was due to restart, I tried the program again, hoping things had changed but no luck.

On restart the keyboard stopped working.

In fact all keyboards just didn't work anymore.

If it hadn't been for sightling help I would have no choice but to reformat.

Luckily I had sightling help and ran a restore point I had created just before the upgrade.

Promptly after restoring I completely removed vmware from my system and as many leftovers as I could without entering the registry.

I then went to vmware's site to report the issue.

Firstly I was told to login with my vmware account which I had forgotten the password for and couldn't get it to reset.

Luckily I remembered and logged in. only to find that I would need a support contract.

There wasn't any other way to get in touch with vmware, so I had only 2 options.

I was just about mad enough to post all my vmware serials to a crack site I was that mad.

And to be honest if I could contact vmware I'd ask for a refund of both vmware versions since thats wasted cash.

But they can't be contacted so I did the only thing left to me.

I have deleted all coppies of vmware and all my licences and my login information which I don't want to remember and got out of vmware completely.

It was the start of covid 19 and I didn't want to have to reformat because of some buggy virtual machine software.

I have thought about virtualbox, but after my experience with vmware I am not sure if I will want to run an installed third party virtual machine again so maybe it would be portable.

However before I try that again, I want to see what windows own internal and hopefully fully compatible and less likely to screw up my configuration vm software is like which brings me back full circle.

What is hyper v like either as windows sandbox, what is it like hosting a linux distribution, and what is it like hosting a windows distribution.

Is it accessible like vmware is or is it better.

I don't want more issues but I feel a bit safer using a system which is part of the current os I have.

I always like pro and I always will have pro licences at the same time if its to much trouble then I won't bother.

At the same time, since covid has started jobs are a bit harder to get even online so if I can I'd like to get back to virtual machines again.

Obviously vmware is out of the question.

I want to get back to running windows 7, xp, 10, and linux of various types.

I also want to enter the insider program again.


The only way I can do it on this system at least is a virtual machine.

I have time to waste over winter a time when I usually have jobs.

I don't want to be inside during the hot summer months thats when I want to be outside.

But its freezing cold and I have the time and energy to work mmy guts out.

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