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code factory vocalizer and eloquince addon

Don H
 

Does anyone know when the atguys code factory nvda addon will be updated to work with the upcoming versions of NVDA?


Re: NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

Quentin Christensen
 

Rowen,

I was going to say we can't replicate your issue here, and was going to ask if you have rebooted.

We can't support illegal add-ons.  If you want Eloquence, please just buy the legal version: https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

(I believe their add-on has been updated, they may not have updated the site yet thought).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 9:47 PM Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:

HI, have you installed the IBM-TTS speech synthesizer? This add-on has released a version compatible with NVDA 2021.1, but I’m crashing here https://github.com/davidacm/NVDA-IBMTTS-Driver



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Re: NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

Rowen Cary
 

HI, have you installed the IBM-TTS speech synthesizer? This add-on has released a version compatible with NVDA 2021.1, but I’m crashing here https://github.com/davidacm/NVDA-IBMTTS-Driver


Re: NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

anthony borg
 

Hi Quentin

 

Today I installed the new version of NVDA 21.1rc2 and this time all the add-ons I have remained enable.

Best regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 05 July 2021 09:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

 

Hi everyone,

 

NVDA 2021.1 Release Candidate 2 (RC2) is now available for download & testing. We encourage all users to download this RC & provide feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2021.1 release. New features & download at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1rc2/


 

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Re: NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

Rui Fontes
 

Here, updated from RC1 to RC2 without any errors...

All add-ons working in RC1 still working in RC2...


Rui Fontes


Às 11:00 de 05/07/2021, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Thanks Rowan, I've shared this with the team, will advise what we find out.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 7:50 PM Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:

Hi, I suspect there is a major error in RC2. ctypes throws many errors. Many add-ons that are compatible in rc1 are completely unavailable in rc2. The above problem also occurred when updating from alpha-23249 to alpha-23278.

In addition, after updating to alpha23278, there will be an error dialog box prompting "Error registering focus winEvent hook".

There are many cdll.LoadLibrary errors in the log, But I don't have time to open an Issue now, hoping to attract the attention of others. Thanks.



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Re: NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Rowan, I've shared this with the team, will advise what we find out.


On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 7:50 PM Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:

Hi, I suspect there is a major error in RC2. ctypes throws many errors. Many add-ons that are compatible in rc1 are completely unavailable in rc2. The above problem also occurred when updating from alpha-23249 to alpha-23278.

In addition, after updating to alpha23278, there will be an error dialog box prompting "Error registering focus winEvent hook".

There are many cdll.LoadLibrary errors in the log, But I don't have time to open an Issue now, hoping to attract the attention of others. Thanks.



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Re: NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

Rowen Cary
 

Hi, I suspect there is a major error in RC2. ctypes throws many errors. Many add-ons that are compatible in rc1 are completely unavailable in rc2. The above problem also occurred when updating from alpha-23249 to alpha-23278.

In addition, after updating to alpha23278, there will be an error dialog box prompting "Error registering focus winEvent hook".

There are many cdll.LoadLibrary errors in the log, But I don't have time to open an Issue now, hoping to attract the attention of others. Thanks.


Re: NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

Quentin Christensen
 

Just to clarify the answer for the original poster - NVDA 2021.1 introduces a few changes such that add-ons which worked when 2020.4 was released won't work with 2021.1.  The authors will need to update and re-release them, and in something like 2/3 of add-ons this has already happened.  See the link Gene shared: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdacompat.en.html

We anticipate most add-ons should be updated and work by the time the final version comes out in a week or so, and most of the rest not long after that.  If you do have any add-ons which are listed as not compatible on that list, it's worth sending the add-on developer an email to check they are working on it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 7:13 PM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


If you want to use nvda 2021.1 when it comes out you will need to use add ons that are compatible with this version.


The following page should help you work out which ones are compatible with the newer version nvda 2021.1 If it says they are not then your older add ons will not work on this version.

the link to this page is https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdacompat.en.html


Gene nz


On 5/07/2021 9:05 pm, Ian Blackburn wrote:
What does it mean when it says that the release candidate breaks support for add-ons
Can I put the release candidate and then add all my add-ons back on again
Or can I not add any add-ons at all



On 5 Jul 2021, at 3:30 pm, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Hi everyone,

NVDA 2021.1 Release Candidate 2 (RC2) is now available for download & testing. We encourage all users to download this RC & provide feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2021.1 release. New features & download at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1rc2/


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Re: NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


If you want to use nvda 2021.1 when it comes out you will need to use add ons that are compatible with this version.


The following page should help you work out which ones are compatible with the newer version nvda 2021.1 If it says they are not then your older add ons will not work on this version.

the link to this page is https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdacompat.en.html


Gene nz


On 5/07/2021 9:05 pm, Ian Blackburn wrote:
What does it mean when it says that the release candidate breaks support for add-ons
Can I put the release candidate and then add all my add-ons back on again
Or can I not add any add-ons at all



On 5 Jul 2021, at 3:30 pm, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Hi everyone,

NVDA 2021.1 Release Candidate 2 (RC2) is now available for download & testing. We encourage all users to download this RC & provide feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2021.1 release. New features & download at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1rc2/


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Re: NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

Rowen Cary
 

I cannot update from rc1 to rc2, and the update went smoothly after I removed the add-ons available in rc1. Has anyone else encountered this situation?


Re: NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

Ian Blackburn
 

What does it mean when it says that the release candidate breaks support for add-ons
Can I put the release candidate and then add all my add-ons back on again
Or can I not add any add-ons at all



On 5 Jul 2021, at 3:30 pm, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Hi everyone,

NVDA 2021.1 Release Candidate 2 (RC2) is now available for download & testing. We encourage all users to download this RC & provide feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2021.1 release. New features & download at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1rc2/


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Training and Support Manager


Re: Status of Remote support addon

Jacob Kruger
 

Yes, I tweaked the manifest.ini to get it to render as active, but, it did seem to work when gave it a small test - didn't do much more than connect to the machine using the remote narwhal android client to test it, but, it worked.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
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On 2021-07-05 08:34 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Pasting the status from the addons Manager for remote support

Remote Support; Status: Incompatible; Version: 2.3; Author: Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...>, Christopher Toth <q@...>

On 7/4/2021 7:21 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

I myself gave the remote add-on a quick test on Friday afternoon, running under 2021.1 RC1, and, it worked fine?


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2021-07-04 01:13 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi,

I just tested the NVDA version 2021.1rc1today.
one quick question for you guys. Does the remote support add ons will be no longer supported once the stable is release?







NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

NVDA 2021.1 Release Candidate 2 (RC2) is now available for download & testing. We encourage all users to download this RC & provide feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2021.1 release. New features & download at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1rc2/


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Training and Support Manager


Re: Status of Remote support addon

Robert Mendoza
 

Pasting the status from the addons Manager for remote support

Remote Support; Status: Incompatible; Version: 2.3; Author: Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...>, Christopher Toth <q@...>

On 7/4/2021 7:21 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

I myself gave the remote add-on a quick test on Friday afternoon, running under 2021.1 RC1, and, it worked fine?


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2021-07-04 01:13 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi,

I just tested the NVDA version 2021.1rc1today.
one quick question for you guys. Does the remote support add ons will be no longer supported once the stable is release?







Re: cannot check boxes.

Gene
 

I wonder if these check boxes respond to the keyboard.


Also, I wonder why they are being used.  What makes them preferable, if they are to what are now standard check boxes?


Gene

On 7/4/2021 8:50 PM, Jackie wrote:
It would be nice if OCR could be taught to recognize these
checkboxes/radio buttons as such & also their state. Doesn't seem like
that should be all that hard w/AI & all that now.

On 7/4/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You disagreed with me. I responded and that’s how the discussion began. I
do ;pay attention and respond to what people say. You said this in your
initial disagreement:
“I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. While I agree it can be annoying to
find one's favorite browser does not "play well" with a given site, or that
one's favorite screen reader does not, that does not mean a site is
inaccessible.”

As I said, there is a difference between accessible and usable. And you
never defined accessible. You criticized my definition as being abstract.
Without a generally accepted and defined definition of accessibility, there
would be no standards for determining when a site is or isn’t accessible
which would pose all sorts of problems.

All I said was that the problem should be called to the attention of the
bank even if a work around is found. I said nothing about people needing or
not needing to use other browsers or screen-readers. I didn’t say everyone
who encounters any site they need to use a work around to access should
complain to the site. Nor am I saying that a site has to work properly with
every possible combination of programs. But a site like this, a banking
site, should be generally accessible.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2021 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cannot check boxes.

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 08:03 PM, Gene wrote:

I’m saying that, in a case like this, where a major site is not usable by
a widely used screen-reader and browser or class of browsers, that site is
not accessible.
-
And I have said nothing that contradicts that in regard to this specific
site from the outset.

For the love of heaven, Gene, please read, and respond to, what I have
actually written, with the entire context of an ongoing conversation being
used as the framework. I don't make additions to a topic like this that are
each meant to stand, independently, of all others.

My very first response was to take this up with customer support since the
only change had been to the website. The screen reader and browser were the
same as have been used with their site's prior iteration.

My second was advising the offering of the specific institution in question,
as it's really impossible to know whether anyone else may have found an
accessibility method that you (the generic you) didn't, somehow.

Talking about issues like this in the abstract is as close to a complete
waste of time as one can get. I could say, I can't access the subscription
management page for my local newspaper, and it would be entirely useless to
discuss unless I could give the exact URL, or say something like it's a
Gannett paper and uses their subscription system (as there are hundreds of
papers owned and run under the Gannett name and software).

I understand the abstract concepts regarding accessibility. They're just of
little use when discussing a specific situation and whether anyone may, or
may not, have discovered a workaround. Talking about issues with
accessibility without specifics makes trying to find a solution akin to
trying to nail jello to a tree.

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The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
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Re: cannot check boxes.

Jackie
 

It would be nice if OCR could be taught to recognize these
checkboxes/radio buttons as such & also their state. Doesn't seem like
that should be all that hard w/AI & all that now.

On 7/4/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You disagreed with me. I responded and that’s how the discussion began. I
do ;pay attention and respond to what people say. You said this in your
initial disagreement:
“I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. While I agree it can be annoying to
find one's favorite browser does not "play well" with a given site, or that
one's favorite screen reader does not, that does not mean a site is
inaccessible.”

As I said, there is a difference between accessible and usable. And you
never defined accessible. You criticized my definition as being abstract.
Without a generally accepted and defined definition of accessibility, there
would be no standards for determining when a site is or isn’t accessible
which would pose all sorts of problems.

All I said was that the problem should be called to the attention of the
bank even if a work around is found. I said nothing about people needing or
not needing to use other browsers or screen-readers. I didn’t say everyone
who encounters any site they need to use a work around to access should
complain to the site. Nor am I saying that a site has to work properly with
every possible combination of programs. But a site like this, a banking
site, should be generally accessible.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2021 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cannot check boxes.

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 08:03 PM, Gene wrote:

I’m saying that, in a case like this, where a major site is not usable by
a widely used screen-reader and browser or class of browsers, that site is
not accessible.
-
And I have said nothing that contradicts that in regard to this specific
site from the outset.

For the love of heaven, Gene, please read, and respond to, what I have
actually written, with the entire context of an ongoing conversation being
used as the framework. I don't make additions to a topic like this that are
each meant to stand, independently, of all others.

My very first response was to take this up with customer support since the
only change had been to the website. The screen reader and browser were the
same as have been used with their site's prior iteration.

My second was advising the offering of the specific institution in question,
as it's really impossible to know whether anyone else may have found an
accessibility method that you (the generic you) didn't, somehow.

Talking about issues like this in the abstract is as close to a complete
waste of time as one can get. I could say, I can't access the subscription
management page for my local newspaper, and it would be entirely useless to
discuss unless I could give the exact URL, or say something like it's a
Gannett paper and uses their subscription system (as there are hundreds of
papers owned and run under the Gannett name and software).

I understand the abstract concepts regarding accessibility. They're just of
little use when discussing a specific situation and whether anyone may, or
may not, have discovered a workaround. Talking about issues with
accessibility without specifics makes trying to find a solution akin to
trying to nail jello to a tree.

--

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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel








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Re: cannot check boxes.

Gene
 

You disagreed with me.  I responded and that’s how the discussion began.  I do ;pay attention and respond to what people say.  You said this in your initial disagreement:
“I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.  While I agree it can be annoying to find one's favorite browser does not "play well" with a given site, or that one's favorite screen reader does not, that does not mean a site is inaccessible.” 
 
As I said, there is a difference between accessible and usable.  And you never defined accessible.  You criticized my definition as being abstract.  Without a generally accepted and defined definition of accessibility, there would be no standards for determining when a site is or isn’t accessible which would pose all sorts of problems. 
 
All I said was that the problem should be called to the attention of the bank even if a work around is found.  I said nothing about people needing or not needing to use other browsers or screen-readers.  I didn’t say everyone who encounters any site they need to use a work around to access should complain to the site.  Nor am I saying that a site has to work properly with every possible combination of programs.  But a site like this, a banking site, should be generally accessible. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2021 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] cannot check boxes.
 
On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 08:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I’m saying that, in a case like this, where a major site is not usable by a widely used screen-reader and browser or class of browsers, that site is not accessible.
-
And I have said nothing that contradicts that in regard to this specific site from the outset.

For the love of heaven, Gene, please read, and respond to, what I have actually written, with the entire context of an ongoing conversation being used as the framework.  I don't make additions to a topic like this that are each meant to stand, independently, of all others.

My very first response was to take this up with customer support since the only change had been to the website.  The screen reader and browser were the same as have been used with their site's prior iteration.

My second was advising the offering of the specific institution in question, as it's really impossible to know whether anyone else may have found an accessibility method that you (the generic you) didn't, somehow.

Talking about issues like this in the abstract is as close to a complete waste of time as one can get.  I could say, I can't access the subscription management page for my local newspaper, and it would be entirely useless to discuss unless I could give the exact URL, or say something like it's a Gannett paper and uses their subscription system (as there are hundreds of papers owned and run under the Gannett name and software).

I understand the abstract concepts regarding accessibility.  They're just of little use when discussing a specific situation and whether anyone may, or may not, have discovered a workaround.  Talking about issues with accessibility without specifics makes trying to find a solution akin to trying to nail jello to a tree.
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: cannot check boxes.

 

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 08:14 PM, Jackie wrote:
The problem is that sometimes employers don't allow installation of
anything but their permitted apps, & if that combination doesn't work,
then the person involved is screwed, to use the polite & edited
version.

Jackie, I've been there, done that, got the T-shirt as far as jumping in as an advocate in this sort of situation.

An employer can legitimately decline to diverge from their IT department's set configuration provided they don't expect you to do the thing that standard configuration precludes.  But, if it's a part of your job function, if they try to take it away from you (and have not from others who are sighted) then one can, and should, complain loudly about workplace discrimination.  

But, the above being said, I really have found that the squeaky wheel gets the grease provided it isn't a wildly disruptive squeaky wheel.  I can't say that it's easy, because it's not, but it's far from impossible to get waivers with regard to technology that falls under the umbrella of reasonable accommodations.  And if you don't fight for it, it's definitely not going to happen.

One of the most miserable things about being "out of the mainstream" in virtually any way, blindness specifically here, is that you are constantly called upon to be an advocate for yourself not because people are malicious, but because they're entirely ignorant.  It's something you just can't get away from, and if you don't or won't do it, no one else is going to because they don't have a clue.
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: cannot check boxes.

 

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 08:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I’m saying that, in a case like this, where a major site is not usable by a widely used screen-reader and browser or class of browsers, that site is not accessible.
-
And I have said nothing that contradicts that in regard to this specific site from the outset.

For the love of heaven, Gene, please read, and respond to, what I have actually written, with the entire context of an ongoing conversation being used as the framework.  I don't make additions to a topic like this that are each meant to stand, independently, of all others.

My very first response was to take this up with customer support since the only change had been to the website.  The screen reader and browser were the same as have been used with their site's prior iteration.

My second was advising the offering of the specific institution in question, as it's really impossible to know whether anyone else may have found an accessibility method that you (the generic you) didn't, somehow.

Talking about issues like this in the abstract is as close to a complete waste of time as one can get.  I could say, I can't access the subscription management page for my local newspaper, and it would be entirely useless to discuss unless I could give the exact URL, or say something like it's a Gannett paper and uses their subscription system (as there are hundreds of papers owned and run under the Gannett name and software).

I understand the abstract concepts regarding accessibility.  They're just of little use when discussing a specific situation and whether anyone may, or may not, have discovered a workaround.  Talking about issues with accessibility without specifics makes trying to find a solution akin to trying to nail jello to a tree.
 
--

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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: cannot check boxes.

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Monte,

 

You could capture a debug log as you work through the page and share that privately with nvaccess and get their help in interpreting the log.

 

That way, you may get closer to a resolution.

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Monday, July 5, 2021 2:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cannot check boxes.

 

Hi, Brian,

Oh yes,  I had a lengthy session with customer service  with no joy and requested that the problem be forwarded to my branch manager and the IT person.

 

Thought  someone on the list might have some kind of keystroke combo  suggestion.

 

Still dancing in the dark,

 

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: July 4, 2021 2:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cannot check boxes.

 

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 04:16 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Recently, my  credit union  made some changes to the online banking experience.

-
Contact customer service and report this.  If you haven't changed NVDA, or Windows, and this is now occurring immediately after those changes then suspect the changes.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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