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Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

 

Hi,

A few months ago there was a discussion about unmaintained add-ons on add-ons list. The consensus is that it is really up to add-on authors to show responsibility, with an option for the community to take care of (maintain) an add-on after waiting on authors for a few months. The fact that one of the add-ons that I haven't maintained for a while just received an update from someone is an example of willingness by the community to keep an eye on unmaintained add-ons.

I expect policies about unmaintained add-ons might change in the future (won' t go into details because it is up to nV Access and add-ons community to communicate future activities0.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Initial Windows 11 experience with NVDA

 

Bob,

          Your post is triggering this message, but it is in no way aimed only at you:  Windows 11 and NVDA are not synonymous.  Windows 10 and NVDA are not synonymous.

           Discussions of what one may be finding with regard to Windows 11 really belongs on the Chat Subgroup.  I have been trying, for quite some time, to make the membership think about whether what they're discussing is NVDA, versus Windows, versus a given application program when it comes to shortcuts, settings, etc.  These things are different, completely different.   Windows and applications program shortcuts and settings are entirely screen-reader agnostic.  They are the same whether you're using NVDA or JAWS or Narrator.

            There is also a dedicated Groups.io Group, currently known as Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users, which is soon to undergo a name change, that is dedicated to all the post Windows 8.1 versions under current support.  That, or the Chat Subgroup, is where findings regarding the latest Windows operating system should be discussed at length.

             Given that Windows was developed as the intended 21H2 release to Windows 10, and rebranded by Microsoft very, very late in the game, it's unlikely that there will be any huge changes from an accessibility standpoint.

              Even discussions about new features and settings of Windows 11 is almost certain to be screen-reader agnostic.  The tweaks will be done with new Windows keyboard shortcuts.
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Re: Initial Windows 11 experience with NVDA

Bob Jutzi
 

Now this is a cool Windows 11 feature.  After doing a search, I found the affore mentioned settings are called Quick Settings which can be accessed using Windows-A.  You can either tab to a setting such as Volume and Enter to change, or edit and add Quick settings.

So far, NVDA handles this with no issue.


On 7/6/2021 5:10 PM, bob jutzi wrote:

I finally ended up diving into Windows 11; so far, NVDA seems to work quite well.  However, there's an additional list of icons before the start button, System Network State, System Volume State, System Clock, and Notifications; however, only each icon's current state is sspoken by NVDA.  Enter or double-mouse clicking does nothing.  Other than going into Settings, is there any way to change these controls or is this something for the next release as this is the first Windows 11 beta after all?






Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 04:53 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
I wish the ones that have not been updated for years would be removed and put onto another page
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I'd certainly separate out anything not compatible with 2020.X to its own category, if nothing else.  Anything not updated to be compatible after 2019.3 is really unlikely to be updated for 2021.1 unless someone were to pick up a long dropped torch.

There are definitely some things on that page that I have no recall of seeing on the Community Add-Ons page.

Whether it's this page or the Community Add-Ons page, I'd rather see the add-ons grouped by release up through which they're compatible and, where there are backward compatibility breaking releases, something noting that they're NOT compatible for earlier than that given release.

But, since there is only one NVDA release currently in support at any one moment in time, it makes no sense to me to mix in things that are, say, compatible up through 2019.3 (only) with the add-ons compatible with later releases.  And after a certain point I'd either remove an add-on or create an "out of support" section so that old add-ons are identified and, perhaps, someone might want to take over developing them again.  But anything in that section would be well known to be non-functional with current NVDA. 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Initial Windows 11 experience with NVDA

Bob Jutzi
 

I finally ended up diving into Windows 11; so far, NVDA seems to work quite well.  However, there's an additional list of icons before the start button, System Network State, System Volume State, System Clock, and Notifications; however, only each icon's current state is sspoken by NVDA.  Enter or double-mouse clicking does nothing.  Other than going into Settings, is there any way to change these controls or is this something for the next release as this is the first Windows 11 beta after all?




Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Tim


I wish the ones that have not been updated for years would be removed and put onto another page


Then again there are some add ons like that I wish some one would update to work with the latest release of nvda. The one that comes to mind is the for example tip of the day would help new users of nvda. and  guess there would be some others.


Gene nz

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On 7/07/2021 2:51 am, Tim M wrote:

Just looked at that page and surprized you got add ons over 5 years old never update still listed?

I can see all the confussion nice jumble mess.

On 7/6/2021 12:00 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Last modified timestamp is at the bottom of every page located on the community add-ons site, including the compatibility list.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

Tim M
 

Just looked at that page and surprized you got add ons over 5 years old never update still listed?

I can see all the confussion nice jumble mess.

On 7/6/2021 12:00 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Last modified timestamp is at the bottom of every page located on the community add-ons site, including the compatibility list.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Windows App Essentials (formerly Windows 10 App Essentials) 21.06.1 released #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

And now, if you happen to be using Add-on Updater, check for add-on updates. one of the many updates today is Windows App Essentials 21.06.1.

IMPORTANT REMINDER: support for Windows 11 via Windows App Essentials is EXPERIMENTAL. If you attempt to install Windows App Essentials 21.06.1 on Windows 11 (build 22000 preview), you will see a warning message about this. Also, Windows App Essentials 21.06.1 is the last version compatible with Windows 10 2004 9May 2020 Update).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


100 percent agree.

Especially if the add on will work with the new nvda 2021.1 release and beyond.

Gene nz


On 6/07/2021 3:56 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 11:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Quick follow-up: expect huge changes to compatible add-ons list within the next hour.
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It would make a lot of sense to include a "Last Updated" date-time stamp at the top of a page like this, too.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

 

Hi,

Last modified timestamp is at the bottom of every page located on the community add-ons site, including the compatibility list.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

 

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 11:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Quick follow-up: expect huge changes to compatible add-ons list within the next hour.
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It would make a lot of sense to include a "Last Updated" date-time stamp at the top of a page like this, too.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

 

Hi,

Quick follow-up: expect huge changes to compatible add-ons list within the next hour.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

 

Hi all,

Initial contact info came from add-on manifests. I have updated the compatible add-ons document to update status on some add-ons, including adding Tyler's address for Speech History add-on.

As for overall compatibility list document logistics and edits, it depends on how add-on authors deal with compatibility breaking changes - that is, we the add-ons community relies on information coming from add-on authors (by the way, I'm limited in what I can do with add-ons community as I just retired from the owner position on add-ons list).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: cannot check boxes.

Gene
 

the disagreement yesterday is an example where I discuss objections.  I tried to clarify what I had said when you sent objections.  I replied to specific objections. 


For example, you talked about how there are so many different combinations of  programs that they won't all work well with every screen-reader.  I clarified that I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about a site not being usable with a widely used screen-reader or a whole class of browsers such as with Chrome-based browsers. 


I still don't know what you were objecting to since every time I altered or clarified what I said, you never indicated that you thought I was addressing any objection you raised. 


In your last message, you said that I have problems with people on various lists.  I generally don't have problems and if someone objects to something I say I attempt to discuss the matter with them and we usually end up understanding the disagreement and either coming to an agreement or disagreeing but without rancor. 


I can't prove what I say.  Obviously, I can't reproduce years of list traffic to show how infrequently people object to my posts.  But anyone who wants to see how I respond is welcome to find out for themselves by raising objections.  I may agree or disagree, but I will discuss them and if a point is raised that I think may change my mind about something, I'll say that I'm considering it or that I have changed my mind about something. 


Of course, if objections are not on topic for the list, people should write me off list.  I will respond and discuss the matter(s) raised. 


Gene

On 7/5/2021 3:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 03:16 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to send me concrete examples, you said this, which didn’t address this point I made, etc. I’ll consider them.
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No, Gene, you don't and you won't.  I've been down this road on multiple occasions with in the past, too.  I am no longer wasting my breath or my effort.

Others are not responsible to go back and get you retrospective evidence for things that have been brought to your attention on multiple occasions.  Not our jobs.  We did what we thought we should when the situations presented themselves in the natural course of things.

You have been called out about this, and not only by me, on way more than one occasion and on several of the groups we both mutually haunt.  You just don't care to listen and your offers now ring entirely hollow.  I've done what I can, and with this I'm done.  I'm just going to have to learn to ignore you when the next rounds occur, and they will.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA 2021.1 RC2 available

Rowen Cary
 

Thanks everyone, these problems no longer exist after I restarted the computer. It seems to be a misunderstanding, I'm really sorry.


Re: CTRL + ALT + N no longer working - How do I fix this?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Since way back in the Windows 95 days, I used to use the keystroke Control + alt + N to run Notepad and now Notepad Plus Plus. for this reason, wen I install NVDA, I always choose not to create a shortcut and then afterward, I create one myself and give it a different hotkey. can't teach an old dog new tricks.


On 7/5/2021 6:07 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
There are a couple of reasons why this might happen.  Either your NVDA shortcut on the desktop has been deleted, or it's been edited so the control+alt+n shortcut key doesn't work (less likely accidentally).

So, first of all, can you get NVDA running?  If not, are you sure it's the shortcut that's not working, and not say, your speakers? (Just trying to cover all the bases here).

Assuming it's the shortcut, if you need to start NVDA, press the windows key, type NVDA, and press ENTER and that should just about always work.

1) With NVDA running, press WINDOWS+d to minimise everything and go to the desktop.
2) Press N to move to the first item on the desktop beginning with N.
3) If the first item isn't NVDA, keep pressing N until you get to NVDA.  If you get back to the first item without getting to NVDA, skip to the next instructions.

IF you didn't get to NVDA:
4) Press the windows key and type NVDA (don't press enter)
5) Press the applications key to open the context menu.
6) Activate "Open file location".  A File Explorer window opens with the focus on NVDA.
7) Press the applications key to open the context menu.
8) Press N until the focus is on "Send to".
9) Select "Desktop" and press ENTER.
10) Press WINDOWS+D to move to the desktop, and press N until you get to NVDA.

So, either way, now you should have an NVDA icon on the desktop and the focus should be on it.  Next, to add the shortcut back:

1) Press ALT+ENTER to open the properties for the shortcut.
2) Tab twice to "Shortcut key"
3) Press CONTROL+ALT+N.  This sequence should now appear in the shortcut key edit box.
4) Press ENTER to activate the OK button and close the properties dialog.
5) Press CONTROL+ALT+N.  NVDA should now start or restart.

Kind regards

Quentin.

3) If 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:08 AM anthony borg <anthonyborg001@...> wrote:

Hello

I have been noticing that the hot key control+ alt+ n, is no longer working, can somebody explain to me what I should do to be able to use it again please?

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony



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Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

 

Louise,

I just reviewed the Add-Ons Compatibility page, and there are a few Add-Ons where the developer is identified by name, but no e-mail address is given.  I would ask Quentin, or whoever is in charge of that page, to please reply to this message with regard to who should be contacted as maintainer of that page if someone knows the missing addresses.  I have no idea how one would submit an update.  One of the things I feel should be on any page like this is an entry, either at the top or bottom, that clearly identifies the point of contact for updates to that page.  My guess is there is someone who knows the missing email addresses, but perhaps not.

One of the add-ons where Tyler Spivey is the developer is missing his address, and I've added it in the list below, which are all the ones on the page I found without email information for the developers.  There is also one that lists Doug Lee as the developer and he has his own Contact & Support page, to which I've given the link, and maintains his own website as a whole, and I've given that link, too.

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Dual Voice

·         Compatible: Yes (external link                    NOTE:  The link is missing and needs to be included.

·         Contact: Seyed Mahmood Taghavi-Shahri

 

Lambda Add-On for NVDA

·         Compatible: No

·         Contact: Alberto Zanella, Ivan Novegil

 

mp3DirectCut

·         Compatible: No

·         Contact: Abdel, Rémy Ruiz, Abdellah Zineddine, Jean-François Colas

Newfon

·         Compatible: No

·         Contact: Sergey Shishmintzev

 

NV Speech Player.

·         Compatible: No

·         Contact: NV Access

 

Speech History

·         Compatible: No

·         Contact: Tyler Spivey, James Scholes 

         (Tyler’s address:   tspivey@...)

 

TeamTalk Classic

·         Compatible: Yes (not updated on the website)

·         Contact: Doug Lee with initial work by Tyler Spivey and others

Doug’s Contact and Support Information page

Doug’s Website: https://dlee.org/  

 

Time Zoner

·         Compatible: No

·         Contact: Munawar Bijani

 

 

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I just looked on the add-on compatibility status page, and there are some add-ons listed with no contact information associated with the name of the developer.  I’ve cross-referenced the list against my own list of installed add-ons to see which of the add-ons I have are currently compatible with NVDA 2021.1.  I’ll provide my list of installed add-ons upon request, so there is no clutter on the list.
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: CTRL + ALT + N no longer working - How do I fix this?

Quentin Christensen
 

There are a couple of reasons why this might happen.  Either your NVDA shortcut on the desktop has been deleted, or it's been edited so the control+alt+n shortcut key doesn't work (less likely accidentally).

So, first of all, can you get NVDA running?  If not, are you sure it's the shortcut that's not working, and not say, your speakers? (Just trying to cover all the bases here).

Assuming it's the shortcut, if you need to start NVDA, press the windows key, type NVDA, and press ENTER and that should just about always work.

1) With NVDA running, press WINDOWS+d to minimise everything and go to the desktop.
2) Press N to move to the first item on the desktop beginning with N.
3) If the first item isn't NVDA, keep pressing N until you get to NVDA.  If you get back to the first item without getting to NVDA, skip to the next instructions.

IF you didn't get to NVDA:
4) Press the windows key and type NVDA (don't press enter)
5) Press the applications key to open the context menu.
6) Activate "Open file location".  A File Explorer window opens with the focus on NVDA.
7) Press the applications key to open the context menu.
8) Press N until the focus is on "Send to".
9) Select "Desktop" and press ENTER.
10) Press WINDOWS+D to move to the desktop, and press N until you get to NVDA.

So, either way, now you should have an NVDA icon on the desktop and the focus should be on it.  Next, to add the shortcut back:

1) Press ALT+ENTER to open the properties for the shortcut.
2) Tab twice to "Shortcut key"
3) Press CONTROL+ALT+N.  This sequence should now appear in the shortcut key edit box.
4) Press ENTER to activate the OK button and close the properties dialog.
5) Press CONTROL+ALT+N.  NVDA should now start or restart.

Kind regards

Quentin.

3) If 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:08 AM anthony borg <anthonyborg001@...> wrote:

Hello

I have been noticing that the hot key control+ alt+ n, is no longer working, can somebody explain to me what I should do to be able to use it again please?

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


control L no longer works

Arlene
 

Hi, As I replied to Brian’s message. If you hit N on the desktop. If you create the hot key to start NVDA. If it doesn’t work. Then uninstall NVDA and reinstall it.  Try creating the hot key before uninstalling it. You do it as the last  option. That’s if the hot key doesn’t work after you create one.

 

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