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Re: Add-on Updater 21.07 #addonrelease

David Griffith
 

When I follow the link in this email I get

This site can’t be reached

events’s server IP address could not be found.

Web is working fine on other sites.

David G.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: 08 July 2021 06:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on Updater 21.07 #AddonRelease

 

Hello all,

Add-on Updater 21.07 is now available. As the name suggests, you can use Add-on Updater to update Add-on Updater.

 

Add-on Updater 21.07 is a major update. When it first appeared in 2018, Add-on Updater was designed to retrieve updates to add-ons hosted on community add-ons website. The mechanism involved downloading add-on update information from community add-ons website through a PHP file, which didn’t really check for NVDA compatibility information. Starting with version 21.07, Add-on Updater will use a much improved secondary source (a JSON file hosting add-on metadata) to check for NVDA compatibility before offering updates to add-ons you are using. The biggest difference is that this secondary source will also let Add-on Updater learn about new add-ons added to community add-ons website whenever they are published, which reduces add-on maintenance burden significantly (some add-on releases were dedicated to registering new add-ons for update checks; now all this will be done via JSON add-on metadata).

 

Another big change with Add-on Updater 21.07 is that, on Windows 10 and 11 (preview), you will receive a toast notification when add-on updates are available. Previously if add-on updates become available, a dialog may show up. Starting with this release, a toast advising you to open NVDA menu/Tools/Check for add-on updates will be shown when add-on authors release new updates.

 

Last but not least, sometimes add-on developers declare their add-ons as legacy because add-on features have become part of NVDA or for other reason. Previously if Add-on Updater detected legacy add-ons, a dialog will be shown at startup, but you had to use review cursor commands to read legacy add-ons list. Starting with this release, Add-on Updater will present legacy add-ons in a list view format, letting you review legacy add-on information more easily.

 

But that’s not all: there will come a time when you will be asked to uninstall Add-on Updater. More on that later. For now, please install Add-on Updater 21.07 (compatible with NVDA 2020.4 and later).

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Add-on Updater 21.07 #addonrelease

 

Hi,

As for that, I don't know.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.07 #addonrelease

 

So, we are finally getting close to including addon updater in core of nvda.

So when exactly will we get all this in the main program?



On 8/07/2021 5:49 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hello all,

Add-on Updater 21.07 is now available. As the name suggests, you can use Add-on Updater to update Add-on Updater.

 

Add-on Updater 21.07 is a major update. When it first appeared in 2018, Add-on Updater was designed to retrieve updates to add-ons hosted on community add-ons website. The mechanism involved downloading add-on update information from community add-ons website through a PHP file, which didn’t really check for NVDA compatibility information. Starting with version 21.07, Add-on Updater will use a much improved secondary source (a JSON file hosting add-on metadata) to check for NVDA compatibility before offering updates to add-ons you are using. The biggest difference is that this secondary source will also let Add-on Updater learn about new add-ons added to community add-ons website whenever they are published, which reduces add-on maintenance burden significantly (some add-on releases were dedicated to registering new add-ons for update checks; now all this will be done via JSON add-on metadata).

 

Another big change with Add-on Updater 21.07 is that, on Windows 10 and 11 (preview), you will receive a toast notification when add-on updates are available. Previously if add-on updates become available, a dialog may show up. Starting with this release, a toast advising you to open NVDA menu/Tools/Check for add-on updates will be shown when add-on authors release new updates.

 

Last but not least, sometimes add-on developers declare their add-ons as legacy because add-on features have become part of NVDA or for other reason. Previously if Add-on Updater detected legacy add-ons, a dialog will be shown at startup, but you had to use review cursor commands to read legacy add-ons list. Starting with this release, Add-on Updater will present legacy add-ons in a list view format, letting you review legacy add-on information more easily.

 

But that’s not all: there will come a time when you will be asked to uninstall Add-on Updater. More on that later. For now, please install Add-on Updater 21.07 (compatible with NVDA 2020.4 and later).

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Add-on Updater 21.07 #addonrelease

 

Hello all,

Add-on Updater 21.07 is now available. As the name suggests, you can use Add-on Updater to update Add-on Updater.

 

Add-on Updater 21.07 is a major update. When it first appeared in 2018, Add-on Updater was designed to retrieve updates to add-ons hosted on community add-ons website. The mechanism involved downloading add-on update information from community add-ons website through a PHP file, which didn’t really check for NVDA compatibility information. Starting with version 21.07, Add-on Updater will use a much improved secondary source (a JSON file hosting add-on metadata) to check for NVDA compatibility before offering updates to add-ons you are using. The biggest difference is that this secondary source will also let Add-on Updater learn about new add-ons added to community add-ons website whenever they are published, which reduces add-on maintenance burden significantly (some add-on releases were dedicated to registering new add-ons for update checks; now all this will be done via JSON add-on metadata).

 

Another big change with Add-on Updater 21.07 is that, on Windows 10 and 11 (preview), you will receive a toast notification when add-on updates are available. Previously if add-on updates become available, a dialog may show up. Starting with this release, a toast advising you to open NVDA menu/Tools/Check for add-on updates will be shown when add-on authors release new updates.

 

Last but not least, sometimes add-on developers declare their add-ons as legacy because add-on features have become part of NVDA or for other reason. Previously if Add-on Updater detected legacy add-ons, a dialog will be shown at startup, but you had to use review cursor commands to read legacy add-ons list. Starting with this release, Add-on Updater will present legacy add-ons in a list view format, letting you review legacy add-on information more easily.

 

But that’s not all: there will come a time when you will be asked to uninstall Add-on Updater. More on that later. For now, please install Add-on Updater 21.07 (compatible with NVDA 2020.4 and later).

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Translation Capability

Gene
 

There is a translation add-on.  These sorts of features, which aren’t related to the defined function of a screen-reader are usually found in add-ons. 
 
The official add-ons page is here:
 
Add-ons on this page have been inspected, tested, and approved by NVDA evaluators.  There are add-ons from other places and I’m not saying to use or not to use them, but since add-ons have the ability to do all sorts of things and can function as malware, you may want to be careful which unapproved ones you use.
 
the name of the translation add-on is Instant Translate.
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Translation Capability
 
Hi Group[,

I was told NVDA has language translation capability, but checking the
menus I was not able to spot it.
For instance, with a combination of keystrokes NVDA will translate a
language into another.
Does anyone know about this?
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Re: Initial Windows 11 experience with NVDA

g melconian <gmelconian619@...>
 

Thanks for all you do joseph. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 5:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Windows 11 experience with NVDA

 

Hi,

Hopefully to clarify more than one question (because I do see this on the mentioned Win10 Forum, which is undergoing a name change process at the moment):

I can assure you all that screen reader vendors and Microsoft are aware of user interface oddities. For example, there are UI label issues affecting major screen readers (Narrator included), details of which require explanation of the toolkit used to code UI elements (beyond the scope of this list, I'm afraid). I have published workarounds for NVDA users in the form of Windows App Essentials add-on development builds, but there are other issues to be discovered. Given prevalence of UI issues with current Windows 11 Insider Preview builds (namely how data is exposed to screen readers), I have advised Windows UI team to resolve issues as soon as possible.

My advice for Windows 11 discussion: follow Brian's advice. I will do everything I can to make sure screen reader users navigating Windows 11 are not forgotten and treated with respect, provided that I won't collapse due to a combination of graduate school prep anxiety and nightly debugging and debate sessions with Windows Insiders and Microsoft people. I can assure you that NVDA users will receive workarounds through Windows App Essentials add-on in the foreseeable future (this is one of those moments where I might just beg Microsoft to pay for graduate school or give grants to NV Access, but I feel that's too much; that's my feeling regarding current state of UI issues with Windows 11 preview, but I remain hopeful that things can be resolved by end of this year). Also, I said it before but I'm putting in all caps: SUPPORT FOR Windows 11 FROM NVDA IS EXPERIMENTAL AND THINGS CAN CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE, DO NOT USE Windows 11 PREVIEW RELEASE WITHOUT KEEPING BUGS IN MIND!

P.S. I know that folks rarely see me write the above in all caps, but please, please, please, remember the above warning.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Translation Capability

Quentin Christensen
 

NVDA add-ons download and have an ".nvda-addon" extension.  With NVDA running, once you launch that file it will prompt to install into NVDA.  Alternatively, once you've downloaded it, with NVDA running, press NVDA+n to open the menu, T for tools, then a to launch the add-on manager.  From there you can install new add-ons wherever you've downloaded them to.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:29 AM Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@...> wrote:
It's a downloadable file, But have no idea where to save it to work with NVDA.

On 7/7/21, Sascha Cowley via groups.io
<sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
> This functionality is available through the instantTranslate (
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/instantTranslate.en.html ) addon.
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Re: Translation Capability

 

It's a downloadable file, But have no idea where to save it to work with NVDA.

On 7/7/21, Sascha Cowley via groups.io
<sascha.camille@...> wrote:
This functionality is available through the instantTranslate (
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/instantTranslate.en.html ) addon.






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Re: Translation Capability

Sascha Cowley
 

This functionality is available through the instantTranslate addon.


Translation Capability

 

Hi Group[,

I was told NVDA has language translation capability, but checking the
menus I was not able to spot it.
For instance, with a combination of keystrokes NVDA will translate a
language into another.
Does anyone know about this?
--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified
Literary Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: nevzatadil@...
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader


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Re: Initial Windows 11 experience with NVDA

 

Hi,

Hopefully to clarify more than one question (because I do see this on the mentioned Win10 Forum, which is undergoing a name change process at the moment):

I can assure you all that screen reader vendors and Microsoft are aware of user interface oddities. For example, there are UI label issues affecting major screen readers (Narrator included), details of which require explanation of the toolkit used to code UI elements (beyond the scope of this list, I'm afraid). I have published workarounds for NVDA users in the form of Windows App Essentials add-on development builds, but there are other issues to be discovered. Given prevalence of UI issues with current Windows 11 Insider Preview builds (namely how data is exposed to screen readers), I have advised Windows UI team to resolve issues as soon as possible.

My advice for Windows 11 discussion: follow Brian's advice. I will do everything I can to make sure screen reader users navigating Windows 11 are not forgotten and treated with respect, provided that I won't collapse due to a combination of graduate school prep anxiety and nightly debugging and debate sessions with Windows Insiders and Microsoft people. I can assure you that NVDA users will receive workarounds through Windows App Essentials add-on in the foreseeable future (this is one of those moments where I might just beg Microsoft to pay for graduate school or give grants to NV Access, but I feel that's too much; that's my feeling regarding current state of UI issues with Windows 11 preview, but I remain hopeful that things can be resolved by end of this year). Also, I said it before but I'm putting in all caps: SUPPORT FOR Windows 11 FROM NVDA IS EXPERIMENTAL AND THINGS CAN CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE, DO NOT USE Windows 11 PREVIEW RELEASE WITHOUT KEEPING BUGS IN MIND!

P.S. I know that folks rarely see me write the above in all caps, but please, please, please, remember the above warning.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 08:25 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
I expect policies about unmaintained add-ons might change in the future
-
Well, I hope those changes might reflect consideration of the input here.  And I do mean consideration, not that each and every one of us who's offered an opinion will get what we want.

There seems to be a general consensus over time that how things are organized is "not organic" as far as what one would expect and that eases finding what one might be looking for in a somewhat natural/logical way.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

 

Hi,

A few months ago there was a discussion about unmaintained add-ons on add-ons list. The consensus is that it is really up to add-on authors to show responsibility, with an option for the community to take care of (maintain) an add-on after waiting on authors for a few months. The fact that one of the add-ons that I haven't maintained for a while just received an update from someone is an example of willingness by the community to keep an eye on unmaintained add-ons.

I expect policies about unmaintained add-ons might change in the future (won' t go into details because it is up to nV Access and add-ons community to communicate future activities0.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Initial Windows 11 experience with NVDA

 

Bob,

          Your post is triggering this message, but it is in no way aimed only at you:  Windows 11 and NVDA are not synonymous.  Windows 10 and NVDA are not synonymous.

           Discussions of what one may be finding with regard to Windows 11 really belongs on the Chat Subgroup.  I have been trying, for quite some time, to make the membership think about whether what they're discussing is NVDA, versus Windows, versus a given application program when it comes to shortcuts, settings, etc.  These things are different, completely different.   Windows and applications program shortcuts and settings are entirely screen-reader agnostic.  They are the same whether you're using NVDA or JAWS or Narrator.

            There is also a dedicated Groups.io Group, currently known as Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users, which is soon to undergo a name change, that is dedicated to all the post Windows 8.1 versions under current support.  That, or the Chat Subgroup, is where findings regarding the latest Windows operating system should be discussed at length.

             Given that Windows was developed as the intended 21H2 release to Windows 10, and rebranded by Microsoft very, very late in the game, it's unlikely that there will be any huge changes from an accessibility standpoint.

              Even discussions about new features and settings of Windows 11 is almost certain to be screen-reader agnostic.  The tweaks will be done with new Windows keyboard shortcuts.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Initial Windows 11 experience with NVDA

Bob Jutzi <jutzi@...>
 

Now this is a cool Windows 11 feature.  After doing a search, I found the affore mentioned settings are called Quick Settings which can be accessed using Windows-A.  You can either tab to a setting such as Volume and Enter to change, or edit and add Quick settings.

So far, NVDA handles this with no issue.


On 7/6/2021 5:10 PM, bob jutzi wrote:

I finally ended up diving into Windows 11; so far, NVDA seems to work quite well.  However, there's an additional list of icons before the start button, System Network State, System Volume State, System Clock, and Notifications; however, only each icon's current state is sspoken by NVDA.  Enter or double-mouse clicking does nothing.  Other than going into Settings, is there any way to change these controls or is this something for the next release as this is the first Windows 11 beta after all?






Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 04:53 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
I wish the ones that have not been updated for years would be removed and put onto another page
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I'd certainly separate out anything not compatible with 2020.X to its own category, if nothing else.  Anything not updated to be compatible after 2019.3 is really unlikely to be updated for 2021.1 unless someone were to pick up a long dropped torch.

There are definitely some things on that page that I have no recall of seeing on the Community Add-Ons page.

Whether it's this page or the Community Add-Ons page, I'd rather see the add-ons grouped by release up through which they're compatible and, where there are backward compatibility breaking releases, something noting that they're NOT compatible for earlier than that given release.

But, since there is only one NVDA release currently in support at any one moment in time, it makes no sense to me to mix in things that are, say, compatible up through 2019.3 (only) with the add-ons compatible with later releases.  And after a certain point I'd either remove an add-on or create an "out of support" section so that old add-ons are identified and, perhaps, someone might want to take over developing them again.  But anything in that section would be well known to be non-functional with current NVDA. 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Initial Windows 11 experience with NVDA

Bob Jutzi <jutzi@...>
 

I finally ended up diving into Windows 11; so far, NVDA seems to work quite well.  However, there's an additional list of icons before the start button, System Network State, System Volume State, System Clock, and Notifications; however, only each icon's current state is sspoken by NVDA.  Enter or double-mouse clicking does nothing.  Other than going into Settings, is there any way to change these controls or is this something for the next release as this is the first Windows 11 beta after all?




Re: Contacting add-on developers where no contact information is provided

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Tim


I wish the ones that have not been updated for years would be removed and put onto another page


Then again there are some add ons like that I wish some one would update to work with the latest release of nvda. The one that comes to mind is the for example tip of the day would help new users of nvda. and  guess there would be some others.


Gene nz

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On 7/07/2021 2:51 am, Tim M wrote:

Just looked at that page and surprized you got add ons over 5 years old never update still listed?

I can see all the confussion nice jumble mess.

On 7/6/2021 12:00 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Last modified timestamp is at the bottom of every page located on the community add-ons site, including the compatibility list.

Cheers,

Joseph

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