I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
*Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io
*Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
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As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected. I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
Gene
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*From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>
*Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.

I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
*Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io
*Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
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As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>
*Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.

Hi list,

Just in case some of you may not be aware, CF has already put up the
latest driver for their voices to support NVDA 2021.1.






.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 23:59, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 03:24 PM, Jonathan COHN wrote:

Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.

-
Moderator's Note:  No, my dear sir, but yours is, and it's belligerent as well, and I know which I find more offensive:  open belligerence.

Things have now been explained, but even before they were it's clear that someone has to learn how to deal with snark.  Snark as a way of expressing incredulity is common and appropriate at times.

I have no problem with heated disagreements on merit, and I also think that asking whether NVDA can run under Bootcamp is absolutely "about NVDA."  So this topic isn't about to be locked, at least not yet.

There's almost certain to be someone at some point in the future who wonders about how/whether NVDA can be run under Bootcamp on a Mac and this topic gives useful information in that regard.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

will the object enhancer from that dropbox site work with NVDA 2021.1 and above? 

On 10 Jul 2021, at 20:49, V Stuart Foote <vstuart.foote@...> wrote:

Folks,

So for a non-Intel x86 based M1 ARM instruction set Apple desktop or laptop, this currently will require Parallels and a not quite legal copy of the ARM 64 flavor of Windows 10 preview to run as a guest OS.

There will be no "Bootcamp" mode to support ARM 64 Windows running natively--so it has to be a hosted virtual machine.

For now options to Paralles do not exist, VM Ware's Fusion is not going to support the ARM 64 flavor of Windows -- until Microsoft clarifies the licensing situation. 

But, for a hosted ARM 64 flavor of Windows there is no reason to expect that NVDA would not function.

But Key mappings will be a challenge -- the mix of native macOS shortcuts & accelerators, nsAccessibility, and those shortcuts/accellerator allocated to the guest os, and finally any NVDA specific mappings.

Quite a bit to sort through. Your milage may vary (YMMV)  with your patience, good luck!

Stuart

I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 20:24, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:

Excuse me!!! But if you want to contribute why don't you contribute and not just be snarky. If you are able to get something done that others say is impossible, give a link to how it is done or describe it. Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.

On Jul 10, 2021, at 15:18, simon wheatcroft <andadaptdev@...> wrote:

Perhaps they would like to reach out to me then. As i have it running on a MBA with an M1 and a Mac mini with an M1.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 17:54, tim <z2004a1@...> wrote:

Then your the only one running it. Because no one on the mac lists can get it working because NVDA don't work on arm chips or arm versions of windows. Not even the NVDA programmers could get it working.

On 7/10/2021 2:31 AM, simon wheatcroft wrote:
Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:

hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn

On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka@...> wrote:



On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@... wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is

shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have

zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it

work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz

On Jul 10, 2021, at 15:18, simon wheatcroft <andadaptdev@...> wrote:

Perhaps they would like to reach out to me then. As i have it running on a MBA with an M1 and a Mac mini with an M1.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 17:54, tim <z2004a1@...> wrote:

Then your the only one running it. Because no one on the mac lists can get it working because NVDA don't work on arm chips or arm versions of windows. Not even the NVDA programmers could get it working.

On 7/10/2021 2:31 AM, simon wheatcroft wrote:
Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:

hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn

On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka@...> wrote:



On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@... wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is

shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have

zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it

work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz

On 10 Jul 2021, at 17:54, tim <z2004a1@...> wrote:

Then your the only one running it. Because no one on the mac lists can get it working because NVDA don't work on arm chips or arm versions of windows. Not even the NVDA programmers could get it working.

On 7/10/2021 2:31 AM, simon wheatcroft wrote:
Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:

hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn

On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka@...> wrote:



On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@... wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is

shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have

zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it

work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz

The bug only affected a small number of users using the 64bit version of firefox

 

But changing the  browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI parameter in about:config to false resolves the issue

 

 

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 10 July 2021 17:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

I never experienced any issue. I paused the updates briefly but then went back to the normal schedule/channel and everything ran fine. I think it may only have ffected those who have firefox profiles. Running 89.0.d with the latest NVDA plus a now ratehr old version of JFW with no problems.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: July 10, 2021 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

Yes, 89.0.2 resolves the issue

 

 

 

 

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: 10 July 2021 15:49
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

A few weeks back there was discussion that a Firefox update wasn't very

accessible in a few ways but that a fix would be coming. Has the new

Firefox with these fixes out by now? I just got a notice that a new

version is available and just want to know if I should go ahead and get

it or still wait a bit.

 

Thanks.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi shaun,
That's good to know. However, I don't have the sapi5 package to test it at the moment, so I will not see the new voices that have been added. I'd assume they added those new voices to their latest driver for NVDA as well?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

I just got the sapi update after reading this message.

A note, there are a lot of updated voices, so you will have to uninstall then reinstall all the voices that have updates after updating your eloquence and vocaliser sapi package.

Also please note that a lot of voices will become uninstalled after the updates but their names will remain in the registry.

To fix it appears all you need to do is uninstall all the voices that have updates, and reinstall all voices.

I wish there was some way to remove all the broken voices or to update all the voices but oh well, its taken me an hour and the voices are installed.

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they don't sound much different.

Its good to see a few more voices especially another one for australia.




On 9/07/2021 8:57 pm, Socheat wrote:

Hi list,

Just in case some of you may not be aware, CF has already put up the
latest driver for their voices to support NVDA 2021.1.






.

.

I never experienced any issue. I paused the updates briefly but then went back to the normal schedule/channel and everything ran fine. I think it may only have ffected those who have firefox profiles. Running 89.0.d with the latest NVDA plus a now ratehr old version of JFW with no problems.

Yes, 89.0.2 resolves the issue

A few weeks back there was discussion that a Firefox update wasn't very

accessible in a few ways but that a fix would be coming. Has the new

Firefox with these fixes out by now? I just got a notice that a new

version is available and just want to know if I should go ahead and get

it or still wait a bit.

Thanks.

Roger