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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Ian Blackburn
 

The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years

On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4
and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...

On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
*Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io
*Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected. I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>
*Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4
and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...

On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
*Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io
*Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>
*Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.


Re: Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Teddy Bear Cute
 

Ok thanks. Downloaded already. Hanks very much.

-----Mesej Asli-----
Daripada: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Bagi Pihak Socheat
Hantar: Saturday, 10 July, 2021 5:42 PM
Kepada: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subjek: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Hi
The latest addon can be found on there official website at https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teddy Bear Cute
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Where is the link?

-----Mesej Asli-----
Daripada: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Bagi Pihak Shaun Everiss
Hantar: Saturday, 10 July, 2021 4:24 PM
Kepada: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subjek: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

I just got the sapi update after reading this message.

A note, there are a lot of updated voices, so you will have to uninstall then reinstall all the voices that have updates after updating your eloquence and vocaliser sapi package.

Also please note that a lot of voices will become uninstalled after the updates but their names will remain in the registry.

To fix it appears all you need to do is uninstall all the voices that have updates, and reinstall all voices.

I wish there was some way to remove all the broken voices or to update all the voices but oh well, its taken me an hour and the voices are installed.

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they don't sound much different.

Its good to see a few more voices especially another one for australia.




On 9/07/2021 8:57 pm, Socheat wrote:
Hi list,

Just in case some of you may not be aware, CF has already put up the
latest driver for their voices to support NVDA 2021.1.






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Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

simon wheatcroft
 

Hi,

As we appear to have the green light of this not being off topic. Here is a rough outline of how you can get windows 10 insiders build working on an M1 under parallels.

You will need sighted assistance for this bit as parallels does not work with VO, but follow this guide to get up and running:

https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/22/run-windows-10-arm-m1-mac-apple-silicon-x64-x86-no-boot-camp-video/

Once running use narrator to download the latest version of NVDA.


This will give you a basic working install.

THings that will be missing:
1. The NVDA key as VO will grab it - i personally re-map the key above tab to insert. I do this under MacOS using:

https://ke-complex-modifications.pqrs.org

2. The other issue you may have is control+alt keyboard shortcuts not working. These will work under some apps for example, Microsoft Word and some Windows keyboard shortcuts. If this is enough for you then ignore this bit. If its not…

Download - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/906c31e4-d5ea-7988-cb39-7b688880d7cb

You will now need to create your own custom keyboard layout. You will need to remove all the alt-gr and control-alt mappings to get all your control-alt shortcuts working. 

Then once you have done this you build that version of the keyboard and select it. It builds it as an .exe and should then show up as a keyboard option once installed. Note you may need to remove the other keyboards at this point to get all shortcuts working.

You can follow this guide:

https://superuser.com/questions/592970/can-i-make-ctrlalt-not-act-like-altgr-on-windows

Ignore all the stuff about auto hotkey you are after the remapping with the keyboard layout creator.

I do have the keyboard layout as the .exe for a MBA with a US layout. If you require that instead of making it yourself let me know and i can send it through.

As a prior comment said it is these keymappings that take the real effort. But once that is done you have the keyboard layout forever. With Windows 11 just around the corner and it having ARM support this guide to get it working should hopefully, work on that too and be super useful for MacOS users.








On 10 Jul 2021, at 23:59, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 03:24 PM, Jonathan COHN wrote:
Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.
-
Moderator's Note:  No, my dear sir, but yours is, and it's belligerent as well, and I know which I find more offensive:  open belligerence.

Things have now been explained, but even before they were it's clear that someone has to learn how to deal with snark.  Snark as a way of expressing incredulity is common and appropriate at times.

I have no problem with heated disagreements on merit, and I also think that asking whether NVDA can run under Bootcamp is absolutely "about NVDA."  So this topic isn't about to be locked, at least not yet.

There's almost certain to be someone at some point in the future who wonders about how/whether NVDA can be run under Bootcamp on a Mac and this topic gives useful information in that regard.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

 

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 03:24 PM, Jonathan COHN wrote:
Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.
-
Moderator's Note:  No, my dear sir, but yours is, and it's belligerent as well, and I know which I find more offensive:  open belligerence.

Things have now been explained, but even before they were it's clear that someone has to learn how to deal with snark.  Snark as a way of expressing incredulity is common and appropriate at times.

I have no problem with heated disagreements on merit, and I also think that asking whether NVDA can run under Bootcamp is absolutely "about NVDA."  So this topic isn't about to be locked, at least not yet.

There's almost certain to be someone at some point in the future who wonders about how/whether NVDA can be run under Bootcamp on a Mac and this topic gives useful information in that regard.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: object enhancer addon

Rui Fontes
 

Yes,it works.


Rui Fontes


Às 18:01 de 10/07/2021, Josh Kennedy escreveu:

will the object enhancer from that dropbox site work with NVDA 2021.1 and above? 


About Thunderbird extension Quick Folder Key Navigation

Tony Malykh
 

Hi all,
There have been a number of threads recently regarding problems with Quick Folder Key Navigation extension for Thunderbird. I just ran into the problem on a brand new laptop, when this extension doesn't work at all without producing any error messages, and I spent some time investigating the cause, so I just wanted to let people know about what I found just in case anyone else runs into this problem again.
It turns out that McAfee  antivirus that was preinstalled on my laptop believes that this extension is a virus. Adding insult to injury this antivirus appears to be completely inaccessible with NVDA, so even though it shows an alert window, there is no way of knowing about that. As a result, the extension appears to be silently not working.
In order to fix this, you would need to uninstall McAfee antivirus (sighted help required) and reinstall the extension. This will also switch your computer to Windows Defender  antivirus, which doesn't seem to have a false positive on this extension.
Further diagnosis of any problems with this extension can be performed by checking any errors in Thunderbird error console (Menu>Tools>Developer Tools>Error Console). In my case I had the following error message on startup:
Error while loading
'jar:file:///C:/Users/tony/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/6tp5u0gh.default-release/extensions/keynav@...!/manifest.json' (NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED) Extension.jsm:570
This error is happening apparently because McAfee antivirus replaces extension file keynav@... with an empty file, and Thunderbird is not smart enough to at least alert user of such error.
HTH
--Tony


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

simon wheatcroft
 

Without going to far off topic…

The key mappings is the issue. You have to write your own keyboard layout and then compile it for the architecture. I have it for the MacBook Air keyboard layout. Happy to share but as in previous post trying not to go to far off topic. I just wanted to point out that it does work.




On 10 Jul 2021, at 20:49, V Stuart Foote <vstuart.foote@...> wrote:

Folks,

So for a non-Intel x86 based M1 ARM instruction set Apple desktop or laptop, this currently will require Parallels and a not quite legal copy of the ARM 64 flavor of Windows 10 preview to run as a guest OS.

There will be no "Bootcamp" mode to support ARM 64 Windows running natively--so it has to be a hosted virtual machine.

For now options to Paralles do not exist, VM Ware's Fusion is not going to support the ARM 64 flavor of Windows -- until Microsoft clarifies the licensing situation. 

But, for a hosted ARM 64 flavor of Windows there is no reason to expect that NVDA would not function.

But Key mappings will be a challenge -- the mix of native macOS shortcuts & accelerators, nsAccessibility, and those shortcuts/accellerator allocated to the guest os, and finally any NVDA specific mappings.

Quite a bit to sort through. Your milage may vary (YMMV)  with your patience, good luck!

Stuart


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

V Stuart Foote
 

Folks,

So for a non-Intel x86 based M1 ARM instruction set Apple desktop or laptop, this currently will require Parallels and a not quite legal copy of the ARM 64 flavor of Windows 10 preview to run as a guest OS.

There will be no "Bootcamp" mode to support ARM 64 Windows running natively--so it has to be a hosted virtual machine.

For now options to Paralles do not exist, VM Ware's Fusion is not going to support the ARM 64 flavor of Windows -- until Microsoft clarifies the licensing situation. 

But, for a hosted ARM 64 flavor of Windows there is no reason to expect that NVDA would not function.

But Key mappings will be a challenge -- the mix of native macOS shortcuts & accelerators, nsAccessibility, and those shortcuts/accellerator allocated to the guest os, and finally any NVDA specific mappings.

Quite a bit to sort through. Your milage may vary (YMMV)  with your patience, good luck!

Stuart


Re: sending a file through NVDA remote

Sarah k Alawami
 

You cannot send a file through remote. This last time we discussed this a few months ago.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

Hi,

I have successfully pushed my clipboard to someone's computer that I was controlling via NVDA remote, but now I want to send a file.

I went into remote and copied the link and send, and I don't know if it went, or if it did, where it went to on the other computer.

Thanks.

 

Glenn


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Micallef Michael at FITA
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

CAUTION: This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.

 

As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either. 

 

You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk. 

 

Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6. 


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

simon wheatcroft
 

HI Jonathon,

Apologies if you read it as snarky. I was suggesting they reach out to me o group as i did not see it as on topic. Aas it is certainly not a setup that i would assume is supported or indeed needs time dedicated to it right now.

So as in my previous post, if people are interested i would be happy to go off group and assist anyone getting it up and running.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 20:24, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:

Excuse me!!! But if you want to contribute why don't you contribute and not just be snarky. If you are able to get something done that others say is impossible, give a link to how it is done or describe it. Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.


On Jul 10, 2021, at 15:18, simon wheatcroft <andadaptdev@...> wrote:

Perhaps they would like to reach out to me then. As i have it running on a MBA with an M1 and a Mac mini with an M1.
On 10 Jul 2021, at 17:54, tim <z2004a1@...> wrote:
Then your the only one running it. Because no one on the mac lists can get it working because NVDA don't work on arm chips or arm versions of windows. Not even the NVDA programmers could get it working.



On 7/10/2021 2:31 AM, simon wheatcroft wrote:
Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.
On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:
hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn
On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka@...> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@... wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is
shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have
zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it
work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz





















Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

Jonathan COHN
 

Excuse me!!! But if you want to contribute why don't you contribute and not just be snarky. If you are able to get something done that others say is impossible, give a link to how it is done or describe it. Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.

On Jul 10, 2021, at 15:18, simon wheatcroft <andadaptdev@...> wrote:

Perhaps they would like to reach out to me then. As i have it running on a MBA with an M1 and a Mac mini with an M1.
On 10 Jul 2021, at 17:54, tim <z2004a1@...> wrote:

Then your the only one running it. Because no one on the mac lists can get it working because NVDA don't work on arm chips or arm versions of windows. Not even the NVDA programmers could get it working.



On 7/10/2021 2:31 AM, simon wheatcroft wrote:
Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.
On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:
hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn
On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka@...> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@... wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is
shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have
zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it
work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz

















Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

simon wheatcroft
 

Perhaps they would like to reach out to me then. As i have it running on a MBA with an M1 and a Mac mini with an M1.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 17:54, tim <z2004a1@...> wrote:

Then your the only one running it. Because no one on the mac lists can get it working because NVDA don't work on arm chips or arm versions of windows. Not even the NVDA programmers could get it working.



On 7/10/2021 2:31 AM, simon wheatcroft wrote:
Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.
On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:
hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn
On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka@...> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@... wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is
shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have
zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it
work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz














Re: sending a file through NVDA remote

Chris Mullins
 

 

Hi

You can’t send files via NVDA remote, you can only push/pull  text between connected machines.

 

Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 10 July 2021 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

Hi,

I have successfully pushed my clipboard to someone's computer that I was controlling via NVDA remote, but now I want to send a file.

I went into remote and copied the link and send, and I don't know if it went, or if it did, where it went to on the other computer.

Thanks.

 

Glenn

 


Re: nvda and Firefox?

 

Well I downloaded the 32 bit and will be staying on that for the moment.



On 11/07/2021 5:16 am, Chris via groups.io wrote:

The bug only affected a small number of users using the 64bit version of firefox

 

But changing the  browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI parameter in about:config to false resolves the issue

 

 

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 10 July 2021 17:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

I never experienced any issue. I paused the updates briefly but then went back to the normal schedule/channel and everything ran fine. I think it may only have ffected those who have firefox profiles. Running 89.0.d with the latest NVDA plus a now ratehr old version of JFW with no problems.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: July 10, 2021 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

Yes, 89.0.2 resolves the issue

 

 

 

 

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: 10 July 2021 15:49
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

A few weeks back there was discussion that a Firefox update wasn't very

accessible in a few ways but that a fix would be coming. Has the new

Firefox with these fixes out by now? I just got a notice that a new

version is available and just want to know if I should go ahead and get

it or still wait a bit.

 

Thanks.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

 

Yeah, there are ml I assume mobile voices and several others some of them may have been updated.

On 10/07/2021 9:47 pm, Socheat wrote:
Hi shaun,
That's good to know. However, I don't have the sapi5 package to test it at the moment, so I will not see the new voices that have been added. I'd assume they added those new voices to their latest driver for NVDA as well?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

I just got the sapi update after reading this message.

A note, there are a lot of updated voices, so you will have to uninstall then reinstall all the voices that have updates after updating your eloquence and vocaliser sapi package.

Also please note that a lot of voices will become uninstalled after the updates but their names will remain in the registry.

To fix it appears all you need to do is uninstall all the voices that have updates, and reinstall all voices.

I wish there was some way to remove all the broken voices or to update all the voices but oh well, its taken me an hour and the voices are installed.

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they don't sound much different.

Its good to see a few more voices especially another one for australia.




On 9/07/2021 8:57 pm, Socheat wrote:
Hi list,

Just in case some of you may not be aware, CF has already put up the
latest driver for their voices to support NVDA 2021.1.






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Re: nvda and Firefox?

Chris
 

The bug only affected a small number of users using the 64bit version of firefox

 

But changing the  browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI parameter in about:config to false resolves the issue

 

 

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 10 July 2021 17:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

I never experienced any issue. I paused the updates briefly but then went back to the normal schedule/channel and everything ran fine. I think it may only have ffected those who have firefox profiles. Running 89.0.d with the latest NVDA plus a now ratehr old version of JFW with no problems.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: July 10, 2021 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

Yes, 89.0.2 resolves the issue

 

 

 

 

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: 10 July 2021 15:49
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

A few weeks back there was discussion that a Firefox update wasn't very

accessible in a few ways but that a fix would be coming. Has the new

Firefox with these fixes out by now? I just got a notice that a new

version is available and just want to know if I should go ahead and get

it or still wait a bit.

 

Thanks.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


sending a file through NVDA remote

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi,
I have successfully pushed my clipboard to someone's computer that I was controlling via NVDA remote, but now I want to send a file.
I went into remote and copied the link and send, and I don't know if it went, or if it did, where it went to on the other computer.
Thanks.
 
Glenn


Re: object enhancer addon

Josh Kennedy
 

will the object enhancer from that dropbox site work with NVDA 2021.1 and above? 

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