I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 20:24, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:

Excuse me!!! But if you want to contribute why don't you contribute and not just be snarky. If you are able to get something done that others say is impossible, give a link to how it is done or describe it. Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.

On Jul 10, 2021, at 15:18, simon wheatcroft <andadaptdev@...> wrote:

Perhaps they would like to reach out to me then. As i have it running on a MBA with an M1 and a Mac mini with an M1.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 17:54, tim <z2004a1@...> wrote:

Then your the only one running it. Because no one on the mac lists can get it working because NVDA don't work on arm chips or arm versions of windows. Not even the NVDA programmers could get it working.

On 7/10/2021 2:31 AM, simon wheatcroft wrote:
Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:

hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn

On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka@...> wrote:



On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@... wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is

shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have

zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it

work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz

On Jul 10, 2021, at 15:18, simon wheatcroft <andadaptdev@...> wrote:

Perhaps they would like to reach out to me then. As i have it running on a MBA with an M1 and a Mac mini with an M1.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 17:54, tim <z2004a1@...> wrote:

Then your the only one running it. Because no one on the mac lists can get it working because NVDA don't work on arm chips or arm versions of windows. Not even the NVDA programmers could get it working.

On 7/10/2021 2:31 AM, simon wheatcroft wrote:
Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:

hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn

On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka@...> wrote:



On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@... wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is

shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have

zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it

work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz

On 10 Jul 2021, at 17:54, tim <z2004a1@...> wrote:

Then your the only one running it. Because no one on the mac lists can get it working because NVDA don't work on arm chips or arm versions of windows. Not even the NVDA programmers could get it working.

On 7/10/2021 2:31 AM, simon wheatcroft wrote:
Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:

hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn

On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka@...> wrote:



On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@... wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is

shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have

zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it

work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz

The bug only affected a small number of users using the 64bit version of firefox

 

But changing the  browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI parameter in about:config to false resolves the issue

 

 

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 10 July 2021 17:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

I never experienced any issue. I paused the updates briefly but then went back to the normal schedule/channel and everything ran fine. I think it may only have ffected those who have firefox profiles. Running 89.0.d with the latest NVDA plus a now ratehr old version of JFW with no problems.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: July 10, 2021 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

Yes, 89.0.2 resolves the issue

 

 

 

 

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: 10 July 2021 15:49
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] nvda and Firefox?

 

A few weeks back there was discussion that a Firefox update wasn't very

accessible in a few ways but that a fix would be coming. Has the new

Firefox with these fixes out by now? I just got a notice that a new

version is available and just want to know if I should go ahead and get

it or still wait a bit.

 

Thanks.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi shaun,
That's good to know. However, I don't have the sapi5 package to test it at the moment, so I will not see the new voices that have been added. I'd assume they added those new voices to their latest driver for NVDA as well?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

I just got the sapi update after reading this message.

A note, there are a lot of updated voices, so you will have to uninstall then reinstall all the voices that have updates after updating your eloquence and vocaliser sapi package.

Also please note that a lot of voices will become uninstalled after the updates but their names will remain in the registry.

To fix it appears all you need to do is uninstall all the voices that have updates, and reinstall all voices.

I wish there was some way to remove all the broken voices or to update all the voices but oh well, its taken me an hour and the voices are installed.

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they don't sound much different.

Its good to see a few more voices especially another one for australia.




On 9/07/2021 8:57 pm, Socheat wrote:

Hi list,

Just in case some of you may not be aware, CF has already put up the
latest driver for their voices to support NVDA 2021.1.






.

.

I never experienced any issue. I paused the updates briefly but then went back to the normal schedule/channel and everything ran fine. I think it may only have ffected those who have firefox profiles. Running 89.0.d with the latest NVDA plus a now ratehr old version of JFW with no problems.

Yes, 89.0.2 resolves the issue

A few weeks back there was discussion that a Firefox update wasn't very

accessible in a few ways but that a fix would be coming. Has the new

Firefox with these fixes out by now? I just got a notice that a new

version is available and just want to know if I should go ahead and get

it or still wait a bit.

Thanks.

Roger

Hi,

Just to jump in on the M1 comment. I have a new MacBook Air with the M1, i run the insiders build of windows 10 and use NVDA through that.

Works surprisingly well, i do have the base MacBook Air with 8Gb of RAM and the performance is surprising. So if you have more RAM to dedicate to the VM than i do the performance will be even better.

I do however, find the current performance acceptable.

On 10 Jul 2021, at 00:12, Jonathan COHN via groups.io <jonathan.c.cohn@...> wrote:

hello the latest mac book pro 13 inch has the M1 chip which you probably do not want based on your requirements. Every computer in my house is a macintosh and I would be glad to help you offlist in getting started with ,the Mac.
Jonathan Cohn

On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:

Just wanted to thank all of you for the responses. It has calmed my nerves greatly! From what I understand, this is the latest generation of MacBook Pro so I’m imagining it has the necessary hardware to run windows. If anything, maybe I’m in for a real treat and I’ll become a McIntosh fanboy after this experience. LOL. Thanks again guys

On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka@...> wrote:



On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0700
lukelistservs@... wrote:

I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is

shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising
considering we'll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for
which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time.

Visual Studio for Mac exists for some time now - see here
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/#vs_mac_table
I haven't used it myself but from various lists I gather it is more or
less accessible with VoiceOver

Sounds like we'll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have

zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge
and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding.

If you've never used Mac with VO before and it'll turn out you're indeed
required to use VS under Mac then it certainly would.

Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it

work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned
that the Mac doesn't have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that
there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on
just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that
will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely
appreciated.

I've been using Windows via \Bootcamp on my Mac for about a year without
much troubles with NVDA it was however an older model and more
importantly a desktop one.
If your Macbook is going to be an one of the recently released with an
M1 processor then you're out of luck since Windows cannot be made to run
on it natively for the time being and while virtualizing it appears to
be possible there is apparently a big lag with assistive technologies
when using it that way.
Also an external keyboard is certainly something which should be
considered since newest Mac models don't have a physical row of function
keys and while VoiceOver allows to emulate them it is impossible to do
under windows.

--
Regards
Lukasz

Yes, 89.0.2 resolves the issue

A few weeks back there was discussion that a Firefox update wasn't very

accessible in a few ways but that a fix would be coming. Has the new

Firefox with these fixes out by now? I just got a notice that a new

version is available and just want to know if I should go ahead and get

it or still wait a bit.

Thanks.

Roger

A few weeks back there was discussion that a Firefox update wasn't very

accessible in a few ways but that a fix would be coming. Has the new

Firefox with these fixes out by now? I just got a notice that a new

version is available and just want to know if I should go ahead and get

it or still wait a bit.

Thanks.

Roger

A few weeks back there was discussion that a Firefox update wasn't very
accessible in a few ways but that a fix would be coming. Has the new
Firefox with these fixes out by now? I just got a notice that a new
version is available and just want to know if I should go ahead and get
it or still wait a bit.

Thanks.

Roger

Or Multi Language!

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they

don't sound much different.