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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA
Roger Stewart
There are USB to serial adapters though
that will allow them to work if there were a driver for it.
Roger
On 7/11/2021 3:29 PM, Arlene wrote:
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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA
Arlene
Oh yes they were. That’s why Iam glad my dectalk express bit the dust. It was driven by a serial port. These newer computers do not have support for those kinds of things. That’s why I’m truly glad my dectalk express died. For that reason I do not want to go back to it as much as I liked it.
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From: Howard Traxler
Sent: July 11, 2021 9:11 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
Those old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port (RS232). I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet. If anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know, We could come to a deal.
Howard
On 7/11/2021 3:34 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote: > The deck talk that sounded the best was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was > On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@...> wrote: > > The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years > On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote: > > I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4 > and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it. > > Curtis Delzer > HS > K 6 V F O > Rialto, CA > > curtis@... > > On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: >> I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well. >> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA >> *Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda >> I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes. >> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io >> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01 >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda >> CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. >> As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected. I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either. >> You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk. >> Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect. >> Gene >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...> >> *Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM >> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda >> I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA
Arlene
Boy! I thought Dectalk was a thing of the past. I haven’t used it after my dectalk express bit the dust. It died 12 years ago. I haven’t used any dectalk synth since then. I’m glad its still around for those who like it. I don’t think I’ll go back to it.
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From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: July 11, 2021 1:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4 and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.
Curtis Delzer HS K 6 V F O Rialto, CA
curtis@...
On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: > I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if > one existed as well. > > *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef > Michael at FITA > *Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda > > I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a > hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never > heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk > of the venerable window-eyes. > > *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene > via groups.io > *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01 > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda > > CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email > Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you > recognise the sender and know the content is safe. > > As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that > sounds at all like what would be expected. I don’t know if it is > possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a > SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either. > > You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to > purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the > rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information > on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to > ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given > the interest in Dectalk. > > Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of > Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than > the Dectalk people expect. > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > > *From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...> > > *Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM > > *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > > *Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda > > I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I > prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6. > >
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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA
simon wheatcroft
Hi,
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I tested with an external keyboard and the control + alt behaviour persisted. I put it down to an issue within the ARM insiders build. The link i provided a few messages ago goes into depth about why windows has this feature now and that it can’t be turned off. As another data point, i have a Microsoft surface too running standard windows 10. The control + alt behaviour does not exist on that machine. I am sure there is an explenation to it all, but i found the keyboard layout creation tool solved it for the insiders build. I have my fingers crossed that in Windows 11 ARM edition there is no need for the remapping f keys.
On 11 Jul 2021, at 17:27, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Re: sending a file through NVDA remote
Richard Wells
You could certainly push a link from Dropbox or other file
transfer services. That is how I do it.
On 7/11/2021 3:58 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: sending a file through NVDA remote
Files, as in, text files, or an mp3 or png file, so only text and not files can be pushed through nvda remote.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of A.Mac via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 1:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote
what do you mean about files? On 10/07/2021 18:39, Chris Mullins wrote:
-- Thanks for your time in advance. 😎Later A.Mac [all out going mail is scanned by Avira]
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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA
Gene
I don’t see how you can try them with NVDA unless you find a way that NVDA
can drive the unit. You would need some sort of add-on for that to be
possible or for some sort of Dectalk driver that works with whatever external
unit you are using to be incorporated into NVDA as a speech option.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda Those
old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port
(RS232). I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet. If anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know, We could come to a deal. Howard On 7/11/2021 3:34 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote: > The deck talk that sounded the best was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was > On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@...> wrote: > > The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years > On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote: > > I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4 > and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it. > > Curtis Delzer > HS > K 6 V F O > Rialto, CA > > curtis@... > > On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: >> I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well. >> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA >> *Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda >> I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes. >> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io >> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01 >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda >> CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. >> As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected. I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either. >> You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk. >> Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect. >> Gene >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...> >> *Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM >> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda >> I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA
Roger Stewart
I have an old DecTalk unit as well. I just need a driver add-on for nvda to use it.
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Roger
On 7/11/2021 11:11 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Those old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port (RS232). I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet. If anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know, We could come to a deal.
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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA
Howard Traxler
Those old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port (RS232). I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet. If anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know, We could come to a deal.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Howard
On 7/11/2021 3:34 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote:
The deck talk that sounded the best was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was
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Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?
Jason White
I've used an external, PC-style USB keyboard with my Mac, but not
recently. I don't run Windows on the Mac, so I can't comment on
that issue. If I remember correctly, the Windows key was mapped to the
Command key, and the Alt key to the Option key, which is the
reverse of their placement on a proper Mac keyboard. If you were
running Windows (e.g., with Bootcamp or with virtualization), I
would expect the keys to function as on a Windows machine when
using an external keyboard.
On 8/7/21 6:29 pm,
lukelistservs@... wrote:
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Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?
David Griffith
Ah I did not know that about the current limitation of VMWare Fusion. Thanks for updating me. It is interesting parallels can support but not VMWare Fusion. I think I also remember other Mac Windows/NVDA users saying that if you can only get over the accessibility hurdle then parallels was the better product. David Griffith Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: simon wheatcroft
Sent: 11 July 2021 13:16 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?
Hi,
Unfortunately, VMWare currently does not support Apple Silicon. So parallels is the only way. Sighted assistance is only needed during the initial installation.
Of course with Windows 11 having ARM support all this may change in the not so distant future
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Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?
simon wheatcroft
Hi, Unfortunately, VMWare currently does not support Apple Silicon. So parallels is the only way. Sighted assistance is only needed during the initial installation. Of course with Windows 11 having ARM support all this may change in the not so distant future
On 11 Jul 2021, at 10:58, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:
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Re: Compatibility updates to the "Golden Cursor" add-on will not be provided
Rowen Cary
I am not the author of the plugin. If necessary, can we please on nvaccess to find a new maintainer?
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Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?
David Griffith
I don’t run Windows on a Mac nowadays leaving NVDA for my Windows machines but when I did a couple of years ago I was able to do this without sighted help. I hope that this is still the current situation. The key step then was to use VMWare Fusion rather than Parallels as your virtual machine client which allowed a Voiceover accessible installation of Windows as your Virtual Machine. Then, as you say, you can use Narrator to download NVDA or, in my case I simply used a portable version of NVDA to get me going. In terms of remapping keys I personally found this very easy using the free Sharp Keys utility under Windows and did not use any Mac utility, leaving keys under the Mac side untouched. For myself I also used this Sharp keys utility to remap the alt gr key to a right windows keys so I had left and right windows keys. I hope this accessible path to windows install on the Mac situation is still current but cannot check it or provide current step by step as I have abandoned using Windows under a Mac preferring to keep 2 machines. I found too many problems using virtual windows on the Mac side, particularly with hardware support for specialist devices. For example my EyePal Scanner would never work under Mac Virtual Windows and needed a real Windows machine to hook into.
David Griffith.
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From: simon wheatcroft
Sent: 11 July 2021 08:08 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?
Hi,
As we appear to have the green light of this not being off topic. Here is a rough outline of how you can get windows 10 insiders build working on an M1 under parallels.
You will need sighted assistance for this bit as parallels does not work with VO, but follow this guide to get up and running:
https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/22/run-windows-10-arm-m1-mac-apple-silicon-x64-x86-no-boot-camp-video/
Once running use narrator to download the latest version of NVDA.
This will give you a basic working install.
THings that will be missing: 1. The NVDA key as VO will grab it - i personally re-map the key above tab to insert. I do this under MacOS using:
https://ke-complex-modifications.pqrs.org
2. The other issue you may have is control+alt keyboard shortcuts not working. These will work under some apps for example, Microsoft Word and some Windows keyboard shortcuts. If this is enough for you then ignore this bit. If its not…
Download - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/906c31e4-d5ea-7988-cb39-7b688880d7cb
You will now need to create your own custom keyboard layout. You will need to remove all the alt-gr and control-alt mappings to get all your control-alt shortcuts working.
Then once you have done this you build that version of the keyboard and select it. It builds it as an .exe and should then show up as a keyboard option once installed. Note you may need to remove the other keyboards at this point to get all shortcuts working.
You can follow this guide:
https://superuser.com/questions/592970/can-i-make-ctrlalt-not-act-like-altgr-on-windows
Ignore all the stuff about auto hotkey you are after the remapping with the keyboard layout creator.
I do have the keyboard layout as the .exe for a MBA with a US layout. If you require that instead of making it yourself let me know and i can send it through.
As a prior comment said it is these keymappings that take the real effort. But once that is done you have the keyboard layout forever. With Windows 11 just around the corner and it having ARM support this guide to get it working should hopefully, work on that too and be super useful for MacOS users.
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Re: Compatibility updates to the "Golden Cursor" add-on will not be provided
David Griffith
I checked the addon compatibility page and it is still listed as incompatible. Have you submitted your revised compatible version? It would be kind if you did I think for many users although I have not used it myself. David Griffith
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From: Rowen Cary
Sent: 10 July 2021 12:31 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Compatibility updates to the "Golden Cursor" add-on will not be provided
To make it compatible with 2021.1 only need to change the addon compatibility flag, I did this and it worked well.
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Re: sending a file through NVDA remote
Chris Mullins
Hi If you look at the message I was responding to, you will see that someone was trying to move a file between machines via the clipboard and NVDA Remote. You can use the clipboard to move files around on your local machine but the “Push text” feature of NVDA Remote is just for text not file links. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Cheers Chris
From: A.Mac via groups.io
Sent: 11 July 2021 09:51 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote
what do you mean about files? On 10/07/2021 18:39, Chris Mullins wrote:
-- Thanks for your time in advance. 😎Later A.Mac [all out going mail is scanned by Avira]
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Re: sending a file through NVDA remote
Gene
I haven’t used remote connection but this appears to mean that you can
exchange text, written material, but not files. You can exchange text, but
not a file containing text.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: A.Mac via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA
remote what do you mean about files? On 10/07/2021 18:39, Chris Mullins wrote:
-- Thanks for your time in advance. 😎 Later A.Mac [all out going mail is scanned by Avira]
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Re: sending a file through NVDA remote
A.Mac
what do you mean about files? On 10/07/2021 18:39, Chris Mullins
wrote:
-- Thanks for your time in advance. 😎 Later A.Mac [all out going mail is scanned by Avira]
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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA
Ian Blackburn
The deck talk that sounded the best was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was
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On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@...> wrote:
The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote: I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4 and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it. Curtis Delzer HS K 6 V F O Rialto, CA curtis@... On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA
Ian Blackburn
The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:
I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4 and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it. Curtis Delzer HS K 6 V F O Rialto, CA curtis@... On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
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