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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Howard Traxler
 

Those old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port (RS232).  I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet.  If anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know,  We could come to a deal.

Howard

On 7/11/2021 3:34 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote:
The deck talk that sounded the best was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was
On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@...> wrote:

The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years
On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4
and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...

On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
*Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io
*Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected. I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>
*Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.














Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

Jason White
 

I've used an external, PC-style USB keyboard with my Mac, but not recently. I don't run Windows on the Mac, so I can't comment on that issue.

If I remember correctly, the Windows key was mapped to the Command key, and the Alt key to the Option key, which is the reverse of their placement on a proper Mac keyboard. If you were running Windows (e.g., with Bootcamp or with virtualization), I would expect the keys to function as on a Windows machine when using an external keyboard.

On 8/7/21 6:29 pm, lukelistservs@... wrote:

Hi,

I consulted Google before sending this but I only came across this situation for NVDA testing purposes so I don’t want to presume that information also applies to the end user experience. I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising considering we’ll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time. Sounds like we’ll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding. Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned that the Mac doesn’t have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely appreciated. I’ve already resigned from my current company and will be starting the new job in two weeks so I’m kind of freaking out right now, Ha.

 

Thank you,

Luke

 


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

David Griffith
 

 

Ah I did not know that about the current limitation of VMWare Fusion.

Thanks for updating me.

It is interesting parallels  can support but not VMWare Fusion.

I think I also remember other Mac Windows/NVDA users saying that if you can only get over the accessibility hurdle then parallels was the better product.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: simon wheatcroft
Sent: 11 July 2021 13:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

 

Hi,

 

Unfortunately, VMWare currently does not support Apple Silicon. So parallels is the only way. Sighted assistance is only needed during the initial installation.

 

Of course with Windows 11 having ARM support all this may change in the not so distant future



On 11 Jul 2021, at 10:58, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:



I don’t run Windows on a Mac nowadays leaving NVDA for my Windows machines but when I did  a couple of years ago I was able to do this without sighted help. I hope that this is still the current situation.

The key  step then was to use VMWare Fusion rather than Parallels as your  virtual machine client which allowed a Voiceover accessible installation of Windows as  your Virtual Machine.

Then, as you say, you can use Narrator to download NVDA or, in my case I simply used a portable version of NVDA to get me going.

In terms of remapping keys I personally found this very easy using the free Sharp  Keys utility under Windows and did not use any Mac utility, leaving keys under the Mac side untouched.

For myself I also used this Sharp keys utility to remap the alt gr key to a right windows keys so I had left and right windows keys.

I hope this accessible path to windows install on the Mac situation is still current but cannot check it or provide current step by step as I have abandoned using Windows under a Mac preferring to keep 2 machines. I found too many problems using virtual windows on the Mac side, particularly with hardware support for specialist devices. For example my EyePal Scanner would never work under Mac Virtual Windows and needed a real Windows machine to hook into.

 

David Griffith.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: simon wheatcroft
Sent: 11 July 2021 08:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

 

Hi,

 

As we appear to have the green light of this not being off topic. Here is a rough outline of how you can get windows 10 insiders build working on an M1 under parallels.

 

You will need sighted assistance for this bit as parallels does not work with VO, but follow this guide to get up and running:

 

https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/22/run-windows-10-arm-m1-mac-apple-silicon-x64-x86-no-boot-camp-video/

 

Once running use narrator to download the latest version of NVDA.

 

 

This will give you a basic working install.

 

THings that will be missing:

1. The NVDA key as VO will grab it - i personally re-map the key above tab to insert. I do this under MacOS using:

 

https://ke-complex-modifications.pqrs.org

 

2. The other issue you may have is control+alt keyboard shortcuts not working. These will work under some apps for example, Microsoft Word and some Windows keyboard shortcuts. If this is enough for you then ignore this bit. If its not…

 

Download - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/906c31e4-d5ea-7988-cb39-7b688880d7cb

 

You will now need to create your own custom keyboard layout. You will need to remove all the alt-gr and control-alt mappings to get all your control-alt shortcuts working. 

 

Then once you have done this you build that version of the keyboard and select it. It builds it as an .exe and should then show up as a keyboard option once installed. Note you may need to remove the other keyboards at this point to get all shortcuts working.

 

You can follow this guide:

 

https://superuser.com/questions/592970/can-i-make-ctrlalt-not-act-like-altgr-on-windows

 

Ignore all the stuff about auto hotkey you are after the remapping with the keyboard layout creator.

 

I do have the keyboard layout as the .exe for a MBA with a US layout. If you require that instead of making it yourself let me know and i can send it through.

 

As a prior comment said it is these keymappings that take the real effort. But once that is done you have the keyboard layout forever. With Windows 11 just around the corner and it having ARM support this guide to get it working should hopefully, work on that too and be super useful for MacOS users.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




On 10 Jul 2021, at 23:59, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 03:24 PM, Jonathan COHN wrote:

Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.

-
Moderator's Note:  No, my dear sir, but yours is, and it's belligerent as well, and I know which I find more offensive:  open belligerence.

Things have now been explained, but even before they were it's clear that someone has to learn how to deal with snark.  Snark as a way of expressing incredulity is common and appropriate at times.

I have no problem with heated disagreements on merit, and I also think that asking whether NVDA can run under Bootcamp is absolutely "about NVDA."  So this topic isn't about to be locked, at least not yet.

There's almost certain to be someone at some point in the future who wonders about how/whether NVDA can be run under Bootcamp on a Mac and this topic gives useful information in that regard.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 

 


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

simon wheatcroft
 

Hi,

Unfortunately, VMWare currently does not support Apple Silicon. So parallels is the only way. Sighted assistance is only needed during the initial installation.

Of course with Windows 11 having ARM support all this may change in the not so distant future


On 11 Jul 2021, at 10:58, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:



I don’t run Windows on a Mac nowadays leaving NVDA for my Windows machines but when I did  a couple of years ago I was able to do this without sighted help. I hope that this is still the current situation.

The key  step then was to use VMWare Fusion rather than Parallels as your  virtual machine client which allowed a Voiceover accessible installation of Windows as  your Virtual Machine.

Then, as you say, you can use Narrator to download NVDA or, in my case I simply used a portable version of NVDA to get me going.

In terms of remapping keys I personally found this very easy using the free Sharp  Keys utility under Windows and did not use any Mac utility, leaving keys under the Mac side untouched.

For myself I also used this Sharp keys utility to remap the alt gr key to a right windows keys so I had left and right windows keys.

I hope this accessible path to windows install on the Mac situation is still current but cannot check it or provide current step by step as I have abandoned using Windows under a Mac preferring to keep 2 machines. I found too many problems using virtual windows on the Mac side, particularly with hardware support for specialist devices. For example my EyePal Scanner would never work under Mac Virtual Windows and needed a real Windows machine to hook into.

 

David Griffith.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: simon wheatcroft
Sent: 11 July 2021 08:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

 

Hi,

 

As we appear to have the green light of this not being off topic. Here is a rough outline of how you can get windows 10 insiders build working on an M1 under parallels.

 

You will need sighted assistance for this bit as parallels does not work with VO, but follow this guide to get up and running:

 

https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/22/run-windows-10-arm-m1-mac-apple-silicon-x64-x86-no-boot-camp-video/

 

Once running use narrator to download the latest version of NVDA.

 

 

This will give you a basic working install.

 

THings that will be missing:

1. The NVDA key as VO will grab it - i personally re-map the key above tab to insert. I do this under MacOS using:

 

https://ke-complex-modifications.pqrs.org

 

2. The other issue you may have is control+alt keyboard shortcuts not working. These will work under some apps for example, Microsoft Word and some Windows keyboard shortcuts. If this is enough for you then ignore this bit. If its not…

 

Download - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/906c31e4-d5ea-7988-cb39-7b688880d7cb

 

You will now need to create your own custom keyboard layout. You will need to remove all the alt-gr and control-alt mappings to get all your control-alt shortcuts working. 

 

Then once you have done this you build that version of the keyboard and select it. It builds it as an .exe and should then show up as a keyboard option once installed. Note you may need to remove the other keyboards at this point to get all shortcuts working.

 

You can follow this guide:

 

https://superuser.com/questions/592970/can-i-make-ctrlalt-not-act-like-altgr-on-windows

 

Ignore all the stuff about auto hotkey you are after the remapping with the keyboard layout creator.

 

I do have the keyboard layout as the .exe for a MBA with a US layout. If you require that instead of making it yourself let me know and i can send it through.

 

As a prior comment said it is these keymappings that take the real effort. But once that is done you have the keyboard layout forever. With Windows 11 just around the corner and it having ARM support this guide to get it working should hopefully, work on that too and be super useful for MacOS users.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



On 10 Jul 2021, at 23:59, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 03:24 PM, Jonathan COHN wrote:

Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.

-
Moderator's Note:  No, my dear sir, but yours is, and it's belligerent as well, and I know which I find more offensive:  open belligerence.

Things have now been explained, but even before they were it's clear that someone has to learn how to deal with snark.  Snark as a way of expressing incredulity is common and appropriate at times.

I have no problem with heated disagreements on merit, and I also think that asking whether NVDA can run under Bootcamp is absolutely "about NVDA."  So this topic isn't about to be locked, at least not yet.

There's almost certain to be someone at some point in the future who wonders about how/whether NVDA can be run under Bootcamp on a Mac and this topic gives useful information in that regard.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 


Re: Compatibility updates to the "Golden Cursor" add-on will not be provided

Rowen Cary
 

I am not the author of the plugin. If necessary, can we please on nvaccess to find a new maintainer?


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

David Griffith
 

I don’t run Windows on a Mac nowadays leaving NVDA for my Windows machines but when I did  a couple of years ago I was able to do this without sighted help. I hope that this is still the current situation.

The key  step then was to use VMWare Fusion rather than Parallels as your  virtual machine client which allowed a Voiceover accessible installation of Windows as  your Virtual Machine.

Then, as you say, you can use Narrator to download NVDA or, in my case I simply used a portable version of NVDA to get me going.

In terms of remapping keys I personally found this very easy using the free Sharp  Keys utility under Windows and did not use any Mac utility, leaving keys under the Mac side untouched.

For myself I also used this Sharp keys utility to remap the alt gr key to a right windows keys so I had left and right windows keys.

I hope this accessible path to windows install on the Mac situation is still current but cannot check it or provide current step by step as I have abandoned using Windows under a Mac preferring to keep 2 machines. I found too many problems using virtual windows on the Mac side, particularly with hardware support for specialist devices. For example my EyePal Scanner would never work under Mac Virtual Windows and needed a real Windows machine to hook into.

 

David Griffith.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: simon wheatcroft
Sent: 11 July 2021 08:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

 

Hi,

 

As we appear to have the green light of this not being off topic. Here is a rough outline of how you can get windows 10 insiders build working on an M1 under parallels.

 

You will need sighted assistance for this bit as parallels does not work with VO, but follow this guide to get up and running:

 

https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/22/run-windows-10-arm-m1-mac-apple-silicon-x64-x86-no-boot-camp-video/

 

Once running use narrator to download the latest version of NVDA.

 

 

This will give you a basic working install.

 

THings that will be missing:

1. The NVDA key as VO will grab it - i personally re-map the key above tab to insert. I do this under MacOS using:

 

https://ke-complex-modifications.pqrs.org

 

2. The other issue you may have is control+alt keyboard shortcuts not working. These will work under some apps for example, Microsoft Word and some Windows keyboard shortcuts. If this is enough for you then ignore this bit. If its not…

 

Download - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/906c31e4-d5ea-7988-cb39-7b688880d7cb

 

You will now need to create your own custom keyboard layout. You will need to remove all the alt-gr and control-alt mappings to get all your control-alt shortcuts working. 

 

Then once you have done this you build that version of the keyboard and select it. It builds it as an .exe and should then show up as a keyboard option once installed. Note you may need to remove the other keyboards at this point to get all shortcuts working.

 

You can follow this guide:

 

https://superuser.com/questions/592970/can-i-make-ctrlalt-not-act-like-altgr-on-windows

 

Ignore all the stuff about auto hotkey you are after the remapping with the keyboard layout creator.

 

I do have the keyboard layout as the .exe for a MBA with a US layout. If you require that instead of making it yourself let me know and i can send it through.

 

As a prior comment said it is these keymappings that take the real effort. But once that is done you have the keyboard layout forever. With Windows 11 just around the corner and it having ARM support this guide to get it working should hopefully, work on that too and be super useful for MacOS users.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



On 10 Jul 2021, at 23:59, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 03:24 PM, Jonathan COHN wrote:

Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.

-
Moderator's Note:  No, my dear sir, but yours is, and it's belligerent as well, and I know which I find more offensive:  open belligerence.

Things have now been explained, but even before they were it's clear that someone has to learn how to deal with snark.  Snark as a way of expressing incredulity is common and appropriate at times.

I have no problem with heated disagreements on merit, and I also think that asking whether NVDA can run under Bootcamp is absolutely "about NVDA."  So this topic isn't about to be locked, at least not yet.

There's almost certain to be someone at some point in the future who wonders about how/whether NVDA can be run under Bootcamp on a Mac and this topic gives useful information in that regard.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 


Re: Compatibility updates to the "Golden Cursor" add-on will not be provided

David Griffith
 

I checked the addon compatibility page and it is still listed as incompatible. Have you submitted your revised compatible version?

It would be kind if you did I think for many users although I have not used it myself.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rowen Cary
Sent: 10 July 2021 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Compatibility updates to the "Golden Cursor" add-on will not be provided

 

To make it compatible with 2021.1 only need to change the addon compatibility flag, I did this and it worked well.

 


Re: sending a file through NVDA remote

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

If you look at the message I was responding to,  you will see that someone was trying to move a file between machines via the clipboard and NVDA Remote.  You can use the clipboard to move files around on your local machine but the “Push text” feature of NVDA Remote is just for text not file links.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Cheers

Chris

 

From: A.Mac via groups.io
Sent: 11 July 2021 09:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

what do you mean about files?

On 10/07/2021 18:39, Chris Mullins wrote:

 

Hi

You can’t send files via NVDA remote, you can only push/pull  text between connected machines.

 

Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 10 July 2021 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

Hi,

I have successfully pushed my clipboard to someone's computer that I was controlling via NVDA remote, but now I want to send a file.

I went into remote and copied the link and send, and I don't know if it went, or if it did, where it went to on the other computer.

Thanks.

 

Glenn

 

-- 
Thanks for your time in advance.
😎
Later
A.Mac
[all out going mail is scanned by Avira]

 


Re: sending a file through NVDA remote

Gene
 

I haven’t used remote connection but this appears to mean that you can exchange text, written material, but not files.  You can exchange text, but not a file containing text.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote
 

what do you mean about files?

On 10/07/2021 18:39, Chris Mullins wrote:

 

Hi

You can’t send files via NVDA remote, you can only push/pull  text between connected machines.

 

Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 10 July 2021 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

Hi,

I have successfully pushed my clipboard to someone's computer that I was controlling via NVDA remote, but now I want to send a file.

I went into remote and copied the link and send, and I don't know if it went, or if it did, where it went to on the other computer.

Thanks.

 

Glenn

 

-- 
Thanks for your time in advance.
😎
Later
A.Mac
[all out going mail is scanned by Avira]


Re: sending a file through NVDA remote

A.Mac
 

what do you mean about files?

On 10/07/2021 18:39, Chris Mullins wrote:

 

Hi

You can’t send files via NVDA remote, you can only push/pull  text between connected machines.

 

Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 10 July 2021 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

Hi,

I have successfully pushed my clipboard to someone's computer that I was controlling via NVDA remote, but now I want to send a file.

I went into remote and copied the link and send, and I don't know if it went, or if it did, where it went to on the other computer.

Thanks.

 

Glenn

 

-- 
Thanks for your time in advance.
😎
Later
A.Mac
[all out going mail is scanned by Avira]


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Ian Blackburn
 

The deck talk that sounded the best was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was

On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@...> wrote:

The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years
On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4
and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...

On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
*Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io
*Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected. I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>
*Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Ian Blackburn
 

The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years

On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4
and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...

On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
*Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
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As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected. I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
Gene
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*From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>
*Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4
and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...

On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
*Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
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As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
Gene
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*From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>
*Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.


Re: Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Teddy Bear Cute
 

Ok thanks. Downloaded already. Hanks very much.

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Daripada: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Bagi Pihak Socheat
Hantar: Saturday, 10 July, 2021 5:42 PM
Kepada: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subjek: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Hi
The latest addon can be found on there official website at https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store

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Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

Where is the link?

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Hantar: Saturday, 10 July, 2021 4:24 PM
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Subjek: Re: [nvda] Looks like Code Factory has updated their voices to support NVDA 2021.1

I just got the sapi update after reading this message.

A note, there are a lot of updated voices, so you will have to uninstall then reinstall all the voices that have updates after updating your eloquence and vocaliser sapi package.

Also please note that a lot of voices will become uninstalled after the updates but their names will remain in the registry.

To fix it appears all you need to do is uninstall all the voices that have updates, and reinstall all voices.

I wish there was some way to remove all the broken voices or to update all the voices but oh well, its taken me an hour and the voices are installed.

Several new voices as well as ml varients so maybe ml means mobile they don't sound much different.

Its good to see a few more voices especially another one for australia.




On 9/07/2021 8:57 pm, Socheat wrote:
Hi list,

Just in case some of you may not be aware, CF has already put up the
latest driver for their voices to support NVDA 2021.1.






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Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

simon wheatcroft
 

Hi,

As we appear to have the green light of this not being off topic. Here is a rough outline of how you can get windows 10 insiders build working on an M1 under parallels.

You will need sighted assistance for this bit as parallels does not work with VO, but follow this guide to get up and running:

https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/22/run-windows-10-arm-m1-mac-apple-silicon-x64-x86-no-boot-camp-video/

Once running use narrator to download the latest version of NVDA.


This will give you a basic working install.

THings that will be missing:
1. The NVDA key as VO will grab it - i personally re-map the key above tab to insert. I do this under MacOS using:

https://ke-complex-modifications.pqrs.org

2. The other issue you may have is control+alt keyboard shortcuts not working. These will work under some apps for example, Microsoft Word and some Windows keyboard shortcuts. If this is enough for you then ignore this bit. If its not…

Download - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/906c31e4-d5ea-7988-cb39-7b688880d7cb

You will now need to create your own custom keyboard layout. You will need to remove all the alt-gr and control-alt mappings to get all your control-alt shortcuts working. 

Then once you have done this you build that version of the keyboard and select it. It builds it as an .exe and should then show up as a keyboard option once installed. Note you may need to remove the other keyboards at this point to get all shortcuts working.

You can follow this guide:

https://superuser.com/questions/592970/can-i-make-ctrlalt-not-act-like-altgr-on-windows

Ignore all the stuff about auto hotkey you are after the remapping with the keyboard layout creator.

I do have the keyboard layout as the .exe for a MBA with a US layout. If you require that instead of making it yourself let me know and i can send it through.

As a prior comment said it is these keymappings that take the real effort. But once that is done you have the keyboard layout forever. With Windows 11 just around the corner and it having ARM support this guide to get it working should hopefully, work on that too and be super useful for MacOS users.








On 10 Jul 2021, at 23:59, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 03:24 PM, Jonathan COHN wrote:
Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.
-
Moderator's Note:  No, my dear sir, but yours is, and it's belligerent as well, and I know which I find more offensive:  open belligerence.

Things have now been explained, but even before they were it's clear that someone has to learn how to deal with snark.  Snark as a way of expressing incredulity is common and appropriate at times.

I have no problem with heated disagreements on merit, and I also think that asking whether NVDA can run under Bootcamp is absolutely "about NVDA."  So this topic isn't about to be locked, at least not yet.

There's almost certain to be someone at some point in the future who wonders about how/whether NVDA can be run under Bootcamp on a Mac and this topic gives useful information in that regard.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

 

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 03:24 PM, Jonathan COHN wrote:
Your reply is totally useless as is. AND THIS TOPIC is pretty much not about NVDA att so should be discontinued.
-
Moderator's Note:  No, my dear sir, but yours is, and it's belligerent as well, and I know which I find more offensive:  open belligerence.

Things have now been explained, but even before they were it's clear that someone has to learn how to deal with snark.  Snark as a way of expressing incredulity is common and appropriate at times.

I have no problem with heated disagreements on merit, and I also think that asking whether NVDA can run under Bootcamp is absolutely "about NVDA."  So this topic isn't about to be locked, at least not yet.

There's almost certain to be someone at some point in the future who wonders about how/whether NVDA can be run under Bootcamp on a Mac and this topic gives useful information in that regard.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: object enhancer addon

Rui Fontes
 

Yes,it works.


Rui Fontes


Às 18:01 de 10/07/2021, Josh Kennedy escreveu:

will the object enhancer from that dropbox site work with NVDA 2021.1 and above? 


About Thunderbird extension Quick Folder Key Navigation

Tony Malykh
 

Hi all,
There have been a number of threads recently regarding problems with Quick Folder Key Navigation extension for Thunderbird. I just ran into the problem on a brand new laptop, when this extension doesn't work at all without producing any error messages, and I spent some time investigating the cause, so I just wanted to let people know about what I found just in case anyone else runs into this problem again.
It turns out that McAfee  antivirus that was preinstalled on my laptop believes that this extension is a virus. Adding insult to injury this antivirus appears to be completely inaccessible with NVDA, so even though it shows an alert window, there is no way of knowing about that. As a result, the extension appears to be silently not working.
In order to fix this, you would need to uninstall McAfee antivirus (sighted help required) and reinstall the extension. This will also switch your computer to Windows Defender  antivirus, which doesn't seem to have a false positive on this extension.
Further diagnosis of any problems with this extension can be performed by checking any errors in Thunderbird error console (Menu>Tools>Developer Tools>Error Console). In my case I had the following error message on startup:
Error while loading
'jar:file:///C:/Users/tony/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/6tp5u0gh.default-release/extensions/keynav@...!/manifest.json' (NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED) Extension.jsm:570
This error is happening apparently because McAfee antivirus replaces extension file keynav@... with an empty file, and Thunderbird is not smart enough to at least alert user of such error.
HTH
--Tony


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

simon wheatcroft
 

Without going to far off topic…

The key mappings is the issue. You have to write your own keyboard layout and then compile it for the architecture. I have it for the MacBook Air keyboard layout. Happy to share but as in previous post trying not to go to far off topic. I just wanted to point out that it does work.




On 10 Jul 2021, at 20:49, V Stuart Foote <vstuart.foote@...> wrote:

Folks,

So for a non-Intel x86 based M1 ARM instruction set Apple desktop or laptop, this currently will require Parallels and a not quite legal copy of the ARM 64 flavor of Windows 10 preview to run as a guest OS.

There will be no "Bootcamp" mode to support ARM 64 Windows running natively--so it has to be a hosted virtual machine.

For now options to Paralles do not exist, VM Ware's Fusion is not going to support the ARM 64 flavor of Windows -- until Microsoft clarifies the licensing situation. 

But, for a hosted ARM 64 flavor of Windows there is no reason to expect that NVDA would not function.

But Key mappings will be a challenge -- the mix of native macOS shortcuts & accelerators, nsAccessibility, and those shortcuts/accellerator allocated to the guest os, and finally any NVDA specific mappings.

Quite a bit to sort through. Your milage may vary (YMMV)  with your patience, good luck!

Stuart


Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

V Stuart Foote
 

Folks,

So for a non-Intel x86 based M1 ARM instruction set Apple desktop or laptop, this currently will require Parallels and a not quite legal copy of the ARM 64 flavor of Windows 10 preview to run as a guest OS.

There will be no "Bootcamp" mode to support ARM 64 Windows running natively--so it has to be a hosted virtual machine.

For now options to Paralles do not exist, VM Ware's Fusion is not going to support the ARM 64 flavor of Windows -- until Microsoft clarifies the licensing situation. 

But, for a hosted ARM 64 flavor of Windows there is no reason to expect that NVDA would not function.

But Key mappings will be a challenge -- the mix of native macOS shortcuts & accelerators, nsAccessibility, and those shortcuts/accellerator allocated to the guest os, and finally any NVDA specific mappings.

Quite a bit to sort through. Your milage may vary (YMMV)  with your patience, good luck!

Stuart

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