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NVDA 2021.1 Released

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NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2021.1 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, is now available for download. We encourage all users to upgrade to this version.

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Notice: Joseph Lee's add-ons will require future NVDA releases, support for most add-ons will end by end of this year

 

Hello NvDA users,

As we await the next version of NVDA (2021.1 which is going through last bits of testing), I’m sure you might be asking about some of your favorite add-ons and their NVDA 2021.1 readiness. As you can see from add-on compatibility document I shared a few weeks ago, many add-ons are ready for the next NvDA release, and speech synthesizer vendors are putting finishing touches to their add-ons or have released compatible releases. If you do notice incompatible add-ons (apart from ones where we had people share status updates for a while), please contact add-on developers for definitive answers.

The purpose of this notice is to document what will happen to Joseph Lee’s (my) add-ons in the near future, as two significant changes are on the horizon, driven by life changes and what’s coming in future NVDA releases. As such, what I’m about to say will not have an immediate impact, but it is important to let you know so you can prepare accordingly. And before I tell you what’s coming, I hereby disclose that I am no longer the head administrator and owner of NVDA Add-ons list – Noelia Martinez, the author and maintainer of add-ons including Place Markers, Clip Contents Designer and others, is the add-ons community administrator, with NV Access staff also serving as admins of the add-ons list.

So what are the two big changes Joseph is talking about? First has to do with life changes. As most of you may know by now, I’m at a point in life where I need to devote more time to school. Therefore, I announce that, by end of this year, most of my add-ons will be in the hands of the NVDA community i.e. I’m ending support and maintenance for them. Some were my creations (Control Usage Assistant, Enhanced Touch Gestures, GoldWave), while others were transformed under my watch (Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist). The add-ons listed in parentheses are the ones I’m handing over to the community for further maintenance – the beauty of open source is that folks are welcome to view, study, modify, and depending on license, share and contribute edits, including add-ons. As a side note, Easy Table Navigator is my creation, but I handed it to the community last year and we now have an updated release compatible with upcoming NVDA 2021.1, and modifications were made by community members (thank you to folks who did make it compatible). I hope people can find ways to maintain Control Usage Assistant, Enhanced Touch Gestures, GoldWave, Resource Monitor, and StationPlaylist in the future and make them much better (all of these add-ons are hosted on my GitHub page under https://github.com/josephsl). I promise that I will make an announcement when the last versions of these add-ons under my maintenance are published.

The second big change has to do with the version of NVDA coming after 2021.1, appropriately labeled 2021.2. Currently NVDA 2021.2 is under alpha testing phase, and it introduces several changes that will impact not only users, but add-ons, too. Most notably, foundations to support Windows 11 is present, along with a brand new way to let add-ons detect and work with control roles and states while modernizing the underlying code. This last point on control roles and states is called “control types refactor” and will have significant impact on many add-ons, especially add-ons supporting various apps. My add-ons are also affected, most notably Control Usage Assistant, GoldWave, StationPlaylist, and Windows App Essentials. What I’m about to say concerns my own add-ons – other add-on developers may have different policies on supporting old and new NvDA releases.

Although it is important to support old and new NVDA releases, with a significant change such as control types refactor, it becomes hard to maintain compatibility with older NVDA releases as time passes. Therefore I hereby announce that, as soon as NVDA 2021.2 is released to everyone (stable channel, that is), ALL of my add-ons will receive updates requiring you to use NVDA 2021.2 or later (I call this “version jump”). Not only this will be the case for add-ons I’m handing to the community, it will be applied to Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials as well. As for when the NVDA requirement will take effect, it will depend on when NVDA 2021.2 beta 1 is released as that’s when add-on developers will check their add-ons for compatibility and publish announcements.

Special note for Windows App Essentials users: if you are using development snapshots, at least two builds in the future will require recent NVDA alpha snapshots. This is done to test compatibility with upcoming NVDA release.

I understand that these two big changes might be a bit hard to process for some. In summary, these decisions were driven by change. I, too thought I would contribute to NVDA and create new add-ons for years to come. But life goes on, and so I must let go of things I have supported for years, knowing that somewhere out there is a person or two who will make these add-ons better. In the realm of software development, changes happen really fast, and sometimes we need to let go of legacy materials to prepare for future possibilities.

I also understand that some people would question my decision to publish this notice early – normally I would wait until NVDA beta 1 is released before making notices like this. But for changes as big as the ones I outlined, I believe that users have the right to know what’s going on so you can prepare accordingly. In the end, I want to reassure you that I’m thinking about users – I personally don’t regret having nightly wrestling matches a.k.a. debugging sessions with Windows 11, knowing that NVDA users should be treated with respect when it comes to Windows 11 usage, and spending a weekend in July 2014 to work with a StationPlaylist user on encoders support was an eye-opening experience.

To everyone who provided feedback on Control Usage Assistant, Enhanced Touch Gestures, GoldWave, Resource Monitor, and StationPlaylist, thank you. As for NVDA 2021.1, I, too can’t wait to see how it goes for everyone once released; in the meantime, NvDA development continues, and the next big thing on the horizon will be 2021.2.

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: sending a file through NVDA remote

Michael Micallef at FITA
 

Hi tony,

 

Nvda remote cannot send files from one pc to another better option is to install dropbox and it is free for further details visit

www.dropbox.com

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of anthony borg via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 04:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

CAUTION: This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.

 

Hi

 

Can you please explain more fully how to send a file through a NVDA remote?

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 11 July 2021 18:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

Files, as in, text files, or an mp3 or png file, so only text and not files can be pushed through nvda remote.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of A.Mac via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 1:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

what do you mean about files?

On 10/07/2021 18:39, Chris Mullins wrote:

 

Hi

You can’t send files via NVDA remote, you can only push/pull  text between connected machines.

 

Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 10 July 2021 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

Hi,

I have successfully pushed my clipboard to someone's computer that I was controlling via NVDA remote, but now I want to send a file.

I went into remote and copied the link and send, and I don't know if it went, or if it did, where it went to on the other computer.

Thanks.

 

Glenn

 

-- 
Thanks for your time in advance.
😎
Later
A.Mac
[all out going mail is scanned by Avira]


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Gene
 

The software Dectalk isn’t as good as the old hardware versions but it isn’t bad.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
 
However, Eloquence is easier to understand at fast speech rates.  I don’t have to stop and go back to check a word I didn’t understand hardly ever at a high rate, about 350 or 400 words per minute.  With Dectalk, I have to check more often.  Eloquence pronounces more words correctly without a speech dictionary.  And, while Eloquence doesn’t have as pleasant sounding a voice, the voice sounds better as you increase reading spdeed.  So each synthesizer has advantages and disadvantages.  For listening to reading at a slower speed, for reading something like a novel in a more relaxed manner, I prefer DecTalk.  For fast reading, I prefer Eloquence. 
 
I don’t know  if you can still by DecTalk to use with System Access to go.  System Access To Go is still around but I don’t know if you can still buy synthesizers to use with it.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
 
Yes, so do I.  Much much more!  For one thing, eloquence doesn’t know how to pitch its voice.  If you have a long sentence without commas or other punctuation, it will wind down, as if it has a dead battery.  Then, when it encounters the next mark, it sort of takes a breath, and the voice goes back up to the top.  That is only one thing I don’t like about eloquence.  Pam.
 
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
 
David Grossgan used to have a website that have the Dectalk add-ons include Access 32. But, that add-on was out of support eversince NVDA 2019.3. Personally, I like Dectalk more than EloquencePersonal preference 


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Gene
 

However, Eloquence is easier to understand at fast speech rates.  I don’t have to stop and go back to check a word I didn’t understand hardly ever at a high rate, about 350 or 400 words per minute.  With Dectalk, I have to check more often.  Eloquence pronounces more words correctly without a speech dictionary.  And, while Eloquence doesn’t have as pleasant sounding a voice, the voice sounds better as you increase reading spdeed.  So each synthesizer has advantages and disadvantages.  For listening to reading at a slower speed, for reading something like a novel in a more relaxed manner, I prefer DecTalk.  For fast reading, I prefer Eloquence. 
 
I don’t know  if you can still by DecTalk to use with System Access to go.  System Access To Go is still around but I don’t know if you can still buy synthesizers to use with it.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
 
Yes, so do I.  Much much more!  For one thing, eloquence doesn’t know how to pitch its voice.  If you have a long sentence without commas or other punctuation, it will wind down, as if it has a dead battery.  Then, when it encounters the next mark, it sort of takes a breath, and the voice goes back up to the top.  That is only one thing I don’t like about eloquence.  Pam.
 
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
 
David Grossgan used to have a website that have the Dectalk add-ons include Access 32. But, that add-on was out of support eversince NVDA 2019.3. Personally, I like Dectalk more than EloquencePersonal preference 


Re: sending a file through NVDA remote

anthony borg
 

Hi

 

Can you please explain more fully how to send a file through a NVDA remote?

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 11 July 2021 18:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

Files, as in, text files, or an mp3 or png file, so only text and not files can be pushed through nvda remote.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of A.Mac via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 1:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

what do you mean about files?

On 10/07/2021 18:39, Chris Mullins wrote:

 

Hi

You can’t send files via NVDA remote, you can only push/pull  text between connected machines.

 

Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 10 July 2021 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

Hi,

I have successfully pushed my clipboard to someone's computer that I was controlling via NVDA remote, but now I want to send a file.

I went into remote and copied the link and send, and I don't know if it went, or if it did, where it went to on the other computer.

Thanks.

 

Glenn

 

-- 
Thanks for your time in advance.
😎
Later
A.Mac
[all out going mail is scanned by Avira]


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

David Mehler
 

Hello curtis,

Do you have a url?

Thanks.
Dave.

On 7/11/21, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, so do I.  Much much more!  For one thing, eloquence doesn’t know how to
pitch its voice.  If you have a long sentence without commas or other
punctuation, it will wind down, as if it has a dead battery.  Then, when it
encounters the next mark, it sort of takes a breath, and the voice goes back
up to the top.  That is only one thing I don’t like about eloquence.  Pam.

*From:* Michael Munn ( michaelrbms@gmail.com )
*Sent:* Friday, July 09, 2021 10:12 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

David Grossgan used to have a website that have the Dectalk add-ons include
Access 32. But, that add-on was out of support eversince NVDA 2019.3.
Personally, I like Dectalk more than Eloquence Personal preference






Re: Determining Which Add-Ons Work With NVDA

 

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 10:21 AM, brice Mijares wrote:
Is there a dedicated page for working ad on's for the current version of NVDA? thank you.
-
The same as it's always been:  NVDA Community Add-Ons Page.

Note well:  In times of great flux, such as a backward compatibility breaking NVDA release (e.g., NVDA 2021.1) there is also the page dedicated to whether existing add-ons are, at a given point in time during the beta and release candidate period, compatible with that release:  Add-ons and backwards incompatible NVDA releases  (which is the page previously mentioned by Quentin).

There is no way that the community add-ons page can serve "dual duty" during these periods, but it is updated after a given release has been released and serves as the primary reference during "typical times."
--

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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Pamela Dominguez
 

Yes, so do I.  Much much more!  For one thing, eloquence doesn’t know how to pitch its voice.  If you have a long sentence without commas or other punctuation, it will wind down, as if it has a dead battery.  Then, when it encounters the next mark, it sort of takes a breath, and the voice goes back up to the top.  That is only one thing I don’t like about eloquence.  Pam.
 

Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
 
David Grossgan used to have a website that have the Dectalk add-ons include Access 32. But, that add-on was out of support eversince NVDA 2019.3. Personally, I like Dectalk more than EloquencePersonal preference 


Re: Determining Which Add-Ons Work With NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

On the add-ons side, on the "Community announcements" page, this is the first link: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdacompat.en.html



On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 12:22 AM brice Mijares <bmijares33@...> wrote:
Is there a dedicated page for working ad on's for the current version of
NVDA? thank you.








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Training and Support Manager


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Roger Stewart
 

There are USB to serial adapters though that will allow them to work if there were a driver for it.

Roger








On 7/11/2021 3:29 PM, Arlene wrote:

Oh yes they were. That’s why  Iam glad my dectalk express bit the dust. It was driven by a serial port. These newer computers do not have support for those kinds of things. That’s why I’m truly glad my dectalk express died. For that reason I do not want to go back to it as much as I liked it.   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Howard Traxler
Sent: July 11, 2021 9:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

Those old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port

(RS232).  I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet.  If

anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know,  We could come to a deal.

 

Howard

 

 

On 7/11/2021 3:34 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote:

> The  deck talk that sounded the best  was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was

> On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@...> wrote:

> The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years

> On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

> I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4

> and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.

> Curtis Delzer

> HS

> K 6 V F O

> Rialto, CA

> curtis@...

> On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>> I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.

>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA

>> *Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM

>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

>> I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.

>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io

>> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01

>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

>> CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.

>> As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.

>> You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.

>> Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.

>> Gene

>> -----Original Message-----

>> *From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>

>> *Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM

>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

>> I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 



Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Arlene
 

Oh yes they were. That’s why  Iam glad my dectalk express bit the dust. It was driven by a serial port. These newer computers do not have support for those kinds of things. That’s why I’m truly glad my dectalk express died. For that reason I do not want to go back to it as much as I liked it.   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Howard Traxler
Sent: July 11, 2021 9:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

Those old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port

(RS232).  I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet.  If

anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know,  We could come to a deal.

 

Howard

 

 

On 7/11/2021 3:34 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote:

> The  deck talk that sounded the best  was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was

> On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@...> wrote:

> The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years

> On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

> I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4

> and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.

> Curtis Delzer

> HS

> K 6 V F O

> Rialto, CA

> curtis@...

> On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>> I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.

>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA

>> *Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM

>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

>> I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.

>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io

>> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01

>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

>> CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.

>> As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.

>> You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.

>> Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.

>> Gene

>> -----Original Message-----

>> *From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>

>> *Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM

>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

>> I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Arlene
 

Boy! I thought Dectalk was a thing of the past.   I haven’t used  it after my dectalk express bit the dust.  It died 12 years ago.  I haven’t used any dectalk synth since then. I’m glad its still around for those who like it.  I don’t think I’ll go back to it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: July 11, 2021 1:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4

and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.

 

Curtis Delzer

HS

K 6 V F O

Rialto, CA

 

curtis@...

 

On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if

> one existed as well.

>

> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef

> Michael at FITA

> *Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

>

> I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a

> hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never

> heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk

> of the venerable window-eyes.

>

> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene

> via groups.io

> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

>

> CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email

> Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you

> recognise the sender and know the content is safe.

>

> As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that

> sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is

> possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a

> SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.

>

> You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to

> purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the

> rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information

> on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to

> ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given

> the interest in Dectalk.

>

> Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of

> Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than

> the Dectalk people expect.

>

> Gene

>

> -----Original Message-----

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> *From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>

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> *Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM

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> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

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> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

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> I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I

> prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.

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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

simon wheatcroft
 

Hi,

I tested with an external keyboard and the control + alt behaviour persisted. I put it down to an issue within the ARM insiders build.

The link i provided a few messages ago goes into depth about why windows has this feature now and that it can’t be turned off.

As another data point, i have a Microsoft surface too running standard windows 10. The control + alt behaviour does not exist on that machine. I am sure there is an explenation to it all, but i found the keyboard layout creation tool solved it for the insiders build.

I have my fingers crossed that in Windows 11 ARM edition there is no need for the remapping f keys.


On 11 Jul 2021, at 17:27, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


I don’t see how you can try them with NVDA unless you find a way that NVDA can drive the unit.  You would need some sort of add-on for that to be possible or for some sort of Dectalk driver that works with whatever external unit you are using to be incorporated into NVDA as a speech option.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
 
Those old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port
(RS232).  I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet.  If
anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know,  We could come to a deal.

Howard


On 7/11/2021 3:34 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote:
> The  deck talk that sounded the best  was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was
> On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@...> wrote:
>
> The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years
> On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:
>
> I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4
> and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.
>
> Curtis Delzer
> HS
> K 6 V F O
> Rialto, CA
>
> curtis@...
>
> On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
>> I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
>> CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
>> As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
>> You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
>> Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>
>> *Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
>> I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.
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Re: sending a file through NVDA remote

Richard Wells
 

You could certainly push a link from Dropbox or other file transfer services. That is how I do it.

On 7/11/2021 3:58 AM, Gene wrote:
I haven’t used remote connection but this appears to mean that you can exchange text, written material, but not files.  You can exchange text, but not a file containing text.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote
 

what do you mean about files?

On 10/07/2021 18:39, Chris Mullins wrote:

 

Hi

You can’t send files via NVDA remote, you can only push/pull  text between connected machines.

 

Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 10 July 2021 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

Hi,

I have successfully pushed my clipboard to someone's computer that I was controlling via NVDA remote, but now I want to send a file.

I went into remote and copied the link and send, and I don't know if it went, or if it did, where it went to on the other computer.

Thanks.

 

Glenn

 

--
Thanks for your time in advance.
😎
Later
A.Mac
[all out going mail is scanned by Avira]


Re: sending a file through NVDA remote

Sarah k Alawami
 

Files, as in, text files, or an mp3 or png file, so only text and not files can be pushed through nvda remote.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of A.Mac via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 1:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

what do you mean about files?

On 10/07/2021 18:39, Chris Mullins wrote:

 

Hi

You can’t send files via NVDA remote, you can only push/pull  text between connected machines.

 

Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 10 July 2021 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sending a file through NVDA remote

 

Hi,

I have successfully pushed my clipboard to someone's computer that I was controlling via NVDA remote, but now I want to send a file.

I went into remote and copied the link and send, and I don't know if it went, or if it did, where it went to on the other computer.

Thanks.

 

Glenn

 

-- 
Thanks for your time in advance.
😎
Later
A.Mac
[all out going mail is scanned by Avira]


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Gene
 

I don’t see how you can try them with NVDA unless you find a way that NVDA can drive the unit.  You would need some sort of add-on for that to be possible or for some sort of Dectalk driver that works with whatever external unit you are using to be incorporated into NVDA as a speech option.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
 
Those old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port
(RS232).  I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet.  If
anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know,  We could come to a deal.

Howard


On 7/11/2021 3:34 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote:
> The  deck talk that sounded the best  was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was
> On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@...> wrote:
>
> The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years
> On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:
>
> I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4
> and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.
>
> Curtis Delzer
> HS
> K 6 V F O
> Rialto, CA
>
> curtis@...
>
> On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
>> I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
>> CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
>> As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
>> You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
>> Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>
>> *Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
>> I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.
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Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Roger Stewart
 

I have an old DecTalk unit as well. I just need a driver add-on for nvda to use it.

Roger

On 7/11/2021 11:11 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Those old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port (RS232).  I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet.  If anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know,  We could come to a deal.

Howard


On 7/11/2021 3:34 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote:
The  deck talk that sounded the best  was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was
On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@westnet.com.au> wrote:

The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years
On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@calweb.com> wrote:

I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4
and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com

On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
*Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io
*Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.


















Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Howard Traxler
 

Those old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port (RS232).  I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet.  If anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know,  We could come to a deal.

Howard

On 7/11/2021 3:34 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote:
The deck talk that sounded the best was the one that was about as big as a flatbed scanner Version two it was
On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@westnet.com.au> wrote:

The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used one for at least 10 or 11 years
On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@calweb.com> wrote:

I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4
and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got it.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com

On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if one existed as well.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef Michael at FITA
*Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk of the venerable window-eyes.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene via groups.io
*Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that sounds at all like what would be expected. I don’t know if it is possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.
You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given the interest in Dectalk.
Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than the Dectalk people expect.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.














Re: Running NVDA on a MacBook with BootCamp or similar?

Jason White
 

I've used an external, PC-style USB keyboard with my Mac, but not recently. I don't run Windows on the Mac, so I can't comment on that issue.

If I remember correctly, the Windows key was mapped to the Command key, and the Alt key to the Option key, which is the reverse of their placement on a proper Mac keyboard. If you were running Windows (e.g., with Bootcamp or with virtualization), I would expect the keys to function as on a Windows machine when using an external keyboard.

On 8/7/21 6:29 pm, lukelistservs@... wrote:

Hi,

I consulted Google before sending this but I only came across this situation for NVDA testing purposes so I don’t want to presume that information also applies to the end user experience. I accepted a new developer job and found out today my new employer is shipping me a MacBook Pro as my work computer. This was surprising considering we’ll be developing in C#.Net in Visual Studio, an IDE for which I do not believe there is even a Mac version at this time. Sounds like we’ll be using BootCamp or something similar. I have zero experience with Macs and am terrified this is going to be a huge and unexpected learning curve that will slow down my onboarding. Anyway, is it possible to use NVDA in a Windows mode of Mac and does it work just like on a real PC? One of those articles I skimmed mentioned that the Mac doesn’t have an Insert key, the default NVDA key and that there might be some other keyboard discrepancies, but I would plan on just connecting an external Windows-style keyboard anyway, provided that will work. Any reassurance, tips or guidance on this would be hugely appreciated. I’ve already resigned from my current company and will be starting the new job in two weeks so I’m kind of freaking out right now, Ha.

 

Thank you,

Luke

 

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