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Re: Win10 file explorer list of keyboard commands

 

Pascal,

          Take a look here:  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts

           There is a section dedicated to File Explorer keyboard shortcuts.  There are just too many possible options in any of the ribbons to do a specific "option-by-option" review that's comprehensible.  I know that I was part of a conversation quite a while back that discussed navigating ribbons in general, not just in File Explorer, and the technique for doing so is consistent between programs.  I still generally use ALT+SpecificTabCharacter to get a specific tab/ribbon to appear.  You can then use TAB itself to go item by item through the ribbon.  What's escaping me right now is how one jumps from ribbon group to next (or previous) ribbon group if you know where you want to go and don't want to waste time going from item to item in groups of no interest.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Win10 file explorer list of keyboard commands

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi,
Is there a list of keyboard commands for win10 file explorer? If not, could someone knowledgeable on the list please explain the use of ribbons on the file explorer. Info found on the web is very visual and not helpful.
Need a little help here!
Very much appreciated.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paulius
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of Windows 10 App Essentials

I fully agree with an audio tutoriel. I think tutoriels on text are not so comfortable to read and understand what's covered their. So, in my opinion, an audio tutoriel for that would be fine solution!
Sincerely,
Paulius Leveris

2016-09-17 11:41 GMT+03:00, Brian's Mail list account
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>:
I am finding a combined approach to tutorials more useful than a
totally textual or totally audio one.
Some of the complex concepts are best explained with textual
examples, while just basic descriptions are better in text.
I'm not sure how one would marry up such a presentation though.
This universal apps approach seems a new thing to me. I would
suggest that

its another buzz phrase invented by Microsoft to try to get everyone
to work

in the same way, which is no bad thing, but people who write software
often

work how they want to causing some parts of their software to work
for us,

and others not to.
Also things may be universal this year, but companies do tend to
change the goalposts quite often as we know only too well.
Brian

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briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 5:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of
Windows 10

App Essentials


Hi everyone,



As Windows 10 is being deployed around the world and universal apps
are becoming more prominent, I thought it would be best to produce an
audio overview of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on and to talk about
what it takes to write app modules for universal apps. So I'd like to
receive feedback on the following outline:



* Title: Dive into the world of Windows 10, UIA and universal
apps

* Description: an audio tutorial providing essential information
on
Windows 10, UI Automation (UIA) and what it takes to make universal
apps accessible and create app modules for them, using Windows 10 App
Essentials add-on as a blueprint.



Topics:

1. Windows 10 overview

2. What are universal apps and a brief overview of Universal
Windows
Platform

3. A crash course on UI Automation

4. Your first app module for a UWP app

5. Scenario 1: wrong labels for controls

6. Scenario 2: locating objects

7. Scenario 3: Events and custom routines

8. Tips and recommendations to make universal apps accessible



The tutorial assumes:

1. Windows 10 versions 1511 and 1607 (I'll briefly cover version
1507).

2. Knowledge of NVDA, especially NVDA 2016 series.

3. Familiarity with object navigation.

4. Experience with creating app modules and/or working with UIA
controls are recommended.



Objectives:

1. Be able to explain the following terms: Windows 10, universal
apps,
Universal Windows Platform, Windows Store, UI Automation, app module,
object navigation.

2. Learn to advocate for accessibility of universal apps.

3. Learn to navigate and use universal apps more effectively.

4. Learn to create app modules for universal apps (if desired).

5. Understand the impact of code changes and advocacy on
accessibility
of a platform.



I'm also willing to host an online-based strategy meeting in October
regarding the above topics.



Thanks. Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph





Re: OCR software

Enida Skaljo
 

Abby fine reader works grat wihh NVDA.


Dana 14. 9. 2016. 23:59 osoba "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> napisala je:

yes it does, its only 200 aud, and is cheaper than other ocr stuff.
Pluss abbyy has a habbit of including free offers in their software.
Unlike other software that could include malware or something like it, abbyy has always included the low cost software packages in its pro software.
a form filler for abbyy 6 and or 7, something for something else.
Right now its the 9 buck screen shot reader.
So yeah its always nice.




On 15/09/2016 9:49 a.m., P. Otter wrote:
hi try abbyy finereader, works very good with nvda.

cheers

paul otter



Op 14-9-2016 om 22:25 schreef Maurice Bell:
Hi all, can you advise of a good OCR software package that works well
with NVDA.


Thanks, Maurice.














Re: OpenOffice?

Peter Beasley
 

I have been using Jarte now for 10 years and it does everything that I want from a word processor.
 

Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice?
 
Yes it has text formatting features including headings in bold et cetera
Regards Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Sep 2016, at 5:01 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@...> wrote:

I've thought about switching to Jarte, but I don't know if it has formatting features, like bold, italics and all that.
 
Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
 
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Hmmm I really wish those things worked together.
The way office is going, its causing loads of issues, the best version seems to be 2007 or 2010 as long as you don't have to uninstall it.
I have jarte for a wordprocesser.
I am unsure but there was a program called lotus symphony, true thats not developed anymore but if that works well.




On 16/09/2016 11:25 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.io wrote:
            Hi,


For my use, OpenOffice is even worse than LibreOffice.

It appears that those suites and NVDA have some form of incompatibility
because when used together, both become unstable.

In LibreOffice, working with a very complex spreadsheet for some time
causes NVDA to stop talking (using F2 to reestablish things don't work).

In some cases, Calc totally stops responding.

Calculations with very large chunks of data (as adding cells of wntire
columns become VERY SLOW).

Change spreadsheets with PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP have strange results:
instead of speaking the name of the spreadsheet, sometimes NVDA becomes
mute.

NVDA+SPACE don't work.

And so on...

I used MS Office some time ago in a friend computer and was amazed how
well NVDA and MS suite function together, but I can't afford buying
Office :(



Em 16/09/2016 05:29, Brian's Mail list account escreveu:
I'm a bit out of touch, but does Libra and Open Office still have the
read whole document issue with nvda?
Ie it will stop before theend.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.io"
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice?


no,   these days are long gone.

On 15/09/2016 17:22, Dan Beaver wrote:
Does OpenOffice not need Java accessbridge now?


It used to and I found it less than reliable.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


















 


jarte

 

Jarte has not been updated in ages though.
I don't give a damn because useage is quite low.


Re: OpenOffice?

 

Hmmm so office xp though quite old does work?
That for me may be a solution, I do not need office's crazy crazyness that has been going.
office xp is old and insecure but the cd was brought by my highschool for me, and that cd was given to me, the code was given to me and it is mine.
To be honest though if someone offered me office I may still take it.
My dad has office on the home use program from his work 2013 2016 and 2010 as he upgraded from those.
Technically I could get his old ones, its not exactly legal but I am not posting company keys and no one is the wiser.
I will have to reset office 2010 and maybe other keys on ms support and such but it may be the way to go.
It does appear that www.cheapaussiesoftware.com where I get some stuff has office volumes they sell off piecemeal.
You can still buy office 2007 for round 200 bucks.
In fact the only full prices are the latest versions.
I am seriously thinking of either 2010 or 2007 if I have to buy.
I don't need the latest I do wish we had an office program that worked though that was not ms.
I don't use tables, in fact the only reason I use jarte is to read incoming doc docx or rtf documents.
Jarte is a liteweight word processer based on the wordpad engine, its not office it states this.
I mostly use html, audio and other things.
The nature of my work though does not involve an office app.
Now if only libre or openoffice can work without hassle because I was really hoping I could go for either of those packages.
Right now I could probably go for a new version of office but thats assuming its only 2-300 bucks so it will have to be cracked, old or just not new.
That assumes that something like an external hdd doesn't break or something.
As of now, one of my phone units is on the way out, I am looking to a range of between 70 to 20 dollars, so thats potentially 100 bucks I can't use for things.
And while I have forked out on small things like a few games and music things, I need to fork out cash for one of the networked workstations.
I have just this year forked out cash on 2 drives that died and a new keyboard.
I fell into that trap last year when my phone died as well as another drive which itself then died promptly after I got it.
I also need to update one of my hubs because the hardware on my wrig just doesn't have the power to run with the full use of the hub.
Living at home does help and will help for a bit but I really want to avoid core upgrades, its one reason I have not moved from win10 just yet but who knows if and when I get my laptop, I may spend the oem cost to get a key for the unit's whatever office its got loaded.
I realise it will be firmware tied but oh well that may be better than nothing.

On 17/09/2016 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Symphony was the core code which libra and Open are based around as far
as I know.
Jarte has issues with tables.
I recently was sent tabular word doc and it ended up as one big lump of
text, which in some ways is fine, but I hate to imagine what that might
look like when printed out in Jarte.


Believe it or not even word 2002 seems to work in windows 10 as long as
you put sp 3 in as well.


I said this before. I personally feel that Microsoft makes changes for
changes sake in office suites. OK the newer file formats can be useful
but to me they are just a bolt on and ribbon menus were a step back for
people who want to work logically from hierarchical menus.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice?


Hmmm I really wish those things worked together.
The way office is going, its causing loads of issues, the best version
seems to be 2007 or 2010 as long as you don't have to uninstall it.
I have jarte for a wordprocesser.
I am unsure but there was a program called lotus symphony, true thats
not developed anymore but if that works well.



On 16/09/2016 11:25 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.io wrote:
Hi,


For my use, OpenOffice is even worse than LibreOffice.

It appears that those suites and NVDA have some form of incompatibility
because when used together, both become unstable.

In LibreOffice, working with a very complex spreadsheet for some time
causes NVDA to stop talking (using F2 to reestablish things don't work).

In some cases, Calc totally stops responding.

Calculations with very large chunks of data (as adding cells of wntire
columns become VERY SLOW).

Change spreadsheets with PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP have strange results:
instead of speaking the name of the spreadsheet, sometimes NVDA becomes
mute.

NVDA+SPACE don't work.

And so on...

I used MS Office some time ago in a friend computer and was amazed how
well NVDA and MS suite function together, but I can't afford buying
Office :(



Em 16/09/2016 05:29, Brian's Mail list account escreveu:
I'm a bit out of touch, but does Libra and Open Office still have the
read whole document issue with nvda?
Ie it will stop before theend.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.io"
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice?


no, these days are long gone.

On 15/09/2016 17:22, Dan Beaver wrote:
Does OpenOffice not need Java accessbridge now?


It used to and I found it less than reliable.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver










.


Re: OpenOffice?

Ian Blackburn
 

Yes it has text formatting features including headings in bold et cetera
Regards Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Sep 2016, at 5:01 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@...> wrote:

I've thought about switching to Jarte, but I don't know if it has formatting features, like bold, italics and all that.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Hmmm I really wish those things worked together.
The way office is going, its causing loads of issues, the best version seems to be 2007 or 2010 as long as you don't have to uninstall it.
I have jarte for a wordprocesser.
I am unsure but there was a program called lotus symphony, true thats not developed anymore but if that works well.




On 16/09/2016 11:25 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.io wrote:
            Hi,


For my use, OpenOffice is even worse than LibreOffice.

It appears that those suites and NVDA have some form of incompatibility
because when used together, both become unstable.

In LibreOffice, working with a very complex spreadsheet for some time
causes NVDA to stop talking (using F2 to reestablish things don't work).

In some cases, Calc totally stops responding.

Calculations with very large chunks of data (as adding cells of wntire
columns become VERY SLOW).

Change spreadsheets with PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP have strange results:
instead of speaking the name of the spreadsheet, sometimes NVDA becomes
mute.

NVDA+SPACE don't work.

And so on...

I used MS Office some time ago in a friend computer and was amazed how
well NVDA and MS suite function together, but I can't afford buying
Office :(



Em 16/09/2016 05:29, Brian's Mail list account escreveu:
I'm a bit out of touch, but does Libra and Open Office still have the
read whole document issue with nvda?
Ie it will stop before theend.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.io"
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice?


no,   these days are long gone.

On 15/09/2016 17:22, Dan Beaver wrote:
Does OpenOffice not need Java accessbridge now?


It used to and I found it less than reliable.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver




















Re: Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of Windows 10 App Essentials

Devin Prater
 

I think we should have both, as I prefer text as I can read at high speed and just get the content, rather than listening to an introduction, and not being able to just consume the pure content.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Paulius <paulius.leveris@...> wrote:
I fully agree with an audio tutoriel. I think tutoriels on text are
not so comfortable to read and understand what's covered their. So, in
my opinion, an audio tutoriel for that would be fine solution!
Sincerely,
Paulius Leveris

2016-09-17 11:41 GMT+03:00, Brian's Mail list account
<bglists@...>:
> I am finding a combined approach to tutorials more useful than a totally
> textual or totally audio one.
>  Some of the complex concepts are best explained with  textual  examples,
> while just basic descriptions are better in text.
>  I'm not sure how one would marry up such a presentation though.
>  This universal apps approach  seems a new thing to me. I would suggest that
>
> its another buzz phrase invented by Microsoft to try to get everyone to work
>
> in the same way, which is no bad thing, but people who write software often
>
> work how they want to causing  some parts of their software to work for us,
>
> and others not to.
>  Also things may be universal this year, but companies do tend to  change
> the goalposts  quite often as we know only too well.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 5:53 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of Windows 10
>
> App Essentials
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> As Windows 10 is being deployed around the world and universal apps are
>> becoming more prominent, I thought it would be best to produce an audio
>> overview of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on and to talk about what it
>> takes
>> to write app modules for universal apps. So I'd like to receive feedback
>> on
>> the following outline:
>>
>>
>>
>> *         Title: Dive into the world of Windows 10, UIA and universal
>> apps
>>
>> *         Description: an audio tutorial providing essential information
>> on
>> Windows 10, UI Automation (UIA) and what it takes to make universal apps
>> accessible and create app modules for them, using Windows 10 App
>> Essentials
>> add-on as a blueprint.
>>
>>
>>
>> Topics:
>>
>> 1.       Windows 10 overview
>>
>> 2.       What are universal apps and a brief overview of Universal
>> Windows
>> Platform
>>
>> 3.       A crash course on UI Automation
>>
>> 4.       Your first app module for a UWP app
>>
>> 5.       Scenario 1: wrong labels for controls
>>
>> 6.       Scenario 2: locating objects
>>
>> 7.       Scenario 3: Events and custom routines
>>
>> 8.       Tips and recommendations to make universal apps accessible
>>
>>
>>
>> The tutorial assumes:
>>
>> 1.       Windows 10 versions 1511 and 1607 (I'll briefly cover version
>> 1507).
>>
>> 2.       Knowledge of NVDA, especially NVDA 2016 series.
>>
>> 3.       Familiarity with object navigation.
>>
>> 4.       Experience with creating app modules and/or working with UIA
>> controls are recommended.
>>
>>
>>
>> Objectives:
>>
>> 1.       Be able to explain the following terms: Windows 10, universal
>> apps,
>> Universal Windows Platform, Windows Store, UI Automation, app module,
>> object
>> navigation.
>>
>> 2.       Learn to advocate for accessibility of universal apps.
>>
>> 3.       Learn to navigate and use universal apps more effectively.
>>
>> 4.       Learn to create app modules for universal apps (if desired).
>>
>> 5.       Understand the impact of code changes and advocacy on
>> accessibility
>> of a platform.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm also willing to host an online-based strategy meeting in October
>> regarding the above topics.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks. Comments are appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of Windows 10 App Essentials

 

I fully agree with an audio tutoriel. I think tutoriels on text are
not so comfortable to read and understand what's covered their. So, in
my opinion, an audio tutoriel for that would be fine solution!
Sincerely,
Paulius Leveris

2016-09-17 11:41 GMT+03:00, Brian's Mail list account
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>:

I am finding a combined approach to tutorials more useful than a totally
textual or totally audio one.
Some of the complex concepts are best explained with textual examples,
while just basic descriptions are better in text.
I'm not sure how one would marry up such a presentation though.
This universal apps approach seems a new thing to me. I would suggest that

its another buzz phrase invented by Microsoft to try to get everyone to work

in the same way, which is no bad thing, but people who write software often

work how they want to causing some parts of their software to work for us,

and others not to.
Also things may be universal this year, but companies do tend to change
the goalposts quite often as we know only too well.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 5:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of Windows 10

App Essentials


Hi everyone,



As Windows 10 is being deployed around the world and universal apps are
becoming more prominent, I thought it would be best to produce an audio
overview of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on and to talk about what it
takes
to write app modules for universal apps. So I'd like to receive feedback
on
the following outline:



* Title: Dive into the world of Windows 10, UIA and universal
apps

* Description: an audio tutorial providing essential information
on
Windows 10, UI Automation (UIA) and what it takes to make universal apps
accessible and create app modules for them, using Windows 10 App
Essentials
add-on as a blueprint.



Topics:

1. Windows 10 overview

2. What are universal apps and a brief overview of Universal
Windows
Platform

3. A crash course on UI Automation

4. Your first app module for a UWP app

5. Scenario 1: wrong labels for controls

6. Scenario 2: locating objects

7. Scenario 3: Events and custom routines

8. Tips and recommendations to make universal apps accessible



The tutorial assumes:

1. Windows 10 versions 1511 and 1607 (I'll briefly cover version
1507).

2. Knowledge of NVDA, especially NVDA 2016 series.

3. Familiarity with object navigation.

4. Experience with creating app modules and/or working with UIA
controls are recommended.



Objectives:

1. Be able to explain the following terms: Windows 10, universal
apps,
Universal Windows Platform, Windows Store, UI Automation, app module,
object
navigation.

2. Learn to advocate for accessibility of universal apps.

3. Learn to navigate and use universal apps more effectively.

4. Learn to create app modules for universal apps (if desired).

5. Understand the impact of code changes and advocacy on
accessibility
of a platform.



I'm also willing to host an online-based strategy meeting in October
regarding the above topics.



Thanks. Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph





Re: OpenOffice?

Devin Prater
 

I've thought about switching to Jarte, but I don't know if it has formatting features, like bold, italics and all that.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Hmmm I really wish those things worked together.
The way office is going, its causing loads of issues, the best version seems to be 2007 or 2010 as long as you don't have to uninstall it.
I have jarte for a wordprocesser.
I am unsure but there was a program called lotus symphony, true thats not developed anymore but if that works well.




On 16/09/2016 11:25 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.io wrote:
            Hi,


For my use, OpenOffice is even worse than LibreOffice.

It appears that those suites and NVDA have some form of incompatibility
because when used together, both become unstable.

In LibreOffice, working with a very complex spreadsheet for some time
causes NVDA to stop talking (using F2 to reestablish things don't work).

In some cases, Calc totally stops responding.

Calculations with very large chunks of data (as adding cells of wntire
columns become VERY SLOW).

Change spreadsheets with PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP have strange results:
instead of speaking the name of the spreadsheet, sometimes NVDA becomes
mute.

NVDA+SPACE don't work.

And so on...

I used MS Office some time ago in a friend computer and was amazed how
well NVDA and MS suite function together, but I can't afford buying
Office :(



Em 16/09/2016 05:29, Brian's Mail list account escreveu:
I'm a bit out of touch, but does Libra and Open Office still have the
read whole document issue with nvda?
Ie it will stop before theend.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.io"
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice?


no,   these days are long gone.

On 15/09/2016 17:22, Dan Beaver wrote:
Does OpenOffice not need Java accessbridge now?


It used to and I found it less than reliable.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver




















Re: OpenOffice?

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Symphony was the core code which libra and Open are based around as far as I know.
Jarte has issues with tables.
I recently was sent tabular word doc and it ended up as one big lump of text, which in some ways is fine, but I hate to imagine what that might look like when printed out in Jarte.


Believe it or not even word 2002 seems to work in windows 10 as long as you put sp 3 in as well.


I said this before. I personally feel that Microsoft makes changes for changes sake in office suites. OK the newer file formats can be useful but to me they are just a bolt on and ribbon menus were a step back for people who want to work logically from hierarchical menus.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice?


Hmmm I really wish those things worked together.
The way office is going, its causing loads of issues, the best version seems to be 2007 or 2010 as long as you don't have to uninstall it.
I have jarte for a wordprocesser.
I am unsure but there was a program called lotus symphony, true thats not developed anymore but if that works well.



On 16/09/2016 11:25 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.io wrote:
Hi,


For my use, OpenOffice is even worse than LibreOffice.

It appears that those suites and NVDA have some form of incompatibility
because when used together, both become unstable.

In LibreOffice, working with a very complex spreadsheet for some time
causes NVDA to stop talking (using F2 to reestablish things don't work).

In some cases, Calc totally stops responding.

Calculations with very large chunks of data (as adding cells of wntire
columns become VERY SLOW).

Change spreadsheets with PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP have strange results:
instead of speaking the name of the spreadsheet, sometimes NVDA becomes
mute.

NVDA+SPACE don't work.

And so on...

I used MS Office some time ago in a friend computer and was amazed how
well NVDA and MS suite function together, but I can't afford buying
Office :(



Em 16/09/2016 05:29, Brian's Mail list account escreveu:
I'm a bit out of touch, but does Libra and Open Office still have the
read whole document issue with nvda?
Ie it will stop before theend.
Brian

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no, these days are long gone.

On 15/09/2016 17:22, Dan Beaver wrote:
Does OpenOffice not need Java accessbridge now?


It used to and I found it less than reliable.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver








Re: Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of Windows 10 App Essentials

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I am finding a combined approach to tutorials more useful than a totally textual or totally audio one.
Some of the complex concepts are best explained with textual examples, while just basic descriptions are better in text.
I'm not sure how one would marry up such a presentation though.
This universal apps approach seems a new thing to me. I would suggest that its another buzz phrase invented by Microsoft to try to get everyone to work in the same way, which is no bad thing, but people who write software often work how they want to causing some parts of their software to work for us, and others not to.
Also things may be universal this year, but companies do tend to change the goalposts quite often as we know only too well.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 5:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of Windows 10 App Essentials


Hi everyone,



As Windows 10 is being deployed around the world and universal apps are
becoming more prominent, I thought it would be best to produce an audio
overview of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on and to talk about what it takes
to write app modules for universal apps. So I'd like to receive feedback on
the following outline:



* Title: Dive into the world of Windows 10, UIA and universal apps

* Description: an audio tutorial providing essential information on
Windows 10, UI Automation (UIA) and what it takes to make universal apps
accessible and create app modules for them, using Windows 10 App Essentials
add-on as a blueprint.



Topics:

1. Windows 10 overview

2. What are universal apps and a brief overview of Universal Windows
Platform

3. A crash course on UI Automation

4. Your first app module for a UWP app

5. Scenario 1: wrong labels for controls

6. Scenario 2: locating objects

7. Scenario 3: Events and custom routines

8. Tips and recommendations to make universal apps accessible



The tutorial assumes:

1. Windows 10 versions 1511 and 1607 (I'll briefly cover version
1507).

2. Knowledge of NVDA, especially NVDA 2016 series.

3. Familiarity with object navigation.

4. Experience with creating app modules and/or working with UIA
controls are recommended.



Objectives:

1. Be able to explain the following terms: Windows 10, universal apps,
Universal Windows Platform, Windows Store, UI Automation, app module, object
navigation.

2. Learn to advocate for accessibility of universal apps.

3. Learn to navigate and use universal apps more effectively.

4. Learn to create app modules for universal apps (if desired).

5. Understand the impact of code changes and advocacy on accessibility
of a platform.



I'm also willing to host an online-based strategy meeting in October
regarding the above topics.



Thanks. Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: two questions.

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I have also seen the Windows Explore has stopped working as well, but from what I can gather both of these things happen in normal use by the sighted and hence my suspicion is that some other software is screwing it up. The worst case is when explorer goes without actually giving any warning resulting in silence. You cannot even reboot nvda as the shrotcuts on the desktop freeze as well. One then has two options. pressthe power button or go and make some tea and see if the fault protection decides to reboot explorer after some time. It can take minutes or just sit there.
Often reviewing the nvda log shows just frozen in stack errors during the silent times.


Funnily enough I've had less of this in 10 since I added a mod to use normal windows 7 menu bars, but that might just be a coincidence as the standard win 10 and nvda seems unable to tell you about updating installed reliably.

Windows 7 itself has these issues too, but as I do not use html 5 stuff much I'd not want to comment on if this is the issue.
In normal explorer the crash is normally due to one trying to be too fast with doing things.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] two questions.


Hi listers. two questions. first the harder one. I know on the newest NVDA update it says that it recognizes HTML 5 elements on internet explorer. I have noticed on both pandora and on blip FM the sites react with the space bar on items. for example on pandora I can now switch stations and shuffle all my stations on IE. but there is a problem with IE every so often the browser stops and you get that, Internet explorer has stopped working, “a problem” caused the program to stop working correctly. notice the words A problem in quotes. it doesn’t happen on chrome or firefox but even though chromes reads stations and the shuffle as clickable it says, “clickable clickable clickable shuffle,” the space, mouse button nore the enter key no response. Is NVDA not able to recognize the HTML elements on firefox and chrome or is there another thing I need to do. hit the incert minus and NVDA says move to focus but mouse button has no effect on it. any ideas. second I saw in blind bargains something that says take the NV access survey for new features? has that been posted here on list?


OT: Happy Software Freedom Day! A few words from RMS

Jacob Kruger
 

Free Software Foundation
Read online: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/happy-software-freedom-day-a-few-words-from-rms
Dear supporter,
Saturday, September 17th, 2016 is the thirteenth annual Software Freedom Day (SFD).
It's a great day to celebrate software freedom -- and to educate your friends and colleagues about the importance of free software. Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), has created a brief, informative video about why software freedom is important to all. Check it out, and share the video by posting about it on your blog, or microblog about the video with the hashtag #SFD (be sure to avoid nonfree software when you do). Thanks to free software community members Devin Ulibarri and Daniel Fitzmartin for editing this video.
There are more than 100 events planned for Software Freedom Day across the globe. Check out the map to find an event near you -- and if you're attending an SFD event, suggest that they show the video. Even if there isn't an event in your area, you can get inspired by exploring the resources on the Software Freedom Day website, as well as on the FSF and GNU Project websites.
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Re: Final reminder: NVDACon U.S. to take place on the 16th and 17th!

derek riemer
 

There's a schedule page if you go to schedule in the menu.


On 9/16/2016 9:18 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yo Derek. Where is the schedule page on said URL? Don't see one.


On 9/15/2016 1:13 PM, derek riemer wrote:

Dear NVDA community:

The North American regional conference for NVDA will take place tomorrow night and Saturday, online over teamtalk. Anyone and everyone is welcome, whether you're an avid NVDA user, or whether you have little or no experience with the free open source NVDA screen reader. This conference will include the following sessions:

* How NVDA is used by universities to test for web accessibility issues.

* a panel from three fine NVDA users using NVDA in various work and school settings,

* an open forum where you can talk to other NVDA users,

* A question and answer session where you can ask NVDA experts how to achieve things with Microsoft office,

* and last but not least: The keynote from the Lighthouse for the blind of San Fransisco!

Please visit our website, and check out what we have to offer! If you need help setting up the teamtalk client, Feel free to email us+owner@nvdacon.groups.io or for a quicker response, post an email to the NVDA users support list.
Our website is live at http://us-con.nvda-community.org/
I and the rest of the planning committee hope to see you there!
--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
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--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio
Awesome little hand built weather app!

email me at derek.riemer@...
Phone: (303) 906-2194


Re: OpenOffice?

 

Hmmm I really wish those things worked together.
The way office is going, its causing loads of issues, the best version seems to be 2007 or 2010 as long as you don't have to uninstall it.
I have jarte for a wordprocesser.
I am unsure but there was a program called lotus symphony, true thats not developed anymore but if that works well.

On 16/09/2016 11:25 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.io wrote:
Hi,


For my use, OpenOffice is even worse than LibreOffice.

It appears that those suites and NVDA have some form of incompatibility
because when used together, both become unstable.

In LibreOffice, working with a very complex spreadsheet for some time
causes NVDA to stop talking (using F2 to reestablish things don't work).

In some cases, Calc totally stops responding.

Calculations with very large chunks of data (as adding cells of wntire
columns become VERY SLOW).

Change spreadsheets with PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP have strange results:
instead of speaking the name of the spreadsheet, sometimes NVDA becomes
mute.

NVDA+SPACE don't work.

And so on...

I used MS Office some time ago in a friend computer and was amazed how
well NVDA and MS suite function together, but I can't afford buying
Office :(



Em 16/09/2016 05:29, Brian's Mail list account escreveu:
I'm a bit out of touch, but does Libra and Open Office still have the
read whole document issue with nvda?
Ie it will stop before theend.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.io"
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice?


no, these days are long gone.

On 15/09/2016 17:22, Dan Beaver wrote:
Does OpenOffice not need Java accessbridge now?


It used to and I found it less than reliable.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver








Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of Windows 10 App Essentials

 

Hi everyone,

 

As Windows 10 is being deployed around the world and universal apps are becoming more prominent, I thought it would be best to produce an audio overview of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on and to talk about what it takes to write app modules for universal apps. So I’d like to receive feedback on the following outline:

 

·         Title: Dive into the world of Windows 10, UIA and universal apps

·         Description: an audio tutorial providing essential information on Windows 10, UI Automation (UIA) and what it takes to make universal apps accessible and create app modules for them, using Windows 10 App Essentials add-on as a blueprint.

 

Topics:

1.       Windows 10 overview

2.       What are universal apps and a brief overview of Universal Windows Platform

3.       A crash course on UI Automation

4.       Your first app module for a UWP app

5.       Scenario 1: wrong labels for controls

6.       Scenario 2: locating objects

7.       Scenario 3: Events and custom routines

8.       Tips and recommendations to make universal apps accessible

 

The tutorial assumes:

1.       Windows 10 versions 1511 and 1607 (I’ll briefly cover version 1507).

2.       Knowledge of NVDA, especially NVDA 2016 series.

3.       Familiarity with object navigation.

4.       Experience with creating app modules and/or working with UIA controls are recommended.

 

Objectives:

1.       Be able to explain the following terms: Windows 10, universal apps, Universal Windows Platform, Windows Store, UI Automation, app module, object navigation.

2.       Learn to advocate for accessibility of universal apps.

3.       Learn to navigate and use universal apps more effectively.

4.       Learn to create app modules for universal apps (if desired).

5.       Understand the impact of code changes and advocacy on accessibility of a platform.

 

I’m also willing to host an online-based strategy meeting in October regarding the above topics.

 

Thanks. Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: send message dialog in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Pauline,


I found the checkbox for confirming shortcut keys so now I'm all set.


Rosemarie

On 9/16/2016 2:49 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:
This question has probably been answered already. Whenever I hit the Send message command (CTRL Enter), that dialogue asking if I want to send the message appears. That may be a default setting in my Thunderbird.


Pauline



On 9/15/2016 8:00 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


Just out of curiosity, where do I find the dialog that says "are you sure you want to send this message now"?


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie








Re: send message dialog in thunderbird

Roger Stewart
 

I never get anything like that unless I type in a key word like "attach" and mine just said it found a key word. Now when I send this, it will ask if I want to send this now or did I forget to add an attachment. This is the only time I get anything after hitting the send message command. There may very well be a setting that will put it into drafts or send as you choose, but I don't know where that might be as I've never used it.

Roger

On 9/16/2016 4:49 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:
This question has probably been answered already. Whenever I hit the Send message command (CTRL Enter), that dialogue asking if I want to send the message appears. That may be a default setting in my Thunderbird.


Pauline



On 9/15/2016 8:00 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


Just out of curiosity, where do I find the dialog that says "are you sure you want to send this message now"?


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie









Re: send message dialog in thunderbird

Pauline Smith
 

This question has probably been answered already. Whenever I hit the Send message command (CTRL Enter), that dialogue asking if I want to send the message appears. That may be a default setting in my Thunderbird.


Pauline

On 9/15/2016 8:00 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


Just out of curiosity, where do I find the dialog that says "are you sure you want to send this message now"?


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie