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GoToMeeting with NVDA

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

Would someone please give me some tips about using GoToMeeting with NVDA? I downloaded an accessibility document online, but what I get when activating a link to a meeting invitation doesn’t match what the document says.

 

Thanks so much,

 

Janet


Re: A suggestion about the NVDA update process

JM Casey
 

The UAC is your friend. If you ever see it come up when you don’t think it should, you are right to be suspicious. UAC appears when a programme wants to do something “out of bounds” of normal user processes…so no, it won’t protect you if, say, something installed wants to delete your documents folder, but it will try and alert you about the potential instalation of unwanted stuff in the first place.

When NVDA updates…just say yes.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 14, 2021 12:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A suggestion about the NVDA update process

 

I think people are too casual about disabling security utilities if they cause a small amount of inconvenience.  The whole point of UAC is that it makes it less likely that software will be installed on your machine even if you are careful.  You don’t necessarily have the ability to refuse unwanted software, such as malware.  Sites may have hacked third party advertising which may try to install it without user notice or intervention.  Is avoiding the slight inconvenience of having to use alt y when UAC comes up worth the much worse problems malware can cause?  Even if you have to alt tab to the window first, is avoiding that annoyance worth dealing with malware on your machine?

 

I’ve seen it claimed that UAC is easily evaded by malware designers.  That may be.  I’ve seen little discussion of that.  But even if it only prevents thirty or forty percent of installations, I’d gladdly have the small inconveniences it causes. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A suggestion about the NVDA update process

 

Oh, here's a trick that will make life easier for everyone. Disable UAC. Obviously you have to be careful about installing random stuff, but you should do that anyway.

On 7/13/2021 8:00 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

AFAIK, at least based on my experience - nothing has changed, it's just that sometimes (maybe based on running programs? or whether Mercury is retrograde?) - sometimes that user account control dialog that you need to acknowledge when installing or updating software, appears behind every other window and doesn't get focus.  More often than not it works fine for me and grabs focus when it appears though.

 

Actually I was surprised by the three hour wait - I thought that dialog timed out after about 20 seconds and automatically failed if you didn't acknowledge it.

 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 5:03 AM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi Group,

I can't remember when this started, but sometime in the past few years, i have been experiencing the same thing. It seems that for some reason, the (I guess it is called) runtime version of NVDA installer or whatever it's called, does not shift focus immediately to the Windows UAC console when you try installing a program that Windows is not sure of.

On 7/13/2021 1:37 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:

This is a suggestion relating to the NVDA updater, rather than NVDA itself, and it's a question really for the programmers behind that installer.

I started updating to NVDA 2021.1 on my Microsoft Surface Pro 4 tablet at about 1pm. At 3pm the progress beeps were still beeping and, assuming the update had hit a problem, I tried to abort the update but discovered there was no way to cancel the update.

Curious whether the update process would hang on my Dell laptop, I turned that on and was prompted that a new version of NVDA was available. I launched it and, immediately after the download had finished and I'd activated the Install button, I was taken to the Windows permissions prompt. And that is when I twigged that I'd not been taken to that on my tablet. When I returned to my tablet and Alt+Tabbed around the running programs , indeed the permissions promt was open, but I hadn't been taken to it, nor had I been notified it had opened and was expecting a response.

So my suggestion / question is whether there is any way that the progress beeps can be started only after the security button has been confirmed, rather than as soon as the Update button has been pressed. If the updater hadn't spent 2 hours beeping, then I wouldn't have thought it was doing something (or attempting to do something) as part of the update process.

The moment I found the security prompt and confirmed I wanted to go ahead with the installation, it completed within 30 seconds, as it usually does!

Just a thought :)

Giles



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Re: latest NVDA caps announcement

Gianluigi Coppelletti
 

Hi Sam,

my suggestion is probably too simple to work, but what about adding an entry to your Eloquence dictionary? The first CAP in upper case, and the word that should be spoken in lower case.

Good bye.

Gigi

Il 13/07/2021 13.59, Sam Bushman ha scritto:

My new upgrade says C A P and then the letter as well.

Would love to change this back to the old way.

Any suggestions are more than welcome over here.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

Thats strange, I dont know what setting would cause it to do that, but it does say cap here

 

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 13 July 2021 09:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

Instead of saying cap when the cursor reaches a capital letter it spells out "c a p" then pronounces the letter.

 


Re: Clip speak

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


thank you very much.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clip speak

I don’t know why it is not on the Community  add-ons page but the NVDA Global Commands Extension add-on add the ability to both detect and announce copy and paste and select, as far as I can see as well as Jaws does for NVDA in it s default  settings. So install that and the problem is sorted. I stopped using ClipSpeak ages ago.

It includes a host of other invaluable features as well.  I especially use the multiple level volume controls, quick access to speech history and system tray short cuts. It also adds a setting to enable NVDA, like Jaws, to loop around with single letter navigation to the top of web pages if no more elements are found. So if you press H for heading and there are no more headings it will announce that you are going back to the top of the page and find the first heading again for you.  The announcement makes this better than Jaws as you are clearly told what is happening. I find this particularly useful. This specific feature is not enabled by default  in Global Commands Extension and you have to enable it in settings.

The best way to learn all the host of available features is to hit NVDA plus J  which plays a tone to indicate that a layered series of commands have been enabled ,  a bit like Jaws plus spacebar.  Now hitting the H key will open all the available commands in a menu from which you can cursor up and down to easily run each command and at the same time learn the keyboard shortcuts for each command.   

I think it is a brilliant add-on and gets regularly updated through automatic notifications which come up in NVDA to invite update.

 

I have an older version of the actual add-on install but which the add on updated itself through NVDA to be compatible with the latest version. Presumably you will need the latest initial add on version to work in the latest NVDA. A web search should find it I think.

I will try and find it myself if no search can find it.

 

David Griffith



 

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From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 14 July 2021 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clip speak

 

I had the same thing.  I can only assume that it won't be updated.  I can't

cross-reference my list of existing add-ons, because I've removed all of the

add-ons that were marked as incompatible as recommended in an earlier

thread.

 

Louise

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Dictation Bridge NVDA Add-On

Quentin Christensen
 

I don't have an update, but just so you are aware, if you are using Dictation Bridge with Windows speech recognition, you can get that functionality with the the Windows App Essentials add-on: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/wintenApps.en.html

If you are using Dragon Dictate, you will need Dictation Bridge, but I don't have any info on the status of that add-on myself.  Hopefully, one of the developers of the add-on can share more.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:21 PM Deenadayalan Moodley <deenadayalan.moodley@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

Is there any news of an update to the dictation bridge nvda-addon?

 

Thanks.

 



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Re: Clip speak

David Griffith
 

I don’t know why it is not on the Community  add-ons page but the NVDA Global Commands Extension add-on add the ability to both detect and announce copy and paste and select, as far as I can see as well as Jaws does for NVDA in it s default  settings. So install that and the problem is sorted. I stopped using ClipSpeak ages ago.

It includes a host of other invaluable features as well.  I especially use the multiple level volume controls, quick access to speech history and system tray short cuts. It also adds a setting to enable NVDA, like Jaws, to loop around with single letter navigation to the top of web pages if no more elements are found. So if you press H for heading and there are no more headings it will announce that you are going back to the top of the page and find the first heading again for you.  The announcement makes this better than Jaws as you are clearly told what is happening. I find this particularly useful. This specific feature is not enabled by default  in Global Commands Extension and you have to enable it in settings.

The best way to learn all the host of available features is to hit NVDA plus J  which plays a tone to indicate that a layered series of commands have been enabled ,  a bit like Jaws plus spacebar.  Now hitting the H key will open all the available commands in a menu from which you can cursor up and down to easily run each command and at the same time learn the keyboard shortcuts for each command.   

I think it is a brilliant add-on and gets regularly updated through automatic notifications which come up in NVDA to invite update.

 

I have an older version of the actual add-on install but which the add on updated itself through NVDA to be compatible with the latest version. Presumably you will need the latest initial add on version to work in the latest NVDA. A web search should find it I think.

I will try and find it myself if no search can find it.

 

David Griffith



 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 14 July 2021 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clip speak

 

I had the same thing.  I can only assume that it won't be updated.  I can't

cross-reference my list of existing add-ons, because I've removed all of the

add-ons that were marked as incompatible as recommended in an earlier

thread.

 

Louise

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A suggestion about the NVDA update process

 

I've experienced that too, with the UAC getting thrown into the background.
Though alt+tabbing works, I also wonder whether the fact that UAC gets thrown into the background at times is a Windows issue or a NVDA issue.


locked Re: IBM TTS is not working in NVDA

 

I got my ones from atguys the sapi versions.

They are the cheapest pack to buy in fact they are the only cheap pack and they all work and they support 64 bit and all updates are for free.



On 14/07/2021 4:07 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
As Brian noted, illegal add-ons and cracked software are not allowed on the group, and not supported in any way.  If you wish to use Eloquence, then you need to pay for a license to use it - Nuance, who own Eloquence, are very strict on that.  You can purchase Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory: https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

They also have a SAPI5 version if you prefer.

If you are not able to purchase Eloquence, then you might try either the Windows OneCore voices, which are included in Windows 10 and used by NVDA by default, or eSpeak-NG, which comes with NVDA.  eSpeak-NG is popular for being very responsive and able to work at extremely high speech rates.  Windows OneCore is popular for being one of the more human-sounding synthesizers around.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:45 PM ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) <najafnaqvi471@...> wrote:
Hello! to all I am using nvda 20.1 in this version of nvda "IBM TTS" is not working please you can fix this problem thanks have A good day !!


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Re: A suggestion about the NVDA update process

Hope Williamson
 

Well if you run 3 ad blockers like me you probably won't have that problem. I'm not saying it won't happen, but it's fairly unlikely. I run 3 because Youtube ads were getting past uBlock origin. When I was looking for an Youtube ad blocker, I decided to install another general one. I know they work because every time a link mismatch happens with TTT for instance, they both come up and tell me that that particular bit.ly redirect is restricted. I use pretty much all the filters that are available in the extensions, so I try to block as much as possible. I even have to use private windows on some sites because they don't like my ad blockers. Mostly network TV sites.



On 7/13/2021 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:

I think people are too casual about disabling security utilities if they cause a small amount of inconvenience.  The whole point of UAC is that it makes it less likely that software will be installed on your machine even if you are careful.  You don’t necessarily have the ability to refuse unwanted software, such as malware.  Sites may have hacked third party advertising which may try to install it without user notice or intervention.  Is avoiding the slight inconvenience of having to use alt y when UAC comes up worth the much worse problems malware can cause?  Even if you have to alt tab to the window first, is avoiding that annoyance worth dealing with malware on your machine?
 
I’ve seen it claimed that UAC is easily evaded by malware designers.  That may be.  I’ve seen little discussion of that.  But even if it only prevents thirty or forty percent of installations, I’d gladdly have the small inconveniences it causes. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A suggestion about the NVDA update process
 

Oh, here's a trick that will make life easier for everyone. Disable UAC. Obviously you have to be careful about installing random stuff, but you should do that anyway.

On 7/13/2021 8:00 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
AFAIK, at least based on my experience - nothing has changed, it's just that sometimes (maybe based on running programs? or whether Mercury is retrograde?) - sometimes that user account control dialog that you need to acknowledge when installing or updating software, appears behind every other window and doesn't get focus.  More often than not it works fine for me and grabs focus when it appears though.
 
Actually I was surprised by the three hour wait - I thought that dialog timed out after about 20 seconds and automatically failed if you didn't acknowledge it.
 
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 5:03 AM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Group,

I can't remember when this started, but sometime in the past few years, i have been experiencing the same thing. It seems that for some reason, the (I guess it is called) runtime version of NVDA installer or whatever it's called, does not shift focus immediately to the Windows UAC console when you try installing a program that Windows is not sure of.


On 7/13/2021 1:37 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
This is a suggestion relating to the NVDA updater, rather than NVDA itself, and it's a question really for the programmers behind that installer.

I started updating to NVDA 2021.1 on my Microsoft Surface Pro 4 tablet at about 1pm. At 3pm the progress beeps were still beeping and, assuming the update had hit a problem, I tried to abort the update but discovered there was no way to cancel the update.

Curious whether the update process would hang on my Dell laptop, I turned that on and was prompted that a new version of NVDA was available. I launched it and, immediately after the download had finished and I'd activated the Install button, I was taken to the Windows permissions prompt. And that is when I twigged that I'd not been taken to that on my tablet. When I returned to my tablet and Alt+Tabbed around the running programs , indeed the permissions promt was open, but I hadn't been taken to it, nor had I been notified it had opened and was expecting a response.

So my suggestion / question is whether there is any way that the progress beeps can be started only after the security button has been confirmed, rather than as soon as the Update button has been pressed. If the updater hadn't spent 2 hours beeping, then I wouldn't have thought it was doing something (or attempting to do something) as part of the update process.

The moment I found the security prompt and confirmed I wanted to go ahead with the installation, it completed within 30 seconds, as it usually does!

Just a thought :)

Giles

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Re: In NVDA, most Microsoft OneCore voices are the same voice for me.

Hope Williamson
 

Mine's around 40% with rate boost, when I use one core. I can get eloquence up to 80%

On 7/13/2021 9:21 PM, John Isige wrote:

Modern NVDA has a rate boost for them. If you're one of the crazy people who cranks things up super fast I guess it might not be fast enough for you, but it's pretty gabbly at 100 with rate boost on. I generally have Eloquence at 75, this is the Code Factory SAPI 5 version, and OneCore at 40 or 45 with rate boost on. That works fine for me.


On 7/13/2021 9:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:45 PM, Gene wrote:
You can speed them up but others will have to discuss that.
-
And it has been discussed, in depth, multiple times.

The easiest way is to increase the rate to 100% under Windows, then you can "further increase" it using NVDA's settings.  I know that someone has written about getting into OneCore Voice internals and how to tweak those  to get an even more radical increase in speed, but I can't seem to find that now.

Sarah Alawami mentioned the above technique here:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/59349 
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Dictation Bridge NVDA Add-On

Deenadayalan Moodley
 

Hi,

 

Is there any news of an update to the dictation bridge nvda-addon?

 

Thanks.

 


Re: A suggestion about the NVDA update process

Monte Single
 

Hi Quinton and List,

 

I have experienced the UAC in background problem  in various instances.

Who knows why it slips to the background.

I have just learned to alt tab to it if it does not come to focus when I expect it to.

 

Cheers,

 

Monte

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: July 13, 2021 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A suggestion about the NVDA update process

 

AFAIK, at least based on my experience - nothing has changed, it's just that sometimes (maybe based on running programs? or whether Mercury is retrograde?) - sometimes that user account control dialog that you need to acknowledge when installing or updating software, appears behind every other window and doesn't get focus.  More often than not it works fine for me and grabs focus when it appears though.

 

Actually I was surprised by the three hour wait - I thought that dialog timed out after about 20 seconds and automatically failed if you didn't acknowledge it.

 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 5:03 AM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi Group,

I can't remember when this started, but sometime in the past few years, i have been experiencing the same thing. It seems that for some reason, the (I guess it is called) runtime version of NVDA installer or whatever it's called, does not shift focus immediately to the Windows UAC console when you try installing a program that Windows is not sure of.

On 7/13/2021 1:37 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:

This is a suggestion relating to the NVDA updater, rather than NVDA itself, and it's a question really for the programmers behind that installer.

I started updating to NVDA 2021.1 on my Microsoft Surface Pro 4 tablet at about 1pm. At 3pm the progress beeps were still beeping and, assuming the update had hit a problem, I tried to abort the update but discovered there was no way to cancel the update.

Curious whether the update process would hang on my Dell laptop, I turned that on and was prompted that a new version of NVDA was available. I launched it and, immediately after the download had finished and I'd activated the Install button, I was taken to the Windows permissions prompt. And that is when I twigged that I'd not been taken to that on my tablet. When I returned to my tablet and Alt+Tabbed around the running programs , indeed the permissions promt was open, but I hadn't been taken to it, nor had I been notified it had opened and was expecting a response.

So my suggestion / question is whether there is any way that the progress beeps can be started only after the security button has been confirmed, rather than as soon as the Update button has been pressed. If the updater hadn't spent 2 hours beeping, then I wouldn't have thought it was doing something (or attempting to do something) as part of the update process.

The moment I found the security prompt and confirmed I wanted to go ahead with the installation, it completed within 30 seconds, as it usually does!

Just a thought :)

Giles



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Re: A suggestion about the NVDA update process

Gene
 

I think people are too casual about disabling security utilities if they cause a small amount of inconvenience.  The whole point of UAC is that it makes it less likely that software will be installed on your machine even if you are careful.  You don’t necessarily have the ability to refuse unwanted software, such as malware.  Sites may have hacked third party advertising which may try to install it without user notice or intervention.  Is avoiding the slight inconvenience of having to use alt y when UAC comes up worth the much worse problems malware can cause?  Even if you have to alt tab to the window first, is avoiding that annoyance worth dealing with malware on your machine?
 
I’ve seen it claimed that UAC is easily evaded by malware designers.  That may be.  I’ve seen little discussion of that.  But even if it only prevents thirty or forty percent of installations, I’d gladdly have the small inconveniences it causes. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A suggestion about the NVDA update process
 

Oh, here's a trick that will make life easier for everyone. Disable UAC. Obviously you have to be careful about installing random stuff, but you should do that anyway.

On 7/13/2021 8:00 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
AFAIK, at least based on my experience - nothing has changed, it's just that sometimes (maybe based on running programs? or whether Mercury is retrograde?) - sometimes that user account control dialog that you need to acknowledge when installing or updating software, appears behind every other window and doesn't get focus.  More often than not it works fine for me and grabs focus when it appears though.
 
Actually I was surprised by the three hour wait - I thought that dialog timed out after about 20 seconds and automatically failed if you didn't acknowledge it.
 
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 5:03 AM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Group,

I can't remember when this started, but sometime in the past few years, i have been experiencing the same thing. It seems that for some reason, the (I guess it is called) runtime version of NVDA installer or whatever it's called, does not shift focus immediately to the Windows UAC console when you try installing a program that Windows is not sure of.


On 7/13/2021 1:37 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
This is a suggestion relating to the NVDA updater, rather than NVDA itself, and it's a question really for the programmers behind that installer.

I started updating to NVDA 2021.1 on my Microsoft Surface Pro 4 tablet at about 1pm. At 3pm the progress beeps were still beeping and, assuming the update had hit a problem, I tried to abort the update but discovered there was no way to cancel the update.

Curious whether the update process would hang on my Dell laptop, I turned that on and was prompted that a new version of NVDA was available. I launched it and, immediately after the download had finished and I'd activated the Install button, I was taken to the Windows permissions prompt. And that is when I twigged that I'd not been taken to that on my tablet. When I returned to my tablet and Alt+Tabbed around the running programs , indeed the permissions promt was open, but I hadn't been taken to it, nor had I been notified it had opened and was expecting a response.

So my suggestion / question is whether there is any way that the progress beeps can be started only after the security button has been confirmed, rather than as soon as the Update button has been pressed. If the updater hadn't spent 2 hours beeping, then I wouldn't have thought it was doing something (or attempting to do something) as part of the update process.

The moment I found the security prompt and confirmed I wanted to go ahead with the installation, it completed within 30 seconds, as it usually does!

Just a thought :)

Giles

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Re: In NVDA, most Microsoft OneCore voices are the same voice for me.

John Isige
 

Modern NVDA has a rate boost for them. If you're one of the crazy people who cranks things up super fast I guess it might not be fast enough for you, but it's pretty gabbly at 100 with rate boost on. I generally have Eloquence at 75, this is the Code Factory SAPI 5 version, and OneCore at 40 or 45 with rate boost on. That works fine for me.


On 7/13/2021 9:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:45 PM, Gene wrote:
You can speed them up but others will have to discuss that.
-
And it has been discussed, in depth, multiple times.

The easiest way is to increase the rate to 100% under Windows, then you can "further increase" it using NVDA's settings.  I know that someone has written about getting into OneCore Voice internals and how to tweak those  to get an even more radical increase in speed, but I can't seem to find that now.

Sarah Alawami mentioned the above technique here:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/59349 
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Re: A suggestion about the NVDA update process

Hope Williamson
 

Oh, here's a trick that will make life easier for everyone. Disable UAC. Obviously you have to be careful about installing random stuff, but you should do that anyway.

On 7/13/2021 8:00 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
AFAIK, at least based on my experience - nothing has changed, it's just that sometimes (maybe based on running programs? or whether Mercury is retrograde?) - sometimes that user account control dialog that you need to acknowledge when installing or updating software, appears behind every other window and doesn't get focus.  More often than not it works fine for me and grabs focus when it appears though.

Actually I was surprised by the three hour wait - I thought that dialog timed out after about 20 seconds and automatically failed if you didn't acknowledge it.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 5:03 AM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Group,

I can't remember when this started, but sometime in the past few years, i have been experiencing the same thing. It seems that for some reason, the (I guess it is called) runtime version of NVDA installer or whatever it's called, does not shift focus immediately to the Windows UAC console when you try installing a program that Windows is not sure of.


On 7/13/2021 1:37 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
This is a suggestion relating to the NVDA updater, rather than NVDA itself, and it's a question really for the programmers behind that installer.

I started updating to NVDA 2021.1 on my Microsoft Surface Pro 4 tablet at about 1pm. At 3pm the progress beeps were still beeping and, assuming the update had hit a problem, I tried to abort the update but discovered there was no way to cancel the update.

Curious whether the update process would hang on my Dell laptop, I turned that on and was prompted that a new version of NVDA was available. I launched it and, immediately after the download had finished and I'd activated the Install button, I was taken to the Windows permissions prompt. And that is when I twigged that I'd not been taken to that on my tablet. When I returned to my tablet and Alt+Tabbed around the running programs , indeed the permissions promt was open, but I hadn't been taken to it, nor had I been notified it had opened and was expecting a response.

So my suggestion / question is whether there is any way that the progress beeps can be started only after the security button has been confirmed, rather than as soon as the Update button has been pressed. If the updater hadn't spent 2 hours beeping, then I wouldn't have thought it was doing something (or attempting to do something) as part of the update process.

The moment I found the security prompt and confirmed I wanted to go ahead with the installation, it completed within 30 seconds, as it usually does!

Just a thought :)

Giles

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locked Re: IBM TTS is not working in NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

As Brian noted, illegal add-ons and cracked software are not allowed on the group, and not supported in any way.  If you wish to use Eloquence, then you need to pay for a license to use it - Nuance, who own Eloquence, are very strict on that.  You can purchase Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory: https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

They also have a SAPI5 version if you prefer.

If you are not able to purchase Eloquence, then you might try either the Windows OneCore voices, which are included in Windows 10 and used by NVDA by default, or eSpeak-NG, which comes with NVDA.  eSpeak-NG is popular for being very responsive and able to work at extremely high speech rates.  Windows OneCore is popular for being one of the more human-sounding synthesizers around.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:45 PM ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) <najafnaqvi471@...> wrote:
Hello! to all I am using nvda 20.1 in this version of nvda "IBM TTS" is not working please you can fix this problem thanks have A good day !!



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locked Re: IBM TTS is not working in NVDA

 

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locked IBM TTS is not working in NVDA

 

Hello! to all I am using nvda 20.1 in this version of nvda "IBM TTS" is not working please you can fix this problem thanks have A good day !!


Re: latest NVDA caps announcement

Sam Bushman
 

I have already emailed there support about this.

Thank you sir,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 9:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

This definitely sounds like an issue with the Code Factory voices - I would definitely let them know - at the very least, they might say "Oh yes, that's deliberate", but most likely, they will be able to look into it for you.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:16 AM <benmoxey@...> wrote:

Hi everyone

 

I use the standard SAPI 5 version of Eloquence, as opposed to the NVDA plug-in so I can also use it with Narrator etc.

 

I can confirm that this has been an on-going issue when running Narrator using the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence, even when you have it set to change pitch, rather than announce cap.

 

The cap announcement when using the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence with NVDA 2000.4 is working as expected.

 

The cap announcement when running the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence with NVDA 2021.1 is saying “c a p” before the letter.

 

Hope this is helpful.


Cheers


ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2021 11:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

This is such unexpected behavior that it must be.  If you are debating reporting it, I think it is a good idea.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

I agree, however don’t want to claim a bug unless we are sure about that.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 7:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

it doesn’t seem likely but maybe someone will find something. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 7:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

I mean a setting in the Code Factory plugin – maybe a new setting in the new build?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

If you mean a setting in NVDA, I think the only thing you can do is use pitch, as you are doing. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

Hi Quentin,

 

Ok, I disabled all other add-ons and only had code factory add-on enabled and the problem is still there.

I enabled all other add-ons and disabled the code factory add-on and my system switched to the One Core Voices and worked perfectly.

 

I am convinced either there is a bug in the new Code Factory add-on for eloquence or a setting needs to be reset to resolve.

 

I will keep working on this to see what changes might help.

 

In the mean time I unchecked say caps and am using pitch instead until this is resolved.

 

Thanks,
Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 2:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

Have you tried restarting the PC.  If that doesn't work, try restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled and see if that makes a difference.  Next, try changing the synthesizer.  Also, which synthesizer are you using now?

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:04 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

Instead of saying cap when the cursor reaches a capital letter it spells out "c a p" then pronounces the letter.


 

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


 

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: latest NVDA caps announcement

Quentin Christensen
 

This definitely sounds like an issue with the Code Factory voices - I would definitely let them know - at the very least, they might say "Oh yes, that's deliberate", but most likely, they will be able to look into it for you.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:16 AM <benmoxey@...> wrote:

Hi everyone

 

I use the standard SAPI 5 version of Eloquence, as opposed to the NVDA plug-in so I can also use it with Narrator etc.

 

I can confirm that this has been an on-going issue when running Narrator using the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence, even when you have it set to change pitch, rather than announce cap.

 

The cap announcement when using the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence with NVDA 2000.4 is working as expected.

 

The cap announcement when running the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence with NVDA 2021.1 is saying “c a p” before the letter.

 

Hope this is helpful.


Cheers


ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2021 11:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

This is such unexpected behavior that it must be.  If you are debating reporting it, I think it is a good idea.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

I agree, however don’t want to claim a bug unless we are sure about that.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 7:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

it doesn’t seem likely but maybe someone will find something. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 7:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

I mean a setting in the Code Factory plugin – maybe a new setting in the new build?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

If you mean a setting in NVDA, I think the only thing you can do is use pitch, as you are doing. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

Hi Quentin,

 

Ok, I disabled all other add-ons and only had code factory add-on enabled and the problem is still there.

I enabled all other add-ons and disabled the code factory add-on and my system switched to the One Core Voices and worked perfectly.

 

I am convinced either there is a bug in the new Code Factory add-on for eloquence or a setting needs to be reset to resolve.

 

I will keep working on this to see what changes might help.

 

In the mean time I unchecked say caps and am using pitch instead until this is resolved.

 

Thanks,
Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 2:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

Have you tried restarting the PC.  If that doesn't work, try restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled and see if that makes a difference.  Next, try changing the synthesizer.  Also, which synthesizer are you using now?

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:04 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

Instead of saying cap when the cursor reaches a capital letter it spells out "c a p" then pronounces the letter.


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 



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Training and Support Manager

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