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firefox and the latest nvda not working?

Anouk Radix
 

Hello, I wonder if anyone else is having issues with firefox and nvda?

I can't get it to work anymore using the newest versions.

Thanks for any advice

Greetings, Anoukk,


disabling internal speech in chrome?

Anouk Radix
 

Hello everyone, I just installed chrome for the first time and at first glance it seems to work well with nvda. But ithas some weird internal speech that i dont want to use.

I can go to settings and even to advanced but when I want to go accessebility I cant seem to select it.

I only get the downloads page.

I thought since edge is based on chromium now as well that it would work.

Any advice?

Thanks,

Greetings, Anouk,


How does NVDA recognize table header from untagged pdf

harsh@...
 

I had a doubt regarding table headers, How does NVDA know the table headers of complex tables if they are not defined in pdf structure.

For structured pdf, tags aid for recognizing the headers, but even when they aren't present, NVDA correctly picked headers!!
 
Any explanation on how parsing or code works is welcome


Re: Clip speak

Bobby
 

Hay I would like this add on.  Can you please tell us how to get the add on when you find it?

On 7/14/2021 10:40 AM, tim wrote:

That page is as useless as most of the add ons.

On 7/14/2021 4:19 AM, David Griffith wrote:

I don’t know why it is not on the Community  add-ons page but the NVDA Global Commands Extension add-on add the ability to both detect and announce copy and paste and select, as far as I can see as well as Jaws does for NVDA in it s default  settings. So install that and the problem is sorted. I stopped using ClipSpeak ages ago.

It includes a host of other invaluable features as well.  I especially use the multiple level volume controls, quick access to speech history and system tray short cuts. It also adds a setting to enable NVDA, like Jaws, to loop around with single letter navigation to the top of web pages if no more elements are found. So if you press H for heading and there are no more headings it will announce that you are going back to the top of the page and find the first heading again for you.  The announcement makes this better than Jaws as you are clearly told what is happening. I find this particularly useful. This specific feature is not enabled by default  in Global Commands Extension and you have to enable it in settings.

The best way to learn all the host of available features is to hit NVDA plus J  which plays a tone to indicate that a layered series of commands have been enabled ,  a bit like Jaws plus spacebar.  Now hitting the H key will open all the available commands in a menu from which you can cursor up and down to easily run each command and at the same time learn the keyboard shortcuts for each command.   

I think it is a brilliant add-on and gets regularly updated through automatic notifications which come up in NVDA to invite update.

 

I have an older version of the actual add-on install but which the add on updated itself through NVDA to be compatible with the latest version. Presumably you will need the latest initial add on version to work in the latest NVDA. A web search should find it I think.

I will try and find it myself if no search can find it.

 

David Griffith



 

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From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 14 July 2021 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clip speak

 

I had the same thing.  I can only assume that it won't be updated.  I can't

cross-reference my list of existing add-ons, because I've removed all of the

add-ons that were marked as incompatible as recommended in an earlier

thread.

 

Louise

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

Pamela Dominguez
 

Window eyes has a driver for it.  You can choose it in speech synthesizers, and it starts to talk.  Pam.
 

From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda
 

You probably need a driver for it.  This computer I have doesn’t support the thing that needs a serial port. That’s why I’m glad mine died!  I don’t want the bother finding a place to get something where I can have it work.

 

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From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: July 12, 2021 1:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

I have a dec-talk express, which I have used with window eyes.

Unfortunately, when I hooked it up and tried to use it with this computer,

It works for about half a minute and cuts out.  But it still thinks it's

working.  Pam.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Howard Traxler

Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 12:11 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

 

Those old DECtalks were pretty big and were driven from a serial port

(RS232).  I have five of them that I have not tried with NVDA yet.  If

anyone would like one (or a couple) let me know,  We could come to a deal.

 

Howard

 

 

On 7/11/2021 3:34 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote:

> The  deck talk that sounded the best  was the one that was about as big as

> a flatbed scanner Version two it was

> On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:30 pm, Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@...>

> wrote:

>

> The hardware dick talk is USB driven it sounds okay but I haven’t used

> one for at least 10 or 11 years

> On 11 Jul 2021, at 4:24 pm, Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

>

> I am using dectalk with NVDA 20000-4

> and hopefully the add-on will be updated. Seems it was legal when I got

> it.

>

> Curtis Delzer

> HS

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> Rialto, CA

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> curtis@...

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> On 7/10/2021 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>> I also like decktalk and eloquence, I would pay for a decktlak add on if

>> one existed as well.

>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Micallef

>> Michael at FITA

>> *Sent:* Friday, July 9, 2021 7:07 PM

>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

>> I agree with Gene 100% the only dectalk version that is available is a

>> hardware based in a usb versio, and its not cheap and because I never

>> heard it I don’t know about its speech quality compared with the dectalk

>> of the venerable window-eyes.

>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene

>> via groups.io

>> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:01

>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

>> CAUTION:This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email

>> Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you

>> recognise the sender and know the content is safe.

>> As far as I know, there is no legal Dectalk add-on at least not one that

>> sounds at all like what would be expected.  I don’t know if it is

>> possible to purchase Dectalk as a stand alone synthesizer, such as a SAPI

>> 5 synthesizer, but I’ve never heard of that either.

>> You may be able to get more information about the legal ability to

>> purchase Dectalk with a search but I’ve been on this list since the

>> rather early days of NVDA, and I think there would have been information

>> on the list before this if there were a legal add-on, and a legal way to

>> ;purchase Dectalk, at least at anything like a reasonable price, given

>> the interest in Dectalk.

>> Years ago, someone who worked with Dectalk provided a legal version of

>> Dectalk but it was evidently very old and it sounded very different than

>> the Dectalk people expect.

>> Gene

>> -----Original Message-----

>> *From:*Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>

>> *Sent:*Friday, July 09, 2021 6:42 PM

>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] decktalk addon for nvda

>> I would like a decTalk addon that works with NVDA2021.1 as well, but I

>> prefer decTalk 4.41 through 4.6.

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Re: Clip speak

David Mehler
 

Hello David,

I'm not finding this addon, but am definitely interested in it. If
you've got a url that would be great or maybe the dev could put it on
the community addons page.

Thanks.
DAve.

On 7/14/21, tim <z2004a1@gmail.com> wrote:
That page is as useless as most of the add ons.

On 7/14/2021 4:19 AM, David Griffith wrote:

I don’t know why it is not on the Community  add-ons page but the NVDA
Global Commands Extension add-on add the ability to both detect and
announce copy and paste and select, as far as I can see as well as Jaws
does for NVDA in it s default  settings. So install that and the problem
is sorted. I stopped using ClipSpeak ages ago.

It includes a host of other invaluable features as well.  I especially use
the multiple level volume controls, quick access to speech history and
system tray short cuts. It also adds a setting to enable NVDA, like Jaws,
to loop around with single letter navigation to the top of web pages if no
more elements are found. So if you press H for heading and there are no
more headings it will announce that you are going back to the top of the
page and find the first heading again for you.  The announcement makes
this better than Jaws as you are clearly told what is happening. I find
this particularly useful. This specific feature is not enabled by default
 in Global Commands Extension and you have to enable it in settings.

The best way to learn all the host of available features is to hit NVDA
plus J  which plays a tone to indicate that a layered series of commands
have been enabled ,  a bit like Jaws plus spacebar.  Now hitting the H key
will open all the available commands in a menu from which you can cursor
up and down to easily run each command and at the same time learn the
keyboard shortcuts for each command.

I think it is a brilliant add-on and gets regularly updated through
automatic notifications which come up in NVDA to invite update.



I have an older version of the actual add-on install but which the add on
updated itself through NVDA to be compatible with the latest version.
Presumably you will need the latest initial add on version to work in the
latest NVDA. A web search should find it I think.

I will try and find it myself if no search can find it.



David Griffith





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From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 14 July 2021 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clip speak



I had the same thing.  I can only assume that it won't be updated.  I
can't

cross-reference my list of existing add-ons, because I've removed all of
the

add-ons that were marked as incompatible as recommended in an earlier

thread.



Louise












Re: Pass next key through

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

hi,
I don't think there is such a feature available currently, unless that program has its own speech then you can activate the sleep mode with nvda+shift+z. 
Otherwise, the only option I see is that you press NVDA+f2 each time before the command.
good luck.


On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 5:41 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello again,

 

I will be using a program whose hotkeys may conflict with NVDA commands. Is it possible to set the Pass Next Key Through command to act as a toggle; i.e. to pass all commands to the other program until the Pass Next Key Through command is pressed again? I would like it to act as a toggle.

 

Thanks again,

 

Janet


Pass next key through

Janet Brandly
 

Hello again,

 

I will be using a program whose hotkeys may conflict with NVDA commands. Is it possible to set the Pass Next Key Through command to act as a toggle; i.e. to pass all commands to the other program until the Pass Next Key Through command is pressed again? I would like it to act as a toggle.

 

Thanks again,

 

Janet


Re: Clip speak

tim
 

That page is as useless as most of the add ons.

On 7/14/2021 4:19 AM, David Griffith wrote:

I don’t know why it is not on the Community  add-ons page but the NVDA Global Commands Extension add-on add the ability to both detect and announce copy and paste and select, as far as I can see as well as Jaws does for NVDA in it s default  settings. So install that and the problem is sorted. I stopped using ClipSpeak ages ago.

It includes a host of other invaluable features as well.  I especially use the multiple level volume controls, quick access to speech history and system tray short cuts. It also adds a setting to enable NVDA, like Jaws, to loop around with single letter navigation to the top of web pages if no more elements are found. So if you press H for heading and there are no more headings it will announce that you are going back to the top of the page and find the first heading again for you.  The announcement makes this better than Jaws as you are clearly told what is happening. I find this particularly useful. This specific feature is not enabled by default  in Global Commands Extension and you have to enable it in settings.

The best way to learn all the host of available features is to hit NVDA plus J  which plays a tone to indicate that a layered series of commands have been enabled ,  a bit like Jaws plus spacebar.  Now hitting the H key will open all the available commands in a menu from which you can cursor up and down to easily run each command and at the same time learn the keyboard shortcuts for each command.   

I think it is a brilliant add-on and gets regularly updated through automatic notifications which come up in NVDA to invite update.

 

I have an older version of the actual add-on install but which the add on updated itself through NVDA to be compatible with the latest version. Presumably you will need the latest initial add on version to work in the latest NVDA. A web search should find it I think.

I will try and find it myself if no search can find it.

 

David Griffith



 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 14 July 2021 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clip speak

 

I had the same thing.  I can only assume that it won't be updated.  I can't

cross-reference my list of existing add-ons, because I've removed all of the

add-ons that were marked as incompatible as recommended in an earlier

thread.

 

Louise

 

 

 

 

 

 


GoToMeeting with NVDA

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

Would someone please give me some tips about using GoToMeeting with NVDA? I downloaded an accessibility document online, but what I get when activating a link to a meeting invitation doesn’t match what the document says.

 

Thanks so much,

 

Janet


Re: A suggestion about the NVDA update process

JM Casey
 

The UAC is your friend. If you ever see it come up when you don’t think it should, you are right to be suspicious. UAC appears when a programme wants to do something “out of bounds” of normal user processes…so no, it won’t protect you if, say, something installed wants to delete your documents folder, but it will try and alert you about the potential instalation of unwanted stuff in the first place.

When NVDA updates…just say yes.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 14, 2021 12:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A suggestion about the NVDA update process

 

I think people are too casual about disabling security utilities if they cause a small amount of inconvenience.  The whole point of UAC is that it makes it less likely that software will be installed on your machine even if you are careful.  You don’t necessarily have the ability to refuse unwanted software, such as malware.  Sites may have hacked third party advertising which may try to install it without user notice or intervention.  Is avoiding the slight inconvenience of having to use alt y when UAC comes up worth the much worse problems malware can cause?  Even if you have to alt tab to the window first, is avoiding that annoyance worth dealing with malware on your machine?

 

I’ve seen it claimed that UAC is easily evaded by malware designers.  That may be.  I’ve seen little discussion of that.  But even if it only prevents thirty or forty percent of installations, I’d gladdly have the small inconveniences it causes. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A suggestion about the NVDA update process

 

Oh, here's a trick that will make life easier for everyone. Disable UAC. Obviously you have to be careful about installing random stuff, but you should do that anyway.

On 7/13/2021 8:00 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

AFAIK, at least based on my experience - nothing has changed, it's just that sometimes (maybe based on running programs? or whether Mercury is retrograde?) - sometimes that user account control dialog that you need to acknowledge when installing or updating software, appears behind every other window and doesn't get focus.  More often than not it works fine for me and grabs focus when it appears though.

 

Actually I was surprised by the three hour wait - I thought that dialog timed out after about 20 seconds and automatically failed if you didn't acknowledge it.

 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 5:03 AM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi Group,

I can't remember when this started, but sometime in the past few years, i have been experiencing the same thing. It seems that for some reason, the (I guess it is called) runtime version of NVDA installer or whatever it's called, does not shift focus immediately to the Windows UAC console when you try installing a program that Windows is not sure of.

On 7/13/2021 1:37 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:

This is a suggestion relating to the NVDA updater, rather than NVDA itself, and it's a question really for the programmers behind that installer.

I started updating to NVDA 2021.1 on my Microsoft Surface Pro 4 tablet at about 1pm. At 3pm the progress beeps were still beeping and, assuming the update had hit a problem, I tried to abort the update but discovered there was no way to cancel the update.

Curious whether the update process would hang on my Dell laptop, I turned that on and was prompted that a new version of NVDA was available. I launched it and, immediately after the download had finished and I'd activated the Install button, I was taken to the Windows permissions prompt. And that is when I twigged that I'd not been taken to that on my tablet. When I returned to my tablet and Alt+Tabbed around the running programs , indeed the permissions promt was open, but I hadn't been taken to it, nor had I been notified it had opened and was expecting a response.

So my suggestion / question is whether there is any way that the progress beeps can be started only after the security button has been confirmed, rather than as soon as the Update button has been pressed. If the updater hadn't spent 2 hours beeping, then I wouldn't have thought it was doing something (or attempting to do something) as part of the update process.

The moment I found the security prompt and confirmed I wanted to go ahead with the installation, it completed within 30 seconds, as it usually does!

Just a thought :)

Giles



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Re: latest NVDA caps announcement

Gianluigi Coppelletti
 

Hi Sam,

my suggestion is probably too simple to work, but what about adding an entry to your Eloquence dictionary? The first CAP in upper case, and the word that should be spoken in lower case.

Good bye.

Gigi

Il 13/07/2021 13.59, Sam Bushman ha scritto:

My new upgrade says C A P and then the letter as well.

Would love to change this back to the old way.

Any suggestions are more than welcome over here.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

Thats strange, I dont know what setting would cause it to do that, but it does say cap here

 

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 13 July 2021 09:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] latest NVDA caps announcement

 

Instead of saying cap when the cursor reaches a capital letter it spells out "c a p" then pronounces the letter.

 


Re: Clip speak

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


thank you very much.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clip speak

I don’t know why it is not on the Community  add-ons page but the NVDA Global Commands Extension add-on add the ability to both detect and announce copy and paste and select, as far as I can see as well as Jaws does for NVDA in it s default  settings. So install that and the problem is sorted. I stopped using ClipSpeak ages ago.

It includes a host of other invaluable features as well.  I especially use the multiple level volume controls, quick access to speech history and system tray short cuts. It also adds a setting to enable NVDA, like Jaws, to loop around with single letter navigation to the top of web pages if no more elements are found. So if you press H for heading and there are no more headings it will announce that you are going back to the top of the page and find the first heading again for you.  The announcement makes this better than Jaws as you are clearly told what is happening. I find this particularly useful. This specific feature is not enabled by default  in Global Commands Extension and you have to enable it in settings.

The best way to learn all the host of available features is to hit NVDA plus J  which plays a tone to indicate that a layered series of commands have been enabled ,  a bit like Jaws plus spacebar.  Now hitting the H key will open all the available commands in a menu from which you can cursor up and down to easily run each command and at the same time learn the keyboard shortcuts for each command.   

I think it is a brilliant add-on and gets regularly updated through automatic notifications which come up in NVDA to invite update.

 

I have an older version of the actual add-on install but which the add on updated itself through NVDA to be compatible with the latest version. Presumably you will need the latest initial add on version to work in the latest NVDA. A web search should find it I think.

I will try and find it myself if no search can find it.

 

David Griffith



 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 14 July 2021 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clip speak

 

I had the same thing.  I can only assume that it won't be updated.  I can't

cross-reference my list of existing add-ons, because I've removed all of the

add-ons that were marked as incompatible as recommended in an earlier

thread.

 

Louise

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Dictation Bridge NVDA Add-On

Quentin Christensen
 

I don't have an update, but just so you are aware, if you are using Dictation Bridge with Windows speech recognition, you can get that functionality with the the Windows App Essentials add-on: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/wintenApps.en.html

If you are using Dragon Dictate, you will need Dictation Bridge, but I don't have any info on the status of that add-on myself.  Hopefully, one of the developers of the add-on can share more.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:21 PM Deenadayalan Moodley <deenadayalan.moodley@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

Is there any news of an update to the dictation bridge nvda-addon?

 

Thanks.

 



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Re: Clip speak

David Griffith
 

I don’t know why it is not on the Community  add-ons page but the NVDA Global Commands Extension add-on add the ability to both detect and announce copy and paste and select, as far as I can see as well as Jaws does for NVDA in it s default  settings. So install that and the problem is sorted. I stopped using ClipSpeak ages ago.

It includes a host of other invaluable features as well.  I especially use the multiple level volume controls, quick access to speech history and system tray short cuts. It also adds a setting to enable NVDA, like Jaws, to loop around with single letter navigation to the top of web pages if no more elements are found. So if you press H for heading and there are no more headings it will announce that you are going back to the top of the page and find the first heading again for you.  The announcement makes this better than Jaws as you are clearly told what is happening. I find this particularly useful. This specific feature is not enabled by default  in Global Commands Extension and you have to enable it in settings.

The best way to learn all the host of available features is to hit NVDA plus J  which plays a tone to indicate that a layered series of commands have been enabled ,  a bit like Jaws plus spacebar.  Now hitting the H key will open all the available commands in a menu from which you can cursor up and down to easily run each command and at the same time learn the keyboard shortcuts for each command.   

I think it is a brilliant add-on and gets regularly updated through automatic notifications which come up in NVDA to invite update.

 

I have an older version of the actual add-on install but which the add on updated itself through NVDA to be compatible with the latest version. Presumably you will need the latest initial add on version to work in the latest NVDA. A web search should find it I think.

I will try and find it myself if no search can find it.

 

David Griffith



 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 14 July 2021 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clip speak

 

I had the same thing.  I can only assume that it won't be updated.  I can't

cross-reference my list of existing add-ons, because I've removed all of the

add-ons that were marked as incompatible as recommended in an earlier

thread.

 

Louise

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A suggestion about the NVDA update process

 

I've experienced that too, with the UAC getting thrown into the background.
Though alt+tabbing works, I also wonder whether the fact that UAC gets thrown into the background at times is a Windows issue or a NVDA issue.


locked Re: IBM TTS is not working in NVDA

 

I got my ones from atguys the sapi versions.

They are the cheapest pack to buy in fact they are the only cheap pack and they all work and they support 64 bit and all updates are for free.



On 14/07/2021 4:07 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
As Brian noted, illegal add-ons and cracked software are not allowed on the group, and not supported in any way.  If you wish to use Eloquence, then you need to pay for a license to use it - Nuance, who own Eloquence, are very strict on that.  You can purchase Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory: https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

They also have a SAPI5 version if you prefer.

If you are not able to purchase Eloquence, then you might try either the Windows OneCore voices, which are included in Windows 10 and used by NVDA by default, or eSpeak-NG, which comes with NVDA.  eSpeak-NG is popular for being very responsive and able to work at extremely high speech rates.  Windows OneCore is popular for being one of the more human-sounding synthesizers around.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:45 PM ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) <najafnaqvi471@...> wrote:
Hello! to all I am using nvda 20.1 in this version of nvda "IBM TTS" is not working please you can fix this problem thanks have A good day !!


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Re: A suggestion about the NVDA update process

Hope Williamson
 

Well if you run 3 ad blockers like me you probably won't have that problem. I'm not saying it won't happen, but it's fairly unlikely. I run 3 because Youtube ads were getting past uBlock origin. When I was looking for an Youtube ad blocker, I decided to install another general one. I know they work because every time a link mismatch happens with TTT for instance, they both come up and tell me that that particular bit.ly redirect is restricted. I use pretty much all the filters that are available in the extensions, so I try to block as much as possible. I even have to use private windows on some sites because they don't like my ad blockers. Mostly network TV sites.



On 7/13/2021 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:

I think people are too casual about disabling security utilities if they cause a small amount of inconvenience.  The whole point of UAC is that it makes it less likely that software will be installed on your machine even if you are careful.  You don’t necessarily have the ability to refuse unwanted software, such as malware.  Sites may have hacked third party advertising which may try to install it without user notice or intervention.  Is avoiding the slight inconvenience of having to use alt y when UAC comes up worth the much worse problems malware can cause?  Even if you have to alt tab to the window first, is avoiding that annoyance worth dealing with malware on your machine?
 
I’ve seen it claimed that UAC is easily evaded by malware designers.  That may be.  I’ve seen little discussion of that.  But even if it only prevents thirty or forty percent of installations, I’d gladdly have the small inconveniences it causes. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A suggestion about the NVDA update process
 

Oh, here's a trick that will make life easier for everyone. Disable UAC. Obviously you have to be careful about installing random stuff, but you should do that anyway.

On 7/13/2021 8:00 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
AFAIK, at least based on my experience - nothing has changed, it's just that sometimes (maybe based on running programs? or whether Mercury is retrograde?) - sometimes that user account control dialog that you need to acknowledge when installing or updating software, appears behind every other window and doesn't get focus.  More often than not it works fine for me and grabs focus when it appears though.
 
Actually I was surprised by the three hour wait - I thought that dialog timed out after about 20 seconds and automatically failed if you didn't acknowledge it.
 
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 5:03 AM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Group,

I can't remember when this started, but sometime in the past few years, i have been experiencing the same thing. It seems that for some reason, the (I guess it is called) runtime version of NVDA installer or whatever it's called, does not shift focus immediately to the Windows UAC console when you try installing a program that Windows is not sure of.


On 7/13/2021 1:37 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
This is a suggestion relating to the NVDA updater, rather than NVDA itself, and it's a question really for the programmers behind that installer.

I started updating to NVDA 2021.1 on my Microsoft Surface Pro 4 tablet at about 1pm. At 3pm the progress beeps were still beeping and, assuming the update had hit a problem, I tried to abort the update but discovered there was no way to cancel the update.

Curious whether the update process would hang on my Dell laptop, I turned that on and was prompted that a new version of NVDA was available. I launched it and, immediately after the download had finished and I'd activated the Install button, I was taken to the Windows permissions prompt. And that is when I twigged that I'd not been taken to that on my tablet. When I returned to my tablet and Alt+Tabbed around the running programs , indeed the permissions promt was open, but I hadn't been taken to it, nor had I been notified it had opened and was expecting a response.

So my suggestion / question is whether there is any way that the progress beeps can be started only after the security button has been confirmed, rather than as soon as the Update button has been pressed. If the updater hadn't spent 2 hours beeping, then I wouldn't have thought it was doing something (or attempting to do something) as part of the update process.

The moment I found the security prompt and confirmed I wanted to go ahead with the installation, it completed within 30 seconds, as it usually does!

Just a thought :)

Giles

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Re: In NVDA, most Microsoft OneCore voices are the same voice for me.

Hope Williamson
 

Mine's around 40% with rate boost, when I use one core. I can get eloquence up to 80%

On 7/13/2021 9:21 PM, John Isige wrote:

Modern NVDA has a rate boost for them. If you're one of the crazy people who cranks things up super fast I guess it might not be fast enough for you, but it's pretty gabbly at 100 with rate boost on. I generally have Eloquence at 75, this is the Code Factory SAPI 5 version, and OneCore at 40 or 45 with rate boost on. That works fine for me.


On 7/13/2021 9:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:45 PM, Gene wrote:
You can speed them up but others will have to discuss that.
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And it has been discussed, in depth, multiple times.

The easiest way is to increase the rate to 100% under Windows, then you can "further increase" it using NVDA's settings.  I know that someone has written about getting into OneCore Voice internals and how to tweak those  to get an even more radical increase in speed, but I can't seem to find that now.

Sarah Alawami mentioned the above technique here:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/59349 
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Dictation Bridge NVDA Add-On

Deenadayalan Moodley
 

Hi,

 

Is there any news of an update to the dictation bridge nvda-addon?

 

Thanks.

 

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