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Re: Journal Software

Bob Cole
 

Hi, Gene.

When I relied more heavily upon magnification, I used an application called RedNotebook[1] for journaling. It had a calendar built into it displayed very journal entry per day written. Al that you would have to do is to activate a date on the calendar which had a journal entry. It offered other features such as the adding of pictures and other things of that nature. I don't know much about programming/APIs, but it was written in Qt, I believe. Unfortunately, it is mostly inaccessible to NVDA. It has a simple interface, but it allowed for a quick way to access journal entries as well as the ability to print out to PDF.

The features described on the application's page are pretty much what I'm looking for in an application of this nature.

I guess I really like the idea of compartmentalization which is not particularly offered by a standard word processor.

Thank you so much for your suggestion and thoughts on this!

LINKS:
[1] https://rednotebook.sourceforge.io/


Re: problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

Chris Smart
 

Or do you own a hardware mixer, maybe a powered mixer? You could feed the computer out into that, and turn up the monitor level as high as you want.


Re: problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

Chris Smart
 

If your computer has a 1/8 jack for audio out, what happens if you plug some cheap earbuds into it? How loud does that get?



On 2021-07-15 12:07 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Probably never, not unless I need them. I can ear everything else, just not my synth speech, I need that voice to be loud. Is there an overwrite volume setting or a way to get the add on to go above 100 percent? I'm quite good at hacking, so I would not mind doing that.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 9:05, Chris Smart wrote:

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?


I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.


On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 
 
But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 
 
If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps
 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Re: problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

Sarah k Alawami
 

Probably never, not unless I need them. I can ear everything else, just not my synth speech, I need that voice to be loud. Is there an overwrite volume setting or a way to get the add on to go above 100 percent? I'm quite good at hacking, so I would not mind doing that.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 9:05, Chris Smart wrote:

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?


I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.


On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 
 
But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 
 
If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps
 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Re: problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

Chris Smart
 

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?


I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.


On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 
 
But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 
 
If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps
 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Re: problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually all comes out fine, and even on my older systems eloquence was still way way way too low for my ears. You won't hear it if I record it as my VAC makes things the right volume, loud. My hardware sound card makes all but eloquence loud. Espeak is louder than eloquence to my ear.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 8:04, Brian Vogel wrote:

I agree with Gene that "something is off here" and that something is not likely to be NVDA itself (though it can't be ruled out entirely).

When anomalies like this occur it can't hurt to try:
1. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
and, if the above doesn't work, followed by:
2. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

Also uninstalling the offending software before doing either of the above and reinstalling it to see if that fixes anything is worth trying.

The behaviors described are anomalies.  They're not characteristic of normal and correct operation.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 
 
But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 
 
If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps
 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Re: getting a "please register this product" with the 7 day trial of the sapi eloquence demo

Sarah k Alawami
 

I might contact them then with some feedback.

By the way if you look at the atguys page the sapi link is not on the CF page under education products. I had to google for it, which is odd.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:44, Josh Kennedy wrote:

codeFactory never implemented inflection slider on their eloquence product. I think you are confusing codeFactory eloquence with IBM-viavoice-tts, which is an abandoned unsupported completely separate product, even though it sounds almost exactly like eloquence, and which, in fact, does have an inflection slider along with other sliders to change many more voice parameters. 


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

 

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 10:52 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
I am hesitant to post the link to this decTalk bundle
-
Then, please, don't.

People can use the "Reply to Sender" link to contact you privately should they wish to do so.

What occurs behind the proverbial closed doors is of no concern to group administration.  Only what occurs in public and even might be legally problematic is.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

Mohamed
 

Hi, the rate boost and inflection settings were never implemented in Code Factory's Eloquence products.

On 7/15/2021 10:40 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Re: DECtalk Add-on for NVDA

David Mehler
 

Hello,

I've read rounds and rounds about this, but specifically is there a
Dectalk addon for NVDA for software speech? I'm not interested in the
USB variant software speech only.

Thanks.
Dave.

On 7/15/21, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
there is a dectalk bundle python3 addon which is software decTalk containing
decTalk 4.41 4.5 and 4.6, but it only works with nvda2020.4 and earlier
because it has not yet been updated for nvda 2021.1 and later. And all
decTalk companies such as digital equipment corporation, fonixTalk, and
speech-fx-inc, are dead. Although Roger Dudley CEO or former CEO of
speech-fx-inc, is supposedly on linkedin he does not respond so maybe its
just an abandoned account. and all company phone numbers I found don't work,
emails are undeliverable and the speech-fx-inc website is dead. I am
hesitant to post the link to this decTalk bundle because I don't know how
the moderators would feel about that. I even got a linkedin premium trial
account, to try to private message Roger Dudley with no success. Others have
also tried with no success. It looks like all decTalk software is now
abandoned. A google search will turn up nvda decTalk software addons
though.






locked Re: IBM TTS is not working in NVDA

 

Based on the digging around I've done over the last couple of days, I can't say that using IBM TTS is either legal, nor illegal, as the licensing terms that are present are just incredibly sparse, which is definitely atypical.  That being said, and the fact that the software is abandonware and is available on an open FTP server, the only conclusion I can draw is that IBM is making this available to any and all who wish to use it.  Companies know how to protect the assets they wish to protect, and even "free stuff" generally has far more extensive licensing information than is available in the folders on that FTP server.

So, based on information provided to me by Mr. Kennedy (thanks), and to close this topic out, for those who want to use IBM TTS, under the presumption that it's legal to do so:

1. Someone named Jake Gross has packaged all the viavoice tts languages into one installer, available here: https://grossgang.com/tts/old_software_synths/viavoice6732l.exe 

2. The Add-On for IBM TTS, sans voices, is available on GitHub: IBMTTS driver, Add-on for NVDA
     There is a download link for the Add-On present on that page.  Search for "download in this link" on the page.

3. Once you have installed both, IBM TTS will not show up until you tell the add-on where to find the ibmeci.dll file. You do that in your NVDA settings under IBM-tts. And the ibmeci.dll is located in C:\Program Files (x86)\viavoice … only after IBM TTS is installed, so make sure you have installed both it and the add-on first.

I have not tried any of the above, by the way.

And with this, I am locking this topic.  Out of support software is not supposed to be discussed on the NVDA Group, period.  If folks want to try all this out and discuss it further, it should occur either on the Chat Subgroup, via private messages, or via private email.  IBM TTS is no longer a valid topic for discussion on the NVDA group not secondary to issues of legality, but because it is long, long out of support.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: IBM TTS is not working in NVDA

Chris Smart
 

and it doesn't pause overly long


On 2021-07-15 11:20 a.m., Devin Prater wrote:
The IBM TTS driver also doesn't have this annoying bug where pressing Control doesn't automatically silence the TTS.
Devin Prater
gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/



On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 10:09 AM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
as others have pointed out yes IBM-tts is freely obtainable from their ftp site. now let me highlight some important differences between codeFactory eloquence and IBM-tts just to further prove they are different products. 

CodeFactory eloquence is sapi5 capable, IBM-tts is not unless you use a crude registry hack.
Eloquence supports the following languages:
american english, british english, castilian spanish, latin american spanish, standard french, canadian french, german, italian, Brazilian Portuguese, and Finnish.
IBM-tts also supports the previously mentioned languages, with the addition of these new languages not found in eloquence... Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Japanese, Korean, Chinese mandarin and Chinese Hong Kong. 
IBM-tts also has more advanced voice customization such as inflection sliders, headSize adjustment, and many more advanced and more geeky voice adjustments which are not available in codeFactory eloquence.


locked Re: IBM TTS is not working in NVDA

Gene
 

What bug are you describing in what product?  Control should immediately stop speech.  But what do you mean by silence?  Are you saying it stops speech until you somehow start it again?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IBM TTS is not working in NVDA
 
The IBM TTS driver also doesn't have this annoying bug where pressing Control doesn't automatically silence the TTS.
Devin Prater
gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/
 
 
 
On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 10:09 AM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
as others have pointed out yes IBM-tts is freely obtainable from their ftp site. now let me highlight some important differences between codeFactory eloquence and IBM-tts just to further prove they are different products.

CodeFactory eloquence is sapi5 capable, IBM-tts is not unless you use a crude registry hack.
Eloquence supports the following languages:
american english, british english, castilian spanish, latin american spanish, standard french, canadian french, german, italian, Brazilian Portuguese, and Finnish.
IBM-tts also supports the previously mentioned languages, with the addition of these new languages not found in eloquence... Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Japanese, Korean, Chinese mandarin and Chinese Hong Kong.
IBM-tts also has more advanced voice customization such as inflection sliders, headSize adjustment, and many more advanced and more geeky voice adjustments which are not available in codeFactory eloquence.


locked Re: IBM TTS is not working in NVDA

Devin Prater
 

The IBM TTS driver also doesn't have this annoying bug where pressing Control doesn't automatically silence the TTS.
Devin Prater
gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/



On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 10:09 AM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
as others have pointed out yes IBM-tts is freely obtainable from their ftp site. now let me highlight some important differences between codeFactory eloquence and IBM-tts just to further prove they are different products. 

CodeFactory eloquence is sapi5 capable, IBM-tts is not unless you use a crude registry hack.
Eloquence supports the following languages:
american english, british english, castilian spanish, latin american spanish, standard french, canadian french, german, italian, Brazilian Portuguese, and Finnish.
IBM-tts also supports the previously mentioned languages, with the addition of these new languages not found in eloquence... Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Japanese, Korean, Chinese mandarin and Chinese Hong Kong. 
IBM-tts also has more advanced voice customization such as inflection sliders, headSize adjustment, and many more advanced and more geeky voice adjustments which are not available in codeFactory eloquence.


locked Re: IBM TTS is not working in NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

as others have pointed out yes IBM-tts is freely obtainable from their ftp site. now let me highlight some important differences between codeFactory eloquence and IBM-tts just to further prove they are different products. 

CodeFactory eloquence is sapi5 capable, IBM-tts is not unless you use a crude registry hack.
Eloquence supports the following languages:
american english, british english, castilian spanish, latin american spanish, standard french, canadian french, german, italian, Brazilian Portuguese, and Finnish.
IBM-tts also supports the previously mentioned languages, with the addition of these new languages not found in eloquence... Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Japanese, Korean, Chinese mandarin and Chinese Hong Kong. 
IBM-tts also has more advanced voice customization such as inflection sliders, headSize adjustment, and many more advanced and more geeky voice adjustments which are not available in codeFactory eloquence.


Re: Journal Software

Russell James
 

Thank you that app sounds interesting!

Do you know if the Android version of that app is accessible?

Russ


Problem changing synths

Roger Stewart
 

I'm noticing lately that if I change synths in the default (normal) configuration profile, save the configuration that this isn't carried over into Thunderbird where I have a separate configuration profile to stop some unwanted chatter. This usually seemed to just copy over globally if I made sure the normal configuration was running when I did this. Has there been some change? Is there and easy way I can change synths and have the change work globally if I choose?  There may be times when I do want a different synth for a particular program, and that's fine to be able to do this, but would be very convenient if I could choose to make the change global when I want this.


Thanks.


Roger


Re: problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

I agree with Gene that "something is off here" and that something is not likely to be NVDA itself (though it can't be ruled out entirely).

When anomalies like this occur it can't hurt to try:
1. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
and, if the above doesn't work, followed by:
2. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

Also uninstalling the offending software before doing either of the above and reinstalling it to see if that fixes anything is worth trying.

The behaviors described are anomalies.  They're not characteristic of normal and correct operation.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: IBM TTS is not working in NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

yeah and there is no need to crack stuff these days since jaws is now subscription based, and affordable, you can choose between buying eloquence or just downloading  IBM-tts from ftp, windows is free with mostly every pc, and even microsoft office can be subscribed to, or just use office365 or google docs. and there is not even an excuse for well I can't customise buttons and stuff anymore, because thanks to me, we now have object enhancer addon which adds many jawsLike customizations to NVDA. 

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