Probably never, not unless I need them. I can ear everything else, just not my synth speech, I need that voice to be loud. Is there an overwrite volume setting or a way to get the add on to go above 100 percent? I'm quite good at hacking, so I would not mind doing that.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 9:05, Chris Smart wrote:

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?

I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.

On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 

 

But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 

 

If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM

To: Nvda List

Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

1. The rate boost is gone.
2. The inflection slider is missing
3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?

I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.

On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 

 

But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 

 

If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM

To: Nvda List

Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

1. The rate boost is gone.
2. The inflection slider is missing
3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 

 

But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 

 

If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM

To: Nvda List

Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

1. The rate boost is gone.
2. The inflection slider is missing
3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 

I agree with Gene that "something is off here" and that something is not likely to be NVDA itself (though it can't be ruled out entirely).

When anomalies like this occur it can't hurt to try:
1. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
and, if the above doesn't work, followed by:
2. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

Also uninstalling the offending software before doing either of the above and reinstalling it to see if that fixes anything is worth trying.

The behaviors described are anomalies.  They're not characteristic of normal and correct operation.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 

 

But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 

 

If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM

To: Nvda List

Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

1. The rate boost is gone.
2. The inflection slider is missing
3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 

codeFactory never implemented inflection slider on their eloquence product. I think you are confusing codeFactory eloquence with IBM-viavoice-tts, which is an abandoned unsupported completely separate product, even though it sounds almost exactly like eloquence, and which, in fact, does have an inflection slider along with other sliders to change many more voice parameters. 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

1. The rate boost is gone.
2. The inflection slider is missing
3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 

there is a dectalk bundle python3 addon which is software decTalk containing
decTalk 4.41 4.5 and 4.6, but it only works with nvda2020.4 and earlier
because it has not yet been updated for nvda 2021.1 and later. And all
decTalk companies such as digital equipment corporation, fonixTalk, and
speech-fx-inc, are dead. Although Roger Dudley CEO or former CEO of
speech-fx-inc, is supposedly on linkedin he does not respond so maybe its
just an abandoned account. and all company phone numbers I found don't work,
emails are undeliverable and the speech-fx-inc website is dead. I am
hesitant to post the link to this decTalk bundle because I don't know how
the moderators would feel about that. I even got a linkedin premium trial
account, to try to private message Roger Dudley with no success. Others have
also tried with no success. It looks like all decTalk software is now
abandoned. A google search will turn up nvda decTalk software addons
though.

The IBM TTS driver also doesn't have this annoying bug where pressing Control doesn't automatically silence the TTS.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.prater@...

gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 10:09 AM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

as others have pointed out yes IBM-tts is freely obtainable from their ftp site. now let me highlight some important differences between codeFactory eloquence and IBM-tts just to further prove they are different products. 

CodeFactory eloquence is sapi5 capable, IBM-tts is not unless you use a crude registry hack.
Eloquence supports the following languages:
american english, british english, castilian spanish, latin american spanish, standard french, canadian french, german, italian, Brazilian Portuguese, and Finnish.
IBM-tts also supports the previously mentioned languages, with the addition of these new languages not found in eloquence... Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Japanese, Korean, Chinese mandarin and Chinese Hong Kong. 
IBM-tts also has more advanced voice customization such as inflection sliders, headSize adjustment, and many more advanced and more geeky voice adjustments which are not available in codeFactory eloquence.