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Two Janets was NVDA find command not working

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Jackie,

It is another Janet who was asking about voices for NVDA. AS for "find", I have tried both versions.

Thanks,

Janet B

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: July 17, 2021 2:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA find command not working

Janet, might I ask what keys you're pressing to find material on screen?

I ask this because NVDA can work w/2 versions of the find command. The well-known one is control f. That one actually is generally owned by the particular application in use, ie, Word, Notepad, etc. The 2nd 1, NVDA +control + f, is generally used in a "virtual cursor" situation, ie, a web browser, etc. So I guess the question I'm really asking--& taking the very very long way around the barn to do it--is whether you've tried both commands w/this program.

Also, regarding your voices thread, I note that your email is a Canadian one, so you should have Canadian voices installed by default, & I suspect that's what you're hearing. If so, you're correct--they're absolutely stunning--& the good news for you is that you won't likely even have to install them, as they already are if you've set your region to Canada.

On 7/16/21, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi, I’ve heard of that program. Good luck with your Medical transcription.



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From: Janet Brandly
Sent: July 16, 2021 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA find command not working



Hi Brian,



No, not harsh at all.



I am trying to use a medical transcription program called InScribe,
version 7. Unfortunately, for anyone to help, they would have to have
the software installed on their computer. I just thought I would ask
just to see whether anyone had any general tips/tricks they might have
found helpful in similar situations with other programs, not necessarily this specific program.



Thanks anyway,



Janet



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: July 15, 2021 2:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA find command not working



Janet,

Several points, and none meant to sound as harsh as they may be taken to be:

1. What is the "complicated transcription program"? Generalities do
not help. Identifying software and version is essential as no one can
divine what you're using nor know whether they've used it themselves.

2. I presume this is medical transcription, and understand the
privacy concerns. But can you not replicate the issue when you create
a "junk document" where you paste in completely non-private text from somewhere?
That would potentially allow someone to offer remote assistance or for
you to share the screen.

There is no way, really, to assist based on the dearth of specific
information. Any potential assistant needs to know what program(s)
are involved, or websites, etc.
--

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The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and
expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you
do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

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Re: NVDA find command not working

Jackie
 

Janet, might I ask what keys you're pressing to find material on screen?

I ask this because NVDA can work w/2 versions of the find command. The
well-known one is control f. That one actually is generally owned by
the particular application in use, ie, Word, Notepad, etc. The 2nd 1,
NVDA +control + f, is generally used in a "virtual cursor" situation,
ie, a web browser, etc. So I guess the question I'm really asking--&
taking the very very long way around the barn to do it--is whether
you've tried both commands w/this program.

Also, regarding your voices thread, I note that your email is a
Canadian one, so you should have Canadian voices installed by default,
& I suspect that's what you're hearing. If so, you're correct--they're
absolutely stunning--& the good news for you is that you won't likely
even have to install them, as they already are if you've set your
region to Canada.

On 7/16/21, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi, I’ve heard of that program. Good luck with your Medical transcription.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Janet Brandly
Sent: July 16, 2021 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA find command not working



Hi Brian,



No, not harsh at all.



I am trying to use a medical transcription program called InScribe, version
7. Unfortunately, for anyone to help, they would have to have the software
installed on their computer. I just thought I would ask just to see whether
anyone had any general tips/tricks they might have found helpful in similar
situations with other programs, not necessarily this specific program.



Thanks anyway,



Janet



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: July 15, 2021 2:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA find command not working



Janet,

Several points, and none meant to sound as harsh as they may be taken to be:

1.  What is the "complicated transcription program"?  Generalities do not
help.  Identifying software and version is essential as no one can divine
what you're using nor know whether they've used it themselves.

2.  I presume this is medical transcription, and understand the privacy
concerns.  But can you not replicate the issue when you create a "junk
document" where you paste in completely non-private text from somewhere?
That would potentially allow someone to offer remote assistance or for you
to share the screen.

There is no way, really, to assist based on the dearth of specific
information.  Any potential assistant needs to know what program(s) are
involved, or websites, etc.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel





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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

 

Thank you gentlemen.  Both of those are useful workarounds.

I do have to say I'd like to keep the formatting, though.  I'll try opening one of the PDFs using word, and saving out the resulting docx to see what happens.

The above being said, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to "pack and ship" a searchable document format of this reference with NVDA itself, but I may be the very odd bird who likes to have these references available separate from the screen reader even when I am using the screen reader.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Another object question,

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 04:20 PM, Gene wrote:
It’s a question of learning commands for moving among and within objects.  An object may have another object in it, by analogy something like a table and a leg attached to the table.  The table is the object that is at a higher level and the leg is the object you move down to.
-
And that's it, right there.  Practice, practice, practice without attempting to do anything productive while you're trying to get a sense of the object structure of whatever it is you happen to be working on.  And that something should ideally be a completed version of "whatever the whole thing happens to be" so that your noodling around to explore its object structure will reveal most, if not all, of what you need to know when dealing with similar objects (in the broad sense of that word, like Word Documents, web pages, etc.) going forward.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

Tyler Spivey
 

There are a couple things you can try.
1. Just open the quick reference in word. The address bar of your browser will tell you where it is. Word should then import the file, and let you re-save it as .docx.
2. Select all in your browser and copy it. Don't use NVDA's selection, you want the browser selection. Paste that in Word.

Either of these should give you what you want.

On 7/17/2021 1:10 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I really don't know the answer to that question
I realize that I can open it in the browser and search there, but I often like to save this sort of thing as a PDF that I can search whenever I wish.  However, when I do that either using the PDF Creator virtual printer or Google's Print as PDF option, I cannot OCR process the resulting file such that it's searchable.  This is most peculiar, given that the entire thing is mostly text.  I even tried on an old copy I'd saved from 2018.1 and that didn't work.
I'd just like to have this documentation in some sort of format besides HTML that I can search in for specific text.
--
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/I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are./
      ~ Brian Vogel


Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

Gene
 

Is saving it as a text file wile the document is opened in a browser unsatisfactory?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 3:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)
 
I really don't know the answer to that question

I realize that I can open it in the browser and search there, but I often like to save this sort of thing as a PDF that I can search whenever I wish.  However, when I do that either using the PDF Creator virtual printer or Google's Print as PDF option, I cannot OCR process the resulting file such that it's searchable.  This is most peculiar, given that the entire thing is mostly text.  I even tried on an old copy I'd saved from 2018.1 and that didn't work.

I'd just like to have this documentation in some sort of format besides HTML that I can search in for specific text.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Another object question,

Gene
 

It isn’t a question of settings.  It’s a question of learning commands for moving among and within objects.  An object may have another object in it, by analogy something like a table and a leg attached to the table.  The table is the object that is at a higher level and the leg is the object you move down to.
 
If you still have questions after you listen to the materials, ask here.  To clarify matters, arranging a demonstration with someone might be the best way to clarify things.
 
Gene

---- Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 3:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] Another object question,
 

Hello again,

 

Thank you for the links to those articles. I will definitely check them out. In the meantime, what is the best way to set the NVDA settings for NVDA to deal with them?

 

Thanks again,

 

Janet


Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

 

I really don't know the answer to that question

I realize that I can open it in the browser and search there, but I often like to save this sort of thing as a PDF that I can search whenever I wish.  However, when I do that either using the PDF Creator virtual printer or Google's Print as PDF option, I cannot OCR process the resulting file such that it's searchable.  This is most peculiar, given that the entire thing is mostly text.  I even tried on an old copy I'd saved from 2018.1 and that didn't work.

I'd just like to have this documentation in some sort of format besides HTML that I can search in for specific text.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Another object question,

Janet Brandly
 

Hello again,

 

Thank you for the links to those articles. I will definitely check them out. In the meantime, what is the best way to set the NVDA settings for NVDA to deal with them?

 

Thanks again,

 

Janet


Re: What exactly is an "object"?

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 02:41 PM, Gene wrote:
An interesting aspect of objects is that they can be very large.
-
Yup, because, in the case you describe, the object is the "text container" for the entire document.

Objects are hierarchical as well, in that certain objects can only occur embedded in other objects.  A good, but stupid example, being that if the object is a button there is no text container that can be within it, but if the object is a window, there are all sorts of potential objects that could be in that.  Just playing with reporting the current object, and moving out to the containing object a couple of times gives you a sense, to some extent, of the kind of scoping.  I just did that while looking at the NVDA Commands Quick reference in Brave and you move from the document content, to the document, to the Brave tab (reported as application window, I think), then out to the desktop.

I really do need to play with object navigation more extensively to get an intuitive feel for the scoping that's going on for various objects when using various applications.  Eventually you're always going to end up back at an application window, followed by desktop if you keep moving out to the next containing object.  But where you end up if you keep moving from the current object to its first contained object is directly dependent on what the current object happens to be and what other types of objects it is capable of containing.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: What exactly is an "object"?

Gene
 

An interesting aspect of objects is that they can be very large.  I think most objects are small, that is my impression.  I don’t know if this is generally true of text editors and word processors, but if I open a long document in Notepad, it doesn’t matter how long it is, the entire document is one object and I can move through all the text using NVDA object review commands.
 
I have no idea if this has any bearing on the program under discussion but its good to know in case you come across a large object.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jujube
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] What exactly is an "object"?
 
That's good to know, thanks :)

On 7/17/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Jujube,
>
> The only thing I'd add is that objects include things that are not
> conventional controls, and the example of the status bar (that isn't a
> conventional status bar in presentation) at the bottom of File Explorer is a
> good example.
>
> The term "object" is intentionally vague or meta because so many different
> things are implemented as objects of some sort.  It's a catch-all term for
> anything you can gain focus on that may or may not be a control you can
> interact with, but can be examined by the screen reader.  Many objects are
> intentionally ignored when not in object navigation mode because they're
> "just distractions" in a number of circumstances.  But under the newer
> Windows UI the use of objects has increased compared to the old days.  I'm
> still trying to get really up to speed on object navigation myself.  As an
> aside, I believe that the JAWS analogous construct is the touch cursor, but
> I could be wrong on that.
>
> These two references may prove to be helpful:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Unravel the enigma of NVDA Object Nav. - COOL BLIND TECH (
> https://coolblindtech.com/unravel-the-enigma-of-nvda-object-nav/ ) (podcast,
> downloadable but also playable on that website)
>
> and
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> NVDA review cursor and object navigation. - HANIF.CO (
> https://hanif.co/dl/NVDA%20review%20cursor%20and%20object%20navigation.m4a )
> (audio presentation previously recorded on June 4, 2020)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043
>
> I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
> The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
> which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
> clearest indicator of who you are.
>
> ~ Brian Vogel
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: speech rate changes to defaults

Gene
 

For accuracy and completeness, I should add that its possible something might go wrong with NVDA and no settings would be saved when they are saved either automatically or manually.  That is very unlikely and since no settings would be saved, that would likely have been discussed if it were the cause of the problem. 
 
Aside from that, the only time I can think of automatic saving not working where manual saving would is if the program crashes on exit.  If it crashes too soon, the automatic savings function might not have run before the crash.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
 
No.  You said to save the settings manually, which the user did.  the problem occurred after the settings were saved.  You appear to be saying that the automatic save the settings would save the wrong settings after the settngs are manually saved.  It won’t.  When you manually save the settings, the new settings replace the old ones in the configuration file.  Shutting down the machine will not cause old settings to replace the nhhew ones.  They no longer exist.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
 

So I was right then ,

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Also, the person tried your solution yesterday and the problem recurred. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That is an unsupported assumption. Nothing was said indicating that.  Without asking, you don’t know if that is the case.  Also, if the change occurred while the program is running, the person would, assumedly, reset the incorrect setting. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

But if its set to save automatically on exit  then whatever is causing the settings to be changed is occurring whilst using nvda is running , so when the nvda is set to save on exit then it will save the change at that moment in time

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That will accomplish nothing.  The default behavior of NVDA is to save settings on exit.  So, if the default is being used, any time the program was exited or Windows was shut down, closing the program, the changes would have been saved after they were made.  Manually saving them before closing the program accomplishes nothing but saving them manually, not automatically.  You are just saving them earlier.

 

If the program isn’t set to save automatically, you are manually saving the settings applying your suggestion, so they are being saved either way.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Make sure the option to save configuration on nvda exit is unchecked

Then again set your desired setting and save

 

So whatever happens nvda should start with your saved configuration now

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 17 July 2021 17:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hi,

 

It happened again this morning. My configuration was saved. It seems that only the rate reverts to 9 on the rate setting.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 8:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Try saving the configuration after you have set it to what you want it to be set at

 

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 16 July 2021 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hello,

 

On 2021.1, I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.

 

Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.

 

Best

George

 

 

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Re: What exactly is an "object"?

Jujube
 

That's good to know, thanks :)

On 7/17/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Jujube,

The only thing I'd add is that objects include things that are not
conventional controls, and the example of the status bar (that isn't a
conventional status bar in presentation) at the bottom of File Explorer is a
good example.

The term "object" is intentionally vague or meta because so many different
things are implemented as objects of some sort.  It's a catch-all term for
anything you can gain focus on that may or may not be a control you can
interact with, but can be examined by the screen reader.  Many objects are
intentionally ignored when not in object navigation mode because they're
"just distractions" in a number of circumstances.  But under the newer
Windows UI the use of objects has increased compared to the old days.  I'm
still trying to get really up to speed on object navigation myself.  As an
aside, I believe that the JAWS analogous construct is the touch cursor, but
I could be wrong on that.

These two references may prove to be helpful:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unravel the enigma of NVDA Object Nav. - COOL BLIND TECH (
https://coolblindtech.com/unravel-the-enigma-of-nvda-object-nav/ ) (podcast,
downloadable but also playable on that website)

and

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NVDA review cursor and object navigation. - HANIF.CO (
https://hanif.co/dl/NVDA%20review%20cursor%20and%20object%20navigation.m4a )
(audio presentation previously recorded on June 4, 2020)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel






Re: speech rate changes to defaults

Chris
 

I was actually saying if the save on configuration on exit was checked then even if he saved the settings manually and then continued doing whatever he does causing the setting to change in that time , it would then save the new setting on exit

 

Thats it now end of discussion

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 19:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

No.  You said to save the settings manually, which the user did.  the problem occurred after the settings were saved.  You appear to be saying that the automatic save the settings would save the wrong settings after the settngs are manually saved.  It won’t.  When you manually save the settings, the new settings replace the old ones in the configuration file.  Shutting down the machine will not cause old settings to replace the nhhew ones.  They no longer exist.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

So I was right then ,

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Also, the person tried your solution yesterday and the problem recurred. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That is an unsupported assumption. Nothing was said indicating that.  Without asking, you don’t know if that is the case.  Also, if the change occurred while the program is running, the person would, assumedly, reset the incorrect setting. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

But if its set to save automatically on exit  then whatever is causing the settings to be changed is occurring whilst using nvda is running , so when the nvda is set to save on exit then it will save the change at that moment in time

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That will accomplish nothing.  The default behavior of NVDA is to save settings on exit.  So, if the default is being used, any time the program was exited or Windows was shut down, closing the program, the changes would have been saved after they were made.  Manually saving them before closing the program accomplishes nothing but saving them manually, not automatically.  You are just saving them earlier.

 

If the program isn’t set to save automatically, you are manually saving the settings applying your suggestion, so they are being saved either way.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Make sure the option to save configuration on nvda exit is unchecked

Then again set your desired setting and save

 

So whatever happens nvda should start with your saved configuration now

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 17 July 2021 17:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hi,

 

It happened again this morning. My configuration was saved. It seems that only the rate reverts to 9 on the rate setting.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 8:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Try saving the configuration after you have set it to what you want it to be set at

 

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 16 July 2021 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hello,

 

On 2021.1, I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.

 

Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.

 

Best

George

 

 

Drawing of a guide dog in harness sitting looking up at a dangling rope in front of a mountain wall. Credits, Outdoor Life.

 

George Kerscher Ph.D.

-In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right.

Chief Innovations Officer, DAISY Consortium

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http://www.benetech.org

President, International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF)

http://www.idpf.org

Member of the National Museum and Library Services  Board (IMLS)

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Re: What exactly is an "object"?

 

Jujube,

The only thing I'd add is that objects include things that are not conventional controls, and the example of the status bar (that isn't a conventional status bar in presentation) at the bottom of File Explorer is a good example.

The term "object" is intentionally vague or meta because so many different things are implemented as objects of some sort.  It's a catch-all term for anything you can gain focus on that may or may not be a control you can interact with, but can be examined by the screen reader.  Many objects are intentionally ignored when not in object navigation mode because they're "just distractions" in a number of circumstances.  But under the newer Windows UI the use of objects has increased compared to the old days.  I'm still trying to get really up to speed on object navigation myself.  As an aside, I believe that the JAWS analogous construct is the touch cursor, but I could be wrong on that.

These two references may prove to be helpful:

Unravel the enigma of NVDA Object Nav. - COOL BLIND TECH (podcast, downloadable but also playable on that website)

and

NVDA review cursor and object navigation. - HANIF.CO (audio presentation previously recorded on June 4, 2020)

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: speech rate changes to defaults

Gene
 

No.  You said to save the settings manually, which the user did.  the problem occurred after the settings were saved.  You appear to be saying that the automatic save the settings would save the wrong settings after the settngs are manually saved.  It won’t.  When you manually save the settings, the new settings replace the old ones in the configuration file.  Shutting down the machine will not cause old settings to replace the nhhew ones.  They no longer exist.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
 

So I was right then ,

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Also, the person tried your solution yesterday and the problem recurred. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That is an unsupported assumption. Nothing was said indicating that.  Without asking, you don’t know if that is the case.  Also, if the change occurred while the program is running, the person would, assumedly, reset the incorrect setting. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

But if its set to save automatically on exit  then whatever is causing the settings to be changed is occurring whilst using nvda is running , so when the nvda is set to save on exit then it will save the change at that moment in time

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That will accomplish nothing.  The default behavior of NVDA is to save settings on exit.  So, if the default is being used, any time the program was exited or Windows was shut down, closing the program, the changes would have been saved after they were made.  Manually saving them before closing the program accomplishes nothing but saving them manually, not automatically.  You are just saving them earlier.

 

If the program isn’t set to save automatically, you are manually saving the settings applying your suggestion, so they are being saved either way.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Make sure the option to save configuration on nvda exit is unchecked

Then again set your desired setting and save

 

So whatever happens nvda should start with your saved configuration now

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 17 July 2021 17:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hi,

 

It happened again this morning. My configuration was saved. It seems that only the rate reverts to 9 on the rate setting.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 8:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Try saving the configuration after you have set it to what you want it to be set at

 

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 16 July 2021 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hello,

 

On 2021.1, I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.

 

Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.

 

Best

George

 

 

Drawing of a guide dog in harness sitting looking up at a dangling rope in front of a mountain wall. Credits, Outdoor Life.

 

George Kerscher Ph.D.

-In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right.

Chief Innovations Officer, DAISY Consortium

http://www.daisy.org

Senior Advisor, Global Literacy, Benetech

http://www.benetech.org

President, International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF)

http://www.idpf.org

Member of the National Museum and Library Services  Board (IMLS)

http://www.imls.gov

Chair Steering Council Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), at W3C

http://www.w3.org/WAI

Phone: +1 406/549-4687

Cell:+1 406/544-2466

Email: kerscher@...

 

 

 

 

 


Re: speech rate changes to defaults

Chris
 

We are in a nvda group, so what is the logical assumption here???

 

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 19:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Here is what the message says.  It does not indicate that what you think may be occurring is.  If you want to ask, I have no objection but without asking, you don’t know.  And the wording of the message appears to be saying that the change happens while the program is being used.  We don’t know that but that is what the wording suggests. 

 

Here is the message:

I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.

 

Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Maybe you should read the original message again, maybe it is you who is making assumptions

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That is an unsupported assumption. Nothing was said indicating that.  Without asking, you don’t know if that is the case.  Also, if the change occurred while the program is running, the person would, assumedly, reset the incorrect setting. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

But if its set to save automatically on exit  then whatever is causing the settings to be changed is occurring whilst using nvda is running , so when the nvda is set to save on exit then it will save the change at that moment in time

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That will accomplish nothing.  The default behavior of NVDA is to save settings on exit.  So, if the default is being used, any time the program was exited or Windows was shut down, closing the program, the changes would have been saved after they were made.  Manually saving them before closing the program accomplishes nothing but saving them manually, not automatically.  You are just saving them earlier.

 

If the program isn’t set to save automatically, you are manually saving the settings applying your suggestion, so they are being saved either way.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Make sure the option to save configuration on nvda exit is unchecked

Then again set your desired setting and save

 

So whatever happens nvda should start with your saved configuration now

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 17 July 2021 17:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hi,

 

It happened again this morning. My configuration was saved. It seems that only the rate reverts to 9 on the rate setting.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 8:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Try saving the configuration after you have set it to what you want it to be set at

 

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 16 July 2021 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hello,

 

On 2021.1, I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.

 

Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.

 

Best

George

 

 

Drawing of a guide dog in harness sitting looking up at a dangling rope in front of a mountain wall. Credits, Outdoor Life.

 

George Kerscher Ph.D.

-In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right.

Chief Innovations Officer, DAISY Consortium

http://www.daisy.org

Senior Advisor, Global Literacy, Benetech

http://www.benetech.org

President, International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF)

http://www.idpf.org

Member of the National Museum and Library Services  Board (IMLS)

http://www.imls.gov

Chair Steering Council Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), at W3C

http://www.w3.org/WAI

Phone: +1 406/549-4687

Cell:+1 406/544-2466

Email: kerscher@...

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: speech rate changes to defaults

Gene
 

Here is what the message says.  It does not indicate that what you think may be occurring is.  If you want to ask, I have no objection but without asking, you don’t know.  And the wording of the message appears to be saying that the change happens while the program is being used.  We don’t know that but that is what the wording suggests. 
 
Here is the message:
I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.
 
Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
 

Maybe you should read the original message again, maybe it is you who is making assumptions

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That is an unsupported assumption. Nothing was said indicating that.  Without asking, you don’t know if that is the case.  Also, if the change occurred while the program is running, the person would, assumedly, reset the incorrect setting. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

But if its set to save automatically on exit  then whatever is causing the settings to be changed is occurring whilst using nvda is running , so when the nvda is set to save on exit then it will save the change at that moment in time

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That will accomplish nothing.  The default behavior of NVDA is to save settings on exit.  So, if the default is being used, any time the program was exited or Windows was shut down, closing the program, the changes would have been saved after they were made.  Manually saving them before closing the program accomplishes nothing but saving them manually, not automatically.  You are just saving them earlier.

 

If the program isn’t set to save automatically, you are manually saving the settings applying your suggestion, so they are being saved either way.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Make sure the option to save configuration on nvda exit is unchecked

Then again set your desired setting and save

 

So whatever happens nvda should start with your saved configuration now

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 17 July 2021 17:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hi,

 

It happened again this morning. My configuration was saved. It seems that only the rate reverts to 9 on the rate setting.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 8:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Try saving the configuration after you have set it to what you want it to be set at

 

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 16 July 2021 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hello,

 

On 2021.1, I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.

 

Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.

 

Best

George

 

 

Drawing of a guide dog in harness sitting looking up at a dangling rope in front of a mountain wall. Credits, Outdoor Life.

 

George Kerscher Ph.D.

-In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right.

Chief Innovations Officer, DAISY Consortium

http://www.daisy.org

Senior Advisor, Global Literacy, Benetech

http://www.benetech.org

President, International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF)

http://www.idpf.org

Member of the National Museum and Library Services  Board (IMLS)

http://www.imls.gov

Chair Steering Council Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), at W3C

http://www.w3.org/WAI

Phone: +1 406/549-4687

Cell:+1 406/544-2466

Email: kerscher@...

 

 

 

 

 


Re: What exactly is an "object"?

Jujube
 

Hi, I am sure someone else can explain this better than I can but I
think objects can include anything such as buttons, list items, links,
toolbars, status bars etc...

On 7/17/21, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hello all,



This may be a stupid question, but perhaps if I understand this more
clearly
it could help me use this InScribe medical transcription program I am
fighting with.



The NVDA users guide talks a lot about objects, object navigation, etc.
What
exactly is an "object"? Please keep in mind that I am not a high-end user
or
a programmer.



Thanks for your explanation.



Janet







Re: speech rate changes to defaults

Chris
 

So I was right then ,

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Also, the person tried your solution yesterday and the problem recurred. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That is an unsupported assumption. Nothing was said indicating that.  Without asking, you don’t know if that is the case.  Also, if the change occurred while the program is running, the person would, assumedly, reset the incorrect setting. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

But if its set to save automatically on exit  then whatever is causing the settings to be changed is occurring whilst using nvda is running , so when the nvda is set to save on exit then it will save the change at that moment in time

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That will accomplish nothing.  The default behavior of NVDA is to save settings on exit.  So, if the default is being used, any time the program was exited or Windows was shut down, closing the program, the changes would have been saved after they were made.  Manually saving them before closing the program accomplishes nothing but saving them manually, not automatically.  You are just saving them earlier.

 

If the program isn’t set to save automatically, you are manually saving the settings applying your suggestion, so they are being saved either way.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Make sure the option to save configuration on nvda exit is unchecked

Then again set your desired setting and save

 

So whatever happens nvda should start with your saved configuration now

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 17 July 2021 17:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hi,

 

It happened again this morning. My configuration was saved. It seems that only the rate reverts to 9 on the rate setting.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 8:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Try saving the configuration after you have set it to what you want it to be set at

 

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 16 July 2021 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hello,

 

On 2021.1, I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.

 

Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.

 

Best

George

 

 

Drawing of a guide dog in harness sitting looking up at a dangling rope in front of a mountain wall. Credits, Outdoor Life.

 

George Kerscher Ph.D.

-In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right.

Chief Innovations Officer, DAISY Consortium

http://www.daisy.org

Senior Advisor, Global Literacy, Benetech

http://www.benetech.org

President, International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF)

http://www.idpf.org

Member of the National Museum and Library Services  Board (IMLS)

http://www.imls.gov

Chair Steering Council Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), at W3C

http://www.w3.org/WAI

Phone: +1 406/549-4687

Cell:+1 406/544-2466

Email: kerscher@...

 

 

 

 

 

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