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Re: Are there up to date add-ons for Winamp?

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


My v1.2 shows as encompatible.

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are there up to date add-ons for Winamp?

I still use Winamp for music, myself, but..I’m pretty sure it’s dead software. I am running 5.666 on my desktop, and I installed that 5.8 beta or hack or whatever the hell it is on my laptop. I really think the only thing they did for 5.8 was to remove some dead plugins.

The addon doesn’t seem to do much for me.

 

The good news is, as long as Windows continues to support Windows Direct Sound – winamp will probably still work. Sure, it’s legacy, but not even Foobar uses wasapi natively from what I can tell. Seems audio standards takea  really long time to catch on.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Wettlaufer
Sent: July 15, 2021 07:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are there up to date add-ons for Winamp?

 

Unless something has changed, Winamp isn't out of support.  It was updated to version 5.8 back in 2019 and I believe there are still plans for it.

Odd that the add-on works for some and not for others.  It very definitely doesn't work for me.  I was warned that it would be disabled when I updated and that it was.

Steve

On 2021-07-15 12:11 a.m., Arlene wrote:

Hi, Yes, Bryan is right. Winamp is an old piece of softwhere. I installed the addon Confirmed Ron it works for me. I use it all the time. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: July 14, 2021 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are there up to date add-ons for Winamp?

 

Hi Steve,

I looked in my list of add-ons after updating to 2021.1 and it says enabled and when I use Winamp, it works with no problems. I am running 1.2 of the app.



On 7/14/2021 9:56 PM, Steve Wettlaufer wrote:

Hi everyone,

Forgive me if I missed something here on the list or couldn't find it in a search for some reason, but I'm curious about the availability of add-ons for Winamp.  The Extended Winamp 1.2 that I had been relying on forever obviously no longer works after the 2021.1 version update.  Are there plans for it to be updated?  If not, are there other options out there that perform the same or similar functions?

Thanks,

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Re: NVDA object enhancer addon

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Well, we have a aying here in Italy, which I couldtranslate asfolows, though I don't think it'd convey the strength of the Italian:


"Troppa efficienza porta alla deficienza"  (To much efficiency leads to deficiency). When rules and regulations, guidelines and requirements are too stringent, they end up alienating people and lead to loss of enthusiasm and to deciding to refrain rom sharing valuable ideas.


REady to be banned...


Stay safe,

Ollie

On 18/07/2021 06:11, John Isige wrote:

I agree. I thought of submitting an addon, but frankly I don't feel like signing up to the mailing list, I'm on too many as it is, and I forget what all else you have to go through. All my addon does is reclass a window for a program as a terminal window, it's literally ripped directly from NVDA source for puTTY, I just changed the window/program name, obviously. It seems like a lot of having things just so just to get it approved. I also don't know how many people would be interested in using it. So it works great for me for the BBS client I'm using. But it seemed like a bit of a hassle to get the addon into the pretty specific guidelines wanted for submissions.


On 7/17/2021 6:20 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 06:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

could someone please put the object enhancer customizer addon,
onto the NVDA community addons page

-
That is almost entirely at the discretion of the add-on developer, who must submit the add-on for vetting before it lands there.  And many do not want to do this for a variety of reasons.

I have been pushing/arguing/begging for years that the NVDA Community Add-Ons Page have some option to present Vetted Add-Ons along with a separate section, or page, for unvetted "home grown" add-ons created by various community members.  The fact of the matter is that:

1.  Many developers do not want to undergo the vetting process.
2.  Though vetting is, without doubt, valuable since experienced developers can examine code for fitness, security, etc., and make recommendations to the developer for "tying up any loose ends" in their code, it's not essential.  Both the user community and developer benefit from this process, but it's not essential.
3.  There are quite a few add-ons that have been in common circulation for years that are home grown and unvetted.  They work for those who need the functionality they offer.
4. Users of NVDA are, or should be, perfectly capable of understanding that listing of an add-on on a separate unvetted/at your own risk page means just that.  NVAccess is not responsible for anything that happens when one chooses to use those add-ons.  But it's still a service to the community to have a central distribution point for NVDA add-ons that developers want to place there, but who do not wish to undergo the rigors of the vetting process.

One of the many beauties of NVDA is the abundance of add-ons that have been home grown to address some specific user's need that could then be shared if the person who created it is so inclined.  But right now there is no place to do that, and making that an extension of the existing "add-ons marketplace" is what makes sense.
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Re: object enhancer addon

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


The drop box link where I have also put it is https://www.dropbox.com/s/em89isnfrydpbjk/objEnhancer_2019.2beta1_Gen%20%281%29.nvda-addon?dl=1The english translation is below for it I got told it was in dutch in the add on.


the part to know how to use it.

Under the help section in the add on.

It installs into nvda 2021.1 which i am using now.



A rapid automatic translation with few corrections...
I think it gaves a good idea how it works...

I have already construct the add-on package...

The translation is below my name...

Rui Fontes


# Object Enhancer
* Author: Babbage B.V. <info@...>

Object Enhancer allows you to change how NVDA announces objects on the screen using an intuitive interface. It can be used to change the label of an object, but depending on how you're using it, has functionality to change basically any property of an object.

Changes to an object are saved in a definition.
A definition contains:

* Criteria that have to apply in order for the definition to match
* Attribute changes that will be applied to every object that matches the definition
* Optional relationships with other definitions. A definition can inherrit criteria from other definitions

## Creating your own definitions
Object Enhancer has a graphical interface to make new definitions and edit existing definitions.

To create a new definition for the current navigator object, press NVDA + CONTROL + TAB. This opens the new Definition dialog if no definition is found for the current object, and the existing definition is processed if there is a definition is to edit.

NVDA + Control + Shift + tab opens the main dialog box of the add-on with which you can find out existing definitions and edit existing definitions.

Please note that when you want to make a definition quickly, you can do it best with NVDA + Control + Tab, because you can automatically have certain properties of the object to take over.
For example, when you press this shortcut when the current navigator object is a list item, you can automatically add the current name, role or location to the definition.

### NVDA + Control + Shift + tab opens the main dialog box of the add-on with which you can find out existing definitions and edit existing definitions.

Please note that when you want to make a definition quickly, you can do it best with NVDA + Control + Tab, because you can automatically have certain properties of the object to take over.
For example, when you press this shortcut when the current navigator object is a list item, you can automatically add the current name, role or location to the definition.
NVDA + Control + Shift + tab opens the main dialog box of the add-on with which you can find out existing definitions and edit existing definitions.

Please note that when you want to make a definition quickly, you can do it best with NVDA + Control + Tab, because you can automatically have certain properties of the object to take over.
For example, when you press this shortcut when the current navigator object is a list item, you can automatically add the current name, role or location to the definition.

NVDA + Control + Shift + tab opens the main dialog box of the add-on with which you can find out existing definitions and edit existing definitions.

Please note that when you want to make a definition quickly, you can do it best with NVDA + Control + Tab, because you can automatically have certain properties of the object to take over.
For example, when you press this shortcut when the current navigator object is a list item, you can automatically add the current name, role or location to the definition.

### The Edit New Definition / Definition dialog box consists of the following items:
#### Definition name
A unique name for your definition that you use to recognize it later, and to link it to a different definition if necessary.

#### Filter criteria:
These are the criteria to be used to apply the definition. You can filter on attributes / properties of an object.

Press Add to add a new criteria.
You can choose from the list of relevant object attributes or give up an attribute yourself.
For example, you can choose the WindowsControlID option from the list of attributes, after which the input fields for attribute and value are entered automatically.
For example, if you want to match an object with IAccessibleRole = 10 (ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT), you can also do this manually.

You can also edit the current filter criteria or add an extra value to filter, when you want to match an object that, for example, the value 15 or 16 has for WindowControllID.

#### Attribute changes
In the list of attribute changes you can specify which characteristics of the object should be changed. In most cases you probably want to change the name (name) or description (description).

#### Inherit settings from definition / definition is abstractSettings Overflows of definition / definition is abstract
With this drop-down list and this check box you can set a relationship between different definitions.

Imagine that you have to label multiple buttons in one application.
All buttons have a magicbutton window class name.
You can make a definition with WindowClass = MagicButton and the Definition check box is abstract, do not use it directly.
In the following definitions your settings can overflow from the definition of MagicButton, so that the new definition will behave as if windowClassName = MagicButton is specified as a filter criterion.

#### Treat criteria for object location as absolute screen coordinates
When this option is enabled, location criteria from the criteria section are treated as all other attributes. This means that if you define Locaton = (1, 2, 3, 4), any object without this absolute location does not match.

However, if this option is disabled, this has a large effect on object definitions with more than one location.
For more details we refer you to the English documentation.

#### Definition error handling
With this drop-down list you can decide what should happen if an error occurs when evaluating this definition:

* If set to continuue, the error is ignored and the evaluation continues
* If set to Break, the evaluation is demolished
* If set to Raise, a failing evaluation causes a traceback.

Do not apply this option unless you know what you do, eg because you are a NVDA or Python developer.
Às 16:22 de 08/07/2021, Josh Kennedy escreveu:
Hi
I found an object enhancer addon, it needs packaging, updating to python3, and some English translation. Is there anyone on list who could do this? This addon will let you customize objects just like you can with jaws. The link for the addon is:
https://github.com/BabbageCom/objEnhancer
Josh


Re: NVDA object enhancer addon

John Isige
 

I agree. I thought of submitting an addon, but frankly I don't feel like signing up to the mailing list, I'm on too many as it is, and I forget what all else you have to go through. All my addon does is reclass a window for a program as a terminal window, it's literally ripped directly from NVDA source for puTTY, I just changed the window/program name, obviously. It seems like a lot of having things just so just to get it approved. I also don't know how many people would be interested in using it. So it works great for me for the BBS client I'm using. But it seemed like a bit of a hassle to get the addon into the pretty specific guidelines wanted for submissions.


On 7/17/2021 6:20 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 06:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
could someone please put the object enhancer customizer addon, onto the NVDA community addons page
-
That is almost entirely at the discretion of the add-on developer, who must submit the add-on for vetting before it lands there.  And many do not want to do this for a variety of reasons.

I have been pushing/arguing/begging for years that the NVDA Community Add-Ons Page have some option to present Vetted Add-Ons along with a separate section, or page, for unvetted "home grown" add-ons created by various community members.  The fact of the matter is that:

1.  Many developers do not want to undergo the vetting process.
2.  Though vetting is, without doubt, valuable since experienced developers can examine code for fitness, security, etc., and make recommendations to the developer for "tying up any loose ends" in their code, it's not essential.  Both the user community and developer benefit from this process, but it's not essential.
3.  There are quite a few add-ons that have been in common circulation for years that are home grown and unvetted.  They work for those who need the functionality they offer.
4. Users of NVDA are, or should be, perfectly capable of understanding that listing of an add-on on a separate unvetted/at your own risk page means just that.  NVAccess is not responsible for anything that happens when one chooses to use those add-ons.  But it's still a service to the community to have a central distribution point for NVDA add-ons that developers want to place there, but who do not wish to undergo the rigors of the vetting process.

One of the many beauties of NVDA is the abundance of add-ons that have been home grown to address some specific user's need that could then be shared if the person who created it is so inclined.  But right now there is no place to do that, and making that an extension of the existing "add-ons marketplace" is what makes sense.
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Re: Problem with having Admin Rights under UAC when using NVDA Remote

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 07:44 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I've been having that problem since nvda remote was released.
-
And I'll note that it's not just NVDA Remote.  There are a number of remote access utilities where this can occasionally occur, and not just for UAC.  I have had occasions where specific keystrokes will not work "on the remote side" regardless of what I do.  Luckily I am, in virtually all cases, working with someone and just ask them to hit the thing I need to have hit, and then things march right along.
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Re: speech rate changes to defaults

Sarah k Alawami
 

They are not saying though if this is happening during use, or after nvda is closed, or the next time the computer reboots, the message is very vague.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Here is what the message says.  It does not indicate that what you think may be occurring is.  If you want to ask, I have no objection but without asking, you don’t know.  And the wording of the message appears to be saying that the change happens while the program is being used.  We don’t know that but that is what the wording suggests. 

 

Here is the message:

I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.

 

Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Maybe you should read the original message again, maybe it is you who is making assumptions

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That is an unsupported assumption. Nothing was said indicating that.  Without asking, you don’t know if that is the case.  Also, if the change occurred while the program is running, the person would, assumedly, reset the incorrect setting. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

But if its set to save automatically on exit  then whatever is causing the settings to be changed is occurring whilst using nvda is running , so when the nvda is set to save on exit then it will save the change at that moment in time

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That will accomplish nothing.  The default behavior of NVDA is to save settings on exit.  So, if the default is being used, any time the program was exited or Windows was shut down, closing the program, the changes would have been saved after they were made.  Manually saving them before closing the program accomplishes nothing but saving them manually, not automatically.  You are just saving them earlier.

 

If the program isn’t set to save automatically, you are manually saving the settings applying your suggestion, so they are being saved either way.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Make sure the option to save configuration on nvda exit is unchecked

Then again set your desired setting and save

 

So whatever happens nvda should start with your saved configuration now

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 17 July 2021 17:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hi,

 

It happened again this morning. My configuration was saved. It seems that only the rate reverts to 9 on the rate setting.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 8:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Try saving the configuration after you have set it to what you want it to be set at

 

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 16 July 2021 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hello,

 

On 2021.1, I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.

 

Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.

 

Best

George

 

 

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Re: Problem with having Admin Rights under UAC when using NVDA Remote

Sarah k Alawami
 

I've been having that problem since nvda remote was released. I lost control of someone's computer and they had to hit yes, this was 2 years ago when I was showing them something.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jelal Bairamoglou
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 10:46 AM
To: NVDAGroups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Problem with having Admin Rights under UAC when using NVDA Remote

Problem in Remote in, UAC: User Account Control.Administrator's rights.
When I copy the settings from NVDA, Use Currently Saved Settings During Sign-in and On Secure Screens.
I do not have access rights Administrator, in this case I need to zero the UAC level.
This is a big problem, you need someone to be up there and press yes.
This is the case after the upgrade.


Re: NVDA object enhancer addon

 

Hi all,

Brian's vision is becoming clearer - a comet is coming closer that will bring his vision to life. Ask me offlist for the meaning of my statement.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA object enhancer addon

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 06:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
could someone please put the object enhancer customizer addon, onto the NVDA community addons page
-
That is almost entirely at the discretion of the add-on developer, who must submit the add-on for vetting before it lands there.  And many do not want to do this for a variety of reasons.

I have been pushing/arguing/begging for years that the NVDA Community Add-Ons Page have some option to present Vetted Add-Ons along with a separate section, or page, for unvetted "home grown" add-ons created by various community members.  The fact of the matter is that:

1.  Many developers do not want to undergo the vetting process.
2.  Though vetting is, without doubt, valuable since experienced developers can examine code for fitness, security, etc., and make recommendations to the developer for "tying up any loose ends" in their code, it's not essential.  Both the user community and developer benefit from this process, but it's not essential.
3.  There are quite a few add-ons that have been in common circulation for years that are home grown and unvetted.  They work for those who need the functionality they offer.
4. Users of NVDA are, or should be, perfectly capable of understanding that listing of an add-on on a separate unvetted/at your own risk page means just that.  NVAccess is not responsible for anything that happens when one chooses to use those add-ons.  But it's still a service to the community to have a central distribution point for NVDA add-ons that developers want to place there, but who do not wish to undergo the rigors of the vetting process.

One of the many beauties of NVDA is the abundance of add-ons that have been home grown to address some specific user's need that could then be shared if the person who created it is so inclined.  But right now there is no place to do that, and making that an extension of the existing "add-ons marketplace" is what makes sense.
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Re: NVDA object enhancer addon

Jackie
 

The language is Dutch.

On 7/17/21, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi

I agree as well.


Plus a english translation in the add on I am not sure what language it
is in but Rui done a quick translation for it in english in a email


So as long as you can follow directions you are right plus it works with
nvda 2021.1 as well.


Gene nz


On 18/07/2021 10:49 am, Josh Kennedy wrote:
could someone please put the object enhancer customizer addon, onto
the NVDA community addons page so it can be found and installed
easier? Currently it is only available through a dropbox link.

thanks




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Re: NVDA object enhancer addon

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi

I agree as well.


Plus a english translation in the add on I am not sure what language it is in but Rui done a quick translation for it in english in a email


So as long as you can follow directions you are right plus it works with nvda 2021.1 as well.


Gene nz


On 18/07/2021 10:49 am, Josh Kennedy wrote:
could someone please put the object enhancer customizer addon, onto the NVDA community addons page so it can be found and installed easier? Currently it is only available through a dropbox link. 

thanks


NVDA object enhancer addon

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

could someone please put the object enhancer customizer addon, onto the NVDA community addons page so it can be found and installed easier? Currently it is only available through a dropbox link. 

thanks


Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

Jackie
 

Weird. Thanks for the heads-up on the PDF-Xchange viewer. I've
downloaded it now just because I often get requests from folks who
need a free OCR solution.

On 7/17/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Jackie,

I don't use Adobe Acrobat DC, as I've not cared for Adobe's own readers for
some years now, and they keep getting worse and worse as far as my personal
taste goes.  I've been using Tracker Software's PDF-XChange Viewer for
years, even though they call it a "discontinued download" it's still
available from their site and they've updated it many times since its
deprecation to discontinued status.  It is absolutely not a good general
purpose reader for screen reader users, as it's not accessible in its
entirety (or even close to it) and will never become so.  That being said, I
often recommend it to blind users who need to OCR process lots of old
image-scanned PDFs and save the resulting text layer along with the original
image content and never need to OCR it again (and to be able to give it to
the source of the original file and ask them to use it instead so no one has
to do this work again).  It's OCR capabilities are remarkable, and free, and
in addition to English, Spanish, German, and French that "come with" you can
also get many additional language packs, either separately or all of them at
once, for no cost.  And the OCR function is entirely accessible, and proved
to be invaluable for several of my former clients who were in graduate
school at the time and got lots of ancient image scanned PDFs as part of
their course reading material.  I also had a private client at one point who
found the ability to OCR Swedish language texts really, really helpful.

I'm printing out of Brave and have used PDF Creator (my usual preferred
virtual printing utility), Brave's own Print to PDF option, and Microsoft's
Print to PDF virtual printer.  The only one of those that's created a PDF
that I can then apply OCR on successfully, for the NVDA 2021.1 Commands
Quick Reference, is MS's.  That's never happened to me in the past, and I
could not begin to count how many PDFs I've generated via virtual printers,
particularly PDF Creator, that did not have this issue.
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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

 

Jackie,

I don't use Adobe Acrobat DC, as I've not cared for Adobe's own readers for some years now, and they keep getting worse and worse as far as my personal taste goes.  I've been using Tracker Software's PDF-XChange Viewer for years, even though they call it a "discontinued download" it's still available from their site and they've updated it many times since its deprecation to discontinued status.  It is absolutely not a good general purpose reader for screen reader users, as it's not accessible in its entirety (or even close to it) and will never become so.  That being said, I often recommend it to blind users who need to OCR process lots of old image-scanned PDFs and save the resulting text layer along with the original image content and never need to OCR it again (and to be able to give it to the source of the original file and ask them to use it instead so no one has to do this work again).  It's OCR capabilities are remarkable, and free, and in addition to English, Spanish, German, and French that "come with" you can also get many additional language packs, either separately or all of them at once, for no cost.  And the OCR function is entirely accessible, and proved to be invaluable for several of my former clients who were in graduate school at the time and got lots of ancient image scanned PDFs as part of their course reading material.  I also had a private client at one point who found the ability to OCR Swedish language texts really, really helpful.

I'm printing out of Brave and have used PDF Creator (my usual preferred virtual printing utility), Brave's own Print to PDF option, and Microsoft's Print to PDF virtual printer.  The only one of those that's created a PDF that I can then apply OCR on successfully, for the NVDA 2021.1 Commands Quick Reference, is MS's.  That's never happened to me in the past, and I could not begin to count how many PDFs I've generated via virtual printers, particularly PDF Creator, that did not have this issue.
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Re: Two Janets was NVDA find command not working

Jackie
 

Thanks, Brian, :). She was incredibly gracious about it all. I guess
it is an easy mistake to make. 1 time I had an acquaintance whose
girlfriend's name was also Jackie accidentally send me some very
private material that was clearly meant for her lol. In that case
auto-complete struck again. In my case it was stupidity pure & simple.

On 7/17/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 05:25 PM, Jackie wrote:


I'm an idiot.
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Of the many things I might be inclined to use as a descriptor for you, idiot
is not among those.  You're human, that's for sure, and made a mistake
that's very, very easy to make!
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The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel





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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

Jackie
 

Brian, using Firefox & Microsoft print to pdf, I was able to use
ctrl+NVDA+f to search text in Acrobat, using the 32-bit version. The
reading is terrible, because, for some reason, spaces in acrobat
reader aren't being recognized anymore, so just about every Acrobat
document reads crappy now. But it works.

What also worked for me is to do a quick ctrl+a, ctrl+c & paste it in
either Wordpad, Notepad, or Word.

I know you know these methods, I'm certainly not trying to be
condescending, so I'm wondering precisely what versions of browser &
Acrobat you're using?

On 7/17/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 05:27 PM, Jackie wrote:


printing using the Microsoft print to
pdf utility also works.
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I'll also try that, but what I'm trying to say is that none of these print
to PDF options is generating a searchable PDF, and even if I manually run
OCR on those files in PDF-XChange Viewer, and save the result, I get nada as
far as searchability.

It's the strangest thing I've ever encountered.  I would have thought, given
that the source HTML file is almost purely text based, that any resulting
PDF generated via any virtual printer method would have defaulted to being a
searchable PDF with no need to do OCR processing on it to begin with.

But the OCR just not working is just bizarre.  I've done OCR on source
material many times that were image scanned PDFs with "sketchy quality"
source material or scanning or both, where the OCR results are perfect or
close to it.  Strange . . .
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The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 05:27 PM, Jackie wrote:
Microsoft print to pdf utility also works.
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By the way, I just tried this method to create the PDF, and although the initial result is not searchable, the OCR processing on that file by PDF-XChange Viewer does work, so I can save the text layer as part of the processed file and have it be searchable when I next open it.

This is the first and only time that I've ever hit any PDF file created by one virtual printer versus another be able to be successfully OCR processed for only one of those virtual printer files.  

But, as I frequently say, we all need to have backup/workaround methods in our back pockets when our preferred method doesn't want to cooperate!
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 05:27 PM, Jackie wrote:
printing using the Microsoft print to
pdf utility also works.
-
I'll also try that, but what I'm trying to say is that none of these print to PDF options is generating a searchable PDF, and even if I manually run OCR on those files in PDF-XChange Viewer, and save the result, I get nada as far as searchability.

It's the strangest thing I've ever encountered.  I would have thought, given that the source HTML file is almost purely text based, that any resulting PDF generated via any virtual printer method would have defaulted to being a searchable PDF with no need to do OCR processing on it to begin with.

But the OCR just not working is just bizarre.  I've done OCR on source material many times that were image scanned PDFs with "sketchy quality" source material or scanning or both, where the OCR results are perfect or close to it.  Strange . . .
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Two Janets was NVDA find command not working

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 05:25 PM, Jackie wrote:
I'm an idiot.
-
Of the many things I might be inclined to use as a descriptor for you, idiot is not among those.  You're human, that's for sure, and made a mistake that's very, very easy to make!
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

Jackie
 

& if you *really* want a pdf, printing using the Microsoft print to
pdf utility also works.

On 7/17/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you gentlemen.  Both of those are useful workarounds.

I do have to say I'd like to keep the formatting, though.  I'll try opening
one of the PDFs using word, and saving out the resulting docx to see what
happens.

The above being said, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to "pack
and ship" a searchable document format of this reference with NVDA itself,
but I may be the very odd bird who likes to have these references available
separate from the screen reader even when I am using the screen reader.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel





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