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Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry!

Do you mean to NVDA 2020.4?


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 22:12 de 18/07/2021, Curtis Delzer escreveu:

I wish to download the version to just b4 the newest NVDA. Where do I do that?


Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

 

See also this message in the archive:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/16890 

NVDA has been able to do this natively, but not particularly easily if you're dealing with a lot of characters in succession.  But if it's a very occasional need, you may not even require the add-on.
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Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

 

As it happens, Rui Fontes posted a link to his own mod of this add-on to make it 2021.1 compatible during the alpha/beta period of 2021.1.  You should still contact the actual developer of the original add-on.

The message in which Rui gave the dropbox link to his mod is:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/84674 
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Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

 

You are thinking of one of David CM's add-ons, EnhancedPhoneticReading.

His main GitHub page is:  https://github.com/davidacm and all of his add-ons can be found there.  His email address is:  dhf360@...

The last version of this was released in 2019, so it's not at all likely to be compatible with NVDA 2021.1, though it might be very, very easy for the developer to make it so.

I would contact him about this.
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Re: Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 05:30 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
This is a mystery!  LOL! 
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If you are able, record that voice when it typically occurs, and upload the resultant recording to a file sharing service so that those who wish to can actually listen to it.

There are lots of people who can recognize voice and synth that produces it with great ease, but you have to hear it first.
 
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That's what life is about.  And in that order.

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Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

 

Prior versions of NVDA are available for download for quite a while after a given version goes out of support.

NVDA 2020.4 is downloadable using this link:  https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2020.4/nvda_2020.4.exe

You can substitute the respective release number in the URL above in the two positions where it occurs and you'll be able to snag another older version instead.

 

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That's what life is about.  And in that order.

        ~ Liza Minnelli

 


Re: Voices With NVDA Question Please.

Pamela Dominguez
 

You say this voice is clear.  Well, it is saying a certain phrase or phrases when the program first comes on.  The question is, will it be as clear when it has to read other things that are not already programmed into it?  Pam.
 

From: janet
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.
 

Gene,

Thank you as well, I’m going to try my best to find out just what is this voice.  The voice I am talking about is very natural as well as clear.  I don’t believe I ever heard a screen reader to sound this natural and clear in the little over 30 years I’ve been using a screen reader.  This is a mystery!  LOL!  The voice I am talking about what ever it is called, also tells me the day, and the time, as well as it says hello at the welcome screen. 

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

I don’t have Windows 10 and I can’t discuss how to use Narrator in that version of Windows.  But there must be a way to find out what voice Narrator is using.  Whether this can be done in Narrator settings itself or in some other way or more than one way, I don’t know.  In the old days, Narrator used the Windows’ default voice.  I don’t know what it uses now. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: janet

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 7:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

Gene,

That’s a good question, I wish I knew.  The voice that comes on my machine is not even close to David or Mark though.  Do you know how I can raise the speech rate on Narrator?  I would like to see just how much more Narrator will sound if I raise the speech rate.  I’m very sure the voice I am talking about and the Narrator voice are very similar. 

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

The next question appears to be how  do you find out which voice Narrator is using.

 

Gene

p-----Original Message-----

From: janet

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

Hi,

No it is not even close to Mark or David.  Although, it does sound very very similar to Narrator.   If that makes any sense, I’m not sure. 

Janet

Janet ,

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

Could it be Microsoft Mark?

 

 

On 7/15/2021 4:28 PM, janet wrote:

Brian,

Ok, I finally got my Laptop turned on, and I tried the voices especially David, and the voice I am talking about and the voice of David, are as different as day and night.  I turned JAWS, NVDA off, and I turned on Narrator, and the voice I am talking about and Narrator sound very very similar.  Could this be possible?

 

Janet  

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

I just installed NVDA 2021.1 and I'll bet my bottom dollar that the voice now used by the installer is Microsoft David, which is a Microsoft OneCore Voice.

I use David as my voice with NVDA, but at a slightly faster rate, and if it's not Microsoft David it's so close that using MS David would probably suit anyone who likes that installer voice.
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Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

Gerardo Corripio
 

2 questions
1.-what’s the name of the addOn that when you put yourself on the letter with the arrows, after waiting a few seconds, it’ll tel you for example P Papa b bravo etc?
And 2.-Is this AddOn compatible yet with NVDA21.1? And if so I can’t seem to find it on the official AddOns page updated.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

I wish to download the version to just b4 the newest NVDA. Where do I do that?

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Re: speech rate changes to defaults

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 03:39 PM, George Kerscher wrote:
I will report back here if the issue reappears. It has gone away for now, i.e. I can no longer force the behavior.
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First, thank you for such a fine report on your findings, how to force the issue you had, and how you've resolved it.

Please report back even if the issue does not reappear for a period of time where you're reasonably confident that "the fix has taken."  That's valuable information to have, too.  Also, if it should recur at some unspecified point in time in the future, please report that, too, as these things can often have multiple contributing factors.
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Re: speech rate changes to defaults

George Kerscher
 

Hello,

 

I was able to recreate/force the issue. I was in outlook reading an email with a .docx attachment. When I opened the Word file, my rate changed to system defaults. It also changed the rate for the normal configuration, the outlook configuration. When I changed these back to 25, I was not allowed to save the configuration. It said I did not have permission, probably the file is locked.

 

I deleted the WinWord configuration and resaved the outlook and normal default configuration.

 

I suspect that being inside outlook and then running the WinWord configuration somehow confused NVDA.

 

I will report back here if the issue reappears. It has gone away for now, i.e. I can no longer force the behavior.

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

For accuracy and completeness, I should add that its possible something might go wrong with NVDA and no settings would be saved when they are saved either automatically or manually.  That is very unlikely and since no settings would be saved, that would likely have been discussed if it were the cause of the problem. 

 

Aside from that, the only time I can think of automatic saving not working where manual saving would is if the program crashes on exit.  If it crashes too soon, the automatic savings function might not have run before the crash.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

No.  You said to save the settings manually, which the user did.  the problem occurred after the settings were saved.  You appear to be saying that the automatic save the settings would save the wrong settings after the settngs are manually saved.  It won’t.  When you manually save the settings, the new settings replace the old ones in the configuration file.  Shutting down the machine will not cause old settings to replace the nhhew ones.  They no longer exist.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

So I was right then ,

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Also, the person tried your solution yesterday and the problem recurred. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That is an unsupported assumption. Nothing was said indicating that.  Without asking, you don’t know if that is the case.  Also, if the change occurred while the program is running, the person would, assumedly, reset the incorrect setting. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

But if its set to save automatically on exit  then whatever is causing the settings to be changed is occurring whilst using nvda is running , so when the nvda is set to save on exit then it will save the change at that moment in time

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

That will accomplish nothing.  The default behavior of NVDA is to save settings on exit.  So, if the default is being used, any time the program was exited or Windows was shut down, closing the program, the changes would have been saved after they were made.  Manually saving them before closing the program accomplishes nothing but saving them manually, not automatically.  You are just saving them earlier.

 

If the program isn’t set to save automatically, you are manually saving the settings applying your suggestion, so they are being saved either way.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Make sure the option to save configuration on nvda exit is unchecked

Then again set your desired setting and save

 

So whatever happens nvda should start with your saved configuration now

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 17 July 2021 17:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hi,

 

It happened again this morning. My configuration was saved. It seems that only the rate reverts to 9 on the rate setting.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 8:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Try saving the configuration after you have set it to what you want it to be set at

 

 

 

From: George Kerscher
Sent: 16 July 2021 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults

 

Hello,

 

On 2021.1, I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.

 

Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.

 

Best

George

 

 

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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 08:56 AM, Martin McCormick wrote:
It's [plain text] a clunky old format but I wish more emails and manuals existed in ASCII text because, while operating systems, computers and the objects they use to process everything come and go, plain text is the one common denominator.
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The problem being that these texts are meant to be read by sighted humans, and plain text is just a horrible, horrible format for that purpose.

These electronic formats that allowed the reproduction of what had been in use for hundreds of years in printed materials came into existence because the primary purpose is ease of reading, including all the information carried by formatting, for the vast majority of readers, who happen to be sighted.  And the conventions used in print media came about because they allow a myriad of things to be communicated with ease using things such as table layouts, italics, different fonts and font sizes, and the list goes on and on and where the visual presentation itself is what aids this.

And, though I'll possibly be excoriated for making this observation, if you are writing anything beyond quick notes or emails or similar you simply have to write for a sighted audience as far as knowing how formatting works, at least if you want to operate in the world at large.  The sighted world is the primary target for written information.  The very medium itself was invented as a visual medium (even though Louis Braille did a brilliant transcription into a tactile medium, but there is a loss of certain meta-content embedded in the visual version when doing so for certain things).

These formats exist because they serve a very vital purpose.  It may not be one that serves you, personally, as an individual, but they still serve a vital purpose for a simply massive audience.
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Re: Two Janets was NVDA find command not working

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 09:35 AM, John Altmeyer wrote:
Inquiring minds want to know how the man himself says it.
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Every Vogel I've ever met, and including those with variants like Vogelsang, has used a long O and hard G (as in get).  The E is pretty much elided out entirely, as the transition from hard G to L is incredibly rapid.

The V is as in the English word victory.
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Re: NVDA object enhancer addon

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 06:16 AM, Mallard wrote:
REady to be banned...
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Why?  There is nothing inappropriate in what you've shared.

I have often said that there is no value at all in constantly being chipper and cheerful and refusing to acknowledge unpleasant or difficult realities.  Just as there's no value in suppressing heated disagreement about ideas or techniques.  Adults can and do disagree, and if they can do that without being disagreeable, it serves a purpose.

And you're hardly the only person to observe that red tape (or whatever it may be called in one's own cultural context) can quickly strangle the enthusiasm and life out of many things.
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Re: Two Janets was NVDA find command not working

John Altmeyer
 

Brian, I have noticed that your last-name pronunciation varies from one synth to another.  Inquiring minds want to know how the man himself says it.

On 07/17/2021 5:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 05:15 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:
It is another Janet who was asking about voices for NVDA
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This is one reason I really encourage people who want to use their given names to, at the very least, give the initial letter of their surname when setting up an account.

I can't count the number of Chrises and Mikes, to name but two, that I see within and across groups.  And remembering which Chris or Mike is which is a PITA.

Groups.io actually gives you the ability to tweak your Display Name, among other things, on this specific account page:  https://groups.io/account?page=profile&member_info_id=0 
You do, of course, have to log in or be logged in prior to going there.  Even if you choose a distinctive display name that's better than a single, dirt common (and that's not an insult, just an observation, as Brian is about as dirt common as given names come) display name.  Hence the reason I chose to have my full, real name as my Display Name.  But I could have gone with something like "Bri the Tech Guy" and it would still be very easy to distinguish me from all the other Brians who show up simply as "Brian" or with no display name at all.
 
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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)

Martin McCormick
 

I've been following this thread back from when it started out as
the very intelligent question of "What is an Object?"

This discussion is in English. The only other language
that I speak any of at all is Spanish and what we appear to be
talking about is nothing less than how the human brain processes
concepts.

We humans tend to try to simplify ideas to wrap our minds
around a particular concept so we come up with an expression as a container
for that whole idea such as fire or disease prevention, both
concepts contain huge numbers of actions and smaller-scope ideas
which, all together, constitute the big concept of disease
prevention or fire prevention.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread or these
threads because the concept of what classifies as an object is
very important but difficult to simply answer other than to think of
it as a container or box that could be of any size which holds
anything from one instruction to a whole series of programs or
modules.

In the unix operating system, one of the strangest feelings
I ever had was to learn that the unix kernel is one giant program
or object without which nothing else works.

The same is true with Windows or any other operating
system that comes to mind.

The world is an object so is a light switch but the scope
of the light switch as a pair of contacts that make or break the
circuit is easy to understand while the whole world will never
totally be understood by any one person. When the contacts in
the light switch corrode such that even though they appear to be
touching, a small layer of oxide keeps them electrically apart,
we have an unanticipated factor in this simple object that only a
person familiar with how light switches die feels comfortable and
others just scratch their heads.

Another suggestion for making something searchable is to
save it as ASCII text. It's a clunky old format but I wish more
emails and manuals existed in ASCII text because, while operating
systems, computers and the objects they use to process everything
come and go, plain text is the one common denominator. Even
there, nothing is fool-proof because one might know there is an
expression such as "stochastic resonance" in the document one is
searching but stochastic happens to be on one line and resonance
is the first word of the next line so, if your search engine is
too elementary, it will blow right by the object of your search
and you'll miss it. I can't count the number of times I have
looked for information in documents and not found it because of
spelling errors on my part, spelling errors on the part of the
person writing the document or formatting-related issues that
appeared to obscure the expression when it was there in plain
text all the time, just rearranged slightly . When we search for
some expression, we may deal with regular expressions which are
more objects that break text in to classifications such as
numbers, letters and white space.


Martin

"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> writes:

Thank you gentlemen. Both of those are useful workarounds.

I do have to say I'd like to keep the formatting, though. I'll try
opening one of the PDFs using word, and saving out the resulting docx to
see what happens.

The above being said, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to "pack
and ship" a searchable document format of this reference with NVDA
itself, but I may be the very odd bird who likes to have these references
available separate from the screen reader even when I am using the screen
reader.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their
actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions,
and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What
you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

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Re: Are there up to date add-ons for Winamp?

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


My v1.2 shows as encompatible.

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are there up to date add-ons for Winamp?

I still use Winamp for music, myself, but..I’m pretty sure it’s dead software. I am running 5.666 on my desktop, and I installed that 5.8 beta or hack or whatever the hell it is on my laptop. I really think the only thing they did for 5.8 was to remove some dead plugins.

The addon doesn’t seem to do much for me.

 

The good news is, as long as Windows continues to support Windows Direct Sound – winamp will probably still work. Sure, it’s legacy, but not even Foobar uses wasapi natively from what I can tell. Seems audio standards takea  really long time to catch on.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Wettlaufer
Sent: July 15, 2021 07:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are there up to date add-ons for Winamp?

 

Unless something has changed, Winamp isn't out of support.  It was updated to version 5.8 back in 2019 and I believe there are still plans for it.

Odd that the add-on works for some and not for others.  It very definitely doesn't work for me.  I was warned that it would be disabled when I updated and that it was.

Steve

On 2021-07-15 12:11 a.m., Arlene wrote:

Hi, Yes, Bryan is right. Winamp is an old piece of softwhere. I installed the addon Confirmed Ron it works for me. I use it all the time. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: July 14, 2021 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are there up to date add-ons for Winamp?

 

Hi Steve,

I looked in my list of add-ons after updating to 2021.1 and it says enabled and when I use Winamp, it works with no problems. I am running 1.2 of the app.



On 7/14/2021 9:56 PM, Steve Wettlaufer wrote:

Hi everyone,

Forgive me if I missed something here on the list or couldn't find it in a search for some reason, but I'm curious about the availability of add-ons for Winamp.  The Extended Winamp 1.2 that I had been relying on forever obviously no longer works after the 2021.1 version update.  Are there plans for it to be updated?  If not, are there other options out there that perform the same or similar functions?

Thanks,

Steve









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Re: NVDA object enhancer addon

Mallard
 

Well, we have a aying here in Italy, which I couldtranslate asfolows, though I don't think it'd convey the strength of the Italian:


"Troppa efficienza porta alla deficienza"  (To much efficiency leads to deficiency). When rules and regulations, guidelines and requirements are too stringent, they end up alienating people and lead to loss of enthusiasm and to deciding to refrain rom sharing valuable ideas.


REady to be banned...


Stay safe,

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On 18/07/2021 06:11, John Isige wrote:

I agree. I thought of submitting an addon, but frankly I don't feel like signing up to the mailing list, I'm on too many as it is, and I forget what all else you have to go through. All my addon does is reclass a window for a program as a terminal window, it's literally ripped directly from NVDA source for puTTY, I just changed the window/program name, obviously. It seems like a lot of having things just so just to get it approved. I also don't know how many people would be interested in using it. So it works great for me for the BBS client I'm using. But it seemed like a bit of a hassle to get the addon into the pretty specific guidelines wanted for submissions.


On 7/17/2021 6:20 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 06:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

could someone please put the object enhancer customizer addon,
onto the NVDA community addons page

-
That is almost entirely at the discretion of the add-on developer, who must submit the add-on for vetting before it lands there.  And many do not want to do this for a variety of reasons.

I have been pushing/arguing/begging for years that the NVDA Community Add-Ons Page have some option to present Vetted Add-Ons along with a separate section, or page, for unvetted "home grown" add-ons created by various community members.  The fact of the matter is that:

1.  Many developers do not want to undergo the vetting process.
2.  Though vetting is, without doubt, valuable since experienced developers can examine code for fitness, security, etc., and make recommendations to the developer for "tying up any loose ends" in their code, it's not essential.  Both the user community and developer benefit from this process, but it's not essential.
3.  There are quite a few add-ons that have been in common circulation for years that are home grown and unvetted.  They work for those who need the functionality they offer.
4. Users of NVDA are, or should be, perfectly capable of understanding that listing of an add-on on a separate unvetted/at your own risk page means just that.  NVAccess is not responsible for anything that happens when one chooses to use those add-ons.  But it's still a service to the community to have a central distribution point for NVDA add-ons that developers want to place there, but who do not wish to undergo the rigors of the vetting process.

One of the many beauties of NVDA is the abundance of add-ons that have been home grown to address some specific user's need that could then be shared if the person who created it is so inclined.  But right now there is no place to do that, and making that an extension of the existing "add-ons marketplace" is what makes sense.
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/I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are./

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Re: object enhancer addon

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


The drop box link where I have also put it is https://www.dropbox.com/s/em89isnfrydpbjk/objEnhancer_2019.2beta1_Gen%20%281%29.nvda-addon?dl=1The english translation is below for it I got told it was in dutch in the add on.


the part to know how to use it.

Under the help section in the add on.

It installs into nvda 2021.1 which i am using now.



A rapid automatic translation with few corrections...
I think it gaves a good idea how it works...

I have already construct the add-on package...

The translation is below my name...

Rui Fontes


# Object Enhancer
* Author: Babbage B.V. <info@...>

Object Enhancer allows you to change how NVDA announces objects on the screen using an intuitive interface. It can be used to change the label of an object, but depending on how you're using it, has functionality to change basically any property of an object.

Changes to an object are saved in a definition.
A definition contains:

* Criteria that have to apply in order for the definition to match
* Attribute changes that will be applied to every object that matches the definition
* Optional relationships with other definitions. A definition can inherrit criteria from other definitions

## Creating your own definitions
Object Enhancer has a graphical interface to make new definitions and edit existing definitions.

To create a new definition for the current navigator object, press NVDA + CONTROL + TAB. This opens the new Definition dialog if no definition is found for the current object, and the existing definition is processed if there is a definition is to edit.

NVDA + Control + Shift + tab opens the main dialog box of the add-on with which you can find out existing definitions and edit existing definitions.

Please note that when you want to make a definition quickly, you can do it best with NVDA + Control + Tab, because you can automatically have certain properties of the object to take over.
For example, when you press this shortcut when the current navigator object is a list item, you can automatically add the current name, role or location to the definition.

### NVDA + Control + Shift + tab opens the main dialog box of the add-on with which you can find out existing definitions and edit existing definitions.

Please note that when you want to make a definition quickly, you can do it best with NVDA + Control + Tab, because you can automatically have certain properties of the object to take over.
For example, when you press this shortcut when the current navigator object is a list item, you can automatically add the current name, role or location to the definition.
NVDA + Control + Shift + tab opens the main dialog box of the add-on with which you can find out existing definitions and edit existing definitions.

Please note that when you want to make a definition quickly, you can do it best with NVDA + Control + Tab, because you can automatically have certain properties of the object to take over.
For example, when you press this shortcut when the current navigator object is a list item, you can automatically add the current name, role or location to the definition.

NVDA + Control + Shift + tab opens the main dialog box of the add-on with which you can find out existing definitions and edit existing definitions.

Please note that when you want to make a definition quickly, you can do it best with NVDA + Control + Tab, because you can automatically have certain properties of the object to take over.
For example, when you press this shortcut when the current navigator object is a list item, you can automatically add the current name, role or location to the definition.

### The Edit New Definition / Definition dialog box consists of the following items:
#### Definition name
A unique name for your definition that you use to recognize it later, and to link it to a different definition if necessary.

#### Filter criteria:
These are the criteria to be used to apply the definition. You can filter on attributes / properties of an object.

Press Add to add a new criteria.
You can choose from the list of relevant object attributes or give up an attribute yourself.
For example, you can choose the WindowsControlID option from the list of attributes, after which the input fields for attribute and value are entered automatically.
For example, if you want to match an object with IAccessibleRole = 10 (ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT), you can also do this manually.

You can also edit the current filter criteria or add an extra value to filter, when you want to match an object that, for example, the value 15 or 16 has for WindowControllID.

#### Attribute changes
In the list of attribute changes you can specify which characteristics of the object should be changed. In most cases you probably want to change the name (name) or description (description).

#### Inherit settings from definition / definition is abstractSettings Overflows of definition / definition is abstract
With this drop-down list and this check box you can set a relationship between different definitions.

Imagine that you have to label multiple buttons in one application.
All buttons have a magicbutton window class name.
You can make a definition with WindowClass = MagicButton and the Definition check box is abstract, do not use it directly.
In the following definitions your settings can overflow from the definition of MagicButton, so that the new definition will behave as if windowClassName = MagicButton is specified as a filter criterion.

#### Treat criteria for object location as absolute screen coordinates
When this option is enabled, location criteria from the criteria section are treated as all other attributes. This means that if you define Locaton = (1, 2, 3, 4), any object without this absolute location does not match.

However, if this option is disabled, this has a large effect on object definitions with more than one location.
For more details we refer you to the English documentation.

#### Definition error handling
With this drop-down list you can decide what should happen if an error occurs when evaluating this definition:

* If set to continuue, the error is ignored and the evaluation continues
* If set to Break, the evaluation is demolished
* If set to Raise, a failing evaluation causes a traceback.

Do not apply this option unless you know what you do, eg because you are a NVDA or Python developer.
Às 16:22 de 08/07/2021, Josh Kennedy escreveu:
Hi
I found an object enhancer addon, it needs packaging, updating to python3, and some English translation. Is there anyone on list who could do this? This addon will let you customize objects just like you can with jaws. The link for the addon is:
https://github.com/BabbageCom/objEnhancer
Josh


Re: NVDA object enhancer addon

John Isige
 

I agree. I thought of submitting an addon, but frankly I don't feel like signing up to the mailing list, I'm on too many as it is, and I forget what all else you have to go through. All my addon does is reclass a window for a program as a terminal window, it's literally ripped directly from NVDA source for puTTY, I just changed the window/program name, obviously. It seems like a lot of having things just so just to get it approved. I also don't know how many people would be interested in using it. So it works great for me for the BBS client I'm using. But it seemed like a bit of a hassle to get the addon into the pretty specific guidelines wanted for submissions.


On 7/17/2021 6:20 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 06:49 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
could someone please put the object enhancer customizer addon, onto the NVDA community addons page
-
That is almost entirely at the discretion of the add-on developer, who must submit the add-on for vetting before it lands there.  And many do not want to do this for a variety of reasons.

I have been pushing/arguing/begging for years that the NVDA Community Add-Ons Page have some option to present Vetted Add-Ons along with a separate section, or page, for unvetted "home grown" add-ons created by various community members.  The fact of the matter is that:

1.  Many developers do not want to undergo the vetting process.
2.  Though vetting is, without doubt, valuable since experienced developers can examine code for fitness, security, etc., and make recommendations to the developer for "tying up any loose ends" in their code, it's not essential.  Both the user community and developer benefit from this process, but it's not essential.
3.  There are quite a few add-ons that have been in common circulation for years that are home grown and unvetted.  They work for those who need the functionality they offer.
4. Users of NVDA are, or should be, perfectly capable of understanding that listing of an add-on on a separate unvetted/at your own risk page means just that.  NVAccess is not responsible for anything that happens when one chooses to use those add-ons.  But it's still a service to the community to have a central distribution point for NVDA add-ons that developers want to place there, but who do not wish to undergo the rigors of the vetting process.

One of the many beauties of NVDA is the abundance of add-ons that have been home grown to address some specific user's need that could then be shared if the person who created it is so inclined.  But right now there is no place to do that, and making that an extension of the existing "add-ons marketplace" is what makes sense.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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