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Re: Problem with having Admin Rights under UAC when using NVDA Remote

George McCoy
 

I read, in the first iteration documentation that UaC works if both computers have NVDA set to speak at the logon screen. I have several clients whose systems are set up that way and I have no issues with UAC.


George


Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 09:20 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
I want to create a portable version on which I can install add-ons which aren't yet supported.
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You're welcome.  I suspected that this was your intent, as it's an excellent workaround until all of the add-ons that will finally be updated get there.  It also allows for the use of any orphaned add-ons on those occasions where one might prove helpful
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Re: Adding more add-ons to the core

 
Edited

Hi,

I think it comes down more to the question of adding parts of add-ons rather than the entire add-on. Because add-ons derive their power from NVDA Core, it comes down to looking for changes between NvDA and add-ons themselves.

This task isn't easy for at least three reasons:

  1. As mentioned numerous times, the ability for an add-on to get itself running on recent NVDA releases depends on the attitude of add-on authors themselves. If authors are willing to keep up based on documentation from NvDA (namely what's new document and code samples coming from others in the development community), then add-ons will be updated.
  2. Different authors use different ways to express code. Although Zen of Python advises folks to strive for one solution, there are different ways to do things. For example, people can go through a list of records using either a for loop or a while loop, or if one gets into advanced mode, perhaps using container comprehensions (comprehensions come from functional programming; way advanced for the scope of this list, I'm afraid). There is a common coding standard NVDA contributors are expected to follow (such as using tabs to denote indentations), but not all add-on authors use this style (if they did, it will make life a lot easier, but folks have different ways to express themselves, and I think that should be respected).
  3. Add-ons patch things here and there. In some cases, add-ons would come with their own implementation of a core NVDA feature or two (the best known example is Remote Support add-on). If an add-on patches an NVDA feature or two that other add-ons rely on, it creates a situation where other add-ons you've got may not work properly. Although folks may think patching NVDA Core may help in getting add-on code to resemble NVDA code, it does not - rather, it makes it difficult to separate the differences between what is core versus add-on. For this reason, whenever I need to override some NvDA functionality, I always include a comment that helps me remember that I need to look for ways to not disturb other add-ons (Windows App Essentials is a good example of an add-on with such comments) and do my best to call NVDA feature itself in the end.

Here is a list of parts of add-ons that ended up in NVDA itself as far as I know (spoiler: this list includes current NVDA alpha builds):

  • Screen Curtain: originally devleoped by Leonard de Ruijter (formerly of Babbage), I packaged it into an add-on, knowing that NV Access, too was thinking about incorporating this feature into NVDA in the end. After months of public testing, it did become part of NVDA 2019.3.
  • Enhanced Aria: originally developed by Jose Manuel Delicado, the ARIA article landmark constatn became part of NVDA 2019.3.
  • Focus Highlight: originally developed by Takuya Nishimoto, most of its features (now known as Visual Highlight) became part of NVDA 2019.3.
  • Enhanced Touch Gestures: the following parts of my add-on became part of NVDA in recent releases: toggling touch support, mouse right click touch gesture (one finger tap and hold), and touch typing mode where you can toggle between lifting your finger or a double-tap to enter text via touch keyboard.
  • OCR: a different implementation is used on Windows 10 and 11 that has nothing to do with the recognition engine that originally shipped with the original add-on (OCR add-ons was originally developed by NV Access).
  • NV Speech Player: although not part of NvDA directly, the Edward voice is part of eSpeak NG that ships with NVDA 2021.1 (if I remember correctly).
  • Resource Monitor: I noted a few days ago that parts of at least two add-ons will be part of future NVDA releases, and one of them is Resource Monitor. Specifically, Windows release information internals is now part of NVDA (as of alpha builds), and for those reading NVDA source code, NVDA now has the ability to detect which Windows 10 or 11 release you are using via Windows Registry (this part came from Resource Monitor).
  • Windows oneCore voices: formerly known as Microsoft Mobile voices, this synthesizer was originally an add-on (developed by Tyler Spivey) before making its way to NVDA.
  • Windows App Essentials: over the years, many parts of this add-on (from me) were included in NVDA. These include modern keyboard facility (emoji panel/clipboard history/dictation/voice typing/hardware keyboard suggestions), announcing search suggestions if present, UIA notification event support, and countless small things here and there. In fact, parts of the add-on made their way to recent NVDA alpha snapshots, including Windows 11 detection and support.
  • Add-on Updater? Maybe... (behind the veil at this time)

As for the procedure I use in add-on development: I keep a close eye on changes in alpha and beta releases, and to some extent, NVDA pull requests that are being worked on by NV Access and contributors (including my own). As a result, at least for Windows App Essentials, it contains code that responds to latest NvDA alpha snapshots, including the next big thing for add-on authors to consider: control types refactor (I won't go into this change, but suffice to say that control types refactor (involving a syntax change) will affect many add-ons, and I have advised add-on authors to prepare their add-ons).

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph


Adding more add-ons to the core

Gene
 

Off and on it is stated that an add-on will be added to the core.  I don’t recall this being discussed before, but since this is the second time in perhaps two years or less that a lot or most add-ons have been made incompatible, it raises the question if more should be added. 
 
How often is this likely to happen and at what point are add-ons going to be more likely to be lost through attrition if developers don’t want to keep updating them?  Perhaps more serious attention should be given to adding more of them to the core. 
 
I know the argument about keeping NVDA small but add-ons don’t take much room and adding many of them to the core wouldn’t make the program bigger to any extent that matters. 
 
Gene


Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

thanks Brian!
I want to create a portable version on which I can ins tall add-ons which aren't yet supported.

Curtis Delzer
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Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com

On 7/18/2021 2:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Prior versions of NVDA are available for download for quite a while after a given version goes out of support.
NVDA 2020.4 is downloadable using this link: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2020.4/nvda_2020.4.exe <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2020.4/nvda_2020.4.exe>
You can substitute the respective release number in the URL above in the two positions where it occurs and you'll be able to snag another older version instead.
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Detecting if conditional formatting has been applied in Excel

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

With NVDA, is there a way to detect that conditional formatting has been
applied to a cell and or column?

I need to do this because I am applying a series of rules to a column so
need to check that the rules have been applied.

When I navigate to a cell in that column and hit nvda key + f, I do not get
this information.
Pranav


Re: Obtaining Prior Versions of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


https://www.dropbox.com/s/h01hbreajej3zdl/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon?dl=1


Best regards,

Customer support
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 23:25 de 18/07/2021, Curtis Delzer escreveu:

yes. thanks!

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com

On 7/18/2021 3:21 PM, Ru Fontes wrote:
Sorry!

Do you mean to NVDA 2020.4?


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 22:12 de 18/07/2021, Curtis Delzer escreveu:
I wish to download the version to just b4 the newest NVDA. Where do I do that?





Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

 

NVDA 2020.4 is downloadable using this link:  https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2020.4/nvda_2020.4.exe
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Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 06:23 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q75mnyttr34zjpm/EnhancedPhoneticReading_0.5a2_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1
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Rui, thanks much for the updated link and for doing the mod.  Let's hope the original gets an "official update" from its developer.
 
@britechguy
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That's what life is about.  And in that order.

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Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

yes. thanks!

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com

On 7/18/2021 3:21 PM, Ru Fontes wrote:
Sorry!
Do you mean to NVDA 2020.4?
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 22:12 de 18/07/2021, Curtis Delzer escreveu:
I wish to download the version to just b4 the newest NVDA. Where do I do that?


Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

Rui Fontes
 

Possibly the link is no more valid...


Here is a new link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q75mnyttr34zjpm/EnhancedPhoneticReading_0.5a2_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


Rui Fontes


Às 22:52 de 18/07/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

As it happens, Rui Fontes posted a link to his own mod of this add-on to make it 2021.1 compatible during the alpha/beta period of 2021.1.  You should still contact the actual developer of the original add-on.

The message in which Rui gave the dropbox link to his mod is:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/84674 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

        ~ Liza Minnelli

 


Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry!

Do you mean to NVDA 2020.4?


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 22:12 de 18/07/2021, Curtis Delzer escreveu:

I wish to download the version to just b4 the newest NVDA. Where do I do that?


Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

 

See also this message in the archive:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/16890 

NVDA has been able to do this natively, but not particularly easily if you're dealing with a lot of characters in succession.  But if it's a very occasional need, you may not even require the add-on.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

        ~ Liza Minnelli

 


Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

 

As it happens, Rui Fontes posted a link to his own mod of this add-on to make it 2021.1 compatible during the alpha/beta period of 2021.1.  You should still contact the actual developer of the original add-on.

The message in which Rui gave the dropbox link to his mod is:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/84674 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

        ~ Liza Minnelli

 


Re: Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

 

You are thinking of one of David CM's add-ons, EnhancedPhoneticReading.

His main GitHub page is:  https://github.com/davidacm and all of his add-ons can be found there.  His email address is:  dhf360@...

The last version of this was released in 2019, so it's not at all likely to be compatible with NVDA 2021.1, though it might be very, very easy for the developer to make it so.

I would contact him about this.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

        ~ Liza Minnelli

 


Re: Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 05:30 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
This is a mystery!  LOL! 
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If you are able, record that voice when it typically occurs, and upload the resultant recording to a file sharing service so that those who wish to can actually listen to it.

There are lots of people who can recognize voice and synth that produces it with great ease, but you have to hear it first.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

        ~ Liza Minnelli

 


Re: Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

 

Prior versions of NVDA are available for download for quite a while after a given version goes out of support.

NVDA 2020.4 is downloadable using this link:  https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2020.4/nvda_2020.4.exe

You can substitute the respective release number in the URL above in the two positions where it occurs and you'll be able to snag another older version instead.

 

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

        ~ Liza Minnelli

 


Re: Voices With NVDA Question Please.

Pamela Dominguez
 

You say this voice is clear.  Well, it is saying a certain phrase or phrases when the program first comes on.  The question is, will it be as clear when it has to read other things that are not already programmed into it?  Pam.
 

From: janet
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.
 

Gene,

Thank you as well, I’m going to try my best to find out just what is this voice.  The voice I am talking about is very natural as well as clear.  I don’t believe I ever heard a screen reader to sound this natural and clear in the little over 30 years I’ve been using a screen reader.  This is a mystery!  LOL!  The voice I am talking about what ever it is called, also tells me the day, and the time, as well as it says hello at the welcome screen. 

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

I don’t have Windows 10 and I can’t discuss how to use Narrator in that version of Windows.  But there must be a way to find out what voice Narrator is using.  Whether this can be done in Narrator settings itself or in some other way or more than one way, I don’t know.  In the old days, Narrator used the Windows’ default voice.  I don’t know what it uses now. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: janet

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 7:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

Gene,

That’s a good question, I wish I knew.  The voice that comes on my machine is not even close to David or Mark though.  Do you know how I can raise the speech rate on Narrator?  I would like to see just how much more Narrator will sound if I raise the speech rate.  I’m very sure the voice I am talking about and the Narrator voice are very similar. 

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

The next question appears to be how  do you find out which voice Narrator is using.

 

Gene

p-----Original Message-----

From: janet

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

Hi,

No it is not even close to Mark or David.  Although, it does sound very very similar to Narrator.   If that makes any sense, I’m not sure. 

Janet

Janet ,

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

Could it be Microsoft Mark?

 

 

On 7/15/2021 4:28 PM, janet wrote:

Brian,

Ok, I finally got my Laptop turned on, and I tried the voices especially David, and the voice I am talking about and the voice of David, are as different as day and night.  I turned JAWS, NVDA off, and I turned on Narrator, and the voice I am talking about and Narrator sound very very similar.  Could this be possible?

 

Janet  

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voices With NVDA Question Please.

 

I just installed NVDA 2021.1 and I'll bet my bottom dollar that the voice now used by the installer is Microsoft David, which is a Microsoft OneCore Voice.

I use David as my voice with NVDA, but at a slightly faster rate, and if it's not Microsoft David it's so close that using MS David would probably suit anyone who likes that installer voice.
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Compatibility of EnhancedPhoneticReading AddOn?

Gerardo Corripio
 

2 questions
1.-what’s the name of the addOn that when you put yourself on the letter with the arrows, after waiting a few seconds, it’ll tel you for example P Papa b bravo etc?
And 2.-Is this AddOn compatible yet with NVDA21.1? And if so I can’t seem to find it on the official AddOns page updated.

Gera
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Obtaining Prior/Older Versions of NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

I wish to download the version to just b4 the newest NVDA. Where do I do that?

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