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In-Process 19th August

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring news on NVDA 2021.2, LibLouis and eSpeak-NG, and a feature on creating application specific profiles, so you can have NVDA behave differently in Word compared to Chrome or Notepad++! Read all the info here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-19th-august-2021/

PS: I've been out and about for a couple of weeks, I haven't yet caught up on all my emails or the group here, so please be patient if you've written to me recently and I haven't responded!

Kind regards

Quentin.

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A new tutorial which explores and demonstrates the Input Gestures Dialog in NVDA is out

TheeQuinn Public
 

Good day everyone. I have just posted a new video. This video explains what the input gestures dialog in NVDA has to offer , and also how to use it. This includes how to create the different types of gestures, and how to remove them if you wish to. Enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2rrKd-y9_8&t=24s


Re: Here is A Tutorial on Configuration Profiles in NVDA

TheeQuinn Public
 

Hello there. That would be great actually. Yu can email me at theequinnpublic@... and we can talk about it more.


Re: accessible uninstaller that works with NVDA

Hope Williamson
 

Yes everyone hates you. Just kidding, I can solve a hundred audio CAPTCHAs in my sleep.

On 8/17/2021 9:48 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:53 AM, Jackie wrote:
The problem w/this particular program, all, is that the uninstaller
has a frickin captcha. Aint that special!
-
Jackie,

Think about what Webroot actually is and it's no surprise that a Captcha is used by the uninstaller.  It's just another way to prevent "bot uninstallation" without human intervention.  It's a security measure to keep a security program from being nefariously uninstalled by automated means.

Also, so you can hate me, I am so over complaints about modern Captchas, almost all of which do offer an accessible alternative to their solution.  They were horrible accessibility roadblocks, and for those rare sites or products still using "Early Generation" captchas, they still are.  But I have solved captchas, eyes closed, with audio challenges on more than one occasion, and that's the most common alternative.

Captchas of most modern sorts should be accessible.  They will pose challenges for those who are deaf-blind or who have significant hearing impairment if it cannot be addressed via hearing aids, but there are limits to anything that is intended to force human intervention of some sort.
 
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Re: Q-Installer?

tim
 

no, and that is not part of windows. Done to many installs not to notice that in task tray or even program list.

That most of come from manufacture or who ever setup that computer.



On 8/17/2021 9:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

Has anybody run across a utility that lives in the System Tray called Q-Installer?

It appears to be an update manager for my motherboard, but it doesn’t seem too accessible with NVDA. Do any of you have tips or tricks for using it?

 

Thanks

 

Chris

 


Re: Q-Installer?

Jackie
 

Well, this will be my last post on the topic because it's not on
topic, but, having been a victim of Asus's compromised servers (see
https://thehackernews.com/2019/03/asus-computer-hacking.html among
others), I can tell you it makes a cat on a hot tin roof appear sedate
compared to the way I feel about it all.

On 8/17/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
I have not had any of this but I could see where it would be a good idea
and also why not.

I have an old asus h series board.

It does come with a lot of extra software, but I only load the drivers.

However I have noticed this with some of my mice, logitech, microsoft,
etc and cameras and other hardware like my printers and the like.

You can turn some of this off but I have never had a bad experience with
it and in fact like that my hardware is loading its own drivers rather
than letting windows use generic drivers.

I do think there should be more control of this stuff though as malware
users could write straight to the bios though a lot of this stuff can be
secured against.

Its another thing to check when setting up for the first time though.

I have recently setup an old hp server for one of my uncles which was
set to start and shut down at certain times as well as load a load of
extras as it was set for a business.

When it was sold x lease no one thought to clear the bios and eufi so I
needed a friend who I had about to fix that but its ok now.

So obviously I will have to be carefull and get people to go through
eufi every time I set things up.

I don't want extra junk being installed, I want control of what is loaded.

Now if there is a way to control within the os what is loaded, and how
its kept updated maybe I'd be happy with that.


On 18/08/2021 3:05 pm, Jackie wrote:
The whole purpose of the utility is so folks can't access it. It's
basically a motherboard rootkit.

On 8/17/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris S, check out:
https://www.techpowerup.com/248827/asus-z390-motherboards-automatically-push-software-into-your-windows-installation?cp=3

On 8/17/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:
Thanks, that was a helpful response. LOL







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bobby
Sent: August 17, 2021 9:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Q-Installer?



never hurd of it

On 8/17/2021 9:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

Has anybody run across a utility that lives in the System Tray called
Q-Installer?

It appears to be an update manager for my motherboard, but it doesn’t
seem
too accessible with NVDA. Do any of you have tips or tricks for using
it?



Thanks



Chris










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Re: Q-Installer?

 

I have not had any of this but I could see where it would be a good idea and also why not.

I have an old asus h series board.

It does come with a lot of extra software, but I only load the drivers.

However I have noticed this with some of my mice, logitech, microsoft, etc and cameras and other hardware like my printers and the like.

You can turn some of this off but I have never had a bad experience with it and in fact like that my hardware is loading its own drivers rather than letting windows use generic drivers.

I do think there should be more control of this stuff though as malware users could write straight to the bios though a lot of this stuff can be secured against.

Its another thing to check when setting up for the first time though.

I have recently setup an old hp server for one of my uncles which was set to start and shut down at certain times as well as load a load of extras as it was set for a business.

When it was sold x lease no one thought to clear the bios and eufi so I needed a friend who I had about to fix that but its ok now.

So obviously I will have to be carefull and get people to go through eufi every time I set things up.

I don't want extra junk being installed, I want control of what is loaded.

Now if there is a way to control within the os what is loaded, and how its kept updated maybe I'd be happy with that.

On 18/08/2021 3:05 pm, Jackie wrote:
The whole purpose of the utility is so folks can't access it. It's
basically a motherboard rootkit.

On 8/17/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris S, check out:
https://www.techpowerup.com/248827/asus-z390-motherboards-automatically-push-software-into-your-windows-installation?cp=3

On 8/17/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:
Thanks, that was a helpful response. LOL







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bobby
Sent: August 17, 2021 9:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Q-Installer?



never hurd of it

On 8/17/2021 9:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

Has anybody run across a utility that lives in the System Tray called
Q-Installer?

It appears to be an update manager for my motherboard, but it doesn’t
seem
too accessible with NVDA. Do any of you have tips or tricks for using it?



Thanks



Chris










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Re: Q-Installer?

Jackie
 

The whole purpose of the utility is so folks can't access it. It's
basically a motherboard rootkit.

On 8/17/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris S, check out:
https://www.techpowerup.com/248827/asus-z390-motherboards-automatically-push-software-into-your-windows-installation?cp=3

On 8/17/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:
Thanks, that was a helpful response. LOL







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bobby
Sent: August 17, 2021 9:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Q-Installer?



never hurd of it

On 8/17/2021 9:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

Has anybody run across a utility that lives in the System Tray called
Q-Installer?

It appears to be an update manager for my motherboard, but it doesn’t
seem
too accessible with NVDA. Do any of you have tips or tricks for using it?



Thanks



Chris











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Re: Q-Installer?

Jackie
 

On 8/17/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:
Thanks, that was a helpful response. LOL







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bobby
Sent: August 17, 2021 9:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Q-Installer?



never hurd of it

On 8/17/2021 9:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

Has anybody run across a utility that lives in the System Tray called
Q-Installer?

It appears to be an update manager for my motherboard, but it doesn’t seem
too accessible with NVDA. Do any of you have tips or tricks for using it?



Thanks



Chris










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Re: Q-Installer?

William James
 

I would try using Narrator to gain access to this utility.  Sometimes, NVDA appears to have frozen.  No object navigation, nothing else works.


Pro Max

On Aug 17, 2021, at 9:38 PM, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:



Thanks, that was a helpful response. LOL

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bobby
Sent: August 17, 2021 9:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Q-Installer?

 

never hurd of it

On 8/17/2021 9:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

Has anybody run across a utility that lives in the System Tray called Q-Installer?

It appears to be an update manager for my motherboard, but it doesn’t seem too accessible with NVDA. Do any of you have tips or tricks for using it?

 

Thanks

 

Chris

 


Re: Q-Installer?

Chris Smart
 

Thanks, that was a helpful response. LOL

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bobby
Sent: August 17, 2021 9:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Q-Installer?

 

never hurd of it

On 8/17/2021 9:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

Has anybody run across a utility that lives in the System Tray called Q-Installer?

It appears to be an update manager for my motherboard, but it doesn’t seem too accessible with NVDA. Do any of you have tips or tricks for using it?

 

Thanks

 

Chris

 


Re: Q-Installer?

Bobby <vinton.bobby@...>
 

never hurd of it

On 8/17/2021 9:11 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

Has anybody run across a utility that lives in the System Tray called Q-Installer?

It appears to be an update manager for my motherboard, but it doesn’t seem too accessible with NVDA. Do any of you have tips or tricks for using it?

 

Thanks

 

Chris

 


Q-Installer?

Chris Smart
 

Has anybody run across a utility that lives in the System Tray called Q-Installer?

It appears to be an update manager for my motherboard, but it doesn’t seem too accessible with NVDA. Do any of you have tips or tricks for using it?

 

Thanks

 

Chris

 


Re: accessible uninstaller that works with NVDA

Jackie
 

1 of these days if I ever get a bit of spare change, I'm gonna get a
test computer, just for malware analysis as well as for testing the
functionality or lack thereof for programs like this 1. Why is it that
spare change seems so hard to come by? It really is true that money
talks, but all mine ever seems to say is "goodbye!"

On 8/17/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 01:43 PM, Jackie wrote:


This 1, however, just sounds like
trouble to me in all caps. :).
-
And it sounds, to me, like non-critical documentation that simply remains
un-updated.  They'd be better off not describing a Captcha at all, these
days, as they keep evolving.  Not to mention that I doubt there's a computer
user in existence who's not brand, spankin' new to computing who hasn't
encountered Captchas more times than they can count.

I actually haven't encountered a "pure" distorted text Captcha in a very
long time now.  Those were, undoubtedly, completely inaccessible.  And most
of the "pick the pictures that include . . ." ones I'm running into these
days have other alternatives, though typically a link needs to be activated
to get to them (sometimes it).
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Re: accessible uninstaller that works with NVDA

 

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 01:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
This 1, however, just sounds like
trouble to me in all caps. :).
-
And it sounds, to me, like non-critical documentation that simply remains un-updated.  They'd be better off not describing a Captcha at all, these days, as they keep evolving.  Not to mention that I doubt there's a computer user in existence who's not brand, spankin' new to computing who hasn't encountered Captchas more times than they can count.

I actually haven't encountered a "pure" distorted text Captcha in a very long time now.  Those were, undoubtedly, completely inaccessible.  And most of the "pick the pictures that include . . ." ones I'm running into these days have other alternatives, though typically a link needs to be activated to get to them (sometimes it).
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: MathPlayer broke NVDA and Firefox.

John Isige
 

No, I fixed it already, sorry.


On 8/16/2021 7:57 PM, Rowen Cary wrote:

HI,

NVDA2021.2beta1 version seems to have improved the registration tool, can you give it a try?

Cheers


Re: accessible uninstaller that works with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

If you need an accessible uninstaller go to google and look for "BCU" It can even do quiet uninstallers which is nice.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Kuzma via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible uninstaller that works with NVDA

Good morning,
The attatchment got stripped out somehow.
Sounds like the group list did it.
If you send me your email to me:
rmkuzma@aol.com
I can try and send it to you directly.
Just let me know.
Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of betina vega
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 1:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessible uninstaller that works with NVDA

Hello:

Thank you for allowing me to join this group.
My name is Betina, and I am a piano teacher living in the United States.
i have a question regarding program uninstallers.
Would any of you have a recommendation for an accessible program uninstaller?
Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
Betina vega


Re: accessible uninstaller that works with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually I have encountered some sites especially on some routers that have no audio captcha.one of the sites I encountered is tiny.cc, I think I got that right. You cannot create an account as there is no audio captcha or other way to solve the thing. I’ve  written to these folks many times but I guess they don’t want my money.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible uninstaller that works with NVDA

 

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:53 AM, Jackie wrote:

The problem w/this particular program, all, is that the uninstaller
has a frickin captcha. Aint that special!

-
Jackie,

Think about what Webroot actually is and it's no surprise that a Captcha is used by the uninstaller.  It's just another way to prevent "bot uninstallation" without human intervention.  It's a security measure to keep a security program from being nefariously uninstalled by automated means.

Also, so you can hate me, I am so over complaints about modern Captchas, almost all of which do offer an accessible alternative to their solution.  They were horrible accessibility roadblocks, and for those rare sites or products still using "Early Generation" captchas, they still are.  But I have solved captchas, eyes closed, with audio challenges on more than one occasion, and that's the most common alternative.

Captchas of most modern sorts should be accessible.  They will pose challenges for those who are deaf-blind or who have significant hearing impairment if it cannot be addressed via hearing aids, but there are limits to anything that is intended to force human intervention of some sort.
 
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Re: accessible uninstaller that works with NVDA

Jackie
 

Well, perhaps you're correct. However, my experience w/these uninstall
captchas has never been good, and this quote is from their website
which makes me believe that trend persists.
" Require the completion of a CAPTCHA when changing critical features
Opens a CAPTCHA dialog that requires you to read distorted text on the
screen and enter the text in a field before performing any critical
actions. These actions include changing shields, importing
configuration settings, uninstalling the program, and shutting down
the agent."
Taken from https://answers.webroot.com/Webroot/ukp.aspx?pid=17&ruleid=993#null

BTW, I do use captcha protection on websites I own or have developed,
so I don't think I really fall into the camp of being 1 of those who
blindly (ahem) hate captchas per se. This 1, however, just sounds like
trouble to me in all caps. :).

On 8/17/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:53 AM, Jackie wrote:


The problem w/this particular program, all, is that the uninstaller
has a frickin captcha. Aint that special!
-
Jackie,

Think about what Webroot actually is and it's no surprise that a Captcha is
used by the uninstaller.  It's just another way to prevent "bot
uninstallation" without human intervention.  It's a security measure to keep
a security program from being nefariously uninstalled by automated means.

Also, so you can hate me, I am so over complaints about modern Captchas,
almost all of which do offer an accessible alternative to their solution.
They were horrible accessibility roadblocks, and for those rare sites or
products still using "Early Generation" captchas, they still are.  But I
have solved captchas, eyes closed, with audio challenges on more than one
occasion, and that's the most common alternative.

Captchas of most modern sorts should be accessible.  They will pose
challenges for those who are deaf-blind or who have significant hearing
impairment if it cannot be addressed via hearing aids, but there are limits
to anything that is intended to force human intervention of some sort.

--

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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity.

~Martin Luther King, Jr.





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Re: accessible uninstaller that works with NVDA

 

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:53 AM, Jackie wrote:
The problem w/this particular program, all, is that the uninstaller
has a frickin captcha. Aint that special!
-
Jackie,

Think about what Webroot actually is and it's no surprise that a Captcha is used by the uninstaller.  It's just another way to prevent "bot uninstallation" without human intervention.  It's a security measure to keep a security program from being nefariously uninstalled by automated means.

Also, so you can hate me, I am so over complaints about modern Captchas, almost all of which do offer an accessible alternative to their solution.  They were horrible accessibility roadblocks, and for those rare sites or products still using "Early Generation" captchas, they still are.  But I have solved captchas, eyes closed, with audio challenges on more than one occasion, and that's the most common alternative.

Captchas of most modern sorts should be accessible.  They will pose challenges for those who are deaf-blind or who have significant hearing impairment if it cannot be addressed via hearing aids, but there are limits to anything that is intended to force human intervention of some sort.
 
--

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