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Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Jacob Kruger
 

hristo, it's version 45, and, my specific issue was that couldn't navigate to column headers using screen review, and using golden cursor didn't work in terms of drag and drop, but, according to MK's instructions, used object navigation, and NVDA + numpad 4 moved me to list, then NVDA + numpad 2 pressed once, told me had focus on thread column header, and then NVDA key + numpad 6, until it mentioned the select columns button, NVDA + numpad enter to activate it, and then, sticking to object navigation, drag and drop seemed to work in that list itself - bit nervous to try repeate it right now, since wouldn't want to mess up something had been hoping for for a while, but, it worked...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 10:11 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:

Jacob

It sounds like you are using version 24 of the Bird. In later versions screen review mode does not take you to the column headers. You can get to them with NVDA+numpad 4, but the drag feature doesn't move the columns.

Regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 9:04 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

MK,


Thank you very much for this message - while I had no issue telling thunderbird which columns to display before - had just switched to screen review mode from first message in list,  used arrow keys to move  up until had found the column headers, routed mouse cursor to review cursor and invoked context menu using right mouse button press.


But, my issue has always been with reordering the column display order.


When I now worked through your instructions, just for testing, I thought of something else, and when had activated the button to tell it which columns to display, I found the from column in that form of context menu, routed mouse cursor to review/navigation cursor, using NVDA + numpad /, invoked mouse button lock using shift+numpad / and then just arrowed up to the subject column, routed mouse cursor to it again, and hit shift + numpad / to unlock mouse button, and voila! <smile>


As in now, finally, thunderbird is reading out from, and then subject line, and then status to me, followed by date/time - this has been roundabout my last, leftover gripe with thunderbird for quite a while...LOL!


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 1:55 AM, mk360 wrote:
Go to the first message in the messages list, press NVDA numpad 4 to move the object navigator to previews object until you ear "list", press NVDA numpad 2 to move the object navigator to the first object, NVDA will say something like "conversation" header, press NVDA numpad 6 to move the object navigator to the next object until you see a button to select columns and press NVDA numpad enter to activate the object. There you can select what columns you like to see in the list (I needed to verify these with the mouse pressing NVDA numpad / to move the mouse to the column that I need to check and press left mouse buton).

Good luck, and I hope that other with a better english can give you better instructions.
mk.

El 19/09/2016 a las 20:37, Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Brian,


How do I do this?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    








Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Christo de Klerk
 

Jacob

It sounds like you are using version 24 of the Bird. In later versions screen review mode does not take you to the column headers. You can get to them with NVDA+numpad 4, but the drag feature doesn't move the columns.

Regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 9:04 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

MK,


Thank you very much for this message - while I had no issue telling thunderbird which columns to display before - had just switched to screen review mode from first message in list,  used arrow keys to move  up until had found the column headers, routed mouse cursor to review cursor and invoked context menu using right mouse button press.


But, my issue has always been with reordering the column display order.


When I now worked through your instructions, just for testing, I thought of something else, and when had activated the button to tell it which columns to display, I found the from column in that form of context menu, routed mouse cursor to review/navigation cursor, using NVDA + numpad /, invoked mouse button lock using shift+numpad / and then just arrowed up to the subject column, routed mouse cursor to it again, and hit shift + numpad / to unlock mouse button, and voila! <smile>


As in now, finally, thunderbird is reading out from, and then subject line, and then status to me, followed by date/time - this has been roundabout my last, leftover gripe with thunderbird for quite a while...LOL!


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 1:55 AM, mk360 wrote:
Go to the first message in the messages list, press NVDA numpad 4 to move the object navigator to previews object until you ear "list", press NVDA numpad 2 to move the object navigator to the first object, NVDA will say something like "conversation" header, press NVDA numpad 6 to move the object navigator to the next object until you see a button to select columns and press NVDA numpad enter to activate the object. There you can select what columns you like to see in the list (I needed to verify these with the mouse pressing NVDA numpad / to move the mouse to the column that I need to check and press left mouse buton).

Good luck, and I hope that other with a better english can give you better instructions.
mk.

El 19/09/2016 a las 20:37, Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Brian,


How do I do this?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    







Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Jacob Kruger
 

Christo, I couldn't get screen review to move out of message list, to column headers, and couldn't get it to work with golden crsor add-on either, but, you might see in my other reply that I did just manage to sort it out this morning by using MK's instructions to navigate to the button to invoke the list of columns, and then used drag-and-drop there by routing mouse cursor to object navigation cursor, and doing the drag and drop in that list itself.


sTay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 10:01 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:

Hello all

With versions of ThunderBird 24 and older I managed to rearrange the sequence of columns in NVDA by drag and drop. I would move the mouse pointer to the column I wanted to move with object navigation keys. Specifically I wanted to move the Status column right to the front. When the mouse pointer was on the Status column, I pressed Shift+numpad slash to lock the left mouse button. I then moved the mouse pointer to the first column header which was, if memory serves, Starred, and I pressed shift+numpad slash again to release the left mouse button and the Status column was moved to the first column position.

Somehow with newer versions of Thunderbird this doesn't seem to work anymore. I still manage to go through that whole process, but the columns just don't move. So, if anyone on the list has figured out how to resequence columns, please let the rest of us know.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 2:36 AM, Gene wrote:
You have to be able to drag and drop.  I don't know how that is done in NVDA.  I believe the fields can be rearranged but they can not be rearranged from the keyboard. 
 
Gene

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Hi, Brian,


I did try everything I could think of using the keeyboard but I'm not having any luck with it. I even tried routing the NVDA mouse pointer with insert minus and that didn't work either.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:53 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rosemarie,

           Once I finish dinner I'll take a stab at figuring out how to do the column activation and rearrangement via keyboard.  I did it all with point & click.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    






Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello all

With versions of ThunderBird 24 and older I managed to rearrange the sequence of columns in NVDA by drag and drop. I would move the mouse pointer to the column I wanted to move with object navigation keys. Specifically I wanted to move the Status column right to the front. When the mouse pointer was on the Status column, I pressed Shift+numpad slash to lock the left mouse button. I then moved the mouse pointer to the first column header which was, if memory serves, Starred, and I pressed shift+numpad slash again to release the left mouse button and the Status column was moved to the first column position.

Somehow with newer versions of Thunderbird this doesn't seem to work anymore. I still manage to go through that whole process, but the columns just don't move. So, if anyone on the list has figured out how to resequence columns, please let the rest of us know.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 2:36 AM, Gene wrote:
You have to be able to drag and drop.  I don't know how that is done in NVDA.  I believe the fields can be rearranged but they can not be rearranged from the keyboard. 
 
Gene

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Hi, Brian,


I did try everything I could think of using the keeyboard but I'm not having any luck with it. I even tried routing the NVDA mouse pointer with insert minus and that didn't work either.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:53 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rosemarie,

           Once I finish dinner I'll take a stab at figuring out how to do the column activation and rearrangement via keyboard.  I did it all with point & click.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    





Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Jacob Kruger
 

Sorry, correction - had  forgotten that screen review cursor seemed unable to leave list of mails - would just say top/bottom if tried to move up or down after had switched to it in message list, so had, before used the golden cursor add-on to move the actual mouse cursor up to column headers, when drag and drop had then not worked for me.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 9:04 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

MK,


Thank you very much for this message - while I had no issue telling thunderbird which columns to display before - had just switched to screen review mode from first message in list,  used arrow keys to move  up until had found the column headers, routed mouse cursor to review cursor and invoked context menu using right mouse button press.


But, my issue has always been with reordering the column display order.


When I now worked through your instructions, just for testing, I thought of something else, and when had activated the button to tell it which columns to display, I found the from column in that form of context menu, routed mouse cursor to review/navigation cursor, using NVDA + numpad /, invoked mouse button lock using shift+numpad / and then just arrowed up to the subject column, routed mouse cursor to it again, and hit shift + numpad / to unlock mouse button, and voila! <smile>


As in now, finally, thunderbird is reading out from, and then subject line, and then status to me, followed by date/time - this has been roundabout my last, leftover gripe with thunderbird for quite a while...LOL!


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 1:55 AM, mk360 wrote:
Go to the first message in the messages list, press NVDA numpad 4 to move the object navigator to previews object until you ear "list", press NVDA numpad 2 to move the object navigator to the first object, NVDA will say something like "conversation" header, press NVDA numpad 6 to move the object navigator to the next object until you see a button to select columns and press NVDA numpad enter to activate the object. There you can select what columns you like to see in the list (I needed to verify these with the mouse pressing NVDA numpad / to move the mouse to the column that I need to check and press left mouse buton).

Good luck, and I hope that other with a better english can give you better instructions.
mk.

El 19/09/2016 a las 20:37, Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Brian,


How do I do this?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    







Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Jacob Kruger
 

MK,


Thank you very much for this message - while I had no issue telling thunderbird which columns to display before - had just switched to screen review mode from first message in list,  used arrow keys to move  up until had found the column headers, routed mouse cursor to review cursor and invoked context menu using right mouse button press.


But, my issue has always been with reordering the column display order.


When I now worked through your instructions, just for testing, I thought of something else, and when had activated the button to tell it which columns to display, I found the from column in that form of context menu, routed mouse cursor to review/navigation cursor, using NVDA + numpad /, invoked mouse button lock using shift+numpad / and then just arrowed up to the subject column, routed mouse cursor to it again, and hit shift + numpad / to unlock mouse button, and voila! <smile>


As in now, finally, thunderbird is reading out from, and then subject line, and then status to me, followed by date/time - this has been roundabout my last, leftover gripe with thunderbird for quite a while...LOL!


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 1:55 AM, mk360 wrote:

Go to the first message in the messages list, press NVDA numpad 4 to move the object navigator to previews object until you ear "list", press NVDA numpad 2 to move the object navigator to the first object, NVDA will say something like "conversation" header, press NVDA numpad 6 to move the object navigator to the next object until you see a button to select columns and press NVDA numpad enter to activate the object. There you can select what columns you like to see in the list (I needed to verify these with the mouse pressing NVDA numpad / to move the mouse to the column that I need to check and press left mouse buton).

Good luck, and I hope that other with a better english can give you better instructions.
mk.

El 19/09/2016 a las 20:37, Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Brian,


How do I do this?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    






fixed!

Arlene
 

Hi, when I asked earlier about making winamp default. I uninstalled and reinstalled it. I went to my music pretended to play a file. I hit applications key. Arrowed until I heard open. I seen Winamp there. then I arrowed until I heard choose as default player. I arrowed around until I heard winamp. Now it’s fixed!


Re: Win10 file explorer list of keyboard commands

 

how do you modify windows to be menu based?

On 19/09/2016 9:39 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I did modify my windows 10 to use normal menu systems though. It is much
better that way, although there are some things managed differently like
making all folders the same etc, that no longer do this in menus for
view any more.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 file explorer list of keyboard commands


Hi,
Is there a list of keyboard commands for win10 file explorer? If not,
could someone knowledgeable on the list please explain the use of
ribbons on the file explorer. Info found on the web is very visual and
not helpful.
Need a little help here!
Very much appreciated.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paulius
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of
Windows 10 App Essentials

I fully agree with an audio tutoriel. I think tutoriels on text are not
so comfortable to read and understand what's covered their. So, in my
opinion, an audio tutoriel for that would be fine solution!
Sincerely,
Paulius Leveris

2016-09-17 11:41 GMT+03:00, Brian's Mail list account
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>:
I am finding a combined approach to tutorials more useful than a
totally textual or totally audio one.
Some of the complex concepts are best explained with textual
examples, while just basic descriptions are better in text.
I'm not sure how one would marry up such a presentation though.
This universal apps approach seems a new thing to me. I would
suggest that

its another buzz phrase invented by Microsoft to try to get everyone
to work

in the same way, which is no bad thing, but people who write software
often

work how they want to causing some parts of their software to work
for us,

and others not to.
Also things may be universal this year, but companies do tend to
change the goalposts quite often as we know only too well.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 5:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of
Windows 10

App Essentials


Hi everyone,



As Windows 10 is being deployed around the world and universal apps
are becoming more prominent, I thought it would be best to produce an
audio overview of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on and to talk about
what it takes to write app modules for universal apps. So I'd like to
receive feedback on the following outline:



* Title: Dive into the world of Windows 10, UIA and universal
apps

* Description: an audio tutorial providing essential information
on
Windows 10, UI Automation (UIA) and what it takes to make universal
apps accessible and create app modules for them, using Windows 10 App
Essentials add-on as a blueprint.



Topics:

1. Windows 10 overview

2. What are universal apps and a brief overview of Universal
Windows
Platform

3. A crash course on UI Automation

4. Your first app module for a UWP app

5. Scenario 1: wrong labels for controls

6. Scenario 2: locating objects

7. Scenario 3: Events and custom routines

8. Tips and recommendations to make universal apps accessible



The tutorial assumes:

1. Windows 10 versions 1511 and 1607 (I'll briefly cover version
1507).

2. Knowledge of NVDA, especially NVDA 2016 series.

3. Familiarity with object navigation.

4. Experience with creating app modules and/or working with UIA
controls are recommended.



Objectives:

1. Be able to explain the following terms: Windows 10, universal
apps,
Universal Windows Platform, Windows Store, UI Automation, app module,
object navigation.

2. Learn to advocate for accessibility of universal apps.

3. Learn to navigate and use universal apps more effectively.

4. Learn to create app modules for universal apps (if desired).

5. Understand the impact of code changes and advocacy on
accessibility
of a platform.



I'm also willing to host an online-based strategy meeting in October
regarding the above topics.



Thanks. Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph












Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Just had a play so it brings up the reply read etc stuff.


It might be easier if under the review cursor menu that simple review is ticked i think it is called.


Next when say you are in tree view tab once so you are in the message header do not open it.

Next make sure nvda is in object navigation mode. Use the nvda key + the number 1 on the numeric keypad to do this When it is in that mode, next use the nvda key + the number 4 on the numeric keypad to go left. You will have to do this a couple of times until you hear nvda say columns to display button. If you go to far to the left you will hear the ones that are displayed. if this happens use the nvda key + the number 6 on the numeric keypad to go back until you hear nvda say columns to display.

Next use the nvda key + the enter key  to open that menu. it will give you a whole lot of stuff to pick from

Next use the down arrow key to arrow down to status, then presss the enter key. I am not sure if there are other menus off there it did not tell me

When this was done the next times I went into my messages it now tell me if they are read , unread, replied etc


Hopefully the directions are clear enough.


The ones that are checked when you go down that list are the ones that are shown.


Gene nz



On 20/09/2016 11:55 AM, mk360 wrote:
Go to the first message in the messages list, press NVDA numpad 4 to move the object navigator to previews object until you ear "list", press NVDA numpad 2 to move the object navigator to the first object, NVDA will say something like "conversation" header, press NVDA numpad 6 to move the object navigator to the next object until you see a button to select columns and press NVDA numpad enter to activate the object. There you can select what columns you like to see in the list (I needed to verify these with the mouse pressing NVDA numpad / to move the mouse to the column that I need to check and press left mouse buton).

Good luck, and I hope that other with a better english can give you better instructions.
mk.

El 19/09/2016 a las 20:37, Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Brian,


How do I do this?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    





-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: deleting something from my music drive

 

To be honest lately I can go to say a blank folder or say open say word 2013 or 2016 and nvda will not anounce something till I tab round or alt tab out and in then it shows.
I am on a few units with issues its not done that as such on mine but one of the systems is my latest win10 workstation which does work and a 7 one which doesn't work that well.
Whenever I enter a folder it does not speak unless there is something its even doing that on my workstation so yeah I don't know why that does that.

On 20/09/2016 7:30 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I tried to delete something from my external hard drive which has my
music on it but when I hit the delete key, all I got was "progress". I
used to hear "are you sure you want to send this file to the recycle
bin" but now I don't hear it anymore. How do I get that message back?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie





.


Re: Spotify

kelby carlson
 

I use Firefox. When I re-opened the player it seemed to work, but
clicking on most things just brought me back to the top of the page.
Same thing with Internet Explorer. So far the application works
better, though still has some issues.

On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
You may be using a script blocker that is keeping flash from being seen and
running on the site. What browser or browsers are you using? I'm not sure
what accounts for the problem but to discuss it further, we need such
information. Do you use more than one browser and if so, which ones?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: kelby carlson
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify


The web player isn't working; it tells me I need to install flash even
though I have the latest update.

On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't know, these days, if, or to what extent spotify is accessible
using
the computer application you install. It is reasonably accessible using
the
web site. If you are logged in and play something using a browser, that
is
reasonably accessible.

You may not get as good sound that way, but the sound will be reasonably
good.

Gene


From: kelby carlson
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Spotify


Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?




Re: Mystery surrounding computer

 

All toshibas from dos 5.0 to the present time have accessible software, most of their bloat is functional to.
They are stable and were at my school origionally and they are fully blind compatible.
So yeah I sort of like toshiba for what they are.

On 20/09/2016 11:27 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
The new Toshiba laptops have a more or less accessible program to set some
BIOS settings...
You must restart the laptop to changes take effect.

Rui



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Chris Mullins
Data: 19 de setembro de 2016 21:26
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer



I've had a quick look on the net and there are a couple of ways described
for getting into the bios on the UEFI machine but the principle of reverting
to a standard keyboard function then using the fn key to invoke smart mode
remains the same. I too know of no screen reader that can operate at the
bios level and I think it unlikely there could be, so sighted assistance
would be required to make the changes.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: 19 September 2016 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer





Chris,

That's a great set of instructions, but it predates UEFI. For
those who have a machine with UEFI there will be a couple of steps to get to
the BIOS function under UEFI.

I still don't know of any screen reader that operates this early
in the boot sequence, no matter if we're talking a native BIOS machine or a
newer one with UEFI. My HP laptop had the keys set for multimedia mode, but
the machine is UEFI based and that function is called SmartKeys on this
model. Now that I've turned off the SmartKeys (ActionKeys in your posted
example) I'm back to having to hit the Fn key plus the actual function key
to invoke the media function, which is just how I like it.


Re: Spotify

Gene
 

You may be using a script blocker that is keeping flash from being seen and running on the site.  What browser or browsers are you using?  I'm not sure what accounts for the problem but to discuss it further, we need such information.  Do you use more than one browser and if so, which ones? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify

The web player isn't working; it tells me I need to install flash even
though I have the latest update.

On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know, these days, if, or to what extent spotify is accessible using
> the computer application you install.  It is reasonably accessible using the
> web site.  If you are logged in and play something using a browser, that is
> reasonably accessible.
>
> You may not get as good sound that way, but the sound will be reasonably
> good.
>
> Gene
>
>
> From: kelby carlson
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:36 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Spotify
>
>
> Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?
>
>
>



Re: Spotify

kelby carlson
 

The web player isn't working; it tells me I need to install flash even
though I have the latest update.

On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't know, these days, if, or to what extent spotify is accessible using
the computer application you install. It is reasonably accessible using the
web site. If you are logged in and play something using a browser, that is
reasonably accessible.

You may not get as good sound that way, but the sound will be reasonably
good.

Gene


From: kelby carlson
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Spotify


Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?



Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

mk360
 

You can change the order in wich Thunderbird display mail information using object navigation, but I can't explain that in english.

Regards,
mk.

El 19/09/2016 a las 21:32, Gene escribió:
It appears that the question isn't about how to get such notifications.  I think the message is asking how to change the order in which headers are displayed in Thunderbird.  Thunderbird shows the subject first, followed by the from line.  I don't want to see information in that order  I want to know who a message is from first.  I suspect a lot of other people want the from line first.  And that is one of the reasons I don't use Thunderbird.  They have never bothered to make the ability to change fields accessible and they don't show the fields in the standard order.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Rosemarie,

          Are you even getting the "read" or (more likely) "unread" announced.  By default Thunderbird will mark a message as read the moment you land on it in your inbox list and the message pane is on, which it also is by default.   If you don't want that to happen you can do one of two things, the message pane can be toggled off/on using F8 and if the message pane is off a message will not automatically be marked as read (and "unread" is announced, while read is not).  If you wish to leave the message pane on there is a setting under the Tools menu, options, display, advanced that allows you to toggle the "automatically mark as read" on or off and if it's on set it to wait a certain number of seconds before marking as read if the message pane happens to be on.  This lets you run through messages in your inbox when you're not "really reading" them and not having them marked as read.

           Just FYI, the default state of the "Mark as Read" is "on" and with the "immediately" radio button chosen, so there is, essentially no such thing as an unread message if the message pane is on since you will have seen/read the message as soon as you've landed on it in the inbox list.

           I haven't figured out the way to get "responded" (or similar) to be announced.  When you reply there is a visible "replied arrow" that is shown directly to the left of the message subject, but it doesn't have a column associated with it that I can see and NVDA is not announcing its presence by default.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: Spotify

Gene
 

I don't know, these days, if, or to what extent spotify is accessible using the computer application you install.  It is reasonably accessible using the web site.  If you are logged in and play something using a browser, that is reasonably accessible. 
 
You may not get as good sound that way, but the sound will be reasonably good. 
 
Gene

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:36 PM
Subject: [nvda] Spotify

Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?



Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Gene
 

The phrase from the keyboard means doing something using keyboard commands such as working with menus or dialogs or short cut commands.  From the keyboard doesn't mean using object navigation or screen review or mouse movement commands that you use certain keyboard keys and commands for.  In other words, what you are doing is not possible from the keyboard in the standard meaning of that phrase.
 
Gene

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Hi, Brian,


It did involve object navigation.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rosemarie,

          Did this involve object navigation like mk360 described or is there a sequence of keyboard shortcuts?   I kept trying for the straight keyboard shortcut route but could not come up with anything that worked.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Gene
 

I thought you wanted to change the order in which fields are displayed.  This can't be done from the keyboard.  If you want to select which columns are displayed and which are not, I don't know if this can be done from the keyboard.  My recollection from playing with this a number of years ago is that it can't be.  But is that what you are discussing?  Not changing the order but rather which columns are displayed? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Hi, Brian,


Someone else told me how to do it by the keyboard. Thank you for all your help though.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:53 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rosemarie,

           Once I finish dinner I'll take a stab at figuring out how to do the column activation and rearrangement via keyboard.  I did it all with point & click.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Gene
 

You have to be able to drag and drop.  I don't know how that is done in NVDA.  I believe the fields can be rearranged but they can not be rearranged from the keyboard. 
 
Gene

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Hi, Brian,


I did try everything I could think of using the keeyboard but I'm not having any luck with it. I even tried routing the NVDA mouse pointer with insert minus and that didn't work either.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:53 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rosemarie,

           Once I finish dinner I'll take a stab at figuring out how to do the column activation and rearrangement via keyboard.  I did it all with point & click.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Gene
 

It appears that the question isn't about how to get such notifications.  I think the message is asking how to change the order in which headers are displayed in Thunderbird.  Thunderbird shows the subject first, followed by the from line.  I don't want to see information in that order  I want to know who a message is from first.  I suspect a lot of other people want the from line first.  And that is one of the reasons I don't use Thunderbird.  They have never bothered to make the ability to change fields accessible and they don't show the fields in the standard order.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Rosemarie,

          Are you even getting the "read" or (more likely) "unread" announced.  By default Thunderbird will mark a message as read the moment you land on it in your inbox list and the message pane is on, which it also is by default.   If you don't want that to happen you can do one of two things, the message pane can be toggled off/on using F8 and if the message pane is off a message will not automatically be marked as read (and "unread" is announced, while read is not).  If you wish to leave the message pane on there is a setting under the Tools menu, options, display, advanced that allows you to toggle the "automatically mark as read" on or off and if it's on set it to wait a certain number of seconds before marking as read if the message pane happens to be on.  This lets you run through messages in your inbox when you're not "really reading" them and not having them marked as read.

           Just FYI, the default state of the "Mark as Read" is "on" and with the "immediately" radio button chosen, so there is, essentially no such thing as an unread message if the message pane is on since you will have seen/read the message as soon as you've landed on it in the inbox list.

           I haven't figured out the way to get "responded" (or similar) to be announced.  When you reply there is a visible "replied arrow" that is shown directly to the left of the message subject, but it doesn't have a column associated with it that I can see and NVDA is not announcing its presence by default.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"