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Re: Any adverse impact on NVDA if I install the Microsoft Defender Application Guard?

Quentin Christensen
 

I can't think of anything, but then I believe it's only available in Windows 10 professional and enterprise?  So I don't have it on this machine to test with in any case.


On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 2:25 PM Pranav Lal <pranav@...> wrote:
Hi all,

Are there any issues with NVDA if I install Microsoft Defender Application
Guard?

It will help with browser isolation.
Pranav








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Re: Don't want NVDA announce punctuation marks

Quentin Christensen
 

Great work :)


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Re: Use of ASCII codes

Quentin Christensen
 

Looks like there might be one or more issues here.  If anyone would like to sit down and work out what is going on, please do feel free to write up an issue at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

(I just can't promise I have enough time to investigate it fully today).

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 1:36 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
Hi all, I am puzzled, because I get an upper case E acute with ALT+0201, and a lower case one with ALT+0233. What I do notice that I hadn't noticed before, is that when I type those characters in Notepad and cursor up or down to them, NVDA just says "e" but if I use the left or right arrows to get to the character than NVDA will say "e acute", beeping for the capital version.

When I try the ALT+130 code that others are talking about, I get a ""single low quote,"" which I assume is the German style of opening quote mark.

This is the website that I use to remind myself of ALT codes for accented letters if I need them:
http://usefulshortcuts.com/alt-codes/accents-alt-codes.php

Giles



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Re: Outlook Training Error

Quentin Christensen
 

Brian, you're absolutely right!  It's one of the trickiest things about Office.  If you're using Office 2003, or 2007, or 2010, I can tell you the keystroke for a particular function (well, maybe not off the top of my head, but they don't change).  Office 2016?  There were several updates which changed things around.  And Office 365 is constantly changing.

So I've looked a bit more at this ribbon change, called the "Simplified" ribbon.  Microsoft apparently introduced it early this year, although seemingly to the online office first, then Outlook, and I haven't seen it anywhere else yet, but I expect it will find its way across the suite.  Here's their page: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/use-the-simplified-ribbon-44bef9c3-295d-4092-b7f0-f471fa629a98

It indicates it applies to Office 365 and Outlook 2016.

It's basically a nightmare, designed entirely for touch users, and I would strongly encourage everyone to switch to the classic ribbon, for several reasons:

- The classic ribbon is consistent.  The keystrokes often don't make sense, but at least they don't change.  In the simplified ribbon, items can move in or out of the "overflow" area depending on how often you use them (or you can manually pin or unpin things).  That wouldn't be so bad for keyboard users, if the keystroke wasn't completely different depending on whether an item is in the ribbon or the overflow area.

- Using the classic ribbon, you can tab through every option.  Using the simplified ribbon, you can tab through the visible options, but you will need to enter one, and sometimes more than one, overflow ribbon, in order to explore features.

You can revert to the classic ribbon by pressing alt to move to the menu, then applications key to open the context menu, and choose "Use classic ribbon".

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 1:01 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

One bit of input from me:  The use of Outlook 2016 and Outlook 2019 remains very common.  I don't know where the ribbon changes occurred, but you might want to find out where, and leave in the old information with the proviso, "If you're using {insert version(s) of Outlook}," prior to each so that users will have the full skinny.  Eventually, the old version section needs to come out.  But at this juncture I think it's definitely premature to believe that all Office users are using Microsoft 365.  And given how long older versions often get kept "in the community," it makes sense to note those differences for a while, at least.

I have to imagine Outlook 2021 will follow precisely the pattern of 365 at the moment, but there's even the potential for a split to eventually happen there, too.
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Any adverse impact on NVDA if I install the Microsoft Defender Application Guard?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

Are there any issues with NVDA if I install Microsoft Defender Application
Guard?

It will help with browser isolation.
Pranav


Re: Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.

Gene
 

Just turn off speech before you type with NVDA key s.  Then when you finish typing, turn speech on again with NVDA key s twice.
 
Or, if you are doing a search, instead of using control l and then typing, use control k.  I don’t know if that will sto;p you hearing suggestions but try it and see. 
 
I’d have to check to see if you can turn off suggestions when typing in the search field or the address bar. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: John Isige
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2021 6:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.
 
Hi all.


Sorry if this is off topic, because it might end up being a Firefox
usage question, I don't know.


So if you type something in Firefox, say banjo, you can arrow down and
get a list of sites in your bookmarks that have that word in them.
That's great, I want that.


What I don't want is this. I want to research networking on Windows. SO
I start typing "how to set up a network bridge in Windows 10". What I
hear is this. I type h, I hear "www.super-banjos.com", probably because
it was the last URL I visited. As I type more, it will either keep
saying that URL, or change to another one if it thinks it's found
something else that matches. Only when I get past that will it stop
speaking, because I've hit a point where it has no more matches.


Can I turn this off somehow? I don't have any of NVDA's keyboard echo
stuff turned on because it's super confusing to me when I'm typing to
hear random stuff come up. It slows me down and messes up my typing.
This is doing the exact same thing. It's incredibly annoying.






Re: Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.

Gene
 

 
 

From: John Isige
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2021 6:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.
 
Hi all.


Sorry if this is off topic, because it might end up being a Firefox
usage question, I don't know.


So if you type something in Firefox, say banjo, you can arrow down and
get a list of sites in your bookmarks that have that word in them.
That's great, I want that.


What I don't want is this. I want to research networking on Windows. SO
I start typing "how to set up a network bridge in Windows 10". What I
hear is this. I type h, I hear "www.super-banjos.com", probably because
it was the last URL I visited. As I type more, it will either keep
saying that URL, or change to another one if it thinks it's found
something else that matches. Only when I get past that will it stop
speaking, because I've hit a point where it has no more matches.


Can I turn this off somehow? I don't have any of NVDA's keyboard echo
stuff turned on because it's super confusing to me when I'm typing to
hear random stuff come up. It slows me down and messes up my typing.
This is doing the exact same thing. It's incredibly annoying.






Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.

John Isige
 

Hi all.


Sorry if this is off topic, because it might end up being a Firefox usage question, I don't know.


So if you type something in Firefox, say banjo, you can arrow down and get a list of sites in your bookmarks that have that word in them. That's great, I want that.


What I don't want is this. I want to research networking on Windows. SO I start typing "how to set up a network bridge in Windows 10". What I hear is this. I type h, I hear "www.super-banjos.com", probably because it was the last URL I visited. As I type more, it will either keep saying that URL, or change to another one if it thinks it's found something else that matches. Only when I get past that will it stop speaking, because I've hit a point where it has no more matches.


Can I turn this off somehow? I don't have any of NVDA's keyboard echo stuff turned on because it's super confusing to me when I'm typing to hear random stuff come up. It slows me down and messes up my typing. This is doing the exact same thing. It's incredibly annoying.


Re: Microsoft Word table navigation broken in NVDA 21.1

Kelly, Kathleen
 

Hi, I have read with some interest these issues with Office 365. I spoke with a couple of folks at Microsoft today and they indicated that Microsoft was aware of the issues with NVDA. In my case the error manifests itself as a graphics error -- Word or Outlook stalls, blocks of text disappear, text corrupts to truncated lines, moves around page, mini pages in the margins, ribbon fragments into partial icons, and then the document collapses to a blank page. What do you recommend? Thanks, Kate 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Bruno Aníbal Prieto González via groups.io <brunoscuola@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Word table navigation broken in NVDA 21.1
 
WARNING: This email originated from outside of USF. Do NOT click links or attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.

Hello,
This bug is fixed in NVDA 2021.3. In the meantime, you can go to NVDA
advanced options and disable the use of Microsoft UI Automation for
Microsoft Word until we get to NVDA 2021.3.

Regards

2021-09-01 15:49 GMT-04:00, Dark Count <darkcount1@...>:
> Putting it out here because I bet I am not the only one to experience this.
>
> When navigating in side of a table created in Word 365 using control +
> alt + arrows, NVDA will report nont in a table cell though still in a
> table.
>
> This is making it just about impossible to work with tables, and these
> are regular uniformed tables.
>
> This was also present, though not to this high level in 20.4 as well.
>
>
> D C
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: Don't want NVDA announce punctuation marks

TheeQuinn Public
 

this brand new video is just for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrNQSIPNj0E


Here is a brand new tutorial on the symbol pronunciation dialog in NVDA

TheeQuinn Public
 

Awesome news! I have just posted a brand new video which breaks down the symbol pronunciation dialog in NVDA. Check it out and let me know what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrNQSIPNj0E


Re: Microsoft Word table navigation broken in NVDA 21.1

Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
 

Hello,
This bug is fixed in NVDA 2021.3. In the meantime, you can go to NVDA
advanced options and disable the use of Microsoft UI Automation for
Microsoft Word until we get to NVDA 2021.3.

Regards

2021-09-01 15:49 GMT-04:00, Dark Count <darkcount1@gmail.com>:

Putting it out here because I bet I am not the only one to experience this.

When navigating in side of a table created in Word 365 using control +
alt + arrows, NVDA will report nont in a table cell though still in a
table.

This is making it just about impossible to work with tables, and these
are regular uniformed tables.

This was also present, though not to this high level in 20.4 as well.


D C








Microsoft Word table navigation broken in NVDA 21.1

Dark Count
 

Putting it out here because I bet I am not the only one to experience this.

When navigating in side of a table created in Word 365 using control + alt + arrows, NVDA will report nont in a table cell though still in a table.

This is making it just about impossible to work with tables, and these are regular uniformed tables.

This was also present, though not to this high level in 20.4 as well.


D C


Re: Outlook 365 and NV Access Training

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah that one is alt f, I, tab to rules.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 365 and NV Access Training

 

Another one.

To open the rules and alerts dialog from the Home ribbon, press alt+h, then r, then r, then l.


Re: Outlook 365 and NV Access Training

Chris Smart
 

Another one.

To open the rules and alerts dialog from the Home ribbon, press alt+h, then r, then r, then l.


Re: Outlook 365 and NV Access Training

Chris Smart
 

I Found another one that doesn’t work in 365.

7.5 Task Views

To change views, press alt+h to open the Home Ribbon. Next, press c, then v to open the "Change View" options.”

 

 


Re: Use of ASCII codes

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all, I am puzzled, because I get an upper case E acute with ALT+0201, and a lower case one with ALT+0233. What I do notice that I hadn't noticed before, is that when I type those characters in Notepad and cursor up or down to them, NVDA just says "e" but if I use the left or right arrows to get to the character than NVDA will say "e acute", beeping for the capital version.

When I try the ALT+130 code that others are talking about, I get a ""single low quote,"" which I assume is the German style of opening quote mark.

This is the website that I use to remind myself of ALT codes for accented letters if I need them:
http://usefulshortcuts.com/alt-codes/accents-alt-codes.php

Giles


Re: Outlook Training Error

 

Quentin,

One bit of input from me:  The use of Outlook 2016 and Outlook 2019 remains very common.  I don't know where the ribbon changes occurred, but you might want to find out where, and leave in the old information with the proviso, "If you're using {insert version(s) of Outlook}," prior to each so that users will have the full skinny.  Eventually, the old version section needs to come out.  But at this juncture I think it's definitely premature to believe that all Office users are using Microsoft 365.  And given how long older versions often get kept "in the community," it makes sense to note those differences for a while, at least.

I have to imagine Outlook 2021 will follow precisely the pattern of 365 at the moment, but there's even the potential for a split to eventually happen there, too.
--

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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


"blank, blank." How to do stop nvda from saying this?

dsujan999@...
 

Hi gene ,
can you share one example please i am facing same issue


Re: Use of ASCII codes

Jacob Kruger
 

Try it with eSpeak - as in, seems like the issue might be with all the MS engines, and, their interpretation of accented characters, and, this is, in other words, not something that NVDA could really fix, unless you tried adding spoken dictionary entries, or something like that to have them read out differently?


For example, just added a whole word entry for just one of the accented letters to the voice-specific dictionary for MS Mark, and he just pronounced é as E acute?


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2021-09-01 03:18 PM, Christo Vorster wrote:

I currently use Windows OneCor Voices. I tested the SAPI 5 voice but the result was the same.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 15:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Use of ASCII codes

 

Christo, what speech synth are you making use of?

 

Ask that since, right now, testing this against NVDA 2021.2 beta, in notepad, for example, eSpeak, IBM-TTS, etc. etc. will all read out accented part of character name, but, windows one core voices don't at all - they just tell me the primary name of the letter?

 

é ê ë - there's an example of 3 different accented versions of the letter E that 3 of the one core voices just spoke out as E E E, whereas eSpeak-ng, etc. tells me that they are E acute, E circumflex and E umlaut.

 

HTH


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2021-09-01 12:50 PM, Christo Vorster wrote:

Hi Quentin

 

Nothing happens. I tried it just now and it reads “e” but not, as earlier, “e acute”.


Regards

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 11:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Use of ASCII codes

 

Hi Chris,

 

Is it that pressing alt+130 is not working at all, or that NVDA is not reporting anything when you press it?  I just tried now, and it inserts é into Word (365 at least), but NVDA did not report anything.  I will write up an issue for that, but the é character definitely did get inserted.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 6:28 PM Christo Vorster <cvklaviere@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin

 

I upgraded to NVDA 2021.1 and suddenly I find that I can no longer use the ASCII codes, as I used to do. I’m talking, eg, ALT+130 (to type Acute E,  etc.

 

I haven’t updated the version of Word I’m using, it still is Word 2016.

 

Is there a remedy to rectify this problem, or any other way to create these codes?

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa))

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 09:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

 

Hi Chris,

 

Thanks for highlighting these!  The good news (for me), the first one is where I must have rewritten the paragraph and then inadvertently left both copies in.  The second was where I had simply repeated a sentence - and the rest are changes Microsoft have made to their ribbon structure.

 

In each of those cases, the keystroke changing is caused by Microsoft moving the option into a submenu, so it it on the same ribbon but you need to add 0, then 0:

 

To toggle the BCC field, press alt+p, 0, 0, b

 

To add reccurance to a calendar event, with the event open, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0, e.

 

To add a new calendar, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0, a, o  (as well as being in that 0 0 menu, it is in an "add / share" submenu as well, as is b" for new blank calendar).

 

The recurrence change is the one I really disagree with - while you shouldn't need to add calendars too often, or toggle the BCC field, you often need to add or edit recurrance to a calender event.  If anyone else feels the same way, the best I can suggest is petitioning Microsoft to make it easier to get to.

 

I'll update the module in the shop, once I've edit it a bit more - and if you find any other issues through the remainder of the module, please do let me know!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

 

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 11:55 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

Hi.

 

Here’s what I’ve jotted down so far as I work through the module. I’m only about halfway through, and I’m not sure which of these are actual issues or a matter of misreading things on my part, i.e. operator error.

 

NOTE: The following possible errors were encountered while working through your Outlook training, while using Outlook version 16.0.14326.20216.

A general comment: Lists, like the table of contents, are not formatted correctly in the epub version, at least when read using QRead 3.21 for Windows. Could these be put one item per line, or even turned into hyperlinks, if the EPUB format supports it?

 

2.4 Sending Email: Duplicate sentence.

“After writing and double checking a message, press alt+s to send it. Once sent, the message cannot be cancelled. After writing and double checking a message, it is ready to be sent. To send a message, press alt+s. Once a message has been sent, it can generally not be recalled.”

 

2.7 Reading Messages

You repeat yourself in the paragraph about message sorting.

The default message order is to have the newest at the top and the oldest at the bottom. To reverse this sort order, press alt+v, then r, then s. The sort order can also be changed to another field. Sort by subject to have messages sorted by their subject line, alphabetically. Messages can also be sorted by sender, recipient, and many other fields. Press alt+v, then a, then b to choose the field messages are arranged by. This opens a menu where the field to sort by can be chosen. If desired, reverse the sort order with alt+v, then r, then s.”

 

3.6 Using BCC

Press alt+p to open the Options ribbon, then b to activate the BCC option.”

While editing a message ALT+P does indeed open the Options ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do anything.

 

4.6 Recurring Appointments:

When editing an appointment, press alt+h, then e to open the "Appointment Recurrence" dialog.”

I get an error chime when I press the E in that key sequence.

 

4.8 Using Multiple Calendars:

To add a new calendar, press alt+h, then o, then c.”

I can’t get that to work.

 

 

I hope to get through the rest of the module today.

 

Chris

 


 

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