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locked Announcement Only: Accessible Python Editor Study

SBillah
 

Moderator's Note:  I have chosen to allow this announcement because opportunities such as this one do not present themselves very often at all and I know that we have at least some members who are active or aspiring Python coders.  It will be locked immediately upon posting.  Please contact Dr. Billah directly, at the e-mail address provided, with any questions regarding this study or participation in it.

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I am Syed Billah; I am an assistant professor at the Pennsylvania State University. One of our research agenda is to make computer programming accessible to students with vision impairments.
 
Our lab recently developed a research prototype of an accessible online editor for Python. Programming languages like Python are predominantly visual. As a result, sighted programmers often rely on visual cues, such as empty spaces, highlighting parentheses, to write error-free code in an editor. Unfortunately, most editors fail to properly convey these visual cues in audio, making it difficult to write code non-visually. 
 
We hope our prototype overcomes these challenges and lets someone  writes Python code non-visually. 
 
Currently, we are running a study to test this prototype. We invite adults with vision impairments who are familiar with Python to participate in our study.
Participants will be asked to read/write simple Python code non-visually using screen readers (e.g., NVDA).

The study will be conducted over Zoom video conferencing software. It will take 2 hours, and we'll pay an Amazon Gift card of USD $50 to compensate for the individual's time. Please note that payment may take a week due to the official process. 
 
If you are interested, don't hesitate to contact me, Syed Billah at sbillah@....
 
 
Thank you,
 
Syed M. Billah, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
College of Information Science and Technology
The Pennsylvania State University 
University Park, Pennsylvania
 


Regarding SAP Accessibility

ANILKUMAR K R
 

Hi,

Do hope that you all are keeping well. I have come with some of the
queries with regard to SAP-ERP. I would like to get orientation about
SAP system and would like to learn how to work in it with the help of
NVDA or JAWS. I have with me licensed JAWS 2020. Please let me know
that is it fully accessible? If not, is there any addon by installing
the same, we can work. Actually, in my office, many works which
should be done in SAP. Is there any tutorial available? Is any
institution which provides training in SAP? Kindly throw some light
to address my issues which would be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Anil


Re: Making phonetic pronunciations for numbers

Quentin Christensen
 

Good question.

I am not a linguist, but I know when I was taught the phonetic alphabet, for numbers, it was more speaking clearly and stressing the sounds, I found a chart here: https://vks737.radio/phonetic-alphabet-numerals/

Not sure if that helps.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:48 PM Maria S <raynbo15@...> wrote:
I have an unusual ask of any of the developers out there. I have an
auditory processing disorder, and I have become increasingly more
reliant on being able to have a character's phonetic name given if I
need it. However, this doesn't work with numbers. I dug around in the
dictionary and language settings but couldn't find anything that
really worked. Is it even possible to do this?

By the way, I definitely love Braille but I have to save some money to
et my display fixed. Otherwise this would be less of a problem.

Thanks for any ideas or thoughts. Feel free to contact me privately at
raynbo15@... if that is easier.

Have a great day, Maria S







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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.

Gene
 

I just checked this.  As I thought, if you search in the address bar, control l, you will hear suggestions spoken.  If you use control k, a search field for searching and nothing else, you will not hear suggestions spoken. 
Control k, type the search and press enter.  The results page will come up.  it will be the results page from your default search engine.  I believe in Firefox, its Google, but I’m not sure.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.
 
i disabled various options including search suggestions to avoid such problems.

On 9/2/21, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
>
> Sorry if this is off topic, because it might end up being a Firefox
> usage question, I don't know.
>
>
> So if you type something in Firefox, say banjo, you can arrow down and
> get a list of sites in your bookmarks that have that word in them.
> That's great, I want that.
>
>
> What I don't want is this. I want to research networking on Windows. SO
> I start typing "how to set up a network bridge in Windows 10". What I
> hear is this. I type h, I hear "www.super-banjos.com", probably because
> it was the last URL I visited. As I type more, it will either keep
> saying that URL, or change to another one if it thinks it's found
> something else that matches. Only when I get past that will it stop
> speaking, because I've hit a point where it has no more matches.
>
>
> Can I turn this off somehow? I don't have any of NVDA's keyboard echo
> stuff turned on because it's super confusing to me when I'm typing to
> hear random stuff come up. It slows me down and messes up my typing.
> This is doing the exact same thing. It's incredibly annoying.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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in order that
I may disobey God
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Re: Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.

 

i disabled various options including search suggestions to avoid such problems.

On 9/2/21, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:
Hi all.


Sorry if this is off topic, because it might end up being a Firefox
usage question, I don't know.


So if you type something in Firefox, say banjo, you can arrow down and
get a list of sites in your bookmarks that have that word in them.
That's great, I want that.


What I don't want is this. I want to research networking on Windows. SO
I start typing "how to set up a network bridge in Windows 10". What I
hear is this. I type h, I hear "www.super-banjos.com", probably because
it was the last URL I visited. As I type more, it will either keep
saying that URL, or change to another one if it thinks it's found
something else that matches. Only when I get past that will it stop
speaking, because I've hit a point where it has no more matches.


Can I turn this off somehow? I don't have any of NVDA's keyboard echo
stuff turned on because it's super confusing to me when I'm typing to
hear random stuff come up. It slows me down and messes up my typing.
This is doing the exact same thing. It's incredibly annoying.






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Making phonetic pronunciations for numbers

Maria S
 

I have an unusual ask of any of the developers out there. I have an
auditory processing disorder, and I have become increasingly more
reliant on being able to have a character's phonetic name given if I
need it. However, this doesn't work with numbers. I dug around in the
dictionary and language settings but couldn't find anything that
really worked. Is it even possible to do this?

By the way, I definitely love Braille but I have to save some money to
et my display fixed. Otherwise this would be less of a problem.

Thanks for any ideas or thoughts. Feel free to contact me privately at
raynbo15@... if that is easier.

Have a great day, Maria S


Re: Any adverse impact on NVDA if I install the Microsoft Defender Application Guard?

Quentin Christensen
 

I can't think of anything, but then I believe it's only available in Windows 10 professional and enterprise?  So I don't have it on this machine to test with in any case.


On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 2:25 PM Pranav Lal <pranav@...> wrote:
Hi all,

Are there any issues with NVDA if I install Microsoft Defender Application
Guard?

It will help with browser isolation.
Pranav








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Don't want NVDA announce punctuation marks

Quentin Christensen
 

Great work :)


On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 7:53 AM TheeQuinn Public <theequinnpublic@...> wrote:
this brand new video is just for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrNQSIPNj0E



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Use of ASCII codes

Quentin Christensen
 

Looks like there might be one or more issues here.  If anyone would like to sit down and work out what is going on, please do feel free to write up an issue at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

(I just can't promise I have enough time to investigate it fully today).

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 1:36 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
Hi all, I am puzzled, because I get an upper case E acute with ALT+0201, and a lower case one with ALT+0233. What I do notice that I hadn't noticed before, is that when I type those characters in Notepad and cursor up or down to them, NVDA just says "e" but if I use the left or right arrows to get to the character than NVDA will say "e acute", beeping for the capital version.

When I try the ALT+130 code that others are talking about, I get a ""single low quote,"" which I assume is the German style of opening quote mark.

This is the website that I use to remind myself of ALT codes for accented letters if I need them:
http://usefulshortcuts.com/alt-codes/accents-alt-codes.php

Giles



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Outlook Training Error

Quentin Christensen
 

Brian, you're absolutely right!  It's one of the trickiest things about Office.  If you're using Office 2003, or 2007, or 2010, I can tell you the keystroke for a particular function (well, maybe not off the top of my head, but they don't change).  Office 2016?  There were several updates which changed things around.  And Office 365 is constantly changing.

So I've looked a bit more at this ribbon change, called the "Simplified" ribbon.  Microsoft apparently introduced it early this year, although seemingly to the online office first, then Outlook, and I haven't seen it anywhere else yet, but I expect it will find its way across the suite.  Here's their page: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/use-the-simplified-ribbon-44bef9c3-295d-4092-b7f0-f471fa629a98

It indicates it applies to Office 365 and Outlook 2016.

It's basically a nightmare, designed entirely for touch users, and I would strongly encourage everyone to switch to the classic ribbon, for several reasons:

- The classic ribbon is consistent.  The keystrokes often don't make sense, but at least they don't change.  In the simplified ribbon, items can move in or out of the "overflow" area depending on how often you use them (or you can manually pin or unpin things).  That wouldn't be so bad for keyboard users, if the keystroke wasn't completely different depending on whether an item is in the ribbon or the overflow area.

- Using the classic ribbon, you can tab through every option.  Using the simplified ribbon, you can tab through the visible options, but you will need to enter one, and sometimes more than one, overflow ribbon, in order to explore features.

You can revert to the classic ribbon by pressing alt to move to the menu, then applications key to open the context menu, and choose "Use classic ribbon".

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 1:01 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

One bit of input from me:  The use of Outlook 2016 and Outlook 2019 remains very common.  I don't know where the ribbon changes occurred, but you might want to find out where, and leave in the old information with the proviso, "If you're using {insert version(s) of Outlook}," prior to each so that users will have the full skinny.  Eventually, the old version section needs to come out.  But at this juncture I think it's definitely premature to believe that all Office users are using Microsoft 365.  And given how long older versions often get kept "in the community," it makes sense to note those differences for a while, at least.

I have to imagine Outlook 2021 will follow precisely the pattern of 365 at the moment, but there's even the potential for a split to eventually happen there, too.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 



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Training and Support Manager


Any adverse impact on NVDA if I install the Microsoft Defender Application Guard?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

Are there any issues with NVDA if I install Microsoft Defender Application
Guard?

It will help with browser isolation.
Pranav


Re: Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.

Gene
 

Just turn off speech before you type with NVDA key s.  Then when you finish typing, turn speech on again with NVDA key s twice.
 
Or, if you are doing a search, instead of using control l and then typing, use control k.  I don’t know if that will sto;p you hearing suggestions but try it and see. 
 
I’d have to check to see if you can turn off suggestions when typing in the search field or the address bar. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: John Isige
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2021 6:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.
 
Hi all.


Sorry if this is off topic, because it might end up being a Firefox
usage question, I don't know.


So if you type something in Firefox, say banjo, you can arrow down and
get a list of sites in your bookmarks that have that word in them.
That's great, I want that.


What I don't want is this. I want to research networking on Windows. SO
I start typing "how to set up a network bridge in Windows 10". What I
hear is this. I type h, I hear "www.super-banjos.com", probably because
it was the last URL I visited. As I type more, it will either keep
saying that URL, or change to another one if it thinks it's found
something else that matches. Only when I get past that will it stop
speaking, because I've hit a point where it has no more matches.


Can I turn this off somehow? I don't have any of NVDA's keyboard echo
stuff turned on because it's super confusing to me when I'm typing to
hear random stuff come up. It slows me down and messes up my typing.
This is doing the exact same thing. It's incredibly annoying.






Re: Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.

Gene
 

 
 

From: John Isige
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2021 6:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.
 
Hi all.


Sorry if this is off topic, because it might end up being a Firefox
usage question, I don't know.


So if you type something in Firefox, say banjo, you can arrow down and
get a list of sites in your bookmarks that have that word in them.
That's great, I want that.


What I don't want is this. I want to research networking on Windows. SO
I start typing "how to set up a network bridge in Windows 10". What I
hear is this. I type h, I hear "www.super-banjos.com", probably because
it was the last URL I visited. As I type more, it will either keep
saying that URL, or change to another one if it thinks it's found
something else that matches. Only when I get past that will it stop
speaking, because I've hit a point where it has no more matches.


Can I turn this off somehow? I don't have any of NVDA's keyboard echo
stuff turned on because it's super confusing to me when I'm typing to
hear random stuff come up. It slows me down and messes up my typing.
This is doing the exact same thing. It's incredibly annoying.






Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.

John Isige
 

Hi all.


Sorry if this is off topic, because it might end up being a Firefox usage question, I don't know.


So if you type something in Firefox, say banjo, you can arrow down and get a list of sites in your bookmarks that have that word in them. That's great, I want that.


What I don't want is this. I want to research networking on Windows. SO I start typing "how to set up a network bridge in Windows 10". What I hear is this. I type h, I hear "www.super-banjos.com", probably because it was the last URL I visited. As I type more, it will either keep saying that URL, or change to another one if it thinks it's found something else that matches. Only when I get past that will it stop speaking, because I've hit a point where it has no more matches.


Can I turn this off somehow? I don't have any of NVDA's keyboard echo stuff turned on because it's super confusing to me when I'm typing to hear random stuff come up. It slows me down and messes up my typing. This is doing the exact same thing. It's incredibly annoying.


Re: Microsoft Word table navigation broken in NVDA 21.1

Kelly, Kathleen
 

Hi, I have read with some interest these issues with Office 365. I spoke with a couple of folks at Microsoft today and they indicated that Microsoft was aware of the issues with NVDA. In my case the error manifests itself as a graphics error -- Word or Outlook stalls, blocks of text disappear, text corrupts to truncated lines, moves around page, mini pages in the margins, ribbon fragments into partial icons, and then the document collapses to a blank page. What do you recommend? Thanks, Kate 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Bruno Aníbal Prieto González via groups.io <brunoscuola@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Word table navigation broken in NVDA 21.1
 
WARNING: This email originated from outside of USF. Do NOT click links or attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.

Hello,
This bug is fixed in NVDA 2021.3. In the meantime, you can go to NVDA
advanced options and disable the use of Microsoft UI Automation for
Microsoft Word until we get to NVDA 2021.3.

Regards

2021-09-01 15:49 GMT-04:00, Dark Count <darkcount1@...>:
> Putting it out here because I bet I am not the only one to experience this.
>
> When navigating in side of a table created in Word 365 using control +
> alt + arrows, NVDA will report nont in a table cell though still in a
> table.
>
> This is making it just about impossible to work with tables, and these
> are regular uniformed tables.
>
> This was also present, though not to this high level in 20.4 as well.
>
>
> D C
>
>
>
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Re: Don't want NVDA announce punctuation marks

TheeQuinn Public
 

this brand new video is just for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrNQSIPNj0E


Here is a brand new tutorial on the symbol pronunciation dialog in NVDA

TheeQuinn Public
 

Awesome news! I have just posted a brand new video which breaks down the symbol pronunciation dialog in NVDA. Check it out and let me know what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrNQSIPNj0E


Re: Microsoft Word table navigation broken in NVDA 21.1

Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
 

Hello,
This bug is fixed in NVDA 2021.3. In the meantime, you can go to NVDA
advanced options and disable the use of Microsoft UI Automation for
Microsoft Word until we get to NVDA 2021.3.

Regards

2021-09-01 15:49 GMT-04:00, Dark Count <darkcount1@...>:

Putting it out here because I bet I am not the only one to experience this.

When navigating in side of a table created in Word 365 using control +
alt + arrows, NVDA will report nont in a table cell though still in a
table.

This is making it just about impossible to work with tables, and these
are regular uniformed tables.

This was also present, though not to this high level in 20.4 as well.


D C








Microsoft Word table navigation broken in NVDA 21.1

Dark Count
 

Putting it out here because I bet I am not the only one to experience this.

When navigating in side of a table created in Word 365 using control + alt + arrows, NVDA will report nont in a table cell though still in a table.

This is making it just about impossible to work with tables, and these are regular uniformed tables.

This was also present, though not to this high level in 20.4 as well.


D C


Re: Outlook 365 and NV Access Training

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah that one is alt f, I, tab to rules.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 365 and NV Access Training

 

Another one.

To open the rules and alerts dialog from the Home ribbon, press alt+h, then r, then r, then l.

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