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locked Re: A History of ETI Eloquence

Chris Smart
 

Doubt it. Yeah, I thought that was funny, the person responding as if the author was actually going to see it.

Seriously though, if we had a way to contact her, she might be astonished to find out just how many blind people are using, and greatly prefer, the fruits of all of that labor.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 3, 2021 11:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A History of ETI Eloquence

I have no idea if the person who wrote this article is on the list. I doubt it. it is a very interesting article.


Gene

On 9/3/2021 9:19 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
and now, on 2021, I still use Eloquence onb my pc.
Perhaps it is not the best synthesizer for reading books, compared
with the high quality voices of these years, but for working it is
simply the best.
So, for me it is simply awesome to have the opportunity to thank you
for all your work.
You changed the life of visual impaired people, be happy of your life!








2021-09-03 16:04 GMT+02:00, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org>:
https://amhistory.si.edu/archives/speechsynthesis/ss_hert.htm







locked Re: A History of ETI Eloquence

David Csercsics
 

I'm surprised the eloquence code still runs anywhere. Do you suppose it will break for Windows 11, when everyone updates to 64-bit only? Does anyone have the current source code? In any case, thanks for the fascinating article. It seems to be the speediest synth we currently have access to, unless you count ESpeak-NG with the rate boost. So good work for that. I find the rate boost adds weird distortion, does anyone else notice this? Or did I miss something.


locked Re: A History of ETI Eloquence

Gene
 

I have no idea if the person who wrote this article is on the list.  I doubt it.  it is a very interesting article.


Gene

On 9/3/2021 9:19 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
and now, on 2021, I still use Eloquence onb my pc.
Perhaps it is not the best synthesizer for reading books, compared
with the high quality voices of these years, but for working it is
simply the best.
So, for me it is simply awesome to have the opportunity to thank you
for all your work.
You changed the life of visual impaired people, be happy of your life!








2021-09-03 16:04 GMT+02:00, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org>:
https://amhistory.si.edu/archives/speechsynthesis/ss_hert.htm







locked Re: A History of ETI Eloquence

Simone Dal Maso
 

and now, on 2021, I still use Eloquence onb my pc.
Perhaps it is not the best synthesizer for reading books, compared
with the high quality voices of these years, but for working it is
simply the best.
So, for me it is simply awesome to have the opportunity to thank you
for all your work.
You changed the life of visual impaired people, be happy of your life!








2021-09-03 16:04 GMT+02:00, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org>:

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locked A History of ETI Eloquence

Chris Smart
 


Re: Outlook Training Error

Quentin Christensen
 

Quick update on this whole Outlook ribbon issue.  I investigated some more and wrote up some information on our blog this week: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-3rd-september-2021/

TL;DR: Our recommendation is to switch back to the classic ribbon interface in Outlook.  Press alt to access the ribbon, applications key to open the context menu and choose "Use Classic Ribbon".

I've passed on a fair bit of feedback to Microsoft on this and I'd encourage anyone else who has feelings on it to do likewise.


On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 2:56 PM Quentin Christensen via groups.io <quentin=nvaccess.org@groups.io> wrote:
Brian, you're absolutely right!  It's one of the trickiest things about Office.  If you're using Office 2003, or 2007, or 2010, I can tell you the keystroke for a particular function (well, maybe not off the top of my head, but they don't change).  Office 2016?  There were several updates which changed things around.  And Office 365 is constantly changing.

So I've looked a bit more at this ribbon change, called the "Simplified" ribbon.  Microsoft apparently introduced it early this year, although seemingly to the online office first, then Outlook, and I haven't seen it anywhere else yet, but I expect it will find its way across the suite.  Here's their page: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/use-the-simplified-ribbon-44bef9c3-295d-4092-b7f0-f471fa629a98

It indicates it applies to Office 365 and Outlook 2016.

It's basically a nightmare, designed entirely for touch users, and I would strongly encourage everyone to switch to the classic ribbon, for several reasons:

- The classic ribbon is consistent.  The keystrokes often don't make sense, but at least they don't change.  In the simplified ribbon, items can move in or out of the "overflow" area depending on how often you use them (or you can manually pin or unpin things).  That wouldn't be so bad for keyboard users, if the keystroke wasn't completely different depending on whether an item is in the ribbon or the overflow area.

- Using the classic ribbon, you can tab through every option.  Using the simplified ribbon, you can tab through the visible options, but you will need to enter one, and sometimes more than one, overflow ribbon, in order to explore features.

You can revert to the classic ribbon by pressing alt to move to the menu, then applications key to open the context menu, and choose "Use classic ribbon".

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 1:01 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

One bit of input from me:  The use of Outlook 2016 and Outlook 2019 remains very common.  I don't know where the ribbon changes occurred, but you might want to find out where, and leave in the old information with the proviso, "If you're using {insert version(s) of Outlook}," prior to each so that users will have the full skinny.  Eventually, the old version section needs to come out.  But at this juncture I think it's definitely premature to believe that all Office users are using Microsoft 365.  And given how long older versions often get kept "in the community," it makes sense to note those differences for a while, at least.

I have to imagine Outlook 2021 will follow precisely the pattern of 365 at the moment, but there's even the potential for a split to eventually happen there, too.
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In-Process 3rd September

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring information on the translation string freeze for NVDA 2021.2, an update to Basic Training for NVDA, and an in-depth look at Outlook's "Simplified" ribbon (including how to get back to the "Classic" ribbon): https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-3rd-september-2021/

Kind regards

Quentin.
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Re: Any adverse impact on NVDA if I install the Microsoft Defender Application Guard?

Quentin Christensen
 

Excellent!

Do let us know if you run into any issues :)

Quentin.

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 9:35 AM Pranav Lal <pranav@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

I have installed the feature and so far so good, edge is running nicely.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 11:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any adverse impact on mvda if I install the Install Microsoft Defender Application Guard

 

I can't think of anything, but then I believe it's only available in Windows 10 professional and enterprise?  So I don't have it on this machine to test with in any case.

 

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 2:25 PM Pranav Lal <pranav@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Are there any issues with NVDA if I install Microsoft Defender Application
Guard?

It will help with browser isolation.
Pranav






 

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Re: Any adverse impact on NVDA if I install the Microsoft Defender Application Guard?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Quentin,

 

I have installed the feature and so far so good, edge is running nicely.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 11:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any adverse impact on mvda if I install the Install Microsoft Defender Application Guard

 

I can't think of anything, but then I believe it's only available in Windows 10 professional and enterprise?  So I don't have it on this machine to test with in any case.

 

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 2:25 PM Pranav Lal <pranav@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Are there any issues with NVDA if I install Microsoft Defender Application
Guard?

It will help with browser isolation.
Pranav






 

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Re: announcing time in nvda

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

Thank you,

Thanks for letting me see my previous thread which I mislaid.

More than satisfied with the help this list gives me.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sascha Cowley via groups.io
Sent: 02 September 2021 22:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing time in nvda

 

Dennis,
You have already asked this question in this group, and received a suggested solution from me, that was further expanded upon by Brian. If this solution is unsatisfactory for whatever reason, please kindly explain why.
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/84470300


Re: announcing time in nvda

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

Hello list,

I know I put a message on list some time ago regarding this.

However I mislaid the replys I received.

I was totally satisfied with them and always look forward to suggestions from this list.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of dennis huckle
Sent: 02 September 2021 20:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] announcing time in nvda

 

I have a list of programs on radio 4 extra kindly sent to me.

When going through the list in notepad using nvda rather than jaws, If I get to a time sush as 18:00 nvda announces 18 o’clock.

Is this normal or can I adjust a setting to announce the time rather than o’clock.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


Re: Can't update NVDA

Jackie
 

Ann, there is a lot you don't tell us here. What version of Windows
are you running? What version of NVDA do you currently have? Would it
be possible for you to please copy and paste the precise error
message?

On 9/2/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Try rebooting and have NVDA not run at boot up. Run another screen-reader.
Then install the new version. Though you shouldn’t have the problem, no
NVDA file will be in use if NVDA never runs. I wonder if the problem is
caused by an add-on.

Ge ne
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can't update NVDA

I have tried to update NVDA both using the update feature in the menu
and downloading/installing the newest version. I get an error
message either way, stating that a file is in use and the update
fails. I can't find NVDA in my listed programs, so I can't uninstall
it. There are no NVDA folders in appdata. there is another user
profile on my computer, but that user hasn't logged on since before
covid, and wouldn't use NVDA if he were.

Where do I find the offending file, or how can I override this error?

thanks much,

Ann










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Re: announcing time in nvda

Sascha Cowley
 

Dennis,
You have already asked this question in this group, and received a suggested solution from me, that was further expanded upon by Brian. If this solution is unsatisfactory for whatever reason, please kindly explain why.
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/84470300


Re: Can't update NVDA

Gene
 

Try rebooting and have NVDA not run at boot up.  Run another screen-reader.  Then install the new version.  Though you shouldn’t have the problem, no NVDA file will be in use if NVDA never runs.  I wonder if the problem is caused by an add-on.
 
Ge ne

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 3:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Can't update NVDA
 
I have tried to update NVDA both using the update feature in the menu
and downloading/installing the newest version.  I get an error
message either way, stating that a file is in use and the update
fails.  I can't find NVDA in my listed programs, so I can't uninstall
it.  There are no NVDA folders in appdata.  there is another user
profile on my computer, but that user hasn't logged on since before
covid, and wouldn't use NVDA if he were.

Where do I find the offending file, or how can I override this error?

thanks much,

Ann






Re: Don't want NVDA announce punctuation marks

benmoxey@...
 

Agreed! Nice work! :)

On 2 Sep 2021, at 3:23 pm, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Great work :)

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 7:53 AM TheeQuinn Public <theequinnpublic@...> wrote:
this brand new video is just for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrNQSIPNj0E




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Can't update NVDA

Ann Byrne
 

I have tried to update NVDA both using the update feature in the menu and downloading/installing the newest version. I get an error message either way, stating that a file is in use and the update fails. I can't find NVDA in my listed programs, so I can't uninstall it. There are no NVDA folders in appdata. there is another user profile on my computer, but that user hasn't logged on since before covid, and wouldn't use NVDA if he were.

Where do I find the offending file, or how can I override this error?

thanks much,

Ann


Re: announcing time in nvda

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

Hello Chris,

I suspect you are correct.

This doesn’t happen with jaws so I may consider purchasing code factory equlonce but as this is a minor inconvenience I may just keep with George.

Just exploring really.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 02 September 2021 21:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing time in nvda

 

Hi Dennis

I suspect this may be a function of the synthesizer you are using rather than NVDA.  I have tried it with 4 different synthesizers and all announce 18:00.

 

Cheers

Chris 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: dennis huckle
Sent: 02 September 2021 20:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] announcing time in nvda

 

I have a list of programs on radio 4 extra kindly sent to me.

When going through the list in notepad using nvda rather than jaws, If I get to a time sush as 18:00 nvda announces 18 o’clock.

Is this normal or can I adjust a setting to announce the time rather than o’clock.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 


Re: announcing time in nvda

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Dennis

I suspect this may be a function of the synthesizer you are using rather than NVDA.  I have tried it with 4 different synthesizers and all announce 18:00.

 

Cheers

Chris 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: dennis huckle
Sent: 02 September 2021 20:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] announcing time in nvda

 

I have a list of programs on radio 4 extra kindly sent to me.

When going through the list in notepad using nvda rather than jaws, If I get to a time sush as 18:00 nvda announces 18 o’clock.

Is this normal or can I adjust a setting to announce the time rather than o’clock.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 


announcing time in nvda

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

I have a list of programs on radio 4 extra kindly sent to me.

When going through the list in notepad using nvda rather than jaws, If I get to a time sush as 18:00 nvda announces 18 o’clock.

Is this normal or can I adjust a setting to announce the time rather than o’clock.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


Re: Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.

John Isige
 

OK, I've figured out the issue, at least. I literally just turned off every search thing I can find, I even changed it from use the address bar to search and told it to put a search thingy in the toolbar. The reason it's reading something is because it's literally filling in a URL. So for example, if I type www, it literally writes www.youtube.com into the address bar. So I think what's happening is that as I type, it's filling that in, or something else if it finds another match, until I type enough that it can't match anymore. I have no idea where it's pulling from though.


Anyway since this is apparently a Firefox problem now, I'll go and do my own digging on it, so as not to be off topic.


On 9/2/2021 4:21 AM, Gene wrote:
I just checked this.  As I thought, if you search in the address bar, control l, you will hear suggestions spoken.  If you use control k, a search field for searching and nothing else, you will not hear suggestions spoken. 
Control k, type the search and press enter.  The results page will come up.  it will be the results page from your default search engine.  I believe in Firefox, its Google, but I’m not sure.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Stopping NVDA from reading partial URLs in Firefox.
 
i disabled various options including search suggestions to avoid such problems.

On 9/2/21, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
>
> Sorry if this is off topic, because it might end up being a Firefox
> usage question, I don't know.
>
>
> So if you type something in Firefox, say banjo, you can arrow down and
> get a list of sites in your bookmarks that have that word in them.
> That's great, I want that.
>
>
> What I don't want is this. I want to research networking on Windows. SO
> I start typing "how to set up a network bridge in Windows 10". What I
> hear is this. I type h, I hear "www.super-banjos.com", probably because
> it was the last URL I visited. As I type more, it will either keep
> saying that URL, or change to another one if it thinks it's found
> something else that matches. Only when I get past that will it stop
> speaking, because I've hit a point where it has no more matches.
>
>
> Can I turn this off somehow? I don't have any of NVDA's keyboard echo
> stuff turned on because it's super confusing to me when I'm typing to
> hear random stuff come up. It slows me down and messes up my typing.
> This is doing the exact same thing. It's incredibly annoying.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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