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Re: Clipspeak addon

Kevin Cussick
 

ruia, do You have an updated addon for your addon documentation? thanks in advance.

On 08/09/2021 20:31, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi Rui
That’s perfect, many thanks
Cheers
Chris
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*From: *Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@...>
*Sent: *08 September 2021 18:06
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Clipspeak addon
Here is a version that should work...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ahmqhqbjde3gdm/clipspeak2021.1_compatible_and_translations_possible.nvda-addon?dl=1 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ahmqhqbjde3gdm/clipspeak2021.1_compatible_and_translations_possible.nvda-addon?dl=1>
You can also use other add-ons to the same purpose...
Rui Fontes
Às 16:41 de 08/09/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:
There does not seem to be.  Even on GitHub, the original ClipSpeak
<https://github.com/nvdaes/NVDAAddon-Clipspeak> code has remained
unchanged since 2017.  I can't seem to find any easy way to contact
the original developer, either.
Since this project is open-source someone else could take it over if
the original developer cannot be reached or has made the decision to
cease development.
--
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance
and conscientious stupidity.
         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.


Clock add-on: being modernized as we speak

 

Hello NVDA users,

In the midst of studying for graduate coursework, I’m delighted to announce that Clock add-on (developed by Hrvoje Katic) is undergoing massive facelift. I’m sure many of you were wondering about lack of news about this add-on, but fear not – a group of NVDA add-on developers are updating the add-on to make it work on newer NVDA releases.

Part of the reason why there has been no news on Clock add-on was the difficulty in finding new maintainers. The add-ons community recently got in touch with Hrvoje (original author) about the status of the Clock add-on with NvDA 2021.1. In response, Hrvoje informed us that he cannot maintain the add-on on a timely manner and asked the community to keep it updated. After a community-led discussion, it was agreed that I (Joseph Lee) will perform a massive “surgery” of this add-on i.e. I’m modernizing it on behalf of the community as it was felt that I was the best person to do it (a huge thank you to Abdel and others for keeping the add-on updated for a while).

The whole point of this massive surgery is to teach Clock add-on to use newer NVDA features. The last major change was made last year (2020) as part of upgrading to Python 3. Since then many things happened, and it was found that there are features in newer NVDA releases that the add-on can use. The most noticeable change is better integration with NVDA’s multi-page settings interface, as well as defining scripts easier.

At the same time, it was pointed out that the add-on uses a mixture of Python 2 and 3 code. Python 2 is end of life as of 2020, and since NVDA 2019.3’s release more add-ons have migrated to Python 3. Therefore, it was decided that this would be the golden opportunity to move Clock add-on to full Python 3 once and for all.

But perhaps the biggest reason for this surgery is to clean up the add-on code. I think the biggest reason why the add-ons community asked me to perform this facelift was recent experiences with modernizing add-on code. I believe that one way to make add-on development easier is to align the source code more closely with that of NVDA screen reader itself. With this mindset, I have performed code cleanup and modernization on a number of add-ons, and add-ons that were maintained by me recently had their code cleaned up.

So in summary, the following changes are planned or coming with a future version of Clock add-on (tentatively scheduled for late September):

  • NVDA 2019.3 or later is required. As I pointed out earlier, this is so that the Clock add-on can take advantage of Python 3 and newer NVDA features.
  • Possible changes to the user interface messages: there are areas (particularly add-on settings) that could see some refinements to interface messages. Although not for certain, I expect some changes will be made to interface messages.
  • Many internal changes to align add-on source code closer to that of NVDA screen reader. This mostly affects future add-on maintainers.

 

As for how long I will maintain Clock add-on, it depends; I think maybe several months before I pass the add-on back to the community for further maintenance as my primary job with this add-on is the grand modernization surgery. So, as users, you can rest assured that I and members of the add-ons community are working hard to release a version of Clock add-on that is optimized for NVDA 2019.3 and later (and also compatible with 2021.1 and later).

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA documentation

Rui Fontes
 

In this specific case, it was Jaws copying NVDA! lol!


Regards,


Rui Fontes


Às 20:56 de 08/09/2021, Jonathan COHN via groups.io escreveu:

So this works the same way essentially as JAWS's touch cursor if I am reading your description correctly. JAWS does have an "advanced touch" cursor mode that treats up/down/left/right almost identically to how NVDA does object navigation.
Thanks, this is quite useful to know.
Jonathan C. Cohn 

On Sep 8, 2021, at 08:29, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Quentin is the one who looks after documentation these days, and I sometimes look at user guide.

The flattened view refers to moving to the next or previous object regardless of object navigation hierarchy. For example, you can move from an object to its child, then to the object's sibling, then to the object next to its parent and what not. This was implemented to support object navigation via touchscreen gestures where you can move among objects on the screen regardless of relationship.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: NVDA documentation

Jonathan COHN
 

So this works the same way essentially as JAWS's touch cursor if I am reading your description correctly. JAWS does have an "advanced touch" cursor mode that treats up/down/left/right almost identically to how NVDA does object navigation.
Thanks, this is quite useful to know.
Jonathan C. Cohn 

On Sep 8, 2021, at 08:29, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Quentin is the one who looks after documentation these days, and I sometimes look at user guide.

The flattened view refers to moving to the next or previous object regardless of object navigation hierarchy. For example, you can move from an object to its child, then to the object's sibling, then to the object next to its parent and what not. This was implemented to support object navigation via touchscreen gestures where you can move among objects on the screen regardless of relationship.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: Clipspeak addon

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Rui

That’s perfect, many thanks

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 08 September 2021 18:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak addon

 

Here is a version that should work...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ahmqhqbjde3gdm/clipspeak2021.1_compatible_and_translations_possible.nvda-addon?dl=1

 

You can also use other add-ons to the same purpose...


Rui Fontes

 

Às 16:41 de 08/09/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

There does not seem to be.  Even on GitHub, the original ClipSpeak code has remained unchanged since 2017.  I can't seem to find any easy way to contact the original developer, either.

Since this project is open-source someone else could take it over if the original developer cannot be reached or has made the decision to cease development.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

 


Re: The use of Docusign and NVDA

ss sarfudeen
 

Dear members,

I haven't used this tool. Can you please throw some light on how to
use Docusign to sign documents?
Your inputs are highly appreciated.

With kind regards,

Sultana

On 9/8/21, Louise Pfau <lpfau@...> wrote:
I have successfully signed documents with docusign using NVDA and Microsoft

Edge. I have not used the remote application or created documents.

Louise







Re: Clipspeak addon

Rui Fontes
 

Here is a version that should work...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ahmqhqbjde3gdm/clipspeak2021.1_compatible_and_translations_possible.nvda-addon?dl=1


You can also use other add-ons to the same purpose...


Rui Fontes


Às 16:41 de 08/09/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

There does not seem to be.  Even on GitHub, the original ClipSpeak code has remained unchanged since 2017.  I can't seem to find any easy way to contact the original developer, either.

Since this project is open-source someone else could take it over if the original developer cannot be reached or has made the decision to cease development.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Clipspeak addon

 

There does not seem to be.  Even on GitHub, the original ClipSpeak code has remained unchanged since 2017.  I can't seem to find any easy way to contact the original developer, either.

Since this project is open-source someone else could take it over if the original developer cannot be reached or has made the decision to cease development.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Recording screen using NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah, obs is very accessible.

Tc

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marco Oros
Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Recording screen using NVDA

Hello.

Do You know some software, which is accessible with NVDA to recording screen?

It'll be good, if will be accessible at for example 60%, because I need to record something on a screen.

Thank You.

best regards from Slovakia

Marco Oros


Re: NVDA documentation

David Mellor
 

The commands for prev and next within the container are in the table. The "flattened" next and prev keys, to use the terminology in the NVDA menu input gestures section are not mentioned.
They do seem to have been omitted.
David



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: 08 September 2021 11:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA documentation

Sorry, but they are...

Look for the section 5.4. Object Navigation

Then press T to go to table, and they are in lines 3 and 4...


Rui Fontes


Às 11:06 de 08/09/2021, Gene escreveu:
I just checked and when discussing object navigation, the manual doesn’t include the move to previous object and move to next object commands I gave in my last message.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA documentation
 
I don’t know what you mean by the phrase flattened view.  Are you talking about being in object review and using the commands numpad insert numpad 4 and numpad insert numpad 6?  These are desktop layout commands.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA documentation
 
Hello group,
I'm not sure who looks after the documentation so I'll post here if that's
okay.
I noticed there was nothing in the manual about the:
* Moves to the next object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
* Moves to the previous object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
Neither command have keyboard shortcuts associated with them by default.
Perhaps they got forgotten about for the manual.
Best wishes,
David






Clipspeak addon

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Is there a 2021.1 compatible version of the Clipspeak addon available?  If so, where can I find it?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


Re: NVDA documentation

 

Hi,

Quentin is the one who looks after documentation these days, and I sometimes look at user guide.

The flattened view refers to moving to the next or previous object regardless of object navigation hierarchy. For example, you can move from an object to its child, then to the object's sibling, then to the object next to its parent and what not. This was implemented to support object navigation via touchscreen gestures where you can move among objects on the screen regardless of relationship.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Unable to click the free resources link at devsecops-academy.com

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

 

Many thanks for checking. Brian, I’ll keep the # tip in mind. I did not realize that the link was a same page link.

 

I’ll see if I want to write to the web site’s administrators. Ideally I should but that is beyond the scope of this list.

 

Pranav


Re: NVDA documentation

Gene
 

I read that section before I sent my message.  I didn’t notice the commands.  They are there.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA documentation
 

Sorry, but they are...

Look for the section 5.4. Object Navigation

Then press T to go to table, and they are in lines 3 and 4...

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 11:06 de 08/09/2021, Gene escreveu:
I just checked and when discussing object navigation, the manual doesn’t include the move to previous object and move to next object commands I gave in my last message.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA documentation
 
I don’t know what you mean by the phrase flattened view.  Are you talking about being in object review and using the commands numpad insert numpad 4 and numpad insert numpad 6?  These are desktop layout commands.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA documentation
 
Hello group,
I'm not sure who looks after the documentation so I'll post here if that's
okay.
I noticed there was nothing in the manual about the:
* Moves to the next object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
* Moves to the previous object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
Neither command have keyboard shortcuts associated with them by default.
Perhaps they got forgotten about for the manual.
Best wishes,
David






Re: NVDA documentation

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry, but they are...

Look for the section 5.4. Object Navigation

Then press T to go to table, and they are in lines 3 and 4...


Rui Fontes


Às 11:06 de 08/09/2021, Gene escreveu:

I just checked and when discussing object navigation, the manual doesn’t include the move to previous object and move to next object commands I gave in my last message.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA documentation
 
I don’t know what you mean by the phrase flattened view.  Are you talking about being in object review and using the commands numpad insert numpad 4 and numpad insert numpad 6?  These are desktop layout commands.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA documentation
 
Hello group,
I'm not sure who looks after the documentation so I'll post here if that's
okay.
I noticed there was nothing in the manual about the:
* Moves to the next object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
* Moves to the previous object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
Neither command have keyboard shortcuts associated with them by default.
Perhaps they got forgotten about for the manual.
Best wishes,
David






Re: NVDA documentation

Gene
 

I just checked and when discussing object navigation, the manual doesn’t include the move to previous object and move to next object commands I gave in my last message.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA documentation
 
I don’t know what you mean by the phrase flattened view.  Are you talking about being in object review and using the commands numpad insert numpad 4 and numpad insert numpad 6?  These are desktop layout commands.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA documentation
 
Hello group,
I'm not sure who looks after the documentation so I'll post here if that's
okay.
I noticed there was nothing in the manual about the:
* Moves to the next object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
* Moves to the previous object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
Neither command have keyboard shortcuts associated with them by default.
Perhaps they got forgotten about for the manual.
Best wishes,
David






Re: NVDA documentation

Gene
 

I don’t know what you mean by the phrase flattened view.  Are you talking about being in object review and using the commands numpad insert numpad 4 and numpad insert numpad 6?  These are desktop layout commands.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA documentation
 
Hello group,
I'm not sure who looks after the documentation so I'll post here if that's
okay.
I noticed there was nothing in the manual about the:
* Moves to the next object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
* Moves to the previous object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
Neither command have keyboard shortcuts associated with them by default.
Perhaps they got forgotten about for the manual.
Best wishes,
David






Re: thunderbird selected

Gene
 

This problem has nothing to do with physically dirty keys.  It is an NVDA problem in which modifier keys may become stuck on, not physically but in the functioning of the computer.  This was discussed a number of months ago and others verified the problem. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird selected
 

I didn't restart because of the error, I turned off my system because I was going away from it.

This board does type strangely.

I keep planning to take off the caps of this gaming board, warm rince them and then wipe off the switches but never get round to it.

So this board is probably a bit dirty its never really been cleaned bar with vacuum gently since I got it so maybe its full of junk under there.

 

 

On 8/09/2021 9:48 pm, Gene wrote:
You don’t need to restart the system.  This is an NVDA problem in which certain keys get stuck on.  In future, since selecting is a function of the shift key, press each shift key quickly four times.  That should solve the problem.  the reason I said to quit NVDA, then restart it as a test is to test whether this is that NVDA problem. 
 
Also, the reason I said to press each shift four times is that, at least in earlier versions of Windows, pressing it five times would bring up a sticky keys dialog.  That is unrelated to the problem I am discussing but to keep it from coming up, press each shift four times. 
 
There may be other times when you will see other odd behavior.  At those times, pressing each control quickly a number of times, each alt a number of times, and the NVDA key a number of times should solve the problem.  Press the NVDA key, if it is the insert, an even number of times to avoid overwrite from being enabled.  If it is enabled, press it twice quickly again.
 
Gene
-----Original Message------
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird selected
 
Strangely enough after I restarted the system its not doing that anymore.



On 8/09/2021 9:02 pm, Gene wrote:
> See if the problem is the NVDA sticky key problem.  For now, quit
> NVDA, then run it again.  Does the problem still occur?
>
>
> Gene
>
> On 9/8/2021 3:16 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> Just noticed in the message body of thunderbird, whenever I read a
>> message, when viewing, nvda will say selected at the end of the end
>> of the current read line.
>>
>> I could I guess make it stop saying selected while in thunderbird
>> with an app profile but that would probably stop it saying selected
>> when I navigate history and address book and thats not what I want.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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NVDA documentation

David Mellor
 

Hello group,
I'm not sure who looks after the documentation so I'll post here if that's
okay.
I noticed there was nothing in the manual about the:
* Moves to the next object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
* Moves to the previous object in a flattened view of the object navigation
hierarchy
Neither command have keyboard shortcuts associated with them by default.
Perhaps they got forgotten about for the manual.
Best wishes,
David


Re: thunderbird selected

 

I didn't restart because of the error, I turned off my system because I was going away from it.

This board does type strangely.

I keep planning to take off the caps of this gaming board, warm rince them and then wipe off the switches but never get round to it.

So this board is probably a bit dirty its never really been cleaned bar with vacuum gently since I got it so maybe its full of junk under there.



On 8/09/2021 9:48 pm, Gene wrote:
You don’t need to restart the system.  This is an NVDA problem in which certain keys get stuck on.  In future, since selecting is a function of the shift key, press each shift key quickly four times.  That should solve the problem.  the reason I said to quit NVDA, then restart it as a test is to test whether this is that NVDA problem. 
 
Also, the reason I said to press each shift four times is that, at least in earlier versions of Windows, pressing it five times would bring up a sticky keys dialog.  That is unrelated to the problem I am discussing but to keep it from coming up, press each shift four times. 
 
There may be other times when you will see other odd behavior.  At those times, pressing each control quickly a number of times, each alt a number of times, and the NVDA key a number of times should solve the problem.  Press the NVDA key, if it is the insert, an even number of times to avoid overwrite from being enabled.  If it is enabled, press it twice quickly again.
 
Gene
-----Original Message------
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird selected
 
Strangely enough after I restarted the system its not doing that anymore.



On 8/09/2021 9:02 pm, Gene wrote:
> See if the problem is the NVDA sticky key problem.  For now, quit
> NVDA, then run it again.  Does the problem still occur?
>
>
> Gene
>
> On 9/8/2021 3:16 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> Just noticed in the message body of thunderbird, whenever I read a
>> message, when viewing, nvda will say selected at the end of the end
>> of the current read line.
>>
>> I could I guess make it stop saying selected while in thunderbird
>> with an app profile but that would probably stop it saying selected
>> when I navigate history and address book and thats not what I want.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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