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Re: jaws cursor in nvda

Dave Grossoehme
 

|Good Morning Howard:  This information was given by Joseph in more detail on winaccess@winaccess.groups.com.  I would referr this person there or the nvda email list at nvda@nvda.groups.com

Dave

On 9/5/2021 12:51 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Gene, in addition, you might include that, using the numpad in "desktop keyboared--and maybe more) pressing the read key (line, word, charactor) one more time will spell the entire target phonetically using (I hope) international phoenetics).
Howard

On 9/5/2021 9:30 AM, dennis huckle wrote:

Many thanks Jean,

Exactly what I wanted.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 05 September 2021 14:50
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] jaws cursor in nvda

You ask for a command to review the whole screen like the JAWS cursor.  Your question is not clear.  It could mean a command like control b that reads the window you are in in JAWS but that is not like the JAWS cursor.  it simply recites everything on the screen. It appears to me that you mean, is there a command to turn on something like the JAWS cursor in NVDA.

I wrote the following recently to discuss this question and I’m reproducing it here.

For screen review,, which I’ll discuss here, the thing to know is that it is similar to the JAWS cursor, but the movement keys are different.

To enter screen review, and these commands are for the default desktop layout, Use the command num;pad insert numpad 7.  At times, there is a review mode called document review that is available.  It may be available if you are working in a Word processor.  I’m not sure if it is ever available otherwise.  If you issue numpad insert numpad f7, you will hear announced what mode you are in.  If you are now in screen review mode, you will hear screen review announced.  If you try to move further, you will hear no next review mode. You usually want to be in object review and you should return to it after you work in screen review.  The command to do so is numpad insert numpad 1.  You will hear object review announced. If you try to move further, you will hear no previous review mode.  If document review is available, you will hear that as one of the options as you move.  For example, if you are in object review mode and you use numpad f7, you will hear document review.  Using the command again, you will hear screen review.  Moving back, numpad insert numpad 1, you will hear the document review, then object review.

You can play with document review.  I have hardly used it.  It limits your movement to the document window, so you won’t be in any part of the screen other than that at the top or bottom of the screen.

The movement commands in screen review are as follows:

Numpad 7.  move back one line.

Numpad 8, read current line.

Numpad 9, move down one line.

Numpad 4, move back one word.

Numpad 5, read current word.

Numpad 6, move forward one word.

Numpad 1, move back one carachter.

Numpad 2, read current character.

Numpad 3, move forward one carachter.

For numppad 8, 5, and 2, if you press numpad 8 and 5 twice quickly, they spell what they announce.  In other words, numpad 8 twice spells the current line, numpad 5 spells the current word.  If you press these keys three times quickly, they say what they announce phonetically, such as foxtrot alpha, etc.

Since numpad 1 announces the current carachter, pressing it twice announces it phonetically.  Obviously, no spell announcement is necessary because it is already announcing one single carachter.

To move to the top of the screen, use numpad shift 7.

To move to the bottom, numpad shift 9.

Gene

*From:*dennis huckle <mailto:denniswhuckle@outlook.com>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 05, 2021 5:27 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] jaws cursor in nvda

Hello all,

Is there a keystroke in nvda to review the whole screen rather like the jaws cursor?.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.





Re: VS Code with Anaconda

 

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 11:48 AM, Fawaz Abdul rahman wrote:
the programming l mailing list
-
Could you give the subscription information for this list?  That's something that's really handy to have when referring someone to another list or group.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: VS Code with Anaconda

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

Hi,
jupyter notebook extension works fine with vs code and NVDA.
I recommend discussing it in the programming l mailing list, also you can find there previous discussions on the same matter.
good luck.


Re: not constantly maintained addon and compatibility issue

Janet Brandly
 

Hi,

The Phonetic reading app is a great little program. It does work with the latest NVDA. I can't speak to the others other than to say to try them anyway, even though the description may say that they are not compatible.


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: September 9, 2021 11:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] not constantly maintained addon and compatibility issue

Joseph and all,

Thanks for all the reply.


The addon that I used to reply on and was blocked in nvda 2021.1 was as
follows:

1. EnhancedPhoneticReading

2 beepKeyboard

3 Number Processing

4 ToolbarsExplorer


Thanks


VS Code with Anaconda

Life in Six Dots
 

Does anyone use VS Code with Anaconda? I just wondered if Anaconda works well with NVDA and a braille display. This is for a python project.

 

Any help, suggestions, thoughts are most welcome.

 

Paul


Re: not constantly maintained addon and compatibility issue

 

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 01:39 AM, William wrote:
Well, I dont think what I proposed is something illogical.
-
You asked:  "Can we have a mechanism to make these addons being maintained, even if the developer ignored it or forget to update it?"

If you can't see how asking for maintenance when there's no one maintaining something is logically impossible . . .

And Joseph Lee described, in great detail, why editing manifests is, at very best, a temporary workaround.  

If a given add-on is abandoned, and no other maintainer picks up that ball and runs with it, then it is the wise course of action to find a different add-on or ask if someone else can pick it up for ongoing maintenance.  But you can't logically have something maintained and not maintained at the same time.  

I think it would be great if there were some sort of formal mechanism available for add-on developers who wish to retire from maintaining any given add-on to announce that to the development community seeking someone to take it over.  Even then, if there were no takers, that add-on is done as soon as there is a backward-compatibility-breaking release of NVDA.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Firefox download new version dialog

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Their is. Hit alt H for help and tab to the about then press enter. Next tab over to check for update or if it has already been download the button should say upgrade button.

On 9/10/2021 3:41 AM, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
Hi,

F6 would be the way to go. you may have to use it more than once depending on where you are.

If I remember correctly, there is a check for update part in the settings page.
-- Patrick


Le 10/09/2021 à 08:02, David Mellor a écrit :
Hello group,
When firefox says the following when ever a new window is opened, is there
any way I can interact with it please?
There are no menu options to check for updates and install.

alert  Update available. Download the latest version of Firefox.
Dismiss  button  Alt+m Download  button  Alt+D

Very many thanks,
David



Nvda beta - eloquence and vocalizer add on

Daniel McGee
 

hello all

During the beta cycle of a new nvda release, can the eloquence and vocalizer addon be used?

If not, is there a way, to separat the: stable release to the: beta release? So that it doesn't mess up the licensing system of the add-on.


Re: Firefox download new version dialog

Gene
 

You just think they don’t work because nothing appears to change. I don’t know what a sighted person may see, but if you want to see progress, after you issue the download command, go into the about dialog, alt h followed by a.  Then check to see if browse mode is on.  Use NVDA key space.  If it isn’t on, turn it on.  You can now move around the about page as you would any web page.  You will find a line or two near the top of the page that tells you what is going on regarding the update. 
 
As I recall, if you keep causing the line to read, it will say, after a time, something about restarting Firefox to update and you will hear a command to do so and there will be a button you can activate as well.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox download new version dialog
 
Those keys don't interact with firefox unfortunately.
I could not see any way of getting to the controls.
The f6 does work, thank you Patrick.
Clicking on the download still didn't seem to do anything but I can play around with that a bit more.
Thanks,
David
 
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: 10 September 2021 08:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox download new version dialog

You  have answered your own question!

 

Alt+M to dismiss

Alt+D to download

 

 

From: David Mellor
Sent: 10 September 2021 07:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox download new version dialog

 

Hello group,

When firefox says the following when ever a new window is opened, is there

any way I can interact with it please?

There are no menu options to check for updates and install.

 

alert  Update available. Download the latest version of Firefox.

Dismiss  button  Alt+m Download  button  Alt+D

 

Very many thanks,

David

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Firefox download new version dialog

Gene
 

The commands are announced at the end of the announcement.  Listen for such commands when you get messages like that in browsers.  I believe that in firefox, ivf you use f6, you may have to repeat it more than once, you will get to the announcement and you can hear it again.  I think you can execute the commands in the main window, or in the part of the window you are in when you get there with f6.
 
You can continue to use f6 to get back to the main part of the window.
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 1:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox download new version dialog
 
Hello group,
When firefox says the following when ever a new window is opened, is there
any way I can interact with it please?
There are no menu options to check for updates and install.

alert  Update available. Download the latest version of Firefox.
Dismiss  button  Alt+m Download  button  Alt+D

Very many thanks,
David






Re: Firefox download new version dialog

David Mellor
 

Those keys don't interact with firefox unfortunately.
I could not see any way of getting to the controls.
The f6 does work, thank you Patrick.
Clicking on the download still didn't seem to do anything but I can play around with that a bit more.
Thanks,
David
 
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: 10 September 2021 08:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox download new version dialog

You  have answered your own question!

 

Alt+M to dismiss

Alt+D to download

 

 

From: David Mellor
Sent: 10 September 2021 07:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox download new version dialog

 

Hello group,

When firefox says the following when ever a new window is opened, is there

any way I can interact with it please?

There are no menu options to check for updates and install.

 

alert  Update available. Download the latest version of Firefox.

Dismiss  button  Alt+m Download  button  Alt+D

 

Very many thanks,

David

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Firefox download new version dialog

Chris
 

You  have answered your own question!

 

Alt+M to dismiss

Alt+D to download

 

 

From: David Mellor
Sent: 10 September 2021 07:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox download new version dialog

 

Hello group,

When firefox says the following when ever a new window is opened, is there

any way I can interact with it please?

There are no menu options to check for updates and install.

 

alert  Update available. Download the latest version of Firefox.

Dismiss  button  Alt+m Download  button  Alt+D

 

Very many thanks,

David

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Firefox download new version dialog

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

F6 would be the way to go. you may have to use it more than once depending on where you are.

If I remember correctly, there is a check for update part in the settings page.
-- Patrick

Le 10/09/2021 à 08:02, David Mellor a écrit :
Hello group,
When firefox says the following when ever a new window is opened, is there
any way I can interact with it please?
There are no menu options to check for updates and install.
alert Update available. Download the latest version of Firefox.
Dismiss button Alt+m Download button Alt+D
Very many thanks,
David


Firefox download new version dialog

David Mellor
 

Hello group,
When firefox says the following when ever a new window is opened, is there
any way I can interact with it please?
There are no menu options to check for updates and install.

alert Update available. Download the latest version of Firefox.
Dismiss button Alt+m Download button Alt+D

Very many thanks,
David


Re: not constantly maintained addon and compatibility issue

William
 

Thanks, but what about addon that is not installed yet?
Fawaz Abdul rahman 於 9/9/2021 22:10 寫道:

hi,
if you have the addons installed, you just need to go to the NVDA configuration directory.
there you can find the addons folder.
In short, find the addon you want to edit the manifest file, enter the folder and edit the file using a text editor such as notepad.
good luck.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 3:55 PM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Well, do you mean rename the .addon file to .zip,

unzip it,

use text editor to open the .ini file

edit the line last tested version to thelatest nvda version

then zip the folder back to  a .zip file and rename to a .addon file?


Fawaz Abdul rahman 於 9/9/2021 17:10 寫道:

Hi,
if it is just a matter of the flag, then you can edit the manifest.ini file yourself and it should work properly.
However, if you are not sure how to do it or what to do, send the addons you have issues with, and someone may be able to help you.
good luck.


On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 8:41 AM William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:
Hello, especially for nvda developers and addon developers,


Thanks to lots of addon that enhanced my productivity.

The current situation is that, some of the addon that I am using is not
supporting the latest nvda 2021.1 and are forced to be blocked by nvda.

To my understanding, some of these addons are not really "having
compatibility issue", it is only not updated the addon file to state
that the addon is supporting the latest nvda, am i right?


Can we have a mechanism to make these addons being maintained, even

if the developer ignored it or forget to update it?


Thanks,

William








Re: not constantly maintained addon and compatibility issue

William
 

Well, I dont think what I proposed is something illogical.

As you also stated that, some addon can use  the manifest  trick to make it usable at the current version, so this is already an solution to my issue above.

Some user who do not have coding knowledge at least can help to test if a addon is working in new nvda by changing the manifest .ini, and if it is working, they can inform the community about this.

To move forward, those can also help to edit the manifest and post to the community the edited version of addon, cause not everyone may have the ability to do so.

If this is not possible, at least please make a detailed instruction to all the user if they wanna do the manifest  trick.







Brian Vogel 於 9/9/2021 22:58 寫道:

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 01:41 AM, William wrote:
Can we have a mechanism to make these addons being maintained, even if the developer ignored it or forget to update it?
-
You do realize that what you propose is a logical impossibility, don't you?

If all the necessary maintenance is amounts to doing what's proposed later, that is updating the manifest and doing testing with the current version of NVDA, then the developer (whether the original one or someone else) has updated what needs to be updated.

The problem is that there are some add-ons that have been abandoned by their original developer and have not, at least as yet, been picked up by someone else.  If and when they do, then that person or those persons will again be maintaining the add-on.

While I commend those willing to try editing the manifest files as a workaround, that's precisely what it is if no one is maintaining the actual code.  Eventually, a manifest tweak will not be enough.  Right now it is for certain add-ons, but that will not last as time marches on.  Someone else has to pick up maintenance on the code if it is to remain viable over the long term.
 
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: not constantly maintained addon and compatibility issue

William
 

Joseph and all,

Thanks for all the reply.


The addon that I used to reply on and was blocked in nvda 2021.1 was as follows:

1. EnhancedPhoneticReading

2 beepKeyboard

3 Number Processing

4 ToolbarsExplorer


Thanks


Re: not constantly maintained addon and compatibility issue

 

Hi all,

This reminds me of a message posted throughout the NVDA Community a few months ago:

While you can tell NVDA that an add-on is compatible by editing its manifest, not all add-ons will work after you do this. For example, if you think an add-on should be compatible yet is written in Python 2, it will not work because Python itself cannot run add-on modules. Most importantly, even if an add-on is written in Python 3, if it uses removed NVDA features, it will not run properly.

The amount of effort required to get an add-on supported and running well depends on how the add-on source code is structured and features in use. For example, I spent the last 24 hours just updating Clock add-on to use newer NVDA technologies and to clean up the code (time spent includes testing changes), and I plan to optimize the add-on further for speed (this takes more time to do so because it involves techniques not many add-on developers use; one such technique is Python bytecode disassembly).

At this time, I would like to suggest that you tell us names of add-ons that are not working with NVDA 2021.1, and the community will find out if updates are available or someone can maintain them. Also, if you haven't, I advise installing Add-on Updater so you can receive latest add-on updates as they become available.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA development course

 

Hi,

Ah, the devlearning subgroup? It was meant to teach folks aobut NVDA code contributions, but it is inactive now. Due to other things in life, I may not be able to resurrect it.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA development course

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi James


Joseph would be the person I think that set that group up. I just can not remember if it was for add ons and how to create them but I think it was documented.


There might be some places to look on this page at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/NVDA%20screen%20reader%20related%20resources.html <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/NVDA%20screen%20reader%20related%20resources.html>

I know there was a written tutorial by Joseph but can not seem to find it.


Maybe some of the other guides might help from off this page for add ons etc.


Gene nz

On 9/09/2021 10:51 pm, James AUSTIN wrote:
Hi gentle people

Hope everyone is well.

Back in 2019 I believe, a subgroup was created to discuss NVDA development. Would anyone by any chance please be willing to share in link to this information if it is available somewhere on the web as I am unable to find it.

Thank you

Kind regards

James



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