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Re: Mystery surrounding computer

 

As an aside, computers that have multimedia keys/smart keys/active keys can absolutely generate the equivalent of what used to be a "naked" function key, but it requires that you use Fn+ to do it.

All these multimedia setups do is flip-flop the use of the Fn key at the bottom of the keyboard.  For many decades to get an actual hardware function (or user-defined function) out of the F keys across the top of the keyboard one had to use Fn plus appropriate F key to make it happen.  In the case of multimedia keys you use the Fn key with the appropriate F key to have it interpreted as a straight F key press.

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Re: Antivirus

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Exactly the same so I rely on the windows solution almost completely and som stand alone bits that I can use if I'm mega suspiciious.
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Subject: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?




Re: panning progress bars?

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Would not this clash with the mouse beeps function?
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Subject: [nvda] panning progress bars?


Hi all. How do people feel about, along with pitch based progress bars, an
option to make them pan from left, 0, to right, 100? Any ideas?
Devin Pratersent from Gmail.


Re: Win10 file explorer list of keyboard commands

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I googled it and found there is a registry patch for it. I'm not sure if I still have it I'll look later on.
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how do you modify windows to be menu based?



On 19/09/2016 9:39 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I did modify my windows 10 to use normal menu systems though. It is much
better that way, although there are some things managed differently like
making all folders the same etc, that no longer do this in menus for
view any more.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 file explorer list of keyboard commands


Hi,
Is there a list of keyboard commands for win10 file explorer? If not,
could someone knowledgeable on the list please explain the use of
ribbons on the file explorer. Info found on the web is very visual and
not helpful.
Need a little help here!
Very much appreciated.
Blessings
Pascal

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paulius
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of
Windows 10 App Essentials

I fully agree with an audio tutoriel. I think tutoriels on text are not
so comfortable to read and understand what's covered their. So, in my
opinion, an audio tutoriel for that would be fine solution!
Sincerely,
Paulius Leveris

2016-09-17 11:41 GMT+03:00, Brian's Mail list account
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>:
I am finding a combined approach to tutorials more useful than a
totally textual or totally audio one.
Some of the complex concepts are best explained with textual
examples, while just basic descriptions are better in text.
I'm not sure how one would marry up such a presentation though.
This universal apps approach seems a new thing to me. I would
suggest that

its another buzz phrase invented by Microsoft to try to get everyone
to work

in the same way, which is no bad thing, but people who write software
often

work how they want to causing some parts of their software to work
for us,

and others not to.
Also things may be universal this year, but companies do tend to
change the goalposts quite often as we know only too well.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of
Windows 10

App Essentials


Hi everyone,



As Windows 10 is being deployed around the world and universal apps
are becoming more prominent, I thought it would be best to produce an
audio overview of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on and to talk about
what it takes to write app modules for universal apps. So I'd like to
receive feedback on the following outline:



* Title: Dive into the world of Windows 10, UIA and universal
apps

* Description: an audio tutorial providing essential information
on
Windows 10, UI Automation (UIA) and what it takes to make universal
apps accessible and create app modules for them, using Windows 10 App
Essentials add-on as a blueprint.



Topics:

1. Windows 10 overview

2. What are universal apps and a brief overview of Universal
Windows
Platform

3. A crash course on UI Automation

4. Your first app module for a UWP app

5. Scenario 1: wrong labels for controls

6. Scenario 2: locating objects

7. Scenario 3: Events and custom routines

8. Tips and recommendations to make universal apps accessible



The tutorial assumes:

1. Windows 10 versions 1511 and 1607 (I'll briefly cover version
1507).

2. Knowledge of NVDA, especially NVDA 2016 series.

3. Familiarity with object navigation.

4. Experience with creating app modules and/or working with UIA
controls are recommended.



Objectives:

1. Be able to explain the following terms: Windows 10, universal
apps,
Universal Windows Platform, Windows Store, UI Automation, app module,
object navigation.

2. Learn to advocate for accessibility of universal apps.

3. Learn to navigate and use universal apps more effectively.

4. Learn to create app modules for universal apps (if desired).

5. Understand the impact of code changes and advocacy on
accessibility
of a platform.



I'm also willing to host an online-based strategy meeting in October
regarding the above topics.



Thanks. Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph












Re: deleting something from my music drive

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Yes since last weeks windows updates old version of goldwave keeps deciding bits I've hidden will show and this stops the add on form working. Still working on this.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] deleting something from my music drive


To be honest lately I can go to say a blank folder or say open say word 2013 or 2016 and nvda will not anounce something till I tab round or alt tab out and in then it shows.
I am on a few units with issues its not done that as such on mine but one of the systems is my latest win10 workstation which does work and a 7 one which doesn't work that well.
Whenever I enter a folder it does not speak unless there is something its even doing that on my workstation so yeah I don't know why that does that.



On 20/09/2016 7:30 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I tried to delete something from my external hard drive which has my
music on it but when I hit the delete key, all I got was "progress". I
used to hear "are you sure you want to send this file to the recycle
bin" but now I don't hear it anymore. How do I get that message back?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie





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Re: Spotify

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I've noticed a certain reluctance on many sites for flash to actually be used, so I suspect this may be an ongoing problem generally, not with nvda though.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify


I use Firefox. When I re-opened the player it seemed to work, but
clicking on most things just brought me back to the top of the page.
Same thing with Internet Explorer. So far the application works
better, though still has some issues.

On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
You may be using a script blocker that is keeping flash from being seen and
running on the site. What browser or browsers are you using? I'm not sure
what accounts for the problem but to discuss it further, we need such
information. Do you use more than one browser and if so, which ones?

Gene
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From: kelby carlson
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify


The web player isn't working; it tells me I need to install flash even
though I have the latest update.

On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't know, these days, if, or to what extent spotify is accessible
using
the computer application you install. It is reasonably accessible using
the
web site. If you are logged in and play something using a browser, that
is
reasonably accessible.

You may not get as good sound that way, but the sound will be reasonably
good.

Gene


From: kelby carlson
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Spotify


Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?




Re: Mystery surrounding computer

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Its not a new idea, way back in the days of 8 bit home computers, many of the settings could be changed in exactly this way, also saving a back up copy of the original settings if you screwed it all up.
It always seemed to me that pcs were well behind on this aspect but as has been said I suppose security hacking could be a problem.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer


That sounds like a sensible idea. On the computer, have an app to maintain
something like a Bios.Ini file which refreshes the bios when you restart the
machine. No doubt there are many security implications but it could
possibly use existing screen reader technology to make it accessible.

Cheers
Chris
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui
Fontes
Sent: 20 September 2016 00:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer

The new Toshiba laptops have a more or less accessible program to set some
BIOS settings...
You must restart the laptop to changes take effect.

Rui



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De: Chris Mullins
Data: 19 de setembro de 2016 21:26
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer



I've had a quick look on the net and there are a couple of ways described
for getting into the bios on the UEFI machine but the principle of reverting

to a standard keyboard function then using the fn key to invoke smart mode
remains the same. I too know of no screen reader that can operate at the
bios level and I think it unlikely there could be, so sighted assistance
would be required to make the changes.



Cheers

Chris



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Vogel
Sent: 19 September 2016 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer





Chris,

That's a great set of instructions, but it predates UEFI. For
those who have a machine with UEFI there will be a couple of steps to get to

the BIOS function under UEFI.

I still don't know of any screen reader that operates this early
in the boot sequence, no matter if we're talking a native BIOS machine or a
newer one with UEFI. My HP laptop had the keys set for multimedia mode, but

the machine is UEFI based and that function is called SmartKeys on this
model. Now that I've turned off the SmartKeys (ActionKeys in your posted
example) I'm back to having to hit the Fn key plus the actual function key
to invoke the media function, which is just how I like it.
--
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enough to keep up.



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the Universe"



















Re: Spotify

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A brain transplant would be handy though...
I've never mastered it I have to say.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Spotify


Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?


Re: Windows Explorer

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Create a new folder shift control n
However one can reset the menus to old style but you still find the shortcut faster nonetheless.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows Explorer


In Windows 10, I'm having trouble doing a lot of things in Windows
explorer. Pressing the alt key doesn't bring up the ribbons to do
things like create a new folder. Is this an NVDA issue?


Re: Mystery surrounding computer

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Its a pity nobody makes bios update software that can do this via a dummy file on screen, then load in the changes at a restart. After all one can find bios updates for many computers and this seems to be how they all work.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer


I’ve had a quick look on the net and there are a couple of ways described for getting into the bios on the UEFI machine but the principle of reverting to a standard keyboard function then using the fn key to invoke smart mode remains the same. I too know of no screen reader that can operate at the bios level and I think it unlikely there could be, so sighted assistance would be required to make the changes.



Cheers

Chris

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Sent: 19 September 2016 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer



Chris,

That's a great set of instructions, but it predates UEFI. For those who have a machine with UEFI there will be a couple of steps to get to the BIOS function under UEFI.

I still don't know of any screen reader that operates this early in the boot sequence, no matter if we're talking a native BIOS machine or a newer one with UEFI. My HP laptop had the keys set for multimedia mode, but the machine is UEFI based and that function is called SmartKeys on this model. Now that I've turned off the SmartKeys (ActionKeys in your posted example) I'm back to having to hit the Fn key plus the actual function key to invoke the media function, which is just how I like it.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"


Re: Antivirus

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,


I tried AVG years ago and didn't like it because it interfered with speech. I use windows defender.


Rosemarie

On 9/20/2016 4:53 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io wrote:
Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?




Re: deleting something from my music drive

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Which version of windows is this? I have come across a hidden window, at least its hidden form nvda till you find it which suggests you cannot do this do you want to do it with raised priveldges. The strange thing is that alt tab does not seem to show this alert until you try to close a window down. This is on Windows 10 and does not always seem to happen either.

I also sometimes find a windo that says something like, there are x suspendied tasks, do you want to, blabla.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] deleting something from my music drive


Hi, everyone,


I tried to delete something from my external hard drive which has my music on it but when I hit the delete key, all I got was "progress". I used to hear "are you sure you want to send this file to the recycle bin" but now I don't hear it anymore. How do I get that message back?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie





Re: Antivirus

 

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 09:08 am, Gene wrote:
But I don't consider that to be license to not look for good programs.

And I consider both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender to be good programs.   The old saying, "The perfect is the enemy of the good," applies here.

To each his or her own.
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Re: Mystery surrounding computer

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One would have thought they might have put this on a key combination somewhere as we cannot be the only ones who require normal operation. what about other software that uses control keys employing alt?
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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer


Chris,

That's a great set of instructions, but it predates UEFI. For those who have a machine with UEFI there will be a couple of steps to get to the BIOS function under UEFI.

I still don't know of any screen reader that operates this early in the boot sequence, no matter if we're talking a native BIOS machine or a newer one with UEFI. My HP laptop had the keys set for multimedia mode, but the machine is UEFI based and that function is called SmartKeys on this model. Now that I've turned off the SmartKeys (ActionKeys in your posted example) I'm back to having to hit the Fn key plus the actual function key to invoke the media function, which is just how I like it.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"


Re: Antivirus

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
while I find Vipre to be reasonably accessible in terms of its installer once up and running there are areas of the program whose accessibility has taken a bit of a hit as compared with earlier versions. It’s served me well over the years and I’m still using it as I haven’t hit upon anything better that’s more accessible.
 
I’ve heard that Kaspersky gets good ratings as these programs go but sadly I’ve found that though once installed the program seems very accessible its installer is absolutely not usable with any screen reader. I took it upon myself to contact them about in hopes that perhaps they’d consider rectifying this. At least I tried.
Robin
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
 
But the less people know how to protect themselves, the more they need effective antimalware programs.  Yes, user practices are important.  But speaking of myths, there are myths about what sites are safe.  Many small sites, such as small religious sites, often don't have good security precautions and are more dangerous than sites considered dangerous such as pornography sites.  Advertising even on safe sites, may be hacked.  And what about a moment of absent-mindedness?  I am very careful about good practices but once, maybe a year ago, when I wasn't thinking carefully about what I was doing, I followed a link in an e-mail and malware was attempted to be downloaded to my machine.  My antimalware program stopped the download. 
 
Of course, as you say, bad practices endanger machines regardless of what antimalware programs someone is running.  But I don't consider that to be license to not look for good programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
 

Gene,

            I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed."   Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

            I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection.  People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections.   I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs.  Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading.  If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally).

            If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows.  Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

   

 


Re: Antivirus

Gene
 

But the less people know how to protect themselves, the more they need effective antimalware programs.  Yes, user practices are important.  But speaking of myths, there are myths about what sites are safe.  Many small sites, such as small religious sites, often don't have good security precautions and are more dangerous than sites considered dangerous such as pornography sites.  Advertising even on safe sites, may be hacked.  And what about a moment of absent-mindedness?  I am very careful about good practices but once, maybe a year ago, when I wasn't thinking carefully about what I was doing, I followed a link in an e-mail and malware was attempted to be downloaded to my machine.  My antimalware program stopped the download. 
 
Of course, as you say, bad practices endanger machines regardless of what antimalware programs someone is running.  But I don't consider that to be license to not look for good programs.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Gene,

            I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed."   Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

            I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection.  People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections.   I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs.  Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading.  If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally).

            If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows.  Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Antivirus

 

Gene,

            I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed."   Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

            I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection.  People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections.   I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs.  Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading.  If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally).

            If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows.  Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me.
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Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Antivirus

Gene
 

The resistance comes from a lot of bad publicity both programs got about a year ago as to their effectiveness.  According to what I've read recently, they have improved but they are still not considered as top programs or more than just tolerable.
 
At the time they got the bad publicity, it was contraversial whether they deserved the bad publicity and I'll let those interested look up information.  I wrote about the contraversy at the time and I don't want to go into it all again. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively.

Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs.  Both offer realtime scanning.  Both allow you to set up exclusions to scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as part of their scans.

No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all possible routes of infection.   If you've been interacting with cyberspace for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates that your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense against infection, are good.   If you're getting frequent identification of infections you definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most often this is something that comes from operator actions) that is causing this and cease and desist or eventually something will get past whatever you're using.
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Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Antivirus

 

I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively.

Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs.  Both offer realtime scanning.  Both allow you to set up exclusions to scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as part of their scans.

No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all possible routes of infection.   If you've been interacting with cyberspace for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates that your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense against infection, are good.   If you're getting frequent identification of infections you definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most often this is something that comes from operator actions) that is causing this and cease and desist or eventually something will get past whatever you're using.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Antivirus

Gene
 

It wasn't totally accessible two or three years ago, which is the older version of the program I am still using.  I haven't heard anything indicating the the program is more accessible now.  Those using the current version may wish to comment.  Based on the older version, the program is useable but not fully accessible.  And, unless you degrade the performance of the program by turning off the self-protection feature, it is completely inaccessible with NVDA.  I consider it better to use the program with a JAWS demo so that it can be used without degrading the program's performance.
 
Avast has a good reputation in terms of the effectiveness of the program among users of free antivirus software.  But, unless the program has changed, it is not fully accessible.
 
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

yes, avast is totally accessible with nvda.

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Delicata
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Avast is more or less usable with Jaws, not NVDA.

Best.

Angela from Italy




Il 20/09/2016 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
>
> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
> accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>
> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
> From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
> usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
> problems.
>
> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
> Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
> the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
> cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>
> What are your experiences in this matter?
>
>
>
>
>


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