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Re: Antivirus

Nimer Jaber
 

Yes, individuals need to use it... but that is still a better option than telling a user not to use it because inferior options that are not deadbolts work well... taking precautions is not sufficient enough to avoid security problems anymore. Sites get hijacked, home computers are regularly used in botnets... You won't change my views on terrible software, just as I won't change your mind about the benefits to using *something*, even if it isn't very good. My suggestion is to create a wiki including MSE and other recommendations that are made on list regularly, and advise users to do their own research about the quality or which one to use or not use. These are options that we know to be accessible, but we are not telling you that they will always work, and we are not making any statement or guarantee about their effectiveness. Thoughts?

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:24 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well one issue if it is any issue I have with msse though to be fair its
not happened as much as its hppened with say avg, is et an update and
suddenly lagit programs I have had no issue with suddenly are some weird
trogen.
I have excluded their folders from scanning in fact I have excluded a
lot from scanning that could be a problem.
this has included a 3gb backup folder of installers because of how slow
they get while loading otherwise.
However I do know that excluding these things is dangerous.
One of my friends on the cloud got hacked into.
And from then on everyone on several groups on the cloud got virus files.
We eventually deleted them, but I know in one case group leaders of
several groups banned everyone from using their sites and closed their
groups down and reformatted their servers and never came back because of
the trouble it caused.
So I can see why you wouldn't exclude either.
I have not as yet explored sophos.



On 21/09/2016 6:02 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> Cannot you exclude the items from defender as you could in msse? I have
> allowed a number of hacking tools to exist in 7, with msse simply by
> changing them to allow in the dialogues after they were detected, but
> I've not tried this in Defender, I'd have thought the two pieces of
> software almost idemtical.
> Brian
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io"
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> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
>
> Hi.
>
> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8
> version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to
> 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good
> antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me
> some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m
> also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>
> Cheers.
>
>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
>> <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
>> accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>
>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
>> From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
>> usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
>> problems.
>>
>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
>> Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
>> the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
>> cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>
>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Antivirus

 

I agree.
Now I do have addblock+ and I do have noscript so I do feel freer in some respects to what I do.
It doesn't mean I will tempt fate but I do know I can choose what I open.
The only issue I do have is that stuff like noscript does require you to be advanced.
Sometimes when I enter a site it will not work and I need to decide if its worth allowing it and as many sites as I can to read.
While this has not stopped the odd bit of a dodgy site hitting my system its reduced it a lot.
Even with all that I have had to shut down parts of my security so things like my wireless config profiles can run right on the extender I have.
Its not that bad but even so.
Firefox was the best choice for me by far though.
I think the first thing one needs to do is get a secure brouser.
Firefox and others mozilla and others release is based on the chrome engine.
Even though google's own implimentation of the chrome engine can be a bit bad, the chrome engine is easily hackable but if handled right most secure.
It is also quick in most cases and stable enough I don't have to pull out my beard when I use the net.
Yes it does crash but not as much as ie.
Having something mildly aggressive like ccleaner and using it to clear all your temp files before you shut down or when you end a net session helps to.
I don't mind if all sort of malware infect my computer as long as they appear in my temp files.
Every time just about I use my system I end the session with a flush of all junk folders so that does not worry me that much.
Things as simple as this usually helps with the web.
Clicking those unsafe texts and links, as well as scams and the like is your own problem not your security and for those that think that is a fool at best and a total idiot and moron at worst.
Msse is not secure, but after all its me pushing the buttons.
I have a secure brouser for the most part and keep things clear.
Email is scanned by the previder google these days.
Over that a simple adjustment keeps things happy.
The only reason I use any security is in case I miss something or something I download which isn't scanned or if I get something from a friend or another location well that can be bad.
If I service a computer not mine and even if its a family unit I don't plug my hdd into it usually.
I use a flash drive.
At the end of the day I plug it in, and do a quickformat on that drive and I can use it again.
If it dies, then an 4-8gb drive which is big enough for a service in most cases is cheap enough.

On 21/09/2016 6:07 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Yes, indeed, I found unfortunately that most malware was imported from
those come on adverts that offered other downloads. With an ad blocker
on you don't get any of that rubbish to distract you. Also if you are of
the mind to click links in emails from places you have never heard of,
then you deserve what you get.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security
Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running
Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively.

Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs.
Both offer realtime scanning. Both allow you to set up exclusions to
scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as
part of their scans.

No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all
possible routes of infection. If you've been interacting with cyberspace
for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates
that your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense
against infection, are good. If you're getting frequent identification
of infections you definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most
often this is something that comes from operator actions) that is
causing this and cease and desist or eventually something will get past
whatever you're using.


Re: Endnotes in Word

kelby carlson
 

I don't really need to buy the entire training package; most of the
features of Word carry over from JAWS to NVDA. What I'm trying to
figure out how to do is go immediately to a particular
footnote/endnote, say note 80 of a document, without having to arrow
through the entire thing.

On 8/30/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Kelby,

You didn't mention which version of Word you are using, but in recent
versions:

alt+s (to open the references ribbon)
h to "show notes'

this moves from the main part of the document to the endnote / footnote
section at the nearest note, or if in the endnote or footnote section, it
moves back to the main part of the document. If you have both endnotes and
footnotes it will ask which to go to.

There is a longer section on this and other referencing features in Word in
the upcoming Microsoft Word with NVDA which will be available from NV
Access shortly.

Regards

Quentin

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 1:35 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com>
wrote:

hello,

Is there an easy way to either (a) get a list of all of the
endnotes/footnotes in a Word document or to move from the place in the
text where there is a footnote/endnote directly to the endnote itself?




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Re: Antivirus

 

Well one issue if it is any issue I have with msse though to be fair its not happened as much as its hppened with say avg, is et an update and suddenly lagit programs I have had no issue with suddenly are some weird trogen.
I have excluded their folders from scanning in fact I have excluded a lot from scanning that could be a problem.
this has included a 3gb backup folder of installers because of how slow they get while loading otherwise.
However I do know that excluding these things is dangerous.
One of my friends on the cloud got hacked into.
And from then on everyone on several groups on the cloud got virus files.
We eventually deleted them, but I know in one case group leaders of several groups banned everyone from using their sites and closed their groups down and reformatted their servers and never came back because of the trouble it caused.
So I can see why you wouldn't exclude either.
I have not as yet explored sophos.

On 21/09/2016 6:02 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Cannot you exclude the items from defender as you could in msse? I have
allowed a number of hacking tools to exist in 7, with msse simply by
changing them to allow in the dialogues after they were detected, but
I've not tried this in Defender, I'd have thought the two pieces of
software almost idemtical.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io"
<kibayasd=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8
version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to
9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good
antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me
some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m
also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?









.


Re: Antivirus

 

What saddens me is that we as users don't need a lot of what we think is secure.
A lot of the updates are for people that click those infected links or reply to the obvious fishing emails.
The only thing I can think of is that we either are relying on our software like we rely on our spellchecking and autocorrection software and or that some of us just do whatever because its what we do.
Certainly there are some stupid people that need a good reformat and should be left to do it themselves.
On the other hand while at university I had a calculator, and a spelling checker.
There was no real reason to even bother checking my documents, the computer did it.
I didn't need to do math because the computer did it.
As my education went on I just used a machine and the work got done.
People told me my spelling was degrading but I told them to naff off.
After university, and with no prospects of mainstream work, I got a low quality word processer and a new computer.
I stopped using my calculator it being broken and I stopped using office.
Being self employed the closest I have come to wordprocessing is this email client.
The closest I have come to chatting is skype.
I use winamp for most of my audio.
I have jarte to read and where needed edit word documents like for a testing project I run in.
I have a text file to write my training gym diary and mostly I just coppy last entry because its basically the same bar satturdays and even on satturdays it changes little and I don't need a processer.
The closest I get to actual work is when filling in a form in an html document on a webpage.
Its either that, or a physical working with a computer or audio, and I have 2 field recorders and several microphones and audio packages on my workstation.
Most of what I use is online and I am unsure if I could return to an office situation previded that is that I can continue to go like this I probably won't but for now.

On 21/09/2016 4:59 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Exactly the same so I rely on the windows solution almost completely
and som stand alone bits that I can use if I'm mega suspiciious.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Walmir Schultz via Groups.io"
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?






.


Re: Spotify

 

Well according to some sources adobe is retiring flash not just the distribution links but moving to retiring flash.
With all its security issues and the rise of html5 and other tech there are those that say the writing is on the wall.
If so that is interesting.
Flash is not used to much I know some games I have are shockwave based.
But I also know that flash is still used for a lot of audio playback on some sites.
Now in a few cases this can be bypassed and if you have vlc, at least in firefox that can work for you a little.
However the fact is flash may be gotten for now after the end of this month from flash's own website.
You need to be on your toes with the issues with flash and their unwanted software.
In the back of my mind, I have thought about it, and I wander if the nvda community could get a free enterprise licence for the flash distribution.
It would mean though someone would have to download the right files then reupload them to another source though.
In the grand scheme of things, it may not even matter bar us old timers on 7 and that won't last for ever.
Win10 has its own version.
For us with firefox we can install it for now but mozilla has dumbed down its use.
Chrome has blocked and will bann flash entirely if it hasn't allready and is using the new html tech.
Reguardless of what adobe has stated in the past, flash will go away.
For those that need it, I suggest you get it now while you can.
I do wander what will happen to it though codecguide which is where I get the current links well.
Even though it is now insecure and a pile of crap now, I can remember the time when it was the backbone of the poor mans dialup internet not to long ago, about 5 maybe 7 years ago flash was king.
And it stayed that way till the end of xp lifecycle.
Reguardless of what it is now, its death will mean the end of the early internet era as we know it.
Its been one of the first technologies released with the net and it appears that it may be one of the last to go with the old net.
Flash was designed for dialup mainly at the start and dialup is gone.
We have progressed a long way from where flash was actually needed.
Shockwave isn't even updated at least the stand alone program isn't you need shockwave for offline swf content mainly and some online content.
With the rise of html5 and also universal apps it may soon get the chop to.
Though a pile of crappyness its one of the technologies I will be sad to see die none the less.
Along with windows 9x, early dos, win xp, and the 56kbps and lower modems, printer, external moniter, serial cables ports etc.
The net is a lot different, even standard bios is dead now.

On 21/09/2016 4:53 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I've noticed a certain reluctance on many sites for flash to actually
be used, so I suspect this may be an ongoing problem generally, not with
nvda though.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify


I use Firefox. When I re-opened the player it seemed to work, but
clicking on most things just brought me back to the top of the page.
Same thing with Internet Explorer. So far the application works
better, though still has some issues.

On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
You may be using a script blocker that is keeping flash from being
seen and
running on the site. What browser or browsers are you using? I'm
not sure
what accounts for the problem but to discuss it further, we need such
information. Do you use more than one browser and if so, which ones?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: kelby carlson
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify


The web player isn't working; it tells me I need to install flash even
though I have the latest update.

On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't know, these days, if, or to what extent spotify is accessible
using
the computer application you install. It is reasonably accessible
using
the
web site. If you are logged in and play something using a browser,
that
is
reasonably accessible.

You may not get as good sound that way, but the sound will be
reasonably
good.

Gene


From: kelby carlson
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Spotify


Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?







Re: getting rid of the are you sure you want to send message in thunderbird:

 

Kenny,

           Thunderbird Tools Menu, Options item, Composition tab, General "sub-tab", uncheck the "Confirm when using keyboard shortcut to send message" checkbox.
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         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



getting rid of the are you sure you want to send message in thunderbird:

Kenny Peyatt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...>
 

Hi I am using mozilla thunderbird, and every time I go to press control plus enter: I get the message asking if I am ready to send this message. How do I get rid of this message?

Kenny Peyatt jr.


Re: Antivirus

 

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:43 am, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Fact is, most burglars walk right in the front door. Doesn't mean that I should rely on a poorly constructed door with a cheap lock though... I still want my deadbolt.

They most often walk through *unlocked* front doors - if you want to carry this analogy through completely.  A deadbolt doesn't do you one darned bit of good if you don't use it.  Therein lies the problem, operator indifference.


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Brian

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Re: panning progress bars?

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

I tend to agree. I've also ran into situations where the beeps didn't seem to work as they should, either having a strange popping noise along with the sound or for the shorter progress bars, having a bunch of beeps almost all at once. Had these sounds gone from left to right, I can only imagine how headspinning it would have been. Guess it's why I'd much rather have the tts announce a percentage, much easier on my ears, I think.
Take care.
Chris Mullins wrote:


Personally, I tend to only use a single earpiece in order to keep the other ear on what is going on around me, so it could be potentially a volume fade/increase situation depending on which ear I was using. It also presupposes I put the correct earbud in the correct ear, which is luck rather than judgement. Regular percentage complete announcements are preferable for me.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Devin Prater
*Sent:* 20 September 2016 09:52
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] panning progress bars?

Hi all. How do people feel about, along with pitch based progress bars, an option to make them pan from left, 0, to right, 100? Any ideas?

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.


Re: Antivirus

Nimer Jaber
 

Fact is, most burglars walk right in the front door. Doesn't mean that I should rely on a poorly constructed door with a cheap lock though... I still want my deadbolt.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:24 am, Nimer Jaber wrote:
I, unfortunately, cannot recommend Microsoft to protect from viruses. Reviews have been middling at best, and I have seen users get issues when running that.

 And I have seen users get issues when running virtually any product you can name.  The fact is that most, not all, but most, infections are the direct result of user actions.  This is true regardless of the antivirus, antimalware, or security suite product in use.


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         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Antivirus

 

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:24 am, Nimer Jaber wrote:
I, unfortunately, cannot recommend Microsoft to protect from viruses. Reviews have been middling at best, and I have seen users get issues when running that.

 And I have seen users get issues when running virtually any product you can name.  The fact is that most, not all, but most, infections are the direct result of user actions.  This is true regardless of the antivirus, antimalware, or security suite product in use.


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I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Antivirus

 

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:07 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
With an ad blocker on you don't get any of that rubbish to distract you. Also if you are of the mind to click links in emails from places you have never heard of, then you deserve what you get.

The first thing I install is an Ad Blocker for the web browsers that someone might be using and show them how to disable it for a single site or single page since there are rare occasions when this might be necessary.   It is my personal feeling that ad blocking is absolutely essential for screen reader users who are using the web on a routine basis to do things like research.  If one is going to newspaper websites, for example, there are times when at least 25-40% of the objects displayed on a given page are ads.  It's hard enough trying to slog through information and filter out what's irrelevant without having to deal with this, too.  I hasten to say that the same applies for many sighted people, myself included, who are easily visually distractible.  I don't need or want all the blinking, flashing, scrolling and otherwise "visually live" garbage that many ads use and that I have to try to ignore.

            And, in this day and age and with as many news stories have been broadcast about e-mail infection techniques and phone calls out of the blue claiming that you, for any you, have an infection and the caller wants to take remote control of your computer, I've developed zero sympathy for those who should be sophisticated users who have years of experience (life and on the computer) falling for this stuff.   It's no secret that it's done, just like the cold calls claiming to be from the IRS and asking for money.  With the rarest of exceptions, and those do exist, it's a matter of "Use your head, this doesn't pass the sniff test from a mile away!!"
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         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Antivirus

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

I, unfortunately, cannot recommend Microsoft to protect from viruses. Reviews have been middling at best, and I have seen users get issues when running that.

Personally, I use Sophos Home. It is cloud-based, and works great. It also has a good web filter. It allows a user to manage up to I believe ten PC's for no cost. I trust them as they are know in the enterprise space for delivering good security solutions.

I am considering enabling the wicki feature for our group. I think it would be good to include some of the most common questions in an FAQ. This would allow us to point users to that article instead of hashing out our views on MSE or Windows Defender.

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:11 PM Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes indeed, most even old outlook Express has a tick box for not letting you
access certain content. if you turn this off, you are going to have to be
more careful, and I am.
 Its always a trade off between ease of use and safety. the best safety is
thinking of what you are going to do and taking a sensible decision. Luckily
I have some clunker machines I can isolate from the network if I really want
to go to some of the murkier corners of the web.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Gene,

I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and
Windows Defender have been "dissed." Even without questioning the
motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the
best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection.
People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections. I
have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and
personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best"
antivirus and/or security suite programs. Your best offense against
infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where
you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading. If whatever
program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly
of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can
even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the
generic "you," not you, personally).

If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as
accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows. Having
the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the
practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion
if you ask me.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the
Universe"





Re: Antivirus

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Yes indeed, most even old outlook Express has a tick box for not letting you access certain content. if you turn this off, you are going to have to be more careful, and I am.
Its always a trade off between ease of use and safety. the best safety is thinking of what you are going to do and taking a sensible decision. Luckily I have some clunker machines I can isolate from the network if I really want to go to some of the murkier corners of the web.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Gene,

I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed." Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection. People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections. I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs. Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading. If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally).

If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows. Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me.
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Re: Antivirus

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Yes, indeed, I found unfortunately that most malware was imported from those come on adverts that offered other downloads. With an ad blocker on you don't get any of that rubbish to distract you. Also if you are of the mind to click links in emails from places you have never heard of, then you deserve what you get.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively.

Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs. Both offer realtime scanning. Both allow you to set up exclusions to scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as part of their scans.

No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all possible routes of infection. If you've been interacting with cyberspace for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates that your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense against infection, are good. If you're getting frequent identification of infections you definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most often this is something that comes from operator actions) that is causing this and cease and desist or eventually something will get past whatever you're using.
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Re: Antivirus

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Might be worth mentioning this in a ticket for nvda then.
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From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Avast is more or less usable with Jaws, not NVDA.

Best.

Angela from Italy




Il 20/09/2016 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io ha scritto:
Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?





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Re: Antivirus

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Cannot you exclude the items from defender as you could in msse? I have allowed a number of hacking tools to exist in 7, with msse simply by changing them to allow in the dialogues after they were detected, but I've not tried this in Defender, I'd have thought the two pieces of software almost idemtical.
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From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io" <kibayasd=yahoo.com@groups.io>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?





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As an aside, computers that have multimedia keys/smart keys/active keys can absolutely generate the equivalent of what used to be a "naked" function key, but it requires that you use Fn+ to do it.

All these multimedia setups do is flip-flop the use of the Fn key at the bottom of the keyboard.  For many decades to get an actual hardware function (or user-defined function) out of the F keys across the top of the keyboard one had to use Fn plus appropriate F key to make it happen.  In the case of multimedia keys you use the Fn key with the appropriate F key to have it interpreted as a straight F key press.

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Re: Antivirus

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Exactly the same so I rely on the windows solution almost completely and som stand alone bits that I can use if I'm mega suspiciious.
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From: "Walmir Schultz via Groups.io" <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?