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Re: Audio ducking not supported?

 

Well I don't see any real problem to be honest.

Windows 10 21h2 will be hear quite soon within a month in fact as will windows 11.

So I am unsure if its worth fixing especially since just about everyone will be able to get one or the other unless it is in fact an easy fix.

Its certainly not worth rereleasing the entire nvda package though in my opinion especialoly since its happening in a system soon to be updated.

Its already mid october, its barely a few weeks.

On 17/09/2021 9:49 pm, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:
Hi,
apparently, this issue exists with NVDA 2021.2 with Windows versions
below 21h2. I also recieved two reports from persons running 21h1 on
their computers, that they cannot use audio ducking feature, too.


Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Gene
 

Since you hear the sounds when add-ons are disabled, I don’t know what in NVDA might cause the problem.  It should make no such sounds in itself.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off
 
Hi Jackie: Yes, it happens when NVDA speech mode is off. If I exit and close NVDA, then no, I don't hear the beep sounds. I'm certain this is an NVDA issue. I was hoping someone else experienced it personally and had a solution. The "solution" at the moment is to just exit NVDA completely, but then, that's a little inconvenient when I am writing code and trying to test for accessibility. After all, it's a lot faster to have NVDA on, and be able to toggle easily between speech mode ON and OFF.


Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Gene
 

You can test further by using something else like Narrator and seeing if you hear the sounds.
 
Gene
 

Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off
 
Yes, I hear the beeps with and without the add-ons. I disabled the add-on and started NVDA and still heard the beeps.


Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Gene
 

This doesn’t sound like an NVDA problem.  I’m not sure what would cause the behavior.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off
 
Yes, I hear the beeps with and without the add-ons. I disabled the add-on and started NVDA and still heard the beeps.


Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

ksaeteurn@...
 

Hi Jackie: Yes, it happens when NVDA speech mode is off. If I exit and close NVDA, then no, I don't hear the beep sounds. I'm certain this is an NVDA issue. I was hoping someone else experienced it personally and had a solution. The "solution" at the moment is to just exit NVDA completely, but then, that's a little inconvenient when I am writing code and trying to test for accessibility. After all, it's a lot faster to have NVDA on, and be able to toggle easily between speech mode ON and OFF.


Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

ksaeteurn@...
 
Edited

Hi Gene: Yes, I hear the beeps with and without the add-ons. I disabled the add-on and started NVDA and still heard the beeps.


Re: Nvda beta - eloquence and vocalizer add on

Daniel McGee
 

Dear David and Quentin.

Thank you both very much for your information. It was most informative and detailed. I do have one further question. 

Now that NVDA 2021.2 has been released, would it be advisable to, deactivate the add-on, update NVDA then reactivate the add-on again. Or is this unnecessary. Just do a  straight update from the previous  release of NVDA.   u   13 Sep 2021, at 06:44, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


The only time it won't work is if the new release is a compatibility breaking release, like NVDA 2021.1 was.  We don't do such a release every year, but if we do, it will be the first release of the year.  Most importantly, if we do, we'll be sure to publicise it well in advance, as we have done previously - both here in the group, on our social media (Twitter and Facebook) and in our In-Process blog: https://www.nvaccess.org/category/in-process/

If you do attempt to install a new version which is incompatible with your existing add-ons, it will warn you of this and which add-ons are incompatible, before you update, and at that point you can decide to continue and disable those add-ons, or cancel and not go ahead with the update.  Another option, is to create a portable version.  A portable version lets you separate, as you suggested - your two versions of NVDA so you can keep using older add-ons if needed until they are updated to work with a new version of NVDA.  There are a couple of caveats to using a portable copy, such as not being able to run it on the logon screen, and these are outlined in the user guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#PortableAndTemporaryCopyRestrictions

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 7:55 AM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:
I've used the Eloquence/Vocalizer addon with beta and RC builds with no difficulties. Of course, this assumes that you're not working with a beta which breaks compatibility with the addon.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel McGee
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda beta - eloquence and vocalizer add on

 hello all

During the beta cycle of a new nvda release, can the eloquence and vocalizer addon be used?

If not, is there a way, to separat the: stable release to the: beta release? So that it doesn't mess up the licensing system of the add-on.











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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Jackie
 

Does it happen when NVDA is off? If you need speech to test this, turn
on Narrator. It may be that system sounds are being activated on
certain events.

On 9/17/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I think there is some sort of sounds add-on. I’ve seen it discussed when
this problem has been discussed before. Do you have this problem when you
start NVDA with all add-ons disabled? If you don’t know how, we can tell
you. That is the first thing to test unless you know you have the add-on
I’m talking about. We need to know if NVDA has anything to do with this
problem in the first place.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: ksaeteurn@jellybelly.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 4:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Hello,

I've looked through NVDA's preferences and various settings, and have done a
search in this forum, but I haven't found any information about how to
resolve this issue.

The problem is, when I have speech mode off, I still hear beeping sounds
whenever I click on new windows/programs/tabs that I have on my desktop.

For example:
I have speech mode off. I'm on Mozilla Firefox on one monitor, and then I
click on my Atom Text Editor in my second monitor, and I hear the beep right
after the click.
Also, clicking on different tabs, whether on my browser, or my text editor,
sets off this beep as well.
All of this happens even though I have speech mode off.

Does anyone else have this issue? And can anyone tell me how I can make the
beeping sounds go away? I have no need for it. All I need is the speech mode
on/off.

I thought perhaps installing this plugin would do the trick, but all it does
is eliminate the beep option for when you toggle with "Insert + s" (i.e.
with the add on, you can just toggle between speech mode on and off), it
doesn't actually eliminate the beeps I still hear when speech mode is off.

Any help would be great. Thank you kindly.





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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Gene
 

I think there is some sort of sounds add-on.  I’ve seen it discussed when this problem has been discussed before.  Do you have this problem when you start NVDA with all add-ons disabled?  If you don’t know how, we can tell you.  That is the first thing to test unless you know you have the add-on I’m talking about.  We need to know if NVDA has anything to do with this problem in the first place.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 4:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off
 
Hello,

I've looked through NVDA's preferences and various settings, and have done a search in this forum, but I haven't found any information about how to resolve this issue.

The problem is, when I have speech mode off, I still hear beeping sounds whenever I click on new windows/programs/tabs that I have on my desktop.

For example:
I have speech mode off. I'm on Mozilla Firefox on one monitor, and then I click on my Atom Text Editor in my second monitor, and I hear the beep right after the click.
Also, clicking on different tabs, whether on my browser, or my text editor, sets off this beep as well.
All of this happens even though I have speech mode off.

Does anyone else have this issue? And can anyone tell me how I can make the beeping sounds go away? I have no need for it. All I need is the speech mode on/off.

I thought perhaps installing this plugin would do the trick, but all it does is eliminate the beep option for when you toggle with "Insert + s" (i.e. with the add on, you can just toggle between speech mode on and off), it doesn't actually eliminate the beeps I still hear when speech mode is off.

Any help would be great. Thank you kindly.


How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

ksaeteurn@...
 

Hello,

I've looked through NVDA's preferences and various settings, and have done a search in this forum, but I haven't found any information about how to resolve this issue.

The problem is, when I have speech mode off, I still hear beeping sounds whenever I click on new windows/programs/tabs that I have on my desktop.

For example:
I have speech mode off. I'm on Mozilla Firefox on one monitor, and then I click on my Atom Text Editor in my second monitor, and I hear the beep right after the click.
Also, clicking on different tabs, whether on my browser, or my text editor, sets off this beep as well.
All of this happens even though I have speech mode off.

Does anyone else have this issue? And can anyone tell me how I can make the beeping sounds go away? I have no need for it. All I need is the speech mode on/off.

I thought perhaps installing this plugin would do the trick, but all it does is eliminate the beep option for when you toggle with "Insert + s" (i.e. with the add on, you can just toggle between speech mode on and off), it doesn't actually eliminate the beeps I still hear when speech mode is off.

Any help would be great. Thank you kindly.


Re: Is there any way to stop NVDA from announcing chat list Treeview level one more options before a new Microsoft teams message

Christopher Duffley
 

Could you try using Focus Mode and the arrow keys? Maybe that'll do the trick?
 
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Is there any way to stop NVDA from announcing chat list Treeview level one more options before a new Microsoft teams message

Khalid Anwar
 

Hi,
I’m using the Microsoft teams app and when I checked to see all the new messages I received, before reading the actual message, NVDA will announce chat list treeview more options clickable et cetera beforehand,
Is there a way to stop it from doing this or to move this information to after the message is read?


Re: Issues with number presentation and beeps

Curtis Delzer
 

nance, write to me privately I've a solution for ya.

On 9/17/2021 7:52 AM, Nancy Shackelford wrote:
I would, but my choices are quite limited, and I definitely can't
understand even the English voice for E speak, so I'll figure
something out. Was trying to wait till the 3rd to get the 95-dollar
Elloquence. Think I'll take Chris's suggestion to address the sounds
problem and to be better able to tell when it's in which mode by
setting it to use speech for this.
Thanks,
Nance
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Re: Issues with number presentation and beeps

 

Nancy,

Can you give some specific examples of various numbers and how you would like for each to be read?

As others have noted, how numbers get read is very much dependent on the synthesizer in use.  But, you can also play a lot of useful tricks with the dictionary (or dictionaries) on an as-needed basis for some constrained set of numbers (as in if it's no greater than ten thousand) with regular expressions that would allow you to parse a given number that is two through five digits into its component digits when reading it.  It's just impossible to do for something "of unknown, generic length."  There would also be the issue of whether you want the same for numbers with decimal points, which is another thing that can be done.
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Re: Issues with number presentation and beeps

Gene
 

Regarding Eloquence, I would say to try the demo if you plan to buy it.  It would be a good idea to make sure numbers are read as you wish and that the product performs in general as you wish.  It probably will but its best to make sure.   I expect you would do this.  I’m just stating it so I’ve made the suggestion and I won’t feel as though I’ve left something out.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with number presentation and beeps
 
I'm getting the picture now, and the synthesizer is Microsoft Speech
API version 5.
Nance

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Re: Audio ducking not supported?

Andre Fisher
 

It's quite strange, but again, I'm glad that others have confirmed it does happen.


Re: Issues with number presentation and beeps

Nancy Shackelford
 

I would, but my choices are quite limited, and I definitely can't
understand even the English voice for E speak, so I'll figure
something out. Was trying to wait till the 3rd to get the 95-dollar
Elloquence. Think I'll take Chris's suggestion to address the sounds
problem and to be better able to tell when it's in which mode by
setting it to use speech for this.
Thanks,
Nance
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Re: Issues with number presentation and beeps

Rui Fontes
 

6 6 5 is possible with an add-on:

https://nvda.es/files/get.php?file=numberprocessing


Rui Fontes


Às 14:54 de 17/09/2021, Nancy Shackelford escreveu:

Rui said: And do you want it to say: six six five?

6 6 5 or 6 hundred 65, just without the and.

Nance


Re: Audio ducking not supported?

Roger Stewart
 

I'm using latest NVDA and Win 10 21H1 Home 64 bit and I have no problems at all with audio ducking.

Roger

On 9/17/2021 4:49 AM, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:
Hi,
apparently, this issue exists with NVDA 2021.2 with Windows versions
below 21h2. I also recieved two reports from persons running 21h1 on
their computers, that they cannot use audio ducking feature, too.


Re: Issues with number presentation and beeps

Nancy Shackelford
 

Rui said: And do you want it to say: six six five?

6 6 5 or 6 hundred 65, just without the and.

Nance
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