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locked Re: regarding adding my voice as an variant of nvda

 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 09:15 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
You didn’t look too hard in this instance.
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I'll freely admit I didn't:

1.  Because it's not NVDA related in any meaningful sense.

2.  I cannot think of anything more annoying, to myself (others will differ), than listening to my own voice come out of a synth.  I don't even like hearing myself on recordings.  The idea of "me talking to me" from a screen reader - No, thanks.

Brian
 
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locked Re: regarding adding my voice as an variant of nvda

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

You didn’t look too hard in this instance. 😊

 

https://mov.acapela-group.com/

 

Apparently, you can produce your own voice with the Acapela synth, then get it as a SAPI voice, so it would be quite possible to have your own voice with NVDA.

 

I don’t know costs or anything, but it is certainly possible.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 15 September 2021 17:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] regarding adding my voice as an variant of nvda

 

Udit,

Not that I am aware of.   Are you trying to get NVDA to pronounce your name correctly?   If so, it would probably be easier to do that by playing with the default dictionary, or, if you use various voices that "screw up" your name differently, the respective voice dictionaries, to get a substitution string used that actually gets pronounced correctly.

I'm doing a SWAG here, but you could have it say Udit as something like You dit or You deet or Ooh dit or Ooh deet.  I've had to play with all sorts of tricks to get various synths to pronounce names correctly.
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Re: point to consider with NVDA2021.2 and eSpeak

Steve Nutt
 

It doesn’t sound anything like Eloquence to be honest.

 

It is more responsive with NVDA than any flavour of Eloquence, but nowhere near as easy to listen to.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: 15 September 2021 17:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] point to consider with NVDA2021.2 and eSpeak

 

Interesting. I like a slightly lower pitch value. That does get things a little closer to sounding like Eloquence though. (grin)

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: September 15, 2021 11:57 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] point to consider with NVDA2021.2 and eSpeak

 

Well I did some experimenting with NVDA 2021.2 since its Espeak has been updated. I found if I set the voice to English American, the variant to Edward, raise the pitch to around 70, lower the inflection from 75, default, down to 30 or 40, Espeak for me is much more pleasant to listen to. And it is much more understandable at least for me.

 

Josh

 

 

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Re: settings for Adobe

Gene
 

What browser are you using?  Many people use browsers to read PDF files. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] settings for Adobe
 
Good Aftaernoon:  Is Adobe the best program for reading PDF files?  If
not, what are others using to read a PDF with, instead of Adobe dc reader?

Dave G


On 9/16/2021 4:47 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
> Edit menu, Accessibility preferences, or something like that.
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> Às 23:33 de 16/09/2021, Dave Grossoehme escreveu:
>> Hi How does a person go into the settings for adobe to make sure it
>> is set to read the whole page or read right to left in Adobe with
>> NVDA.  This is when the application of Adobe Reader D. C. is already
>> installed in a Windows 10 computer.  I can find the help where it
>> tells me what to do. However, can't find it when trying to check this
>> and a file is opened you don't get this.  Has something changed for
>> NVDA 2021.2 or is this a bug in NVDA? Please help.
>>
>> Dave
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Re: settings for Adobe

Gene
 

This message doesn’t seem to have reached the list.  I’m sending it again.
 
What browser are you using?  Many people use browsers to read PDF files. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] settings for Adobe
 
Good Aftaernoon:  Is Adobe the best program for reading PDF files?  If
not, what are others using to read a PDF with, instead of Adobe dc reader?

Dave G


On 9/16/2021 4:47 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
> Edit menu, Accessibility preferences, or something like that.
>
>
> Rui Fontes
>
>
> Às 23:33 de 16/09/2021, Dave Grossoehme escreveu:
>> Hi How does a person go into the settings for adobe to make sure it
>> is set to read the whole page or read right to left in Adobe with
>> NVDA.  This is when the application of Adobe Reader D. C. is already
>> installed in a Windows 10 computer.  I can find the help where it
>> tells me what to do. However, can't find it when trying to check this
>> and a file is opened you don't get this.  Has something changed for
>> NVDA 2021.2 or is this a bug in NVDA? Please help.
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>> Dave
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Re: Cannot write much of anything on Facebook without bringing up the feature to tag individuals

 

I also use m.facebook.com, since it worked the best for me. If I need to do anything fancy with my post, I'll just do it from the iOS app.


Re: settings for Adobe

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Aftaernoon:  Is Adobe the best program for reading PDF files?  If not, what are others using to read a PDF with, instead of Adobe dc reader?

Dave G

On 9/16/2021 4:47 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Edit menu, Accessibility preferences, or something like that.


Rui Fontes


Às 23:33 de 16/09/2021, Dave Grossoehme escreveu:
Hi How does a person go into the settings for adobe to make sure it is set to read the whole page or read right to left in Adobe with NVDA.  This is when the application of Adobe Reader D. C. is already installed in a Windows 10 computer.  I can find the help where it tells me what to do. However, can't find it when trying to check this and a file is opened you don't get this.  Has something changed for NVDA 2021.2 or is this a bug in NVDA? Please help.

Dave









Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Gene
 

I can’t comment on the desktop sounds.  It also isn’t clear if the user uses some sight.  If you use sleep in whatever program you are in, you won’t be able to use the screen-reader at all, yet the person didn’t comment on that. 
 
In terms of the browser, from what the person wrote in recent messages, the problem is that the person is hearing the sounds that the browser makes by default when automatically switching between browse mode and focus mode as you move through a web page and come to certain structures. 
 
Sleep mode would stop these sounds, if done in such a way that it is on while the browser is running because NVDA is completely inactive.  But then you wouldn’t have browse mode and you wouldn’t have any screen-reader information so you wouldn’t use the browser in the first place unless you were using sight to move around the web page.  Perhaps the person has enough site for navigation but not enough for comfortable extended reading.  There is too much we don’t know about how the person uses NVDA, but, we now know  that the person didn’t want to hear the change sounds.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off
 
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 02:34 PM, Gene wrote:
Sleep mode is a red herring.  It has nothing to do with the issue.
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Then, Gene, please do elaborate on what you see as "the issue."

It wasn't perfectly clear at the outset, and the original poster did say, much later, that sleep mode was silencing everything, which is what I thought he wanted based on, "The problem is, when I have speech mode off, I still hear beeping sounds whenever I click on new windows/programs/tabs that I have on my desktop."

It's pretty clear now that all he wanted to do was to eliminate the two sounds NVDA uses to signal the switch between browse and focus modes because he found them very annoying.  That has been achieved, by unchecking the setting noted.

The original poster does not seem, from anything said in this topic, to have any confusion about what browse and focus mode are or how they behave.
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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

 

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 02:34 PM, Gene wrote:
Sleep mode is a red herring.  It has nothing to do with the issue. 
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Then, Gene, please do elaborate on what you see as "the issue."

It wasn't perfectly clear at the outset, and the original poster did say, much later, that sleep mode was silencing everything, which is what I thought he wanted based on, "The problem is, when I have speech mode off, I still hear beeping sounds whenever I click on new windows/programs/tabs that I have on my desktop."

It's pretty clear now that all he wanted to do was to eliminate the two sounds NVDA uses to signal the switch between browse and focus modes because he found them very annoying.  That has been achieved, by unchecking the setting noted.

The original poster does not seem, from anything said in this topic, to have any confusion about what browse and focus mode are or how they behave.
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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Gene
 

It is important to understand when and why the browser is switching between browse mode and forms mode.  It is important to read the information in the user guide about browsing.  The web page isn’t changing.  the screen-reader is automatically switching modes. 
 
Sleep mode is a red herring.  It has nothing to do with the issue. 
 
You should also be able to get information about browsing with NVDA in various tutorials and training materials.  But if you don’t get this information, you may have ongoing confusion.
 
Do you know how to work with the user guide?  I won’t go into where the information is is this message.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off
 
@Brian, thank you for looking into this in depth for me. I'm new to NVDA, so I appreciate the help.

Perhaps you are correct. Some of these issues might be specific to my machine. I'm not sure.

Regarding enabling Sleep Mode, I tested it once more by putting everything back to the default settings, including re-selecting "Audio indication of focus and browse modes". You were right. There is a "global suspend" option that eliminates the beeping sounds entirely when both Speech Mode is On and Sleep Mode is On. In other words, with Speech and Sleep Modes On, I don't hear those beeping sounds. However, the beeping sounds still occur when Speech Mode is On and Sleep Mode is Off. The beeps occur when I navigate through elements on a page (either with my tab key or mouse). The beep will sound just before NVDA starts reading stuff.

Ultimately the solution for me is to unselect that "Audio indication..." setting to get NVDA to fit my needs (the beeps literally hurts my ears).


Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

 

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 01:18 PM, <ksaeteurn@...> wrote:
Ultimately the solution for me is to unselect that "Audio indication..." setting to get NVDA to fit my needs (the beeps literally hurts my ears).
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I could have sworn that the sounds used were somehow "tweakable" but I'm not finding anything in the User Manual.

In any case, NVDA will just speak the mode it's transitioned into as those transitions occur.

 
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Re: Cannot write much of anything on Facebook without bringing up the feature to tag individuals

Jackie
 

Chris S, that *actually appears S, that *actually seems to work! I'd
heard of m.facebook.com, which did not solve the problem, but not this
address.

Sorry for answering this post, Nimer & Brian--it will be my last on
the topic--but it's been a severe limitation in my using FB, &, though
I doubt I'll like it any better, this alleviated at least some of the
discomfort of using it when necessity dictates.

On 9/20/21, Pawel Urbanski <pawel@e-urbanski.com> wrote:
Just so you know... I addressed many bugs with solutions including rough
code to Facebook.
I reached to my connections working there at different levels and
departments. I know that htey passed my feedback on, but nobody has ever
got in touch despite my offer to spend some time on resolution...





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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

ksaeteurn@...
 

@Brian, thank you for looking into this in depth for me. I'm new to NVDA, so I appreciate the help.

Perhaps you are correct. Some of these issues might be specific to my machine. I'm not sure.

Regarding enabling Sleep Mode, I tested it once more by putting everything back to the default settings, including re-selecting "Audio indication of focus and browse modes". You were right. There is a "global suspend" option that eliminates the beeping sounds entirely when both Speech Mode is On and Sleep Mode is On. In other words, with Speech and Sleep Modes On, I don't hear those beeping sounds. However, the beeping sounds still occur when Speech Mode is On and Sleep Mode is Off. The beeps occur when I navigate through elements on a page (either with my tab key or mouse). The beep will sound just before NVDA starts reading stuff.

Ultimately the solution for me is to unselect that "Audio indication..." setting to get NVDA to fit my needs (the beeps literally hurts my ears).


Re: Cannot write much of anything on Facebook without bringing up the feature to tag individuals

Pawel Urbanski
 

Just so you know... I addressed many bugs with solutions including rough code to Facebook.
I reached to my connections working there at different levels and departments. I know that htey passed my feedback on, but nobody has ever got in touch despite my offer to spend some time on resolution...


Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Sarah k Alawami
 

No there is not, sleep mode is what you would be looking for int is case.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

 

A correction, the documentation says of sleep mode:  "sleep mode disables all NVDA commands and speech/braille output for the current application."

That "for the current application" proviso is something I just glossed over.  I also glossed over "speech/braille output," as that doesn't include other audio output, at least as stated.

Sleep mode seems to be a sort of temporary application profile only for the application that NVDA is running over at the moment you invoke it.

I could have sworn that there was, for lack of a better way of putting it, a "global suspend" command for NVDA where it continues to run, but does absolutely nothing while suspended.  But if there is I haven't found it with a quick search.
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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

 

A correction, the documentation says of sleep mode:  "sleep mode disables all NVDA commands and speech/braille output for the current application."

That "for the current application" proviso is something I just glossed over.  I also glossed over "speech/braille output," as that doesn't include other audio output, at least as stated.

Sleep mode seems to be a sort of temporary application profile only for the application that NVDA is running over at the moment you invoke it.

I could have sworn that there was, for lack of a better way of putting it, a "global suspend" command for NVDA where it continues to run, but does absolutely nothing while suspended.  But if there is I haven't found it with a quick search.
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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

 

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:46 AM, <ksaeteurn@...> wrote:
@Brian, I tried NVDA + Shift + S but it didn't work.
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Interesting.  I looked at the screenshot you posted and it makes even less sense to me that these sounds were being produced when NVDA was in sleep mode.  As described, that's supposed to suppress all output from NVDA.

The question now is whether this is true universally, which means a bug (or sure does to me), or not, which means something idiosyncratic to your machine.
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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

ksaeteurn@...
 

@Jackie, nope, it's unchecked. That sound was hard on my ears. I'm glad my volume was down haha.
@Brian, I tried NVDA + Shift + S but it didn't work.

Anyway, I found the issue. The beeping sounds were coming from Preferences > Settings > Browse Mode > "Audio indication of focus and browse modes". That option, by default, was selected. Unselecting that made the beeps go away entirely while Speech Mode was off. Tested thoroughly, and confirmed that this was causing the beeps while Speech Mode was off.

Please see this image: https://ibb.co/RvCc3Dt

Maybe this isn't an issue for everyone (it sounds like it isn't), so to be clear, I'm on a windows 10 machine and my NVDA version is 2021.2.

Hope this helps others in the future. Thank you everyone for your patience and support.


Three add-on releases: Clock development build, Extended Winamp 2.1, Golden Cursor 5.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Three add-on releases are now available via Add-on Updater:

  • Clock: September 18th development build
  • Extended Winamp: 2.1 stable version
  • Golden Cursor: 5.1 stable version

 

All three updates include localization updates.

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENTS:

  • Clock add-on: only those who have opted to receiving development releases will be offered this update.
  • Extended Winamp and Golden Cursor: as part of my exit procedure, these two add-ons are no longer maintained by me, effective immediately (I have asked add-ons community to update these add-ons).

 

Changelog for Clock add-on (for other add-ons, they include localization updates):

  • User interface messages have changed to make them more user friendly.
  • The way you specify quiet hours has changed completely. Instead of entering quiet hour ranges using an exact time format syntax, a series of combo boxes will let you choose quiet hours start/end hour and minute.
  • Fixed a long-standing bug where if you choose a different alarm sound, NVDA will play it until the end even if you close alarm settings panel.
  • Fixed time output issue for 24-hour format.

 

These changes will be part of the next stable version of Clock add-on, tentatively scheduled for November 2021.

P.S. Expect add-on updates like this in the next few days.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Cannot write much of anything on Facebook without bringing up the feature to tag individuals

Chris Smart
 

Or just use mbasic.facebook.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: September 20, 2021 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot write much of anything on Facebook without bringing up the feature to tag individuals

The writing it in notepad and pasting it in is what I do. Facebook needs to fix this one.
On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:

Use Notepad & paste it in, Gov. This is not an issue w/NVDA, but FB.
Sighted folks are complaining too. It's a pita-&-a-half, far as I'm
concerned.

On 9/19/21, Governor staten <govsta@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject says it all. This transcends NVDA versions and versions of
Firefox. I am happily writing a comment. Then, I write a word, and it
wants me to tag someone. I cannot seemingly get to where I can write
normally.


This has been happening for quite some time. This occurs with
Narrator as well. Any help with this one is appreciated. This of
course, happens when in focus mode.







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