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Re: Using NVDA with Microsoft Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP)

Christopher Duffley
 

Hello there,

Unfortunately, for that very reason of an update error, I use NVDARemote to complete config things like that, including updates as well as saving to the system configuration. I hope they fix this soon.

Christopher Duffley
Host of Mission Possible Podcast: http://www.missionpossiblepodcast.com
Cell: +1 (603) 851-6971

12 Pro Max

On Sep 23, 2021, at 10:01, Russell James <4rjames@...> wrote:


Greetings,

I have a couple problems when using MS RDP with NVDA as described below.

Sometimes when I use MS RDP to access another Windows computer from my local Windows computer the audio from the remote computer is much lower than the local computer audio.

For example, I was using a local Windows 10 computer to RDP to a remote Windows 8 computer and I can hardly hear NVDA output from the remote computer, however, the local computer NVDA output is easy to hear.

I am not using NVDA remote, I'm running NVDA on both computers and using the audio from RDP.

The volume on the remote computer is set to 100%.

The sound mixer on the local computer does not include a selector for RDP.
All the selectors are at the same level.

If I go to the remote computer and disconnect from RDP the NVDA audio follows the volume control on that computer.

Any recommendations would be appreciated.


When I use MS RDP to access a remote computer and try to update NVDA on the remote computer the update fails with a file in use error.

The error reports something like the file is in use by another user and allows you to retry, however, the only way I know to resolve this problem is to go to the remote computer  and access it directly and complete the update.
A screen shot of the error dialog box is attached for reference.

Many years ago this did not happen.
When I first ran into this problem I reported it.
It has never been resolved since.

It is not always easy to go to the remote computer to do the NVDA update.

If there is a better way to do this please let me know.

Thank you

Russ




Re: Using NVDA with Microsoft Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP)

Jacob Kruger
 

Russell, one thing you could try in terms of updating NVDA is to temporarily use narrator?


And, in terms of the volume levels, I also find remote NvDA dropping volume on/off at times via remote desktop, but, haven't figured out the cause as of yet.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2021-09-23 07:01 PM, Russell James wrote:
Greetings,

I have a couple problems when using MS RDP with NVDA as described below.

Sometimes when I use MS RDP to access another Windows computer from my local Windows computer the audio from the remote computer is much lower than the local computer audio.

For example, I was using a local Windows 10 computer to RDP to a remote Windows 8 computer and I can hardly hear NVDA output from the remote computer, however, the local computer NVDA output is easy to hear.

I am not using NVDA remote, I'm running NVDA on both computers and using the audio from RDP.

The volume on the remote computer is set to 100%.

The sound mixer on the local computer does not include a selector for RDP.
All the selectors are at the same level.

If I go to the remote computer and disconnect from RDP the NVDA audio follows the volume control on that computer.

Any recommendations would be appreciated.


When I use MS RDP to access a remote computer and try to update NVDA on the remote computer the update fails with a file in use error.

The error reports something like the file is in use by another user and allows you to retry, however, the only way I know to resolve this problem is to go to the remote computer  and access it directly and complete the update.
A screen shot of the error dialog box is attached for reference.

Many years ago this did not happen.
When I first ran into this problem I reported it.
It has never been resolved since.

It is not always easy to go to the remote computer to do the NVDA update.

If there is a better way to do this please let me know.

Thank you

Russ




Need help performing clean uninstall of NVDA

 

Hi to all
Please, how to perform a clean uninstall of NVDA.
I and some other people have problem with lbl add-on, an add-on to use along with Reaper. The author said that the only way he or she know is to reinstall Windows, then install NVDA, then the add-on should work. I'm not sure that error come from NVDA or not, but if remove via program and feature, delete NVDA folder from roamming, and even find and delete keys from registry. Is it enough to clean all NVDA data from a computer?
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong


Re: Attention Chess Players

David Csercsics
 

If you find the Hadley stuff for a braille display, I’d be interested as well. Thank you. I need a  chess study program. better


Attention Chess Players

Chris Smart
 

If you are on Twitter, get in touch with @BlindPandas. They  are creating an accessible, modern, and fully featured chess playing program for PC, with offline and online play capabilities. They are looking for experienced blind chess  players to help with testing.

 

If you are interested, please send them a direct message on Twitter.

 

And please forward to any other blind chess-related mailing lists, groups etc.

 

Personally, I regret not finishing the Hadley courses on learning to play. Anyone have the course material in electronic format, that I could load onto a Braille display?

 

Chris

 


Re: dragon naturally speaking and nvda

 

Hi.
Hmmm, that would be nice, but I am not sure I can justify the extra
400 bucks for command creation though that would be nice.
I have contacted the local dragon training specialists here that are
the ones my blind organisation uses so I will see what they say
exactly what I should go for.

On 25/09/2021, Pranav Lal <pranav@techesoterica.com> wrote:
Hi Shaun,

In terms of recognition accuracy, there is no difference between home and
pro. The difference lies in being able to create your own commands. You can
crate your own commands in pro.

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dragon naturally speaking and nvda

Hmmm so for using dragon dictation should I use pro?

Can I use home or is it better with pro.

I was not planning to use pro as such.

I have used windows 10 speech recognition and I can open programs with it.

Is there a list of commands for that.



On 24/09/2021 12:38 pm, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi Shaun,

You can use dragon with nvda without any other software.

You did have the dictationBridge add-on which allowed you to control nvda
by your voice but you would need dragon professional for that and as of
this writing, the add-on is out dated. The project is seeking developers
who can help. Full disclosure, I am a part of the project team.
The thing when working with speech-recognition is that many people like to
hear the text that dragon has recognized. This is possible with
dictationBridge but there are other solutions that can do this. Other
people find hearing text distracting. That is up to you.
You will have to change 2 options for NVDA to work optimally, namely, get
the dragon bar which is a kind of control center for dragon to doc to the
system tray and enable MSAA for dragon menus from within the miscellaneous
settings.

Why not try the windows 11 speech-recognition first and then move to
dragon? When using speech-recognition, you also must get a good quality
microphone and sound card.

Get a USB sound card so that it is not subjected to internal machine
noise. Internal machine noise may interfere with the accuracy of
speech-recognition.

Pranav















Re: dragon naturally speaking and nvda

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Shaun,

In terms of recognition accuracy, there is no difference between home and pro. The difference lies in being able to create your own commands. You can crate your own commands in pro.

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dragon naturally speaking and nvda

Hmmm so for using dragon dictation should I use pro?

Can I use home or is it better with pro.

I was not planning to use pro as such.

I have used windows 10 speech recognition and I can open programs with it.

Is there a list of commands for that.



On 24/09/2021 12:38 pm, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi Shaun,

You can use dragon with nvda without any other software.

You did have the dictationBridge add-on which allowed you to control nvda by your voice but you would need dragon professional for that and as of this writing, the add-on is out dated. The project is seeking developers who can help. Full disclosure, I am a part of the project team.
The thing when working with speech-recognition is that many people like to hear the text that dragon has recognized. This is possible with dictationBridge but there are other solutions that can do this. Other people find hearing text distracting. That is up to you.
You will have to change 2 options for NVDA to work optimally, namely, get the dragon bar which is a kind of control center for dragon to doc to the system tray and enable MSAA for dragon menus from within the miscellaneous settings.

Why not try the windows 11 speech-recognition first and then move to dragon? When using speech-recognition, you also must get a good quality microphone and sound card.

Get a USB sound card so that it is not subjected to internal machine noise. Internal machine noise may interfere with the accuracy of speech-recognition.

Pranav






Re: Does anyone know if NVDA works with the BlueStacks Android emulator?

JinYoun
 

Hi Brian, thank you for these groups. I didn't know where to ask about this... 
Appreciate your help 

Jin 


Re: NVDA-Story: Training the key to success

Quentin Christensen
 

We do, though we could likely better highlight them.  Thanks for the prompt, I'll look into that :)

Quentin.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 2:09 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Ok well if you have a place for stories thats fine.



On 24/09/2021 1:38 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks Shaun,

We have a category for these stories here: https://www.nvaccess.org/category/NVDA-stories/ and I should get into writing more of them.  They are great to do, and it's wonderful to meet users and hear their stories.

We also have a testimonials page: https://www.nvaccess.org/testimonials/

What did you have in mind to either improve those or improve upon them?

Quentin.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 4:15 AM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hmmm well this certainly shows the material is valid and working for users.

Maybe nvaccess should have a case studdies or whatever page where success stories and other things about certain things are shared.



On 23/09/2021 10:59 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
We love hearing from our users, and today's story illustrates exactly why access to free and affordable assistive technology is so important. Thank you Kartik for sharing your experience with us!


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA-Story: Training the key to success

 

Ok well if you have a place for stories thats fine.



On 24/09/2021 1:38 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks Shaun,

We have a category for these stories here: https://www.nvaccess.org/category/NVDA-stories/ and I should get into writing more of them.  They are great to do, and it's wonderful to meet users and hear their stories.

We also have a testimonials page: https://www.nvaccess.org/testimonials/

What did you have in mind to either improve those or improve upon them?

Quentin.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 4:15 AM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hmmm well this certainly shows the material is valid and working for users.

Maybe nvaccess should have a case studdies or whatever page where success stories and other things about certain things are shared.



On 23/09/2021 10:59 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
We love hearing from our users, and today's story illustrates exactly why access to free and affordable assistive technology is so important. Thank you Kartik for sharing your experience with us!


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: dragon naturally speaking and nvda

 

Hmmm so for using dragon dictation should I use pro?

Can I use home or is it better with pro.

I was not planning to use pro as such.

I have used windows 10 speech recognition and I can open programs with it.

Is there a list of commands for that.

On 24/09/2021 12:38 pm, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi Shaun,

You can use dragon with nvda without any other software.

You did have the dictationBridge add-on which allowed you to control nvda by your voice but you would need dragon professional for that and as of this writing, the add-on is out dated. The project is seeking developers who can help. Full disclosure, I am a part of the project team.
The thing when working with speech-recognition is that many people like to hear the text that dragon has recognized. This is possible with dictationBridge but there are other solutions that can do this. Other people find hearing text distracting. That is up to you.
You will have to change 2 options for NVDA to work optimally, namely, get the dragon bar which is a kind of control center for dragon to doc to the system tray and enable MSAA for dragon menus from within the miscellaneous settings.

Why not try the windows 11 speech-recognition first and then move to dragon? When using speech-recognition, you also must get a good quality microphone and sound card.

Get a USB sound card so that it is not subjected to internal machine noise. Internal machine noise may interfere with the accuracy of speech-recognition.

Pranav





Re: NVDA-Story: Training the key to success

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Shaun,

We have a category for these stories here: https://www.nvaccess.org/category/NVDA-stories/ and I should get into writing more of them.  They are great to do, and it's wonderful to meet users and hear their stories.

We also have a testimonials page: https://www.nvaccess.org/testimonials/

What did you have in mind to either improve those or improve upon them?

Quentin.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 4:15 AM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hmmm well this certainly shows the material is valid and working for users.

Maybe nvaccess should have a case studdies or whatever page where success stories and other things about certain things are shared.



On 23/09/2021 10:59 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
We love hearing from our users, and today's story illustrates exactly why access to free and affordable assistive technology is so important. Thank you Kartik for sharing your experience with us!


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: dragon naturally speaking and nvda

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Shaun,

You can use dragon with nvda without any other software.

You did have the dictationBridge add-on which allowed you to control nvda by your voice but you would need dragon professional for that and as of this writing, the add-on is out dated. The project is seeking developers who can help. Full disclosure, I am a part of the project team.
The thing when working with speech-recognition is that many people like to hear the text that dragon has recognized. This is possible with dictationBridge but there are other solutions that can do this. Other people find hearing text distracting. That is up to you.
You will have to change 2 options for NVDA to work optimally, namely, get the dragon bar which is a kind of control center for dragon to doc to the system tray and enable MSAA for dragon menus from within the miscellaneous settings.

Why not try the windows 11 speech-recognition first and then move to dragon? When using speech-recognition, you also must get a good quality microphone and sound card.

Get a USB sound card so that it is not subjected to internal machine noise. Internal machine noise may interfere with the accuracy of speech-recognition.

Pranav


Re: Does anyone know if NVDA works with the BlueStacks Android emulator?

 

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 07:14 PM, JinYoun wrote:
Hi, How do I get talk back on windows to use blue stack? I downloaded it to my pc and NVDA does not read me anything... 
-
You have this entirely backwards.  Once an emulator is on Windows it is within the emulator that you "get" any applications relevant to that ecosystem.

There has just been a discussion today regarding the fact that emulators are "walled gardens" that, while they run under a given operating system, are worlds of their own.  You work within them, not jumping across that wall.

I do not know whether there are any users of specific Android Emulators either on the Blind Android Users Group or Android Accessibility Group, but those would be better places to ask about TalkBack (or, more accurately, Android Accessibility Suite) in emulated Android environments.

NVDA does not work under Android, and as soon as you are inside an emulator you are effectively in Android and only have access to things that run under Android.

Blind Android Users Group (formerly known as ANATAD)

Archive:  https://groups.io/g/blindandroidusers/topics

To join:  blindandroidusers+subscribe@groups.io 

To post:  blindandroidusers@groups.io  

To unsubscribe:  blindandroidusers+unsubscribe@groups.io 

To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these commands:   blindandroidusers+help@groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web):  blindandroidusers+nomail@groups.io

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the addresses below to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group messages individually:  blindandroidusers+single@groups.io

This is the default delivery unless you send a message to one of the addresses that follows.

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digest:  blindandroidusers+fulldigest@groups.io

To receive group messages in a plain text digest:  blindandroidusers+digest@groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:  blindandroidusers+summary@groups.io

To receive only special messages:  blindandroidusers+special@groups.io

To contact the group owner(s):  blindandroidusers+owner@groups.io

This community is for discussions about Android platform and its accessibility for blind and visually impaired users. Feel free to discuss or ask about app recommendations, OS problems, Screen readers, Vision aids, assistive apps, or any other related topic that you think will make the use of Android easier for the community.

Archive:  https://groups.io/g/androidaccessibility/topics

Subscribe: androidaccessibility+subscribe@groups.io

Post: androidaccessibility@groups.io

Unsubscribe: androidaccessibility+unsubscribe@groups.io

Group Owner: androidaccessibility+owner@groups.io

Help: androidaccessibility+help@groups.io

 

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Does anyone know if NVDA works with the BlueStacks Android emulator?

JinYoun
 

Hi, How do I get talk back on windows to use blue stack? I downloaded it to my pc and NVDA does not read me anything... 
Thank you 


Re: Android Emulators

JM Casey
 

Yes. Drifting a bit off topic but, emulation is a pretty fascinating idea. My ex used to run video game system emulators on one of our pCs and a few years ago I got an emulator running on windows that perfectly simulated my first computer, an Apple II E. They even perfectly replicated through software the circuitry of the old Echo speech hardware synth.

 

But yeah, first rule of emulation is: emulator will only run what’s native to the things it is supposed to be emulating…and not always even those things, since there can sometimes be unexpected glitches in emulation, as you might expect.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 23, 2021 02:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Android Emulators

 

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 02:32 PM, JM Casey wrote:

You will need to start thinking of the emulation as a completely separate environment from your windows system, even if it is running on your windows box.

-
You're absolutely correct.  Emulators are, in effect, sandboxed virtual machines, and within those environments it is precisely as though you were working natively under the operating system being emulated.  The only thing that happens in Windows itself is kicking off the emulator and exiting the emulator (and you can, of course, do the latter from within the emulator, too).  Windows recognizes the emulator as an application, but that's about it.

I'd think that most Android Emulators that are currently maintained could install Android Accessibility Suite in the instance of emulated Android they control.  The logistics of that, however, I have not played with.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Android Emulators

 

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 02:32 PM, JM Casey wrote:
You will need to start thinking of the emulation as a completely separate environment from your windows system, even if it is running on your windows box.
-
You're absolutely correct.  Emulators are, in effect, sandboxed virtual machines, and within those environments it is precisely as though you were working natively under the operating system being emulated.  The only thing that happens in Windows itself is kicking off the emulator and exiting the emulator (and you can, of course, do the latter from within the emulator, too).  Windows recognizes the emulator as an application, but that's about it.

I'd think that most Android Emulators that are currently maintained could install Android Accessibility Suite in the instance of emulated Android they control.  The logistics of that, however, I have not played with.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Looking for assistance,FW: Creating Accessible Documents, and screen reader you can test with.

Judy Jones
 

Moderator Notes:
Judy, if you don't happen to already be a member of the NVDA Chat Subgroup, I am suggesting you subscribe:  chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

Anyone who wants to discuss the specifics of creating Adobe Acrobat Fillable Forms, or Microsoft Word Fillable Forms, should also subscribe to the Chat Subgroup, as both of those topics, while worthy of discussion, are not directly NVDA related and would apply to any screen reader.

Discussion here should be focused on anything anyone may have to offer on testing fillable forms or otherwise accessible forms with NVDA.  How to create those is off-topic for this group.

------------------------------------------------------

Hello Listers,

 

I am seeking assistance for our church’s publication staff, as they are interested in making their Adobe and Word documents accessible with NVDA, yet I haven’t the knowledge on how to help.

 

I am needing to fill out my own quarterly reports for our Missionary Department, and the Ministers Report is one my husband will be needing to fill out as Evangelism Coordinator.

 

I have sent the publishing representative, Mr. Kryss Barick, the document the NFB uses in its Accessible Boutique for document creation.

 

I have also sent him suggested links from Vispero on creating screen reader accessible documents.

 

He did download NVDA, but  is running into snags, and I am not sure how to help him out.

 

He has given me permission to forward his responses to me, and I will do the same with any replies.

 

He has a lot on his plate, so I am offering to assist in passing on any responses related to my query.

 

I am also attaching the original adobe report that is currently on their web site.  The goal is to get all report forms up on site, and the ministers report is one of the first.

 

Thank you in advance for solutions to help make accessible documents, or the best solution for him.

 

Judy Jones

 

From: Kryss Barick <kbarick@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 6:53 AM
To: Judy Jones <sonshines59@...>
Subject: Re: Creating Accessible Documents, and screen reader you can test with.

 

Well, sister, I thought I was making progress until I downloaded the screen-reader. I did my best to follow the instructions to create a pdf that will allow a screen reader to capture the pertinent text with the information you sent yesterday. I added in depth labeling to the tool tip section of each field. After I turned on my Windows Narrator, and it read out each section when I tabbed through as I expected it to with the file when I opened it, but when I installed NVDA this morning, it only gave me the file name and nothing else. It may only be user error, at least I hope so.

 

 

I am working with the Minister's Monthly Report, since it will be the first one that needs this treatment. I appreciate you working with me on this. Hopefully we can get it figured out and get to work on everything else from there. I do think that these reports are going to be the most difficult and, therefore, the best to start with. Everything else should be easy after this.

 

I have attached my most recent iteration of this file for you to check out and see if we are making any progress. Please let me know what you find.

 

Thanks again.

 

Kryss Barick

Publishing Manager

The Church of God International Offices

www.thechurchofgod.org

 


From: Judy Jones <sonshines59@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:14 PM
To: Kryss Barick <kbarick@...>
Subject: Creating Accessible Documents, and screen reader you can test with.

 

Hi, Brother Kryss,

 

This morning I received the document used in the Creating Accessible Documents webinar, see attached.

 

There is also a free and open-source screen reader you can try, called NVDA.  It was primarily developed for blind people in third-world countries who cannot afford to buy software, but has caught on worldwide.

https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

When using a screen reader, key strokes and combinations are used to navigate the computer, not the mouse.

 

Thanks so much for all you have done, you have been a highlight this week.  😊

 

Judy Jones

 

“Embrace each day with His mercies and blessings!”

 


Re: Android Emulators

JM Casey
 

In addition to what you said here, I’d just like to iterate that for sure, no android emulator will run NVDA. The whole point of an emulater is that it  uses your system to mirror a completely differetn system in as close a way as possible. Thus, the Android emulator will only run Android programmes; not Windows ones. You will need to start thinking of the emulation as a completely separate environment from your windows system, even if it is running on your windows box.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: September 23, 2021 11:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Android Emulators

 

I didn't see any response to your request

I'll share what I know and hopes that it will help you

The Android emulator that comes with the Android SDK is not going to work with nvda on your Windows computer
You will need a screen reader running in the Android emulator such as Google TalkBack in order to access the screen content of the Android emulator

I have not used that emulator for some time and you used to have to side load Google talkback to make this happen

In the past I have requested keyboard shortcuts on Android to enable accessibility so that you could do things like this using the Android emulator or an Android virtual machine

I'm not aware of any Android emulators that come with talkback installed and enabled but it's not out of the question

Similar capabilities can be achieved using an Android image running in a virtual machine on your Windows computer and over the years there have been several of these images shared after having installed and enabled TalkBack

If you reply with what you want to use the Android emulator for on your Windows computer maybe there are recommendations they can be shared

Russ

 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 11:08 PM Jacques Jumonville <jpjino885@...> wrote:

Hi my name is Jacques and I'm blind and I'd like to know if there are any emulators with google play store included in them that could work with NVDA?





Re: Zoom app verbosity is too aggressive. Any way to adjust?

Luke Robinett
 

OK, oops. Turns out the issue with keyboard shortcuts was user error. Zoom or one of its meeting windows must have focus for those shortcuts to work. The first part of my previous message about the add on not addressing my original issue still stands, so I welcome any additional ideas on that piece. Thanks again folks.

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