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Re: NVDA Responsiveness in Versions of Microsoft Office

Quentin Christensen
 

Have you checked whether these are all reported on https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Using UIA will become the default in time, so it's important that those testing things like this, ensure they are reported.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 4:20 PM Jujube <ellaxyu@...> wrote:
I have a feeling that UIA support is still kind of janky at best and is still under development, and yes, typing is much snappier in word with UIA turned on, and this computer has rather limited system resources btw. I know this isn't quite on topic, but I'll also mention a few things I noticed in Excel with UIA support turned on, and btw I have both office 16/365 (or something like that) which I got from my college for viewing narrated powerpoints and office 2007 (I know, I know, it's so old but that's what my family has). I found the following, particularly with the newer office version (and sorry I know this is Excel):
- Pressing NVDA+Space does not switch between browse an focus modes.
- Pressing NVDA control C and NVDA control R does not allow you to set automatic row and column header reading.
- Commands to select an entire row (shift + down arrow) and commands to select an entire column (control shift down arrow) don't work as intended. Instead, I get something like (selected 1 through 1) which isn't right.
And yes, none of these are a problem with UIA turned off.

And a few issues with excel and braille displays (and yes speech is perfectly fine here):
- When I enter browse mode and navigate between cells, nothing on the braille display changes but I hear all the contents read out to me in speech. This is not at all an issue in focus mode (and yes I did report this on NVDA issue tracker under the name mrsviolafangirl).
- When using the newer version of Excel (and yes this happens no matter if UIA is enabled or not), when I type into a cell with  a braille display connected, the contents of what I'm entering is not showing up on the braille display (but it is spoken just fine in speech) and I have to press escape or enter to read what I typed on the braille display. This is a non issue in my old MS Excel 2007.
And yes, I'm well aware that the number of people who use braille displays is quite limited so I totally understand if braille display issues are hard to reproduce.

Okay sorry for commenting on excel issues on this thread, but if there's some little quirks using NVDA with MS office that can use some fixes, it's worth mentioning lol.



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Re: Emoji saying 12 in outlook not saying the name

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Gene,
I also have the problem.
I just unchecked the checkbox in the speech parameters and pressing ☹ an emoji does not change anything.
NVDA says 1 in Outlook.
Best
Sylvie


Re: NVDA Responsiveness in Versions of Microsoft Office

Jujube
 

I have a feeling that UIA support is still kind of janky at best and is still under development, and yes, typing is much snappier in word with UIA turned on, and this computer has rather limited system resources btw. I know this isn't quite on topic, but I'll also mention a few things I noticed in Excel with UIA support turned on, and btw I have both office 16/365 (or something like that) which I got from my college for viewing narrated powerpoints and office 2007 (I know, I know, it's so old but that's what my family has). I found the following, particularly with the newer office version (and sorry I know this is Excel):
- Pressing NVDA+Space does not switch between browse an focus modes.
- Pressing NVDA control C and NVDA control R does not allow you to set automatic row and column header reading.
- Commands to select an entire row (shift + down arrow) and commands to select an entire column (control shift down arrow) don't work as intended. Instead, I get something like (selected 1 through 1) which isn't right.
And yes, none of these are a problem with UIA turned off.

And a few issues with excel and braille displays (and yes speech is perfectly fine here):
- When I enter browse mode and navigate between cells, nothing on the braille display changes but I hear all the contents read out to me in speech. This is not at all an issue in focus mode (and yes I did report this on NVDA issue tracker under the name mrsviolafangirl).
- When using the newer version of Excel (and yes this happens no matter if UIA is enabled or not), when I type into a cell with  a braille display connected, the contents of what I'm entering is not showing up on the braille display (but it is spoken just fine in speech) and I have to press escape or enter to read what I typed on the braille display. This is a non issue in my old MS Excel 2007.
And yes, I'm well aware that the number of people who use braille displays is quite limited so I totally understand if braille display issues are hard to reproduce.

Okay sorry for commenting on excel issues on this thread, but if there's some little quirks using NVDA with MS office that can use some fixes, it's worth mentioning lol.


locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Jackie
 

I use the GMail interface, and I don't recall *ever* having a
groups.io message in my spam folder. I wonder what would cause that,
as groups.io has all its dns records in place & its reputation is
beyond stellar.

On 9/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:


My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do
this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam
filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in
the program’s spam folder.
-
Gene,

It depends on the e-mail client and how it interacts with Gmail (or any
server, really).  Some send the request to the server, and the moving
happens on the server side and gets synchronized back to the client, while
others do it locally having zero impact on the server side.

When it comes to Gmail, because of the above, I tend to use the webmail
interface when it comes to filtering as I know that whatever is set up on
Gmail's server will carry over to any email client that connects to it,
while the reverse is not necessarily true.

I can't explain what's going on with Louise, unless her email client of
choice has its own spam filter (much like Thunderbird's junk filter) that's
post-processing everything that comes in.
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On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:
My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in the program’s spam folder. 
-
Gene,

It depends on the e-mail client and how it interacts with Gmail (or any server, really).  Some send the request to the server, and the moving happens on the server side and gets synchronized back to the client, while others do it locally having zero impact on the server side.

When it comes to Gmail, because of the above, I tend to use the webmail interface when it comes to filtering as I know that whatever is set up on Gmail's server will carry over to any email client that connects to it, while the reverse is not necessarily true.

I can't explain what's going on with Louise, unless her email client of choice has its own spam filter (much like Thunderbird's junk filter) that's post-processing everything that comes in.
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Re: NVDA Responsiveness in Versions of Microsoft Office

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

< Turning on experimental UIA support improves responsiveness but
< introduces various other bugs.
What are the other bugs it introduces? Just to be alert since I don't remember facing any, but I haven't played with Word much lately.
thanks.


On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 3:20 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
I found a couple of articles on steps to improve responsiveness in Word:



Before things like reinstalling Word, I'd be inclined to look at things like what add-ins you are using, and disabling things like "live preview" etc.

Of course, if you can identify specific things which cause Word to slow down specifically with NVDA, then we'd be keen to investigate.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 6:18 AM Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,

I currently have Word for Microsoft 365 installed on my Windows 10
powered laptop. Since several NVDA versions, I have generally not been
satisfied with NVDA’s responsiveness in this version of Word, whether
it be in navigation through large documents on editing text in small
ones. Turning on experimental UIA support improves responsiveness but
introduces various other bugs. As such, I am considering switching to
another version of Microsoft Office. Which one would you say, say 2013
or 2019, is NVDA snappiest in?

I would appreciate any assistance and thoughts in this regard.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/







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locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Pamela Dominguez
 

I think windows live mail has a spam folder, but when I got on gmail, it used the gmail spam folder instead.  Pam.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 
My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in the program’s spam folder. 
 
When I am on the GMail site, there is a not spam button.  When I look at my spam mail using Thunderbird, I am seeing the GMail spam folder because I don’t run one in my e-mail program, there is no not spam option in the e-mail program itself.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 
I mark the e-mail messages as “not spam” from my E-mail client, because they seem to go right back into spam if I mark them from the gmail web interface.  Don’t ask me why.  This is pure speculation, but maybe the feedback loop works better when created from an E-mail client.
 
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locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Gene
 

My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in the program’s spam folder. 
 
When I am on the GMail site, there is a not spam button.  When I look at my spam mail using Thunderbird, I am seeing the GMail spam folder because I don’t run one in my e-mail program, there is no not spam option in the e-mail program itself.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 
I mark the e-mail messages as “not spam” from my E-mail client, because they seem to go right back into spam if I mark them from the gmail web interface.  Don’t ask me why.  This is pure speculation, but maybe the feedback loop works better when created from an E-mail client.
 
Louise


locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Louise Pfau
 

I mark the e-mail messages as “not spam” from my E-mail client, because they seem to go right back into spam if I mark them from the gmail web interface.  Don’t ask me why.  This is pure speculation, but maybe the feedback loop works better when created from an E-mail client.
 
Louise


Re: NVDA Responsiveness in Versions of Microsoft Office

Quentin Christensen
 

I found a couple of articles on steps to improve responsiveness in Word:



Before things like reinstalling Word, I'd be inclined to look at things like what add-ins you are using, and disabling things like "live preview" etc.

Of course, if you can identify specific things which cause Word to slow down specifically with NVDA, then we'd be keen to investigate.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 6:18 AM Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,

I currently have Word for Microsoft 365 installed on my Windows 10
powered laptop. Since several NVDA versions, I have generally not been
satisfied with NVDA’s responsiveness in this version of Word, whether
it be in navigation through large documents on editing text in small
ones. Turning on experimental UIA support improves responsiveness but
introduces various other bugs. As such, I am considering switching to
another version of Microsoft Office. Which one would you say, say 2013
or 2019, is NVDA snappiest in?

I would appreciate any assistance and thoughts in this regard.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/







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Re: adobe reader 64 bit

Quentin Christensen
 

I must admit I haven't had cause to read too many PDF files extensively recently, so mostly I've just opened it quickly to check something, either with NVDA or for things like reading a bill to pay.  I know we have, for instance this issue around errors: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11568 although in that issue while errors are generated, the program itself seems to behave normally (there are Adobe Reader version numbers there though it's not clear if it is 32-bit or 64-bit).

In any case, as with any problem, if you can document it, and particularly if you have steps to reproduce, we can definitely investigate.


Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 9:51 PM Lukasz Golonka via groups.io <lukasz.golonka=mailbox.org@groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:13:39 +1000
"Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...> wrote:

> Yes, I've been using the 64-bit version of Adobe Reader for awhile and it works fine.

How often you're using it with NVDA? There are various reports of 64-bit
Reader behaving unreliably and / or even out right crashing with various
AT's in the wild.







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Re: Emoji saying 12 in outlook not saying the name

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


It looks as though if you have the following setting under speech unchecked called Include Unicode Consortium data (including emoji) when processing characters and symbols it looks as though when the emoji panel is brought up it only speaks the number of the emoji not the name and when checked will speak the emojis names one for the trouble shooting section.


I am just waiting for the person to get back to me to see if that fixes the problem it worked in notepad so can not see why not for outlook.



Gene nz

On 28/09/2021 11:41 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys


Has any one had the following problem using outlook? when after inserting a emoji when you go to read back what you have typed in the email it says 12 instead of the name of the emoji.


They are using windows 10 not sure which version yet and to make sure I am going to get her to update nvda she might already have I will find out shortly.


The below is what she said and I have no answer about saying emoji before it.


But, weirdly, when I select them and read back over that spot it just says 12 where each one is.  Then if I send the e-mail and someone replies I can read them if I scroll down to my original e-mail.  Emojis from other people are reading fine.

Is this a setting I need to change in NVDA or is it something to do with my rather outdated 2013 version of outlook.  And can I set NVDA to say emoji when it reads one so I know it isn’t part of the text if it is a bit random.
_._,_._,_



So it seems she can read emojis in a email but not after it has been inserted into her email that she types up.


Any ideas?


Gene nz







Re: NVDA speech audio destination. windows 10

Jujube
 

Hi, You may or may not need to configure something in Windows sound settings, or you can check the sound device in NVDA synth dialogue by pressing NVDA control s and then tabbing once. Hope this helps.

On Sep 27, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi All.

Is it possible to choose the audio NVDA synthesizer speech destination when we are using a Bluetooth Speaker?

example

When I'm listening music on a Bluetooth device speaker, I'd like to listen to NVDA synthesizer speech audio in my ultrabook speaker, not Bluetooth Speaker.
This way I can continue to work on my ultrabook and listen music on the bluetooth device Speaker
This is possible, or there is some addon for this function .
I've tried several ways but without success.
thank you.
cheers.

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NVDA speech audio destination. windows 10

Mário Navarro
 

Hi All.

Is it possible to choose the audio NVDA synthesizer speech destination when we are using a Bluetooth Speaker?

example

When I'm listening music on a Bluetooth device speaker, I'd like to listen to NVDA synthesizer speech audio in my ultrabook speaker, not Bluetooth Speaker.
This way I can continue to work on my ultrabook and listen music on the bluetooth  device Speaker
This is possible, or there is some addon for this function .
I've tried several ways but without success.
thank you.
cheers.

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Emoji saying 12 in outlook not saying the name

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


Has any one had the following problem using outlook? when after inserting a emoji when you go to read back what you have typed in the email it says 12 instead of the name of the emoji.


They are using windows 10 not sure which version yet and to make sure I am going to get her to update nvda she might already have I will find out shortly.


The below is what she said and I have no answer about saying emoji before it.


But, weirdly, when I select them and read back over that spot it just says 12 where each one is.  Then if I send the e-mail and someone replies I can read them if I scroll down to my original e-mail.  Emojis from other people are reading fine.

Is this a setting I need to change in NVDA or is it something to do with my rather outdated 2013 version of outlook.  And can I set NVDA to say emoji when it reads one so I know it isn’t part of the text if it is a bit random.
_._,_._,_



So it seems she can read emojis in a email but not after it has been inserted into her email that she types up.


Any ideas?


Gene nz


NVDA Responsiveness in Versions of Microsoft Office

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I currently have Word for Microsoft 365 installed on my Windows 10
powered laptop. Since several NVDA versions, I have generally not been
satisfied with NVDA’s responsiveness in this version of Word, whether
it be in navigation through large documents on editing text in small
ones. Turning on experimental UIA support improves responsiveness but
introduces various other bugs. As such, I am considering switching to
another version of Microsoft Office. Which one would you say, say 2013
or 2019, is NVDA snappiest in?

I would appreciate any assistance and thoughts in this regard.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,

I use Time Warner Mail now known officially as Spectrum mail service. I was getting this issue of group messages marked as spam on several e-mail addresses. I used to go to the online interface and mark them as not spam and send them to the inbox. This did not solve the problem. Every time the mail hit the server, it was filtered into the spam folder. I called tech support and they told me to put those trouble addresses into my online address book. I did this and for a few days, nothing changed, then after about 4 or 5 days, the messages started showing up as normal mail in my inbox on my Thunderbird mail program.  So if anyone has this issue, give this method a try as well.

On 9/27/2021 11:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Hello All,

I have noticed recently that we are having a number of people unsubscribed for marking messages as spam.  Let me first say that I know that those of you being so unsubscribed have likely not done this marking yourself, but it's a part of the spam filtering your email service provider has.

When this occurs, there are things you can do to help avoid this happening to others in the future, the most important of which is going to your spam folder and unmarking the message that got sent there that originated from groups.io.  This starts a feedback loop with the email service provider and their spam filtering and even a few of these unmarkings tends to get the filter that classified groups.io messages as spam removed.

It's also helpful, when possible, to write support at your email service provider and telling them that since groups.io is a subscription only service, nothing that comes from it can be considered spam.  If you haven't subscribed to a group, you will not get messages from it, plain and simple.

If you happen to have accidentally marked a groups.io message as spam yourself, then please do take the time to go to your spam folder and unmark it.  The feedback loop to email service providers works both ways, and just a few "mark as spam" actions can trigger the creation of a filter by the email service provider, and that can affect a large number of people.  Unmarking messages accidentally marked as spam can prevent this from happening.
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locked Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

 

Hello All,

I have noticed recently that we are having a number of people unsubscribed for marking messages as spam.  Let me first say that I know that those of you being so unsubscribed have likely not done this marking yourself, but it's a part of the spam filtering your email service provider has.

When this occurs, there are things you can do to help avoid this happening to others in the future, the most important of which is going to your spam folder and unmarking the message that got sent there that originated from groups.io.  This starts a feedback loop with the email service provider and their spam filtering and even a few of these unmarkings tends to get the filter that classified groups.io messages as spam removed.

It's also helpful, when possible, to write support at your email service provider and telling them that since groups.io is a subscription only service, nothing that comes from it can be considered spam.  If you haven't subscribed to a group, you will not get messages from it, plain and simple.

If you happen to have accidentally marked a groups.io message as spam yourself, then please do take the time to go to your spam folder and unmark it.  The feedback loop to email service providers works both ways, and just a few "mark as spam" actions can trigger the creation of a filter by the email service provider, and that can affect a large number of people.  Unmarking messages accidentally marked as spam can prevent this from happening.
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Re: adobe reader 64 bit

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:13:39 +1000
"Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:

Yes, I've been using the 64-bit version of Adobe Reader for awhile and it works fine.
How often you're using it with NVDA? There are various reports of 64-bit
Reader behaving unreliably and / or even out right crashing with various
AT's in the wild.


Re: adobe reader 64 bit

Sameer Latey
 


I was able to download & install Acrobat Reader DC 64-bit from the Adobe site. The 64-bit installation works after the 32-bit version is uninstalled & not on top of the existing one.

Regards
Sameer Latey
On 27-09-2021 12:01 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

To be honest, I can't recall (I must have done it awhile ago).  I did find this page with the download of the 64-bit version: https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/download-64-bit-installer.html

But it sounds like you might have that already?  If it won't let you install over the top, you might need to uninstall the 32-bit version first maybe?

According to that page, it says the 64-bit version is only available in Australia, New Zealand, and the UK - I'm not sure if it will throw an error if you try to install it elsewhere.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 3:42 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

Hi,

How did you do the upgrade? The installer gives me an already installed error if I try to install the 64 bit version on top of the 32 bit version.

On 9/26/2021 10:13 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Yes, I've been using the 64-bit version of Adobe Reader for awhile and it works fine.

Quentin.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 9:48 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
Hi all,

Adobe now has a 64 bit version of reader.  The upgrade isn't automatic
however. Is the 64 bit version compatible with NVDA as well?








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