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Re: Eloquence and NVDA: automatic language switching

Rui Fontes
 

Vocalizer from Tiflotecnia does it very well...


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 20:16 de 28/09/2021, Gianluigi Coppelletti escreveu:

Thanks Rui,

yes, that's a SAPI5 synthesizer.

The automatic language switching is not the most important feature as i can create a profile to switch manually, but it is very useful for me. I'll think about it before purchasing.

Thanks again.

Gigi

Il 28/09/2021 19.57, Rui Fontes ha scritto:

If you are talking about Eloquence in SAPI5 it will not have that feature...

I think it is SAPI5 itself that do not have it...


Rui Fontes


Às 18:06 de 28/09/2021, Ashutosh Singhal escreveu:
In my experience, Espeak can automatically  switch languages but, Neither CodeFactory vocalisers  nor Window one coor voices can automatically change their languages. Sorry, I do not know about CodeFactory eloquence.

On Tue, 28 Sept 2021 at 21:48, Gianluigi Coppelletti <gianluigi@...> wrote:
Hi,

I'm testing the demo version of Eloquence by CodeFactory, and when I
visit a web page in a language other than the default one, the
synthesizer doesn't automatically switch to the language of that page.
Obviously the check box concerning the automatic language switching is
checked and with Espeak it works fine.

Am I doing something wrong or this option doesn't work with this version
of Eloquence?

This happens with NVDA 2021.2 Windows 10 and Eloquence 1.11.0 just
downloaded from the official website.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Bye.

Gigi







Re: NVDA speech audio destination. windows 10

Mário Navarro
 

Hi Friend.
Okay, I already know how to do this.
Abbie Taylor in the Tektalk group gave me this tip.
Thank you.
cheers.

Às 00:27 de 28/09/2021, Jujube escreveu:

Hi, You may or may not need to configure something in Windows sound settings, or you can check the sound device in NVDA synth dialogue by pressing NVDA control s and then tabbing once. Hope this helps.

On Sep 27, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi All.

Is it possible to choose the audio NVDA synthesizer speech destination when we are using a Bluetooth Speaker?

example

When I'm listening music on a Bluetooth device speaker, I'd like to listen to NVDA synthesizer speech audio in my ultrabook speaker, not Bluetooth Speaker.
This way I can continue to work on my ultrabook and listen music on the bluetooth device Speaker
This is possible, or there is some addon for this function .
I've tried several ways but without success.
thank you.
cheers.

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In-Process 29th September

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week on In-Process, another new feature spotlight from NVDA 2021.2, we share the inspirational story of one of our users, Kartik, and Mick and Quentin both chat on the wireless:  https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-september-2021/

Quentin.

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Emoji saying 12 in outlook not saying the name

Quentin Christensen
 

Outlook essentially treats emails like Word documents, so yes that setting applies to both Word and to emails in Outlook.

I'm not sure which version of Office she has, I think for newer builds, using UIA fixes a number of issues we can't otherwise address and will soon be the default.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:59 PM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin


I will pass on the information you gave me to her and see what happens.


I will see if it does the job in word and do you know if it will do it for outlook as well. I just looked in the advanced settings saw it for word but not outlook as well does that use word code?  I also saw it for some others.


If things work correctly  should I tell her to save her settings.


Any other info to pass on?

Any problems  for me to note.


She might take a couple of days to get back to me.


If the problems are fixed should i then not do a ticket? or let her try it for a week or so before we go any further.


Gene nz


On 29/09/2021 5:19 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Ah I just explored a bit more - I am using NVDA 2021.2
 
Windows 10 (64-bit) Version: 2009, Build: 19043
 
Office 365 (64-bit) Version: 16.0.14326.20384 

This happens at least on my pc when I have NVDA set NOT to use UI Automation in Word.  If you go into NVDA's advanced controls and check that option:

1. Press NVDA+control+g to open options
2. Press CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB to the "Advanced" category.
3. Press spacebar to acknowledge the "I understand...." warning.
4. Press TAB until the focus is on "Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word Document Controls".
5. Press SPACEBAR to check this.
6. Press ENTER.

Now emoji's should be read correctly.

Quentin

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 2:10 PM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin


The lady I have been talking to via email say what happens  goes like this.


she goes into outlook and does a new email. In the body of the email she will type up some stuff. If then she uses the Windows key + . to bring up the emoji panel when she arrows around the emojis are spoken out correctly She presses the enter key on the one she wants it is then inserted into the email. Then she will press the escape key to close the panel So if she types more and then adds more text and emojis it is not until  it is when she goes to review the email it says 12 in place of the emoji.


So the example would be I saw a emoji police car today and a fire emoji engine down the street.

The word emoji is not spoken out but it was more to let you know it was in the email.


so when she goes to read it back with the arrow keys she gets the following in the email.

So the example would be I saw a 12today and 12down the street.


She is using Windows 10 and nvda 2021.2. I think she said it also happened in word when she went to review the document where she had inserted them.


Those settings were checked you gave. I have told her what to do about setting to debug level recreating the problem in the program and sending me back the log so I can do a ticket.


She said when some one sends her a email with emojis in it they are spoken out correctly but not in the part where you type stuff inserting a emoji then reading back the email to send it that is where the problem is. She does not have a braille display she is hearing it.

Apparently I have seen 2 or 3 others on the list with the same problem in the thread.


Gene nz






On 29/09/2021 2:13 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
On the voice settings page (NVDA+control+v) you want to enable "Include Unicode Consortium data (including emoji) when processing characters and symbols"


"When this checkbox is checked, NVDA will include additional symbol pronunciation dictionaries when pronouncing characters and symbols. These dictionaries contain descriptions for symbols (particularly emoji) that are provided by the Unicode Consortium as part of their Common Locale Data Repository. If you want NVDA to speak descriptions of emoji characters based on this data, you should enable this option. However, if you are using a speech synthesizer that supports speaking emoji descriptions natively, you may wish to turn this off.

Note that manually added or edited character descriptions are saved as part of your user settings. Therefore, if you change the description of a particular emoji, your custom description will be spoken for that emoji regardless of whether this option is enabled. You can add, edit or remove symbol descriptions in NVDA's punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog.

To toggle Unicode Consortium data inclusion from anywhere, please assign a custom gesture using the Input Gestures dialog."

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 8:42 AM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


Has any one had the following problem using outlook? when after
inserting a emoji when you go to read back what you have typed in the
email it says 12 instead of the name of the emoji.


They are using windows 10 not sure which version yet and to make sure I
am going to get her to update nvda she might already have I will find
out shortly.


The below is what she said and I have no answer about saying emoji
before it.


But, weirdly, when I select them and read back over that spot it just
says 12 where each one is.  Then if I send the e-mail and someone
replies I can read them if I scroll down to my original e-mail.  Emojis
from other people are reading fine.

Is this a setting I need to change in NVDA or is it something to do with
my rather outdated 2013 version of outlook.  And can I set NVDA to say
emoji when it reads one so I know it isn’t part of the text if it is a
bit random.


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Emoji saying 12 in outlook not saying the name

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Quentin


I will pass on the information you gave me to her and see what happens.


I will see if it does the job in word and do you know if it will do it for outlook as well. I just looked in the advanced settings saw it for word but not outlook as well does that use word code?  I also saw it for some others.


If things work correctly  should I tell her to save her settings.


Any other info to pass on?

Any problems  for me to note.


She might take a couple of days to get back to me.


If the problems are fixed should i then not do a ticket? or let her try it for a week or so before we go any further.


Gene nz


On 29/09/2021 5:19 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Ah I just explored a bit more - I am using NVDA 2021.2
 
Windows 10 (64-bit) Version: 2009, Build: 19043
 
Office 365 (64-bit) Version: 16.0.14326.20384 

This happens at least on my pc when I have NVDA set NOT to use UI Automation in Word.  If you go into NVDA's advanced controls and check that option:

1. Press NVDA+control+g to open options
2. Press CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB to the "Advanced" category.
3. Press spacebar to acknowledge the "I understand...." warning.
4. Press TAB until the focus is on "Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word Document Controls".
5. Press SPACEBAR to check this.
6. Press ENTER.

Now emoji's should be read correctly.

Quentin

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 2:10 PM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin


The lady I have been talking to via email say what happens  goes like this.


she goes into outlook and does a new email. In the body of the email she will type up some stuff. If then she uses the Windows key + . to bring up the emoji panel when she arrows around the emojis are spoken out correctly She presses the enter key on the one she wants it is then inserted into the email. Then she will press the escape key to close the panel So if she types more and then adds more text and emojis it is not until  it is when she goes to review the email it says 12 in place of the emoji.


So the example would be I saw a emoji police car today and a fire emoji engine down the street.

The word emoji is not spoken out but it was more to let you know it was in the email.


so when she goes to read it back with the arrow keys she gets the following in the email.

So the example would be I saw a 12today and 12down the street.


She is using Windows 10 and nvda 2021.2. I think she said it also happened in word when she went to review the document where she had inserted them.


Those settings were checked you gave. I have told her what to do about setting to debug level recreating the problem in the program and sending me back the log so I can do a ticket.


She said when some one sends her a email with emojis in it they are spoken out correctly but not in the part where you type stuff inserting a emoji then reading back the email to send it that is where the problem is. She does not have a braille display she is hearing it.

Apparently I have seen 2 or 3 others on the list with the same problem in the thread.


Gene nz






On 29/09/2021 2:13 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
On the voice settings page (NVDA+control+v) you want to enable "Include Unicode Consortium data (including emoji) when processing characters and symbols"


"When this checkbox is checked, NVDA will include additional symbol pronunciation dictionaries when pronouncing characters and symbols. These dictionaries contain descriptions for symbols (particularly emoji) that are provided by the Unicode Consortium as part of their Common Locale Data Repository. If you want NVDA to speak descriptions of emoji characters based on this data, you should enable this option. However, if you are using a speech synthesizer that supports speaking emoji descriptions natively, you may wish to turn this off.

Note that manually added or edited character descriptions are saved as part of your user settings. Therefore, if you change the description of a particular emoji, your custom description will be spoken for that emoji regardless of whether this option is enabled. You can add, edit or remove symbol descriptions in NVDA's punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog.

To toggle Unicode Consortium data inclusion from anywhere, please assign a custom gesture using the Input Gestures dialog."

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 8:42 AM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


Has any one had the following problem using outlook? when after
inserting a emoji when you go to read back what you have typed in the
email it says 12 instead of the name of the emoji.


They are using windows 10 not sure which version yet and to make sure I
am going to get her to update nvda she might already have I will find
out shortly.


The below is what she said and I have no answer about saying emoji
before it.


But, weirdly, when I select them and read back over that spot it just
says 12 where each one is.  Then if I send the e-mail and someone
replies I can read them if I scroll down to my original e-mail.  Emojis
from other people are reading fine.

Is this a setting I need to change in NVDA or is it something to do with
my rather outdated 2013 version of outlook.  And can I set NVDA to say
emoji when it reads one so I know it isn’t part of the text if it is a
bit random.


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA saying form

Louise Pfau
 

Like other's on the list, I noticed this behaviour when I updated to NVDA 2021.2, but I like it. I just checked the "Document formatting" settings, and "Landmarks and regions" is checked. I don't think I changed any settings in the "Document formatting" panel though.

Louise


Re: Emoji saying 12 in outlook not saying the name

Quentin Christensen
 

Ah I just explored a bit more - I am using NVDA 2021.2
 
Windows 10 (64-bit) Version: 2009, Build: 19043
 
Office 365 (64-bit) Version: 16.0.14326.20384 

This happens at least on my pc when I have NVDA set NOT to use UI Automation in Word.  If you go into NVDA's advanced controls and check that option:

1. Press NVDA+control+g to open options
2. Press CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB to the "Advanced" category.
3. Press spacebar to acknowledge the "I understand...." warning.
4. Press TAB until the focus is on "Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word Document Controls".
5. Press SPACEBAR to check this.
6. Press ENTER.

Now emoji's should be read correctly.

Quentin

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 2:10 PM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin


The lady I have been talking to via email say what happens  goes like this.


she goes into outlook and does a new email. In the body of the email she will type up some stuff. If then she uses the Windows key + . to bring up the emoji panel when she arrows around the emojis are spoken out correctly She presses the enter key on the one she wants it is then inserted into the email. Then she will press the escape key to close the panel So if she types more and then adds more text and emojis it is not until  it is when she goes to review the email it says 12 in place of the emoji.


So the example would be I saw a emoji police car today and a fire emoji engine down the street.

The word emoji is not spoken out but it was more to let you know it was in the email.


so when she goes to read it back with the arrow keys she gets the following in the email.

So the example would be I saw a 12today and 12down the street.


She is using Windows 10 and nvda 2021.2. I think she said it also happened in word when she went to review the document where she had inserted them.


Those settings were checked you gave. I have told her what to do about setting to debug level recreating the problem in the program and sending me back the log so I can do a ticket.


She said when some one sends her a email with emojis in it they are spoken out correctly but not in the part where you type stuff inserting a emoji then reading back the email to send it that is where the problem is. She does not have a braille display she is hearing it.

Apparently I have seen 2 or 3 others on the list with the same problem in the thread.


Gene nz






On 29/09/2021 2:13 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
On the voice settings page (NVDA+control+v) you want to enable "Include Unicode Consortium data (including emoji) when processing characters and symbols"


"When this checkbox is checked, NVDA will include additional symbol pronunciation dictionaries when pronouncing characters and symbols. These dictionaries contain descriptions for symbols (particularly emoji) that are provided by the Unicode Consortium as part of their Common Locale Data Repository. If you want NVDA to speak descriptions of emoji characters based on this data, you should enable this option. However, if you are using a speech synthesizer that supports speaking emoji descriptions natively, you may wish to turn this off.

Note that manually added or edited character descriptions are saved as part of your user settings. Therefore, if you change the description of a particular emoji, your custom description will be spoken for that emoji regardless of whether this option is enabled. You can add, edit or remove symbol descriptions in NVDA's punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog.

To toggle Unicode Consortium data inclusion from anywhere, please assign a custom gesture using the Input Gestures dialog."

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 8:42 AM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


Has any one had the following problem using outlook? when after
inserting a emoji when you go to read back what you have typed in the
email it says 12 instead of the name of the emoji.


They are using windows 10 not sure which version yet and to make sure I
am going to get her to update nvda she might already have I will find
out shortly.


The below is what she said and I have no answer about saying emoji
before it.


But, weirdly, when I select them and read back over that spot it just
says 12 where each one is.  Then if I send the e-mail and someone
replies I can read them if I scroll down to my original e-mail.  Emojis
from other people are reading fine.

Is this a setting I need to change in NVDA or is it something to do with
my rather outdated 2013 version of outlook.  And can I set NVDA to say
emoji when it reads one so I know it isn’t part of the text if it is a
bit random.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Emoji saying 12 in outlook not saying the name

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Quentin


The lady I have been talking to via email say what happens  goes like this.


she goes into outlook and does a new email. In the body of the email she will type up some stuff. If then she uses the Windows key + . to bring up the emoji panel when she arrows around the emojis are spoken out correctly She presses the enter key on the one she wants it is then inserted into the email. Then she will press the escape key to close the panel So if she types more and then adds more text and emojis it is not until  it is when she goes to review the email it says 12 in place of the emoji.


So the example would be I saw a emoji police car today and a fire emoji engine down the street.

The word emoji is not spoken out but it was more to let you know it was in the email.


so when she goes to read it back with the arrow keys she gets the following in the email.

So the example would be I saw a 12today and 12down the street.


She is using Windows 10 and nvda 2021.2. I think she said it also happened in word when she went to review the document where she had inserted them.


Those settings were checked you gave. I have told her what to do about setting to debug level recreating the problem in the program and sending me back the log so I can do a ticket.


She said when some one sends her a email with emojis in it they are spoken out correctly but not in the part where you type stuff inserting a emoji then reading back the email to send it that is where the problem is. She does not have a braille display she is hearing it.

Apparently I have seen 2 or 3 others on the list with the same problem in the thread.


Gene nz






On 29/09/2021 2:13 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
On the voice settings page (NVDA+control+v) you want to enable "Include Unicode Consortium data (including emoji) when processing characters and symbols"


"When this checkbox is checked, NVDA will include additional symbol pronunciation dictionaries when pronouncing characters and symbols. These dictionaries contain descriptions for symbols (particularly emoji) that are provided by the Unicode Consortium as part of their Common Locale Data Repository. If you want NVDA to speak descriptions of emoji characters based on this data, you should enable this option. However, if you are using a speech synthesizer that supports speaking emoji descriptions natively, you may wish to turn this off.

Note that manually added or edited character descriptions are saved as part of your user settings. Therefore, if you change the description of a particular emoji, your custom description will be spoken for that emoji regardless of whether this option is enabled. You can add, edit or remove symbol descriptions in NVDA's punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog.

To toggle Unicode Consortium data inclusion from anywhere, please assign a custom gesture using the Input Gestures dialog."

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 8:42 AM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


Has any one had the following problem using outlook? when after
inserting a emoji when you go to read back what you have typed in the
email it says 12 instead of the name of the emoji.


They are using windows 10 not sure which version yet and to make sure I
am going to get her to update nvda she might already have I will find
out shortly.


The below is what she said and I have no answer about saying emoji
before it.


But, weirdly, when I select them and read back over that spot it just
says 12 where each one is.  Then if I send the e-mail and someone
replies I can read them if I scroll down to my original e-mail.  Emojis
from other people are reading fine.

Is this a setting I need to change in NVDA or is it something to do with
my rather outdated 2013 version of outlook.  And can I set NVDA to say
emoji when it reads one so I know it isn’t part of the text if it is a
bit random.


Re: Emoji saying 12 in outlook not saying the name

Quentin Christensen
 

On the voice settings page (NVDA+control+v) you want to enable "Include Unicode Consortium data (including emoji) when processing characters and symbols"


"When this checkbox is checked, NVDA will include additional symbol pronunciation dictionaries when pronouncing characters and symbols. These dictionaries contain descriptions for symbols (particularly emoji) that are provided by the Unicode Consortium as part of their Common Locale Data Repository. If you want NVDA to speak descriptions of emoji characters based on this data, you should enable this option. However, if you are using a speech synthesizer that supports speaking emoji descriptions natively, you may wish to turn this off.

Note that manually added or edited character descriptions are saved as part of your user settings. Therefore, if you change the description of a particular emoji, your custom description will be spoken for that emoji regardless of whether this option is enabled. You can add, edit or remove symbol descriptions in NVDA's punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog.

To toggle Unicode Consortium data inclusion from anywhere, please assign a custom gesture using the Input Gestures dialog."


On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 8:42 AM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


Has any one had the following problem using outlook? when after
inserting a emoji when you go to read back what you have typed in the
email it says 12 instead of the name of the emoji.


They are using windows 10 not sure which version yet and to make sure I
am going to get her to update nvda she might already have I will find
out shortly.


The below is what she said and I have no answer about saying emoji
before it.


But, weirdly, when I select them and read back over that spot it just
says 12 where each one is.  Then if I send the e-mail and someone
replies I can read them if I scroll down to my original e-mail.  Emojis
from other people are reading fine.

Is this a setting I need to change in NVDA or is it something to do with
my rather outdated 2013 version of outlook.  And can I set NVDA to say
emoji when it reads one so I know it isn’t part of the text if it is a
bit random.
_._,_._,_



So it seems she can read emojis in a email but not after it has been
inserted into her email that she types up.


Any ideas?


Gene nz










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA saying form

Sarah k Alawami
 

Funny, I'm not but I think I have that option off. I don't ever remember turning it off though, unless I did it in auto pilot.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 2:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Hi Don and List,

I also an hearing "form, or landmark form" on web pages with edit fields.
This started a week or 2 ago......................................
I am using current version of chrome, win10 20h2 and n v d a 2021.1.
Of course, I am not aware of changing anything.
Just more mutant electrons I guess.

Cheers,

Mont


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: September 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Running the latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 system Something has changed after the update to the latest version of NVDA or maybe the update of a addon.
On a web page if I get to a edit box to enter some data NVDA first announces form. Where do you turn this off?
Thanks


Re: NVDA saying form

benmoxey@...
 

Hey everyone

Totally individual preference regarding whether you find the landmark announcement useful or not. But I thought it might be worth mentioning that you can navigate by landmarks on a webpage by pressing D (for Delta) for those who don't know. If a website developer has used them properly, it can often be a really efficient way to move through content and you might want to know they exist.

All the best.

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2021 9:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Hi David,

I went to the document format under settings and unchecked the blox to announce forms and regions....
Like yourself, it was not checked by me to start; it just started a while ago.
Definitely mutant electrons.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Mehler
Sent: September 28, 2021 4:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Hello,

I am also seeing this behavior. I have not changed any settings between my previous NVDA version and my current one.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 9/28/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t update NVDA using the updater. I generally test new versions
by running portable versions. Since I’m running Windows 7, I don’t
lose any functionality that matters. But if settings are to be
retained by the updater, this setting evidently isn’t. You evidently had it off before.

I checked and the setting is on by default in recent versions. I
don’t know how far back this setting has existed. Since you didn’t
hear form and out of form announced, at some point, you turned the
setting off. If it should be retained by the updater and isn’t, this
bug should be corrected. This setting also announces landmarks and I
wouldn’t be surprised if you wanted to avoid that verbosity as well.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form

I don’t know if this setting used to be checked by default in NVDA.
The setting to change is in document formatting. Uncheck the check
box that says announce landmarks and regions.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Hi Don and List,

I also an hearing "form, or landmark form" on web pages with edit fields.
This started a week or 2 ago......................................
I am using current version of chrome, win10 20h2 and n v d a 2021.1.
Of course, I am not aware of changing anything.
Just more mutant electrons I guess.

Cheers,

Mont


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: September 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Running the latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 system
Something has changed after the update to the latest version of NVDA
or maybe the update of a addon.
On a web page if I get to a edit box to enter some data NVDA first
announces form. Where do you turn this off?
Thanks















Re: NVDA saying form

Monte Single
 

Hi David,

I went to the document format under settings and unchecked the blox to announce forms and regions....
Like yourself, it was not checked by me to start; it just started a while ago.
Definitely mutant electrons.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Mehler
Sent: September 28, 2021 4:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Hello,

I am also seeing this behavior. I have not changed any settings between my previous NVDA version and my current one.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 9/28/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t update NVDA using the updater. I generally test new versions
by running portable versions. Since I’m running Windows 7, I don’t
lose any functionality that matters. But if settings are to be
retained by the updater, this setting evidently isn’t. You evidently had it off before.

I checked and the setting is on by default in recent versions. I
don’t know how far back this setting has existed. Since you didn’t
hear form and out of form announced, at some point, you turned the
setting off. If it should be retained by the updater and isn’t, this
bug should be corrected. This setting also announces landmarks and I
wouldn’t be surprised if you wanted to avoid that verbosity as well.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form

I don’t know if this setting used to be checked by default in NVDA.
The setting to change is in document formatting. Uncheck the check
box that says announce landmarks and regions.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Hi Don and List,

I also an hearing "form, or landmark form" on web pages with edit fields.
This started a week or 2 ago......................................
I am using current version of chrome, win10 20h2 and n v d a 2021.1.
Of course, I am not aware of changing anything.
Just more mutant electrons I guess.

Cheers,

Mont


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: September 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Running the latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 system
Something has changed after the update to the latest version of NVDA
or maybe the update of a addon.
On a web page if I get to a edit box to enter some data NVDA first
announces form. Where do you turn this off?
Thanks















Re: NVDA saying form

David Mehler
 

Hello,

I am also seeing this behavior. I have not changed any settings
between my previous NVDA version and my current one.

Thanks.
Dave.

On 9/28/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t update NVDA using the updater. I generally test new versions by
running portable versions. Since I’m running Windows 7, I don’t lose any
functionality that matters. But if settings are to be retained by the
updater, this setting evidently isn’t. You evidently had it off before.

I checked and the setting is on by default in recent versions. I don’t know
how far back this setting has existed. Since you didn’t hear form and out
of form announced, at some point, you turned the setting off. If it should
be retained by the updater and isn’t, this bug should be corrected. This
setting also announces landmarks and I wouldn’t be surprised if you wanted
to avoid that verbosity as well.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form

I don’t know if this setting used to be checked by default in NVDA. The
setting to change is in document formatting. Uncheck the check box that
says announce landmarks and regions.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Hi Don and List,

I also an hearing "form, or landmark form" on web pages with edit fields.
This started a week or 2 ago......................................
I am using current version of chrome, win10 20h2 and n v d a 2021.1.
Of course, I am not aware of changing anything.
Just more mutant electrons I guess.

Cheers,

Mont


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: September 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Running the latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 system Something has
changed after the update to the latest version of NVDA or maybe the update
of a addon.
On a web page if I get to a edit box to enter some data NVDA first announces
form. Where do you turn this off?
Thanks















Re: NVDA saying form

Gene
 

I don’t update NVDA using the updater.  I generally test new versions by running portable versions.  Since I’m running Windows 7, I don’t lose any functionality that matters.  But if settings are to be retained by the updater, this setting evidently isn’t.  You evidently had it off before.
 
I checked and the setting is on by default in recent versions.  I don’t know how far back this setting has existed.  Since you didn’t hear form and out of form announced, at some point, you turned the setting off.  If it should be retained by the updater and isn’t, this bug should be corrected.  This setting also announces landmarks and I wouldn’t be surprised if you wanted to avoid that verbosity as well.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form
 
I don’t know if this setting used to be checked by default in NVDA.  The setting to change is in document formatting.  Uncheck the check box that says announce landmarks and regions. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form
 
Hi Don and List,

I also an hearing "form, or landmark form"  on web pages with edit fields.
This started a week or 2 ago......................................
I am using current version of chrome, win10 20h2 and n v d a 2021.1.
Of course, I am not aware of changing anything.
Just more mutant electrons I guess.

Cheers,

Mont


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: September 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Running the latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 system Something has changed after the update to the latest version of NVDA or maybe the update of a addon.
On a web page if I get to a edit box to enter some data NVDA first announces form.  Where do you turn this off?
Thanks










Re: NVDA saying form

Gene
 

I don’t know if this setting used to be checked by default in NVDA.  The setting to change is in document formatting.  Uncheck the check box that says announce landmarks and regions. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying form
 
Hi Don and List,

I also an hearing "form, or landmark form"  on web pages with edit fields.
This started a week or 2 ago......................................
I am using current version of chrome, win10 20h2 and n v d a 2021.1.
Of course, I am not aware of changing anything.
Just more mutant electrons I guess.

Cheers,

Mont


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: September 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Running the latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 system Something has changed after the update to the latest version of NVDA or maybe the update of a addon.
On a web page if I get to a edit box to enter some data NVDA first announces form.  Where do you turn this off?
Thanks










Re: NVDA saying form

Monte Single
 

Hi Don and List,

I also an hearing "form, or landmark form" on web pages with edit fields.
This started a week or 2 ago......................................
I am using current version of chrome, win10 20h2 and n v d a 2021.1.
Of course, I am not aware of changing anything.
Just more mutant electrons I guess.

Cheers,

Mont

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: September 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA saying form

Running the latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 system Something has changed after the update to the latest version of NVDA or maybe the update of a addon.
On a web page if I get to a edit box to enter some data NVDA first announces form. Where do you turn this off?
Thanks


NVDA saying form

Don H
 

Running the latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 system
Something has changed after the update to the latest version of NVDA or maybe the update of a addon.
On a web page if I get to a edit box to enter some data NVDA first announces form. Where do you turn this off?
Thanks


locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

 

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 04:15 PM, Gene wrote:
I suggest that if you want to discuss the subject further, it be moved to the chat list.
-
And I heartily agree.  The main reason I started this topic was because the situation is pertinent to all of our abilities to use Groups.io as it was intended.  I am aware that there is variability among email providers as to how spam is marked and handled, and that was really never supposed to be a part of this particular conversation.  But I'm just as guilty as anyone else of getting sucked down that rabbit hole.

My final comment is, please, if you get a message from Groups.io saying you've been unsubscribed for marking a message as spam, and you have not done so yourself (whether by accident or intention), please unmark it and/or contact your email service provider asking that groups.io be whitelisted, since it's a subscription only service.

Further discussion on spam handling in general should be taken to the Chat Subgroup.  This topic is now locked.

NVDA Chat Subgroup Archive:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/chat/topics

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To join:  chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

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To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web):  chat+nomail@nvda.groups.io

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the addresses below to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group messages individually:  chat+single@nvda.groups.io

This is the default delivery unless you send a message to one of the addresses that follows.

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To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:  chat+summary@nvda.groups.io

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locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Gene
 

I suggest that if you want to discuss the subject further, it be moved to the chat list.  I have never had many messages wrongly directed to the GMail spam folder.  Different people may have different experiences.  Also, if you go to the spam folder for your account online and tell GMail which messages aren’t spam, over time, you will have fewer and fewer messages mistakenly sent there.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 
I'm sure it's gmail doing it, because when I used windows live mail with my
Optimum account, there were hardly any messages in the spam folder, just one
or two, every once-in-a-while.  I wish I could turn off the gmail spam
filter.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do
#adminnotice

Because you get groups.io messages in your GMail spam folder but you
haven't been unsubscribed, that strengthens my suspicion that GMail
doesn't report messages it marks as spam to the source of the message.
If true, this may save group members considerable trouble.


Gene

On 9/28/2021 12:06 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
> I get them in there all the time.  I have no idea how gmail decides
> something is spam.  Pam.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jackie
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do
> #adminnotice
>
> I use the GMail interface, and I don't recall *ever* having a
> groups.io message in my spam folder. I wonder what would cause that,
> as groups.io has all its dns records in place & its reputation is
> beyond stellar.
>
> On 9/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you
>>> do
>>> this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam
>>> filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message
>>> in
>>> the program’s spam folder.
>>
>> -
>> Gene,
>>
>> It depends on the e-mail client and how it interacts with Gmail (or any
>> server, really).  Some send the request to the server, and the moving
>> happens on the server side and gets synchronized back to the client,
>> while
>> others do it locally having zero impact on the server side.
>>
>> When it comes to Gmail, because of the above, I tend to use the webmail
>> interface when it comes to filtering as I know that whatever is set up on
>> Gmail's server will carry over to any email client that connects to it,
>> while the reverse is not necessarily true.
>>
>> I can't explain what's going on with Louise, unless her email client of
>> choice has its own spam filter (much like Thunderbird's junk filter)
>> that's
>> post-processing everything that comes in.
>> --
>>
>> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043
>>
>> Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
>> conscientious stupidity.
>>
>> ~Martin Luther King, Jr.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>






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locked Re: Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

Pamela Dominguez
 

I have never been unsubscribed from anything, that way.  But I have, very occasionally, been unsubbed from things without a plausible reason.  Pam.
 

Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice
 

I think if you hit the delete key from the spam folder, it might unsubscribe you, I'm not sure. There was a huge discussion in that regard 2 years ago but I remember not how it went. And, most of us were on Gmail if I recall.


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On 28 Sep 2021, at 10:28, Gene wrote:

Because you get groups.io messages in your GMail spam folder but you haven't been unsubscribed, that strengthens my suspicion that GMail doesn't report messages it marks as spam to the source of the message.  If true, this may save group members considerable trouble.


Gene

On 9/28/2021 12:06 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

I get them in there all the time.  I have no idea how gmail decides something is spam.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Jackie
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messages Being Marked As Spam - What You Can Do #adminnotice

I use the GMail interface, and I don't recall *ever* having a
groups.io message in my spam folder. I wonder what would cause that,
as groups.io has all its dns records in place & its reputation is
beyond stellar.

On 9/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:07 PM, Gene wrote:

My guess is that you aren’t doing anything that affects GMail when you do
this in the client.  Mhy guess is that your program is running a spam
filter and you are telling the program itself not to place the message in
the program’s spam folder.

-
Gene,

It depends on the e-mail client and how it interacts with Gmail (or any
server, really).  Some send the request to the server, and the moving
happens on the server side and gets synchronized back to the client, while
others do it locally having zero impact on the server side.

When it comes to Gmail, because of the above, I tend to use the webmail
interface when it comes to filtering as I know that whatever is set up on
Gmail's server will carry over to any email client that connects to it,
while the reverse is not necessarily true.

I can't explain what's going on with Louise, unless her email client of
choice has its own spam filter (much like Thunderbird's junk filter) that's
post-processing everything that comes in.
--

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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity.

~Martin Luther King, Jr.








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