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Using a Braille edge with NVDA

Hess, John (DEED) <john.hess@...>
 

Good day to all. I have set up the Braille edge 40 with the latest release of NVDA on a windows 7 machine and I can read the output of the machine however none of the controls on the display do anything. I am not able to move through menus or text. I am using the latest hims driver. Is this the way it’s supposed to work and if not, what am I missing?

 


FORMATTING IN EXCEL

Christo Vorster
 

Hi list

 

I have been wondering whether it would be possible for the NVDA developers to assist me with the following.

 

When working in EXCEL NVDA tells me when I pressed CTRL+B, CTRL+I or CTRL+U. Would it be possible to have NVDA sy “bold, italics or underline”.

 

At our college we often work with students who are real novices on computer and it is important for them to know that they used the correct keystrokes.

 

Something else that poses a slight problem in EXCEL, is that NVDA doesn’t always read the cell address when you navigate with the arrows or ENTER. When there is text in the cell, NVDA usually reads the text and announces the cell address, but when it is blank, dead silence greets me.

 

Please help us.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

 

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Windows 10 app essentials

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Hello all,

I just now installed the windows 10 app essentials addon. So far, I'm liking what I'm seeing. Is there anywhere where I can get a tutorial on how it works? I know, I should've done this ages ago.

Ben


Re: OpenOffice?

 

hi.
i use libreoffice but i have incompatibility with persian and arabic diacritics.
and unfortunately jarte does not support my language,
do you know another free replacement for microsoft office which can
support unicode and also accessible with nvda and supports say all?

On 9/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Be aware that the pro version I have also has access which seems to lock up,

and for many applications like Xcell, it can be better to use a more modern

version. Also download the file format converters in case you get sent any
of the formats with x on the end. I notice these are still getting updates,

but you have to find a copy of the service pack for 2002, if you want nvda
to work with it and indeed to have file format converters work with it or so

it appears. One other thing to note is that win 10 seems to be always
attempting to download updates to it, which Microsoft have removed from the

web. One would have thought their system would have been inteligent enough
to realise this without going on and finding it not there!


Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice?


Hmmm so office xp though quite old does work?
That for me may be a solution, I do not need office's crazy crazyness
that has been going.
office xp is old and insecure but the cd was brought by my highschool for

me, and that cd was given to me, the code was given to me and it is
mine.
To be honest though if someone offered me office I may still take it.
My dad has office on the home use program from his work 2013 2016 and 2010

as he upgraded from those.
Technically I could get his old ones, its not exactly legal but I am not
posting company keys and no one is the wiser.
I will have to reset office 2010 and maybe other keys on ms support and
such but it may be the way to go.
It does appear that www.cheapaussiesoftware.com where I get some stuff
has office volumes they sell off piecemeal.
You can still buy office 2007 for round 200 bucks.
In fact the only full prices are the latest versions.
I am seriously thinking of either 2010 or 2007 if I have to buy.
I don't need the latest I do wish we had an office program that worked
though that was not ms.
I don't use tables, in fact the only reason I use jarte is to read
incoming doc docx or rtf documents.
Jarte is a liteweight word processer based on the wordpad engine, its not

office it states this.
I mostly use html, audio and other things.
The nature of my work though does not involve an office app.
Now if only libre or openoffice can work without hassle because I was
really hoping I could go for either of those packages.
Right now I could probably go for a new version of office but thats
assuming its only 2-300 bucks so it will have to be cracked, old or just
not new.
That assumes that something like an external hdd doesn't break or
something.
As of now, one of my phone units is on the way out, I am looking to a
range of between 70 to 20 dollars, so thats potentially 100 bucks I can't

use for things.
And while I have forked out on small things like a few games and music
things, I need to fork out cash for one of the networked workstations.
I have just this year forked out cash on 2 drives that died and a new
keyboard.
I fell into that trap last year when my phone died as well as another
drive which itself then died promptly after I got it.
I also need to update one of my hubs because the hardware on my wrig just

doesn't have the power to run with the full use of the hub.
Living at home does help and will help for a bit but I really want to
avoid core upgrades, its one reason I have not moved from win10 just yet

but who knows if and when I get my laptop, I may spend the oem cost to get

a key for the unit's whatever office its got loaded.
I realise it will be firmware tied but oh well that may be better than
nothing.




On 17/09/2016 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Symphony was the core code which libra and Open are based around as far
as I know.
Jarte has issues with tables.
I recently was sent tabular word doc and it ended up as one big lump of
text, which in some ways is fine, but I hate to imagine what that might
look like when printed out in Jarte.


Believe it or not even word 2002 seems to work in windows 10 as long as
you put sp 3 in as well.


I said this before. I personally feel that Microsoft makes changes for
changes sake in office suites. OK the newer file formats can be useful
but to me they are just a bolt on and ribbon menus were a step back for
people who want to work logically from hierarchical menus.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
<sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice?


Hmmm I really wish those things worked together.
The way office is going, its causing loads of issues, the best version
seems to be 2007 or 2010 as long as you don't have to uninstall it.
I have jarte for a wordprocesser.
I am unsure but there was a program called lotus symphony, true thats
not developed anymore but if that works well.



On 16/09/2016 11:25 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.io wrote:
Hi,


For my use, OpenOffice is even worse than LibreOffice.

It appears that those suites and NVDA have some form of
incompatibility
because when used together, both become unstable.

In LibreOffice, working with a very complex spreadsheet for some time
causes NVDA to stop talking (using F2 to reestablish things don't
work).

In some cases, Calc totally stops responding.

Calculations with very large chunks of data (as adding cells of wntire
columns become VERY SLOW).

Change spreadsheets with PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP have strange results:
instead of speaking the name of the spreadsheet, sometimes NVDA
becomes
mute.

NVDA+SPACE don't work.

And so on...

I used MS Office some time ago in a friend computer and was amazed how
well NVDA and MS suite function together, but I can't afford buying
Office :(



Em 16/09/2016 05:29, Brian's Mail list account escreveu:
I'm a bit out of touch, but does Libra and Open Office still have the
read whole document issue with nvda?
Ie it will stop before theend.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.io"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice?


no, these days are long gone.

On 15/09/2016 17:22, Dan Beaver wrote:
Does OpenOffice not need Java accessbridge now?


It used to and I found it less than reliable.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver










.




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Re: VLC alternative?

 

hi.
i tried vlc and i faced very accessibility issues.
after trying many programs and search in the internet, i found
potplayer the best!
www.daumpotplayer.com

On 9/20/16, RealTalk <realtalk.pr@gmail.com> wrote:
I would definitely use Winamp, Foobar2000 works nicely as well, but you have
to do some configuration first.

On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, it’s winamp 5.66 Speaking of winamp. How does one make winamp the
default player. I am using windows 7. 64 bit. I know you go to audible and
do it that way. I did that. but when I go to play a file windows media
player still comes up. I want winamp to play. I can’t remember the life
of me how I got winamp to be default. I’m senile. Thanks. I know with this
7 box it gets windows media player stuck in its craw that it has to be
default. When you try to get it to have winamp as default. With my past
computer all I had to do was go to a radio station that used winamp. And
it asked if you wanted winamp as default. I’d say yes then it stayed
winamp. Same with windows media player. But this computer it seems to stay
stuck on windows media player no matter what I do. I’ll have to uninstall
and reinstall winamp hoping that does the trick. Sorry for the long
message.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter
Beasley
Sent: September-19-16 4:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

or Tom Lorrimer’s website www.whitestick.co.uk

From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

You can find winamp, I think it is version 5.6 on the audio page of;

www.Jaws-users.com

lots of apps and utils on that website.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Oliver
Sent: September-18-16 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

If you hunt around on the net, you can still aquire winamp and use that.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert
Kingett
Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 23:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] VLC alternative?

I am looking for an NVDA accessible player that can basically play as many
file types as VLC as well as podcasts and internet radio. There are a lot
of inaccessible elements about VLC so does anyone have an alternative?



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Re: Antivirus

Gene
 

Such rumors about inaccessibility are just that, rumors.  They are absurd on their face. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

I don't agree with you on this.
Its true, some of us are happy where we are.
However not all systems that were offered the update could take
advantage of it.
Not everyone has the most updated software and or hardware.
Not to put a to sharp point it, the reason the update was hated was that
microsoft! forced! the! upgrade! on! users!!!!!!!
They forced this update on us and gave us little choice in the matter.
Ofcause we hated it.
They basically put spyware on our systems to install it and while it
worked for a multi device setup and while those that couldn't afford it
like some of my family took advantage of the free offer.
There were those that were caught out.
Those that had to replace their hardware and many law suits against
microsoft for an update that they neither wanted or could handle or needed.
As it stands, windows 10's goal of universal apps and a unified account
is only good if you.
1.  have or use an ms account all the time including but not limited to
use another device like a tablet all the time and don't mind.
or 2 want to jump in and get something new maybe with new hardware.
I have seen situations where its been the best thing.
However in some situations things still go with it.
I know that after working on those units that use it when I return to my
win7 based machines I find them easy to navigate etc.
There are also disquieting rumors going on that win10 will eventually
become inaccessible to everything excluding microsoft narator which it
appears ms is bribing people to say doesn't suck.
In reality, narator was crap before, and continues to be so, it was
before and its worse now.
Microsoft is unlikely to make it better no matter what guff it states.
I am seriously going to have to get a legal old unit to stay legal or
simple just not be legal at all if this continues.
There is no need to change things.
True the next high end hardware packages may not support 10 but we are
talking about 6th and 7th generation hardware up.
There is enough 5th and 4th generation stuff right now that I could care
less what os I use.
And while microsoft does accept feadback, the fact now the hype has gone
as far as I care, windows 10 is just another slightly better version of
windows 8 or vista or me, its junk.
Not all of it but enough of it is and with the anniversery update it can
be worse.
Things like edge don't work out the box and with ms holding that close
to their chest a lot of manufacturers just don't support it or care anymore.
Windows as a service sounds nice so does a lot of the tech around it, in
reality though some stuff like universal apps, the new intergrated
account system, edge and a few other things are just not ready for
primetime.
And its worse for those of us with single machines, older hardware and
or don't use a tablet.
I am one of those, we have a new computer using 10 though the rest don't.
I have family and friends using things to as far as they can go and
enjoying it.
I am happy that microsoft is no longer forcing users.



On 21/09/2016 8:12 p.m., Alexander Masic wrote:
> I have also see that many complain about the upgrade, however no one has
> present good argument for that. The mayor problem is that people are to
> laysy learning new thing.
>
>
>
>
> Den 2016-09-21 kl. 08:30, skrev Gene:
>> Are you stating a hypothetical situation or something you know to be
>> the case?  Does she need a new computer?  If so, she may want to get a
>> Windows 10 machine.  But you can get new computers that are not
>> Windows 10 machines.  You can still buy Windows computers that are
>> business machines that have Windows 7 on them.  And you can get
>> refurbished machines from computers for the blind that have Windows 7
>> on them.  I don't know what Pauline's situation is.  She talked about
>> upgrading to Windows 10.  that kind of phrase is usually used by
>> someone who is considering upgrading an existing computer to Windows
>> 10.  But I don't know what her situation is nor what she has in mind.
>> I'm not advocating upgrading or not upgrading.  I'm simply saying that
>> Microsoft has offered Windows 10 as a free upgrade and hyped Windows
>> 10.  I've seen enough people who have upgraded and had mild or more
>> serious regrets to simply say that the decision should be considered
>> carefully.  In terms of purchasing a new machine, the person may want
>> to consider her options. Consideration may produce a different
>> conclusion when purchasing a new machine but again, that may be
>> something the person wants to discuss as well.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Arlene <mailto:nedster66@...>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:34 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>>
>> Gene! Let’s just say Pauline Smith <mailto:paulinesmithh@...>
>> desperately needed a new computer! Her previous computer decides to
>> bite the dust. Then if she did get a new one. It will be windows ten.
>> She would probably would need Windows defender that is like MSE. Now,
>> weather she’d want windows ten or wants to update. She and others who
>> purchase a new computer will have windows ten installed.
>>
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *Gene
>> *Sent:* September-20-16 8:29 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>>
>> Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10?  there are
>> reasons to approach doing so with caution.  I won't go into an in
>> depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.
>> Depending on your answer, I may have more comments.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:*Pauline Smith <mailto:paulinesmithh@...>
>>
>> *Sent:*Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM
>>
>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>>
>> Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender.  With this
>> information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon.  I think I will
>> get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.
>>
>>
>> Thanks, again for the Defender info.
>>
>>
>> Pauline
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
>> > Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten.
>> From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes
>> it works just like MSE from what I heard.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
>> > Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
>> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>> >
>> > Hello Pauline:
>> >
>> > Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.
>> >
>> > Stanley
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
>> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>> >
>> > This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to
>> Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no
>> longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.
>> >
>> >
>> > Pauline
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
>> >> Hi.
>> >>
>> >> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The
>> 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically
>> to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very
>> good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender
>> locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to
>> Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers.
>> >>
>> >>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
>> <wsautodidata@...
>> <mailto:wsautodidata@...>> escribió:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
>> accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>> >>>
>> >>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with
>> NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
>> usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
>> problems.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed
>> with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot
>> configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from
>> someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>> >>>
>> >>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Antivirus

Gene
 

I would suggest you look at articles written by reputable computer advisors about the reasons people may want to upgrade or not upgrade.  Windows 10 is much more picky about drivers.  Devices that work in Windows 7 may not work if Windows 10 drivers are not available.  the new Windows 10 anniversary update has caused serious problems for some users.  Many users, I'm talking about sighted and blind users, have been able to solve these problems, some can't.  Some people object to the additional information Windows 10- collects. 
 
Media Center is gone in Windows 10.  That is another reason some people may not want to upgrade.  Your statement about not wanting to learn is faar too broad a generalization.  While some people may not be willing to learn the changes, there are many people who are dissatisfied with Windows 10 for other reasons. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

I have also see that many complain about the upgrade, however no one has present good argument for that. The mayor problem is that people are to laysy learning new thing.




Den 2016-09-21 kl. 08:30, skrev Gene:
Are you stating a hypothetical situation or something you know to be the case?  Does she need a new computer?  If so, she may want to get a Windows 10 machine.  But you can get new computers that are not Windows 10 machines.  You can still buy Windows computers that are business machines that have Windows 7 on them.  And you can get refurbished machines from computers for the blind that have Windows 7 on them.  I don't know what Pauline's situation is.  She talked about upgrading to Windows 10.  that kind of phrase is usually used by someone who is considering upgrading an existing computer to Windows 10.  But I don't know what her situation is nor what she has in mind. 
 
I'm not advocating upgrading or not upgrading.  I'm simply saying that Microsoft has offered Windows 10 as a free upgrade and hyped Windows 10.  I've seen enough people who have upgraded and had mild or more serious regrets to simply say that the decision should be considered carefully.  In terms of purchasing a new machine, the person may want to consider her options.  Consideration may produce a different conclusion when purchasing a new machine but again, that may be something the person wants to discuss as well. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Gene! Let’s just say Pauline Smith desperately needed a new computer! Her previous computer decides to bite the dust. Then if she did get a new one. It will be windows ten. She would probably would need Windows defender that is like MSE. Now, weather she’d want windows ten or wants to update. She and others who purchase a new computer will have windows ten installed. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-20-16 8:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10?  there are reasons to approach doing so with caution.  I won't go into an in depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.  Depending on your answer, I may have more comments. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender.  With this
information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon.  I think I will
get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
> Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
> Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> Hello Pauline:
>
> Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.
>
> Stanley
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.
>
>
> Pauline
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>>
>>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>>
>>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Antivirus

 

I don't agree with you on this.
Its true, some of us are happy where we are.
However not all systems that were offered the update could take advantage of it.
Not everyone has the most updated software and or hardware.
Not to put a to sharp point it, the reason the update was hated was that microsoft! forced! the! upgrade! on! users!!!!!!!
They forced this update on us and gave us little choice in the matter.
Ofcause we hated it.
They basically put spyware on our systems to install it and while it worked for a multi device setup and while those that couldn't afford it like some of my family took advantage of the free offer.
There were those that were caught out.
Those that had to replace their hardware and many law suits against microsoft for an update that they neither wanted or could handle or needed.
As it stands, windows 10's goal of universal apps and a unified account is only good if you.
1. have or use an ms account all the time including but not limited to use another device like a tablet all the time and don't mind.
or 2 want to jump in and get something new maybe with new hardware.
I have seen situations where its been the best thing.
However in some situations things still go with it.
I know that after working on those units that use it when I return to my win7 based machines I find them easy to navigate etc.
There are also disquieting rumors going on that win10 will eventually become inaccessible to everything excluding microsoft narator which it appears ms is bribing people to say doesn't suck.
In reality, narator was crap before, and continues to be so, it was before and its worse now.
Microsoft is unlikely to make it better no matter what guff it states.
I am seriously going to have to get a legal old unit to stay legal or simple just not be legal at all if this continues.
There is no need to change things.
True the next high end hardware packages may not support 10 but we are talking about 6th and 7th generation hardware up.
There is enough 5th and 4th generation stuff right now that I could care less what os I use.
And while microsoft does accept feadback, the fact now the hype has gone as far as I care, windows 10 is just another slightly better version of windows 8 or vista or me, its junk.
Not all of it but enough of it is and with the anniversery update it can be worse.
Things like edge don't work out the box and with ms holding that close to their chest a lot of manufacturers just don't support it or care anymore.
Windows as a service sounds nice so does a lot of the tech around it, in reality though some stuff like universal apps, the new intergrated account system, edge and a few other things are just not ready for primetime.
And its worse for those of us with single machines, older hardware and or don't use a tablet.
I am one of those, we have a new computer using 10 though the rest don't.
I have family and friends using things to as far as they can go and enjoying it.
I am happy that microsoft is no longer forcing users.

On 21/09/2016 8:12 p.m., Alexander Masic wrote:
I have also see that many complain about the upgrade, however no one has
present good argument for that. The mayor problem is that people are to
laysy learning new thing.




Den 2016-09-21 kl. 08:30, skrev Gene:
Are you stating a hypothetical situation or something you know to be
the case? Does she need a new computer? If so, she may want to get a
Windows 10 machine. But you can get new computers that are not
Windows 10 machines. You can still buy Windows computers that are
business machines that have Windows 7 on them. And you can get
refurbished machines from computers for the blind that have Windows 7
on them. I don't know what Pauline's situation is. She talked about
upgrading to Windows 10. that kind of phrase is usually used by
someone who is considering upgrading an existing computer to Windows
10. But I don't know what her situation is nor what she has in mind.
I'm not advocating upgrading or not upgrading. I'm simply saying that
Microsoft has offered Windows 10 as a free upgrade and hyped Windows
10. I've seen enough people who have upgraded and had mild or more
serious regrets to simply say that the decision should be considered
carefully. In terms of purchasing a new machine, the person may want
to consider her options. Consideration may produce a different
conclusion when purchasing a new machine but again, that may be
something the person wants to discuss as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:34 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Gene! Let’s just say Pauline Smith <mailto:paulinesmithh@comcast.net>
desperately needed a new computer! Her previous computer decides to
bite the dust. Then if she did get a new one. It will be windows ten.
She would probably would need Windows defender that is like MSE. Now,
weather she’d want windows ten or wants to update. She and others who
purchase a new computer will have windows ten installed.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* September-20-16 8:29 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10? there are
reasons to approach doing so with caution. I won't go into an in
depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.
Depending on your answer, I may have more comments.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Pauline Smith <mailto:paulinesmithh@comcast.net>

*Sent:*Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender. With this
information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon. I think I will
get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten.
From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7. Yes
it works just like MSE from what I heard.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Hello Pauline:

Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.

Stanley




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to
Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no
longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The
8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically
to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very
good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender
locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to
Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io
<mailto:wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with
NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed
with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot
configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from
someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?
















Re: Antivirus

Alexander Masic
 

I have also see that many complain about the upgrade, however no one has present good argument for that. The mayor problem is that people are to laysy learning new thing.

 



Den 2016-09-21 kl. 08:30, skrev Gene:

Are you stating a hypothetical situation or something you know to be the case?  Does she need a new computer?  If so, she may want to get a Windows 10 machine.  But you can get new computers that are not Windows 10 machines.  You can still buy Windows computers that are business machines that have Windows 7 on them.  And you can get refurbished machines from computers for the blind that have Windows 7 on them.  I don't know what Pauline's situation is.  She talked about upgrading to Windows 10.  that kind of phrase is usually used by someone who is considering upgrading an existing computer to Windows 10.  But I don't know what her situation is nor what she has in mind. 
 
I'm not advocating upgrading or not upgrading.  I'm simply saying that Microsoft has offered Windows 10 as a free upgrade and hyped Windows 10.  I've seen enough people who have upgraded and had mild or more serious regrets to simply say that the decision should be considered carefully.  In terms of purchasing a new machine, the person may want to consider her options.  Consideration may produce a different conclusion when purchasing a new machine but again, that may be something the person wants to discuss as well. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Gene! Let’s just say Pauline Smith desperately needed a new computer! Her previous computer decides to bite the dust. Then if she did get a new one. It will be windows ten. She would probably would need Windows defender that is like MSE. Now, weather she’d want windows ten or wants to update. She and others who purchase a new computer will have windows ten installed. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-20-16 8:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10?  there are reasons to approach doing so with caution.  I won't go into an in depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.  Depending on your answer, I may have more comments. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender.  With this
information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon.  I think I will
get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
> Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
> Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> Hello Pauline:
>
> Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.
>
> Stanley
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.
>
>
> Pauline
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>>
>>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>>
>>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Antivirus

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

In the end we are all individuals andit does depend on how you use your connection as to whether a particular solution is a good choice. as I and others have said many times. Often when a new threat comes along there has to be some who get clobbered by it before companies can build in a defence. its a bit like an arms race.
However many scammers and crooks depend on the unwary and crafty disguising of phishing emails to get people to more or less infect themselves.
Nobody can be 100 percent sure their machine is completely clean, indeed where do you draw the line are tracking cookies malware, are the silly back doors Microsoft use to spy on you malware?

If you say yes, then perhaps you should not be using computers.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Hello,

I, unfortunately, cannot recommend Microsoft to protect from viruses.
Reviews have been middling at best, and I have seen users get issues when
running that.

Personally, I use Sophos Home. It is cloud-based, and works great. It also
has a good web filter. It allows a user to manage up to I believe ten PC's
for no cost. I trust them as they are know in the enterprise space for
delivering good security solutions.

I am considering enabling the wicki feature for our group. I think it would
be good to include some of the most common questions in an FAQ. This would
allow us to point users to that article instead of hashing out our views on
MSE or Windows Defender.

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:11 PM Brian's Mail list account <
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Yes indeed, most even old outlook Express has a tick box for not letting
you
access certain content. if you turn this off, you are going to have to be
more careful, and I am.
Its always a trade off between ease of use and safety. the best safety is
thinking of what you are going to do and taking a sensible decision.
Luckily
I have some clunker machines I can isolate from the network if I really
want
to go to some of the murkier corners of the web.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Gene,

I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials
and
Windows Defender have been "dissed." Even without questioning the
motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that
"the
best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from
infection.
People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections.
I
have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and
personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best"
antivirus and/or security suite programs. Your best offense against
infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where
you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading. If whatever
program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning,
particularly
of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can
even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the
generic "you," not you, personally).

If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as
accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows. Having
the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the
practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion
if you ask me.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the
Universe"





Re: Antivirus

Gene
 

Are you stating a hypothetical situation or something you know to be the case?  Does she need a new computer?  If so, she may want to get a Windows 10 machine.  But you can get new computers that are not Windows 10 machines.  You can still buy Windows computers that are business machines that have Windows 7 on them.  And you can get refurbished machines from computers for the blind that have Windows 7 on them.  I don't know what Pauline's situation is.  She talked about upgrading to Windows 10.  that kind of phrase is usually used by someone who is considering upgrading an existing computer to Windows 10.  But I don't know what her situation is nor what she has in mind. 
 
I'm not advocating upgrading or not upgrading.  I'm simply saying that Microsoft has offered Windows 10 as a free upgrade and hyped Windows 10.  I've seen enough people who have upgraded and had mild or more serious regrets to simply say that the decision should be considered carefully.  In terms of purchasing a new machine, the person may want to consider her options.  Consideration may produce a different conclusion when purchasing a new machine but again, that may be something the person wants to discuss as well. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Gene! Let’s just say Pauline Smith desperately needed a new computer! Her previous computer decides to bite the dust. Then if she did get a new one. It will be windows ten. She would probably would need Windows defender that is like MSE. Now, weather she’d want windows ten or wants to update. She and others who purchase a new computer will have windows ten installed. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-20-16 8:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10?  there are reasons to approach doing so with caution.  I won't go into an in depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.  Depending on your answer, I may have more comments. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender.  With this
information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon.  I think I will
get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
> Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
> Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> Hello Pauline:
>
> Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.
>
> Stanley
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.
>
>
> Pauline
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>>
>>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>>
>>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: Antivirus

 

Well one thing all users still on 7 should be happy about especially if you install optionals, an update was released today from microsoft which removes gwx and at least 8 associated updates for win10.
Since updating today my performance has gone up and the hard drive seems to run quieter.
Even though I had stopped gwx from working microsoft is finally leaving us users alone.
In addition, even though they say that win7 is not the top of their game it has been recieving cumulitive updates as optional role ups.
As well as performance updates for dot net among others as well as system file checker fixes to work with that update.
My point is that while small win7 is still being enhanced.
My major bief around 10 was all the hype round and I was right.
Its a nice system to have but now most of the hype is gone we actually find that win10 is not the system that microsoft said it would be and in some cases its even worse.
Give me a desktop any day.

On 21/09/2016 2:02 p.m., Pauline Smith wrote:
This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to
Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer
use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8
version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically
to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very
good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender
locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to
Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed
with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot
configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help
from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?








.


Re: Antivirus

Arlene
 

Gene! Let’s just say Pauline Smith desperately needed a new computer! Her previous computer decides to bite the dust. Then if she did get a new one. It will be windows ten. She would probably would need Windows defender that is like MSE. Now, weather she’d want windows ten or wants to update. She and others who purchase a new computer will have windows ten installed. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-20-16 8:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10?  there are reasons to approach doing so with caution.  I won't go into an in depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.  Depending on your answer, I may have more comments. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender.  With this
information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon.  I think I will
get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
> Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
> Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> Hello Pauline:
>
> Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.
>
> Stanley
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.
>
>
> Pauline
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>>
>>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>>
>>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: Antivirus

Gene
 

Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10?  there are reasons to approach doing so with caution.  I won't go into an in depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.  Depending on your answer, I may have more comments. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender.  With this
information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon.  I think I will
get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
> Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
> Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> Hello Pauline:
>
> Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.
>
> Stanley
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.
>
>
> Pauline
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> On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
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>>> Hi,
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>>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
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>>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>>
>>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences in this matter?
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Re: Antivirus

Pauline Smith
 

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender. With this information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon. I think I will get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline

On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7. Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Hello Pauline:

Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.

Stanley




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?














Re: Antivirus

Gene
 

It can't be more accessible.  everything in Windows Defender is accessible.  It may be as accessible but it can't be more. 
 
Just about any time I see a statement prefaced with "I heard" or a similar phrase, it's wrong or very misleading.  Experience has shown me that such comments are no more accurate than rumors.  I'm not trying to give anyone a hard time, but be very careful about sources you trust.  Comments that are casually passed around are very suspect.  Trust sources that have proven themselves repeatedly over time.  Be very suspicious of others. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Hello Pauline:

Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.

Stanley




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>
> Cheers.
>
>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>
>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>
>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>
>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>












Re: Antivirus

Arlene
 

Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7. Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Hello Pauline:

Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.

Stanley




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?







Re: Antivirus

Stanley Haupt <bookworm@...>
 

Hello Pauline:

Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.

Stanley

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?







Re: Antivirus

Arlene
 

Hi, if you end up with ten. You can use windows defender. It works like MSE

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: September-20-16 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?







Re: Antivirus

Roger Stewart
 

Yes you can, but they now call it Windows Defender. I'm using Win 10 and I'm running Defender. It has anti virus, anti spyware, and anti malware so it is a complete suite. Can't say just how good it is, but I've never been bitten! Knock on wood! ;-)

Roger

On 9/20/2016 9:02 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:
This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?