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Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Don H
 

After following your instructions the check for updates under the NVDA UI help menu still gives a error.

On 10/2/2021 9:11 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To answer Gene's question: after you enter the text, press Enter, then press Escape to exit Python Console.
To answer Don's question: after following these steps, try checking for NVDA updates right afterwards.
Cheers,
Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

To answer Gene's question: after you enter the text, press Enter, then press Escape to exit Python Console.

To answer Don's question: after following these steps, try checking for NVDA updates right afterwards.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Don H
 

OK after following the instructions you list what is supposed to happen? Can you now use the check for updates under the help menu and get no error?

On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To resolve the error message when checking for updates to NVDA itself, try:
1. Open Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
2. Enter the following AS EXACTLY AS SHOWN:
import updateCheck; updateCheck._updateWindowsRootCertificates()
In order to verify that this issue is specific to NVDA 2021.2, please tell us which NVDA version you are using (please don't say "I'm using the latest version" because "latest version" can mean 2021.2, whatever version you might be using, or the latest alpha build). Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Gene
 

After we enter the text, do we just leave it there or is there a save or execute command?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #AddonRelease
 

Hi,

To resolve the error message when checking for updates to NVDA itself, try:

  1. Open Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Enter the following AS EXACTLY AS SHOWN:

import updateCheck; updateCheck._updateWindowsRootCertificates()

In order to verify that this issue is specific to NVDA 2021.2, please tell us which NVDA version you are using (please don't say "I'm using the latest version" because "latest version" can mean 2021.2, whatever version you might be using, or the latest alpha build). Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Joseph,

thank you for the link to download Addon Updater. It works for me very well.

Jarek

Dne 02.10.2021 v 15:21 Joseph Lee napsal(a):


Hi all,

First, thank you for reporting add-on update error messages. The issue was traced to NVDA not looking for the correct SSL error, possibly caused by expired root certificate from Let’s Encrypt. As a result, Add-on Updater 21.10 was just released (manual download for now):

https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon

IMPORTANT: Add-on Updater 21.10 is a MANDATORY update to anyone using NVDA 2021.1 or later. I cannot backport this to earlier NVDA releases as the add-on uses features introduced in NVDA 2021.1.

In addition to fixing SSL certificate verification error, Add-on Updater 21.10 makes it possible to check for add-on updates after you perform a clean Windows installation without connecting to the Internet and then go online afterwards. This change comes from upcoming NVDA 2021.3 (alpha snapshots at the moment).

I advise applying this update as soon as possible – for now after installing Add-on Updater 21.10, ignore an offer from Add-on Updater to install Add-on Updater 21.09 – I will update this thread once Add-on Updater 21.10 is indeed offered.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

To resolve the error message when checking for updates to NVDA itself, try:

  1. Open Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Enter the following AS EXACTLY AS SHOWN:

import updateCheck; updateCheck._updateWindowsRootCertificates()

In order to verify that this issue is specific to NVDA 2021.2, please tell us which NVDA version you are using (please don't say "I'm using the latest version" because "latest version" can mean 2021.2, whatever version you might be using, or the latest alpha build). Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Gene
 

That’s what I would expect since they aren’t related.  Changing one doesn’t change the other. 
 
It works here, too.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #AddonRelease
 
This did indeed fix the checking for addon updates under the tool menu
of the NVDA UI.  Checking for a NVDA update under the help menu still
causes a error message.

On 10/2/2021 8:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> First, thank you for reporting add-on update error messages. The issue
> was traced to NVDA not looking for the correct SSL error, possibly
> caused by expired root certificate from Let’s Encrypt. As a result,
> Add-on Updater 21.10 was just released (manual download for now):
>
> https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon
> <https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon>
>
> IMPORTANT: Add-on Updater 21.10 is a MANDATORY update to anyone using
> NVDA 2021.1 or later. I cannot backport this to earlier NVDA releases as
> the add-on uses features introduced in NVDA 2021.1.
>
> In addition to fixing SSL certificate verification error, Add-on Updater
> 21.10 makes it possible to check for add-on updates after you perform a
> clean Windows installation without connecting to the Internet and then
> go online afterwards. This change comes from upcoming NVDA 2021.3 (alpha
> snapshots at the moment).
>
> I advise applying this update as soon as possible – for now after
> installing Add-on Updater 21.10, ignore an offer from Add-on Updater to
> install Add-on Updater 21.09 – I will update this thread once Add-on
> Updater 21.10 is indeed offered.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>





Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Don H
 

This did indeed fix the checking for addon updates under the tool menu
of the NVDA UI. Checking for a NVDA update under the help menu still
causes a error message.

On 10/2/2021 8:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi all,

First, thank you for reporting add-on update error messages. The issue
was traced to NVDA not looking for the correct SSL error, possibly
caused by expired root certificate from Let’s Encrypt. As a result,
Add-on Updater 21.10 was just released (manual download for now):

https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon
<https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon>

IMPORTANT: Add-on Updater 21.10 is a MANDATORY update to anyone using
NVDA 2021.1 or later. I cannot backport this to earlier NVDA releases as
the add-on uses features introduced in NVDA 2021.1.

In addition to fixing SSL certificate verification error, Add-on Updater
21.10 makes it possible to check for add-on updates after you perform a
clean Windows installation without connecting to the Internet and then
go online afterwards. This change comes from upcoming NVDA 2021.3 (alpha
snapshots at the moment).

I advise applying this update as soon as possible – for now after
installing Add-on Updater 21.10, ignore an offer from Add-on Updater to
install Add-on Updater 21.09 – I will update this thread once Add-on
Updater 21.10 is indeed offered.

Cheers,

Joseph


Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

First, thank you for reporting add-on update error messages. The issue was traced to NVDA not looking for the correct SSL error, possibly caused by expired root certificate from Let’s Encrypt. As a result, Add-on Updater 21.10 was just released (manual download for now):

https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon

 

IMPORTANT: Add-on Updater 21.10 is a MANDATORY update to anyone using NVDA 2021.1 or later. I cannot backport this to earlier NVDA releases as the add-on uses features introduced in NVDA 2021.1.

 

In addition to fixing SSL certificate verification error, Add-on Updater 21.10 makes it possible to check for add-on updates after you perform a clean Windows installation without connecting to the Internet and then go online afterwards. This change comes from upcoming NVDA 2021.3 (alpha snapshots at the moment).

 

I advise applying this update as soon as possible – for now after installing Add-on Updater 21.10, ignore an offer from Add-on Updater to install Add-on Updater 21.09 – I will update this thread once Add-on Updater 21.10 is indeed offered.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: addon updater

 

Hi,

Someone created an add-on module to do this and posted it on GitHub issue linked earlier. I'm preparing an update to Add-on Updater (21.10) that will catch the correct error, as the issue has to do with NVDA not looking for the right exception.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Microsoft teams with nvda

Øyvind Lode
 

I use Teams with NVDA daily at work.
It works just fine but I prefer the Teams app on my iPhone and usually
join meetings on my phone.
Microsoft has done a good job with both the Windows desktop app and
the iPhone app.

On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 at 09:23, Vlad Dragomir <vladdragomir1983@...> wrote:

Hello,



It would be indeed great to have more details from someone who’s using it regularly. I’ll have to start using Teams for work as well, and I admit I feel a bit nervous. I suppose the fact that there’s no add-on for it is a good sign, it means its accessibility should be at least good enough. I’ll install it soon and try to get familiar with it.



Regards!


Re: Microsoft teams with nvda

Vlad Dragomir
 

Hello,

 

It would be indeed great to have more details from someone who’s using it regularly. I’ll have to start using Teams for work as well, and I admit I feel a bit nervous. I suppose the fact that there’s no add-on for it is a good sign, it means its accessibility should be at least good enough. I’ll install it soon and try to get familiar with it.

 

Regards!


Re: Microsoft teams with nvda

udit pandey
 

teams is verigood with both nvda and jaws as of far I think so that it is good with nvda


Microsoft teams with nvda

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


I have been asked the following question about how well nvda works with Microsoft teams. I do not use it so can not comment.


Are there others on the list who do and how well does it work with it.


I did not see a add on for it so is one not required? unless I missed it on the website. I see there is one for zoom.


I note there is a lot of shortcuts you can use with it so I guess nvda will work with it.


any bugs to look out while using it or is it pretty good.


I did come across this link and teams at https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-microsoft-teams-47614fb0-a583-49f6-84da-6872223e74a0?ui=en-us&rs=en-ie&ad=ie <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-microsoft-teams-47614fb0-a583-49f6-84da-6872223e74a0?ui=en-us&rs=en-ie&ad=ie>

Any help would be good to feed back.


Gene nz


Re: addon updater

 

Hi joseph.
The issue has persisted on my secondary machine on the network but the
cert update command fixed the issue.
I wander in addition to the addon addonupdater being put in, that a
new build of nvda should be released with this change.
I also wander if there should be an option to manually update certs or
maybe an option to automatically check and make sure certs are updated
if it can't check.
Would that add extra processing to the check?
But yeah maybe an addon could be made that just did this or whatever.


On 02/10/2021, inamuddinInam Uddin via groups.io
<charlsdarwin1@...> wrote:
Thank you very much this worked perfect for me.
I forgot putting line command can anyone remind me?
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] addon updater

Hi all,
A possible workaround found: looks like it might be indeed NVDA. The
following suggested workaround is applicable for NVDA 2021.2 or older and/or
if you are running alpha snapshots released earlier than August 12, 2021:
1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
2. Type the following as exactly as shown:
import updateCheck; updateCheck._updateWindowsRootCertificates()
I will do my best to release an Add-on Updater update this weekend in hopes
of resolving this situation - note that the update will be a manual one; if
it works, I'll make it available to the rest of the community next week
(even then, you must apply the update manually if you are impacted).
Cheers,
Joseph








Re: addon updater

inamuddinInam Uddin
 

Thank you very much this worked perfect for me.

I forgot putting line command can anyone remind me?

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

               

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] addon updater

 

Hi all,

A possible workaround found: looks like it might be indeed NVDA. The following suggested workaround is applicable for NVDA 2021.2 or older and/or if you are running alpha snapshots released earlier than August 12, 2021:

  1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
  2. Type the following as exactly as shown:

import updateCheck; updateCheck._updateWindowsRootCertificates()

I will do my best to release an Add-on Updater update this weekend in hopes of resolving this situation - note that the update will be a manual one; if it works, I'll make it available to the rest of the community next week (even then, you must apply the update manually if you are impacted).

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Quick Question About Layout Tables

Jujube
 

Thank you for the info, that's what I wanted to know. Regardless, I've needed layout tables in order to access something more easily, but yeah.


On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 7:21 PM Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Jujube, layout tables are a very antiquated form of designing web
pages. They are now quite depricated, their function long ago having
been replaced by stylesheets.

This is *very* different from tabular data.

On 10/1/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> The option to announce layout tables is off by default in NVDA which further
> supports my guess that they are used for formatting and wouldn’t give useful
> information to the typical user.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jujube
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2021 6:08 PM
> To: NVDA Users List
> Subject: [nvda] Quick Question About Layout Tables
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm just curious about something. What exactly are layout tables and how are
> they different from normal/regular tables? I've found them helpful for
> making some tabular info on the web more accessible, but I'm curious as to
> what they really are. Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Quick Question About Layout Tables

Jackie
 

Jujube, layout tables are a very antiquated form of designing web
pages. They are now quite depricated, their function long ago having
been replaced by stylesheets.

This is *very* different from tabular data.

On 10/1/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
The option to announce layout tables is off by default in NVDA which further
supports my guess that they are used for formatting and wouldn’t give useful
information to the typical user.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jujube
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2021 6:08 PM
To: NVDA Users List
Subject: [nvda] Quick Question About Layout Tables

Hi everyone,

I'm just curious about something. What exactly are layout tables and how are
they different from normal/regular tables? I've found them helpful for
making some tabular info on the web more accessible, but I'm curious as to
what they really are. Thanks.





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Re: Quick Question About Layout Tables

Gene
 

The option to announce layout tables is off by default in NVDA which further supports my guess that they are used for formatting and wouldn’t give useful information to the typical user.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jujube
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2021 6:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] Quick Question About Layout Tables
 
Hi everyone,
 
I'm just curious about something. What exactly are layout tables and how are they different from normal/regular tables? I've found them helpful for making some tabular info on the web more accessible, but I'm curious as to what they really are. Thanks.


Re: Quick Question About Layout Tables

Gene
 

I haven’t looked into the question but my assumption is that they are used for formatting.  I don’t know how widely used they are.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jujube
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2021 6:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] Quick Question About Layout Tables
 
Hi everyone,
 
I'm just curious about something. What exactly are layout tables and how are they different from normal/regular tables? I've found them helpful for making some tabular info on the web more accessible, but I'm curious as to what they really are. Thanks.

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