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Re: Eloquence and NVDA: automatic language switching

Steve Nutt
 

The SAPI 5 version, or it used to work for me.

 

On Monday, I’ll turn back on auto language switching and see if it still works.

 

I have both the add-on and the SAPI 5 versions.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gianluigi Coppelletti
Sent: 30 September 2021 17:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA: automatic language switching

 

Thanks Steve,

then I'll ask CodeFactory what to do because it doesn't work for me. Just one more question... do you mean the SAPI5 version that you can use with other screen readers or the addon for NVDA which contains Vocalizer voices as well?

Thanks.

Bye.

Gigi

Il 30/09/2021 18.20, Steve Nutt ha scritto:

Actually CodeFactory SAPI5 Eloquence does have that feature, and it works here.

 

All the best


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: 28 September 2021 18:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA: automatic language switching

 

If you are talking about Eloquence in SAPI5 it will not have that feature...

I think it is SAPI5 itself that do not have it...

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 18:06 de 28/09/2021, Ashutosh Singhal escreveu:

In my experience, Espeak can automatically  switch languages but, Neither CodeFactory vocalisers  nor Window one coor voices can automatically change their languages. Sorry, I do not know about CodeFactory eloquence.

 

On Tue, 28 Sept 2021 at 21:48, Gianluigi Coppelletti <gianluigi@...> wrote:

Hi,

I'm testing the demo version of Eloquence by CodeFactory, and when I
visit a web page in a language other than the default one, the
synthesizer doesn't automatically switch to the language of that page.
Obviously the check box concerning the automatic language switching is
checked and with Espeak it works fine.

Am I doing something wrong or this option doesn't work with this version
of Eloquence?

This happens with NVDA 2021.2 Windows 10 and Eloquence 1.11.0 just
downloaded from the official website.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Bye.

Gigi





Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

JOHN RIEHL
 

Very interesting. Where do I go in NVDA to do this? If this is an elementary question I apologize; I'm a new user.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:45 PM
To: Gene <gsasner@...>
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

Hello,

rather forcing blank to be changed in pronunciation using a regular expression dictionary entry might be useful.

^ is the beginning of line in regular expressions.

$ is the end of line in regular expressions.

* in regular expressions means 0 or more of the previous character or pattern 

So: 

^ *$ 

should match a line with just spaces in it.  ( note there is a space between the ^ and the * , also note you might want to turn on all punctuation to read my descriptions above, I can't be sure on this computer how much of NVDA reads of the above special characters.

Jonathan 

 



On Oct 2, 2021, at 11:38, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 

 

Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl 

 


Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,
rather forcing blank to be changed in pronunciation using a regular expression dictionary entry might be useful.
^ is the beginning of line in regular expressions.
$ is the end of line in regular expressions.
* in regular expressions means 0 or more of the previous character or pattern 
So: 
^ *$ 
should match a line with just spaces in it.  ( note there is a space between the ^ and the * , also note you might want to turn on all punctuation to read my descriptions above, I can't be sure on this computer how much of NVDA reads of the above special characters.
Jonathan 


On Oct 2, 2021, at 11:38, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 
 
Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email
 
I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.
Anybody got any suggestions?
 
Thanks for the help.
John Riehl 


Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

JOHN RIEHL
 

I need to move line by line, unfortunately.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 11:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 

 

Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl 


Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

JOHN RIEHL
 

Unfortunately, my work environment is such that I can't download and install nvda add-ons.

 

Even if I could use the second option that still does not explain why I'm hearing "blank" in Outlook and word.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

Two options:
1. If you install Phonetic punctuation add-on, by default it is configured to replace the word "blank"  with a sound effect.
2. BrowserNav add-on is configured to skip blank lines in browsers, so it will just jump over it without announcing anything.
HTH

On 10/2/2021 8:00 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io wrote:

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl  


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Gene
 

I don’t know if there is anything to do but use Firefox for sites you can’t open in Chrome-based browsers.  If your Windows is up-to-date with all updates available before support ended, there may be nothing else that can be done. 
 
Chrome-based browsers and browsers in general rely on Windows itself for verification that sites are ;properly certified.  Firefox has its own certificates and is unusual among browsers.
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #AddonRelease
 
I've also tried to open www.nvaccess.org via Chrome and Opera, but to no
avail. Both are up-to-date. Firefox fires it up at once. I'm asking
myself what steps to take due to the fact that I've been using Windows 7
SP1. Am I supposed to do something about it myself? If yes, what? If no,
I'd be glad because I'm not as computer savvy as Joseph and those like
him. 🤣

On 02/10/2021 15:35, Don H wrote:
> This did indeed fix the checking for addon updates under the tool menu
> of the NVDA UI.  Checking for a NVDA update under the help menu still
> causes a error message.
>
> On 10/2/2021 8:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First, thank you for reporting add-on update error messages. The issue
>> was traced to NVDA not looking for the correct SSL error, possibly
>> caused by expired root certificate from Let’s Encrypt. As a result,
>> Add-on Updater 21.10 was just released (manual download for now):
>>
>> https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon
>>
>> <https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon>
>>
>>
>> IMPORTANT: Add-on Updater 21.10 is a MANDATORY update to anyone using
>> NVDA 2021.1 or later. I cannot backport this to earlier NVDA releases as
>> the add-on uses features introduced in NVDA 2021.1.
>>
>> In addition to fixing SSL certificate verification error, Add-on Updater
>> 21.10 makes it possible to check for add-on updates after you perform a
>> clean Windows installation without connecting to the Internet and then
>> go online afterwards. This change comes from upcoming NVDA 2021.3 (alpha
>> snapshots at the moment).
>>
>> I advise applying this update as soon as possible – for now after
>> installing Add-on Updater 21.10, ignore an offer from Add-on Updater to
>> install Add-on Updater 21.09 – I will update this thread once Add-on
>> Updater 21.10 is indeed offered.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Firefox works because it comes with its own set of security certificates and doesn't rely on Windows to provide such information (the ultimate cause is Windows not being aware of expired certificate, and NVDA is involved because it fails to check the actual error in question). As for relationship with Windows 7, it was established (from some reports) that this is occurring across Windows releases (I do know that some folks will advise you to upgrade to Windows 10, but it is not for me to advise this as part of this thread).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

I see. The next step then is a debug log from people experiencing it (ideally attached as part of a GitHub issue comment, but since not everyone has a GitHub account...).

Can people try doing a data analysis based on information we get from users - NVDA versions in use, debug log analysis, etc.?

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Dejan Ristic
 

I've also tried to open www.nvaccess.org via Chrome and Opera, but to no avail. Both are up-to-date. Firefox fires it up at once. I'm asking myself what steps to take due to the fact that I've been using Windows 7 SP1. Am I supposed to do something about it myself? If yes, what? If no, I'd be glad because I'm not as computer savvy as Joseph and those like him. 🤣

On 02/10/2021 15:35, Don H wrote:
This did indeed fix the checking for addon updates under the tool menu
of the NVDA UI.  Checking for a NVDA update under the help menu still
causes a error message.

On 10/2/2021 8:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi all,

First, thank you for reporting add-on update error messages. The issue
was traced to NVDA not looking for the correct SSL error, possibly
caused by expired root certificate from Let’s Encrypt. As a result,
Add-on Updater 21.10 was just released (manual download for now):

https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon
<https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon>

IMPORTANT: Add-on Updater 21.10 is a MANDATORY update to anyone using
NVDA 2021.1 or later. I cannot backport this to earlier NVDA releases as
the add-on uses features introduced in NVDA 2021.1.

In addition to fixing SSL certificate verification error, Add-on Updater
21.10 makes it possible to check for add-on updates after you perform a
clean Windows installation without connecting to the Internet and then
go online afterwards. This change comes from upcoming NVDA 2021.3 (alpha
snapshots at the moment).

I advise applying this update as soon as possible – for now after
installing Add-on Updater 21.10, ignore an offer from Add-on Updater to
install Add-on Updater 21.09 – I will update this thread once Add-on
Updater 21.10 is indeed offered.

Cheers,

Joseph




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Re: Microsoft teams with nvda

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Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

Gene
 

I find the discussion of blank lines in browsers puzzling.  When I am in browse mode, NVDA never stops at or indicates a blank line.  I’m puzzled as to why arrowing through a web page or another document such as a PDF in browse mode may cause some users to come across blank lines.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email
 

Two options:
1. If you install Phonetic punctuation add-on, by default it is configured to replace the word "blank"  with a sound effect.
2. BrowserNav add-on is configured to skip blank lines in browsers, so it will just jump over it without announcing anything.
HTH

On 10/2/2021 8:00 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io wrote:

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl 


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Chris
 

 

And a big thank you to Joseph for his quick response in releasing a resolution to this issue

 

Thank you

 

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: 02 October 2021 14:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

First, thank you for reporting add-on update error messages. The issue was traced to NVDA not looking for the correct SSL error, possibly caused by expired root certificate from Let’s Encrypt. As a result, Add-on Updater 21.10 was just released (manual download for now):

https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon

 

IMPORTANT: Add-on Updater 21.10 is a MANDATORY update to anyone using NVDA 2021.1 or later. I cannot backport this to earlier NVDA releases as the add-on uses features introduced in NVDA 2021.1.

 

In addition to fixing SSL certificate verification error, Add-on Updater 21.10 makes it possible to check for add-on updates after you perform a clean Windows installation without connecting to the Internet and then go online afterwards. This change comes from upcoming NVDA 2021.3 (alpha snapshots at the moment).

 

I advise applying this update as soon as possible – for now after installing Add-on Updater 21.10, ignore an offer from Add-on Updater to install Add-on Updater 21.09 – I will update this thread once Add-on Updater 21.10 is indeed offered.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

Tony Malykh
 

Two options:
1. If you install Phonetic punctuation add-on, by default it is configured to replace the word "blank"  with a sound effect.
2. BrowserNav add-on is configured to skip blank lines in browsers, so it will just jump over it without announcing anything.
HTH

On 10/2/2021 8:00 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io wrote:

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl  


Re: Microsoft teams with nvda

Sarah k Alawami
 

I love it, if you are in focus mode it works quite well. It is responsive and is a better experience than skype.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 11:26 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft teams with nvda

Hi guys


I have been asked the following question about how well nvda works with Microsoft teams. I do not use it so can not comment.


Are there others on the list who do and how well does it work with it.


I did not see a add on for it so is one not required? unless I missed it
on the website. I see there is one for zoom.


I note there is a lot of shortcuts you can use with it so I guess nvda
will work with it.


any bugs to look out while using it or is it pretty good.


I did come across this link and teams at
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-microsoft-teams-47614fb0-a583-49f6-84da-6872223e74a0?ui=en-us&rs=en-ie&ad=ie
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-microsoft-teams-47614fb0-a583-49f6-84da-6872223e74a0?ui=en-us&rs=en-ie&ad=ie>

Any help would be good to feed back.


Gene nz


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Don H
 

The dialog box says Error checking for updates and there is a OK button

On 10/2/2021 10:37 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I see. If so, what is the exactly message you hear? If it says "no update available", then you are fine as 2021.2 is the latest release.
Cheers,
Joseph


Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

Gene
 

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 
 
Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email
 

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl 


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

I see. If so, what is the exactly message you hear? If it says "no update available", then you are fine as 2021.2 is the latest release.

Cheers,

Joseph


How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

JOHN RIEHL
 

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl  


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Don H
 

Sorry I forgot to provide that info. I am running NVDA 2021-2.

On 10/2/2021 10:04 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I see. At least this confirms that NVDA itself is not detecting the correct error when checking for updates. Are you prehaps using NVDA 2021.1? If so, this explains the situationa bit more clearly.
Cheers,
Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

I see. At least this confirms that NVDA itself is not detecting the correct error when checking for updates. Are you prehaps using NVDA 2021.1? If so, this explains the situationa bit more clearly.

Cheers,

Joseph

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