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Re: addon updater

Thierry Van Doorne
 

Hi everyone,
I also experienced the same problem. Following the steps, as suggested by Joseph my problem is also fixed. Replacing the addon updater and typing the command in the consul worked. Also the RSS-addon was affected. None of the NVDA group feeds didn't work propperly. This has all been solved!
Thank you Joseph! 


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

 

Well I submitted the python fix of yesterday to the forum and this worked on my secondary network.

Saying that a lot on that forum, well some of them, aren't that smart, there are a loot of crack hackers but there are also a lot of kids or at least adults with kid brains that just do and say whatever.

I don't respond to much of it anymore.

Obviously that forum is where all the audiogame tests and stuff come from so I do have a presence on there, but there are people that look for trouble so I mostly keep it down.



On 3/10/2021 10:34 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

I think I know the forum mentioned... Please tell folks there that, in this case, downgrading may make things worse as the fix is unlikely to be backported to older releases.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

I think I know the forum mentioned... Please tell folks there that, in this case, downgrading may make things worse as the fix is unlikely to be backported to older releases.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Do the Alpha builds of NVDA do any update checking for stable production builds?

 

Thanks Joseph.

I strongly suspected this might be the case because alpha channels (no matter what they're called) often have specific exceptions to other channel updating rules.  But having it confirmed means I know what I need to do after installing an alpha build if I want to go back to the regular release channel:  uninstall the alpha and reinstall the latest release channel or, possibly, release candidate.
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Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

 

You just hit enter jean.

you will get no indication its worked exactly but then it just does so it works.



On 3/10/2021 3:05 am, Gene wrote:
After we enter the text, do we just leave it there or is there a save or execute command?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #AddonRelease
 

Hi,

To resolve the error message when checking for updates to NVDA itself, try:

  1. Open Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Enter the following AS EXACTLY AS SHOWN:

import updateCheck; updateCheck._updateWindowsRootCertificates()

In order to verify that this issue is specific to NVDA 2021.2, please tell us which NVDA version you are using (please don't say "I'm using the latest version" because "latest version" can mean 2021.2, whatever version you might be using, or the latest alpha build). Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

 

Well using the python import line mentioned yesterday has fixed both so maybe thats another alternitive to that also.

On a forum I use audiogames they are having issues with some addons and a few people think to just downgrade nvda so who knows.



On 3/10/2021 2:38 am, Gene wrote:
That’s what I would expect since they aren’t related.  Changing one doesn’t change the other. 
 
It works here, too.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #AddonRelease
 
This did indeed fix the checking for addon updates under the tool menu
of the NVDA UI.  Checking for a NVDA update under the help menu still
causes a error message.

On 10/2/2021 8:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> First, thank you for reporting add-on update error messages. The issue
> was traced to NVDA not looking for the correct SSL error, possibly
> caused by expired root certificate from Let’s Encrypt. As a result,
> Add-on Updater 21.10 was just released (manual download for now):
>
> https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon
> <https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon>
>
> IMPORTANT: Add-on Updater 21.10 is a MANDATORY update to anyone using
> NVDA 2021.1 or later. I cannot backport this to earlier NVDA releases as
> the add-on uses features introduced in NVDA 2021.1.
>
> In addition to fixing SSL certificate verification error, Add-on Updater
> 21.10 makes it possible to check for add-on updates after you perform a
> clean Windows installation without connecting to the Internet and then
> go online afterwards. This change comes from upcoming NVDA 2021.3 (alpha
> snapshots at the moment).
>
> I advise applying this update as soon as possible – for now after
> installing Add-on Updater 21.10, ignore an offer from Add-on Updater to
> install Add-on Updater 21.09 – I will update this thread once Add-on
> Updater 21.10 is indeed offered.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>





Re: Do the Alpha builds of NVDA do any update checking for stable production builds?

 

Hi,

NO - alpha builds will check for alpha build updates. Think of it as Firefox Nightly versus other channels where Nightly will check for new NIghtly builds whereas stable builds will check for stable updates. This is intentional as alpha builds are designed to house latest tested changes, but sometimes it is the testing ground for new and changed technologies.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: backup NVDA settings

Hareth <hareth4m@...>
 

open the run command windows key plus R
type:
%appdata%
press enter and find the "NVDA" folder, copy it as a backup for your
NVDA settings and add-ons.
TC

On 10/2/21, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
Running Win 10 and NVDA 2021-2. How do you backup the NVDA settings?
Thanks






backup NVDA settings

Don H
 

Running Win 10 and NVDA 2021-2. How do you backup the NVDA settings?
Thanks


Do the Alpha builds of NVDA do any update checking for stable production builds?

 

I know that if you use beta or release candidate versions of NVDA, these actually do the expected checking and if a new stable version is available they'll ask you about downloading them.

Yesterday I uninstalled the latest stable version of NVDA to install an alpha version to assist in testing the issue with updating NVDA itself and Add-On Updater.  But I have no idea if it checks for new stable versions or not, as alpha software can sometimes be quite different than beta or release candidate in terms of functions like this one, so I thought I'd ask, as several of the regulars must know.
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Update Checking Error for NVDA and Add-On Updater - Root Cause Identified, Workaround Given, Problem solved in 2021.3 #adminnotice

 

You know, I have said before, that members of groups such as this have an obligation to be proactive and actually pay attention to the titles of the traffic coming through at the very least.

There is (or was, if you applied the workaround) an issue with getting NVDA to update or Add-On Updater to fetch updates on a selected, but large, subset of machines that was directly linked to a couple of factors, very clearly identified by Joseph Lee in this message:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/88179 sent yesterday.

Shortly before that, he gave a workaround in this message: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/88175 

This issue is resolved.  Everyone who is a regular here (and that's many who are still commenting) should know it's resolved, and how to resolve it, if you review group messages, in topics dedicated to this very issue, before posting about it again.

Please, please, start doing that.  Questions about this cannot and will not be allowed to go on for days when the answers have already been provided for those that need them now, and it's been clearly stated that the underlying issue will be corrected as of NVDA 2021.3.
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Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Dan Beaver
 

Thank you Joseph,  the version you told us about fixes this problem on my system.  I hope it fixes it for all.


Dan Beaver

On 10/2/2021 12:21 PM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

 

And a big thank you to Joseph for his quick response in releasing a resolution to this issue

 

Thank you

 

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: 02 October 2021 14:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

First, thank you for reporting add-on update error messages. The issue was traced to NVDA not looking for the correct SSL error, possibly caused by expired root certificate from Let’s Encrypt. As a result, Add-on Updater 21.10 was just released (manual download for now):

https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon

 

IMPORTANT: Add-on Updater 21.10 is a MANDATORY update to anyone using NVDA 2021.1 or later. I cannot backport this to earlier NVDA releases as the add-on uses features introduced in NVDA 2021.1.

 

In addition to fixing SSL certificate verification error, Add-on Updater 21.10 makes it possible to check for add-on updates after you perform a clean Windows installation without connecting to the Internet and then go online afterwards. This change comes from upcoming NVDA 2021.3 (alpha snapshots at the moment).

 

I advise applying this update as soon as possible – for now after installing Add-on Updater 21.10, ignore an offer from Add-on Updater to install Add-on Updater 21.09 – I will update this thread once Add-on Updater 21.10 is indeed offered.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

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Re: Microsoft teams with nvda

Arlene
 

Hi, I’ve used it. I have no problems with it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: hurrikennyandopo ..
Sent: October 1, 2021 11:26 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft teams with nvda

 

Hi guys

 

 

I have been asked the following question about how well nvda works with

Microsoft teams. I do not use it so can not comment.

 

 

Are there others on the list who do and how well does it work with it.

 

 

I did not see a add on for it so is one not required? unless I missed it

on the website. I see there is one for zoom.

 

 

I note there is a lot of shortcuts you can use with it so I guess nvda

will work with it.

 

 

any bugs to look out while using it or is it pretty good.

 

 

I did come across this link and teams at

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-microsoft-teams-47614fb0-a583-49f6-84da-6872223e74a0?ui=en-us&rs=en-ie&ad=ie

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-microsoft-teams-47614fb0-a583-49f6-84da-6872223e74a0?ui=en-us&rs=en-ie&ad=ie>

 

Any help would be good to feed back.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: error checking for add-on updates

Steve Nutt
 

I wonder if the server has a limit of how many concurrent connections? That would cause random breakages.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: 01 October 2021 14:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] error checking for add-on updates

 

Well, it looks like there may be a server issue or something.  I just went into NVDA menu, then tools and then to check for add-on updates.  It immediately came back with an error.

 

I'll check later I guess.

 

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Re: Eloquence and NVDA: automatic language switching

Steve Nutt
 

The SAPI 5 version, or it used to work for me.

 

On Monday, I’ll turn back on auto language switching and see if it still works.

 

I have both the add-on and the SAPI 5 versions.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gianluigi Coppelletti
Sent: 30 September 2021 17:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA: automatic language switching

 

Thanks Steve,

then I'll ask CodeFactory what to do because it doesn't work for me. Just one more question... do you mean the SAPI5 version that you can use with other screen readers or the addon for NVDA which contains Vocalizer voices as well?

Thanks.

Bye.

Gigi

Il 30/09/2021 18.20, Steve Nutt ha scritto:

Actually CodeFactory SAPI5 Eloquence does have that feature, and it works here.

 

All the best


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: 28 September 2021 18:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA: automatic language switching

 

If you are talking about Eloquence in SAPI5 it will not have that feature...

I think it is SAPI5 itself that do not have it...

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 18:06 de 28/09/2021, Ashutosh Singhal escreveu:

In my experience, Espeak can automatically  switch languages but, Neither CodeFactory vocalisers  nor Window one coor voices can automatically change their languages. Sorry, I do not know about CodeFactory eloquence.

 

On Tue, 28 Sept 2021 at 21:48, Gianluigi Coppelletti <gianluigi@...> wrote:

Hi,

I'm testing the demo version of Eloquence by CodeFactory, and when I
visit a web page in a language other than the default one, the
synthesizer doesn't automatically switch to the language of that page.
Obviously the check box concerning the automatic language switching is
checked and with Espeak it works fine.

Am I doing something wrong or this option doesn't work with this version
of Eloquence?

This happens with NVDA 2021.2 Windows 10 and Eloquence 1.11.0 just
downloaded from the official website.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Bye.

Gigi





Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

JOHN RIEHL
 

Very interesting. Where do I go in NVDA to do this? If this is an elementary question I apologize; I'm a new user.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:45 PM
To: Gene <gsasner@...>
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

Hello,

rather forcing blank to be changed in pronunciation using a regular expression dictionary entry might be useful.

^ is the beginning of line in regular expressions.

$ is the end of line in regular expressions.

* in regular expressions means 0 or more of the previous character or pattern 

So: 

^ *$ 

should match a line with just spaces in it.  ( note there is a space between the ^ and the * , also note you might want to turn on all punctuation to read my descriptions above, I can't be sure on this computer how much of NVDA reads of the above special characters.

Jonathan 

 



On Oct 2, 2021, at 11:38, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 

 

Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl 

 


Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,
rather forcing blank to be changed in pronunciation using a regular expression dictionary entry might be useful.
^ is the beginning of line in regular expressions.
$ is the end of line in regular expressions.
* in regular expressions means 0 or more of the previous character or pattern 
So: 
^ *$ 
should match a line with just spaces in it.  ( note there is a space between the ^ and the * , also note you might want to turn on all punctuation to read my descriptions above, I can't be sure on this computer how much of NVDA reads of the above special characters.
Jonathan 


On Oct 2, 2021, at 11:38, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 
 
Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email
 
I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.
Anybody got any suggestions?
 
Thanks for the help.
John Riehl 


Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

JOHN RIEHL
 

I need to move line by line, unfortunately.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 11:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 

 

Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl 


Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

JOHN RIEHL
 

Unfortunately, my work environment is such that I can't download and install nvda add-ons.

 

Even if I could use the second option that still does not explain why I'm hearing "blank" in Outlook and word.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

Two options:
1. If you install Phonetic punctuation add-on, by default it is configured to replace the word "blank"  with a sound effect.
2. BrowserNav add-on is configured to skip blank lines in browsers, so it will just jump over it without announcing anything.
HTH

On 10/2/2021 8:00 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io wrote:

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl  


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Gene
 

I don’t know if there is anything to do but use Firefox for sites you can’t open in Chrome-based browsers.  If your Windows is up-to-date with all updates available before support ended, there may be nothing else that can be done. 
 
Chrome-based browsers and browsers in general rely on Windows itself for verification that sites are ;properly certified.  Firefox has its own certificates and is unusual among browsers.
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #AddonRelease
 
I've also tried to open www.nvaccess.org via Chrome and Opera, but to no
avail. Both are up-to-date. Firefox fires it up at once. I'm asking
myself what steps to take due to the fact that I've been using Windows 7
SP1. Am I supposed to do something about it myself? If yes, what? If no,
I'd be glad because I'm not as computer savvy as Joseph and those like
him. 🤣

On 02/10/2021 15:35, Don H wrote:
> This did indeed fix the checking for addon updates under the tool menu
> of the NVDA UI.  Checking for a NVDA update under the help menu still
> causes a error message.
>
> On 10/2/2021 8:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First, thank you for reporting add-on update error messages. The issue
>> was traced to NVDA not looking for the correct SSL error, possibly
>> caused by expired root certificate from Let’s Encrypt. As a result,
>> Add-on Updater 21.10 was just released (manual download for now):
>>
>> https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon
>>
>> <https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/21.10/addonUpdater-21.10.nvda-addon>
>>
>>
>> IMPORTANT: Add-on Updater 21.10 is a MANDATORY update to anyone using
>> NVDA 2021.1 or later. I cannot backport this to earlier NVDA releases as
>> the add-on uses features introduced in NVDA 2021.1.
>>
>> In addition to fixing SSL certificate verification error, Add-on Updater
>> 21.10 makes it possible to check for add-on updates after you perform a
>> clean Windows installation without connecting to the Internet and then
>> go online afterwards. This change comes from upcoming NVDA 2021.3 (alpha
>> snapshots at the moment).
>>
>> I advise applying this update as soon as possible – for now after
>> installing Add-on Updater 21.10, ignore an offer from Add-on Updater to
>> install Add-on Updater 21.09 – I will update this thread once Add-on
>> Updater 21.10 is indeed offered.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
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