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Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

I find it actually good when arr owing down a document or web page when editing it otherwise how would I know when to insert information  into certain part of my website or stories that I am writing.

It also lets me know if there are 2 many blank spaces of which I can simply just delete out if I do not want them.



If i do not want to hear it when reading when I go to review the document or web page I just use the say all command.


Gene nz

 

On 4/10/2021 1:11 pm, Luke Robinett wrote:
Thank you for bringing this up! It’s something that frequently irritates me but because it tends to happen during the midst of my work day, I forget to jot it down as a thing to explore here on the message board after work.
What would really be ideal is an option in NVDA settings that would cause the NVDA cursor to simply bypass blank lines. Sometimes when trying to read an email in outlook I have to press the down arrow well over a dozen times just to get to the first non-blank text. Control down arrow is supposed to take you to the next block but this doesn’t work, either. There’s no Practical reason why a user would want to sit there pounding the down arrow like a trained monkey just hearing the word ”blank” over and over and over LOL. it’s a mindless but seemingly unavoidable waste of time.

On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:47 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02@...> wrote:



Very interesting. Where do I go in NVDA to do this? If this is an elementary question I apologize; I'm a new user.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:45 PM
To: Gene <gsasner@...>
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

Hello,

rather forcing blank to be changed in pronunciation using a regular expression dictionary entry might be useful.

^ is the beginning of line in regular expressions.

$ is the end of line in regular expressions.

* in regular expressions means 0 or more of the previous character or pattern 

So: 

^ *$ 

should match a line with just spaces in it.  ( note there is a space between the ^ and the * , also note you might want to turn on all punctuation to read my descriptions above, I can't be sure on this computer how much of NVDA reads of the above special characters.

Jonathan 

 



On Oct 2, 2021, at 11:38, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 

 

Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl 

 


Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

Gene
 

It should be able to be done but is there a reason you don’t use read to end in e-mails?  Read to end doesn’t announce blank lines and starts reading the text skipping all blank lines if there are any.
 
Also, what program are you using for e-mail and are you reading mail in plain text or HTML?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email
 
Thank you for bringing this up! It’s something that frequently irritates me but because it tends to happen during the midst of my work day, I forget to jot it down as a thing to explore here on the message board after work.
What would really be ideal is an option in NVDA settings that would cause the NVDA cursor to simply bypass blank lines. Sometimes when trying to read an email in outlook I have to press the down arrow well over a dozen times just to get to the first non-blank text. Control down arrow is supposed to take you to the next block but this doesn’t work, either. There’s no Practical reason why a user would want to sit there pounding the down arrow like a trained monkey just hearing the word ”blank” over and over and over LOL. it’s a mindless but seemingly unavoidable waste of time.

On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:47 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02@...> wrote:



Very interesting. Where do I go in NVDA to do this? If this is an elementary question I apologize; I'm a new user.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:45 PM
To: Gene <gsasner@...>
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

Hello,

rather forcing blank to be changed in pronunciation using a regular expression dictionary entry might be useful.

^ is the beginning of line in regular expressions.

$ is the end of line in regular expressions.

* in regular expressions means 0 or more of the previous character or pattern

So:

^ *$

should match a line with just spaces in it.  ( note there is a space between the ^ and the * , also note you might want to turn on all punctuation to read my descriptions above, I can't be sure on this computer how much of NVDA reads of the above special characters.

Jonathan

 



On Oct 2, 2021, at 11:38, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 

 

Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl 

 


Re: Unable to click on the login link

Jackie
 

If you submitted your email, then they likely sent you a code to
verify that you're an actual person signing up rather than a bot.

On 10/3/21, Pranav Lal <pranav@...> wrote:
Hi Jackie and all,

Many thanks for testing. I tried it after reading your message and am stuck
at the sine up link. I can activate it without problems in chrome but then
I have selected e-mail and am being asked for some kind of code. A most
confusing site.

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 10:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

Hey P, this site is a real b-word, & that is the polite & edited version. So
I was able to do it in Chrome--firefox was pretty useless w/it.

On entry, you're displayed an offer of the day, which you have to click.
Firefox didn't show it as that, ie, I think it's displayed as an overlay.

Once you do that, click the login link, then go into forms mode by pressing
NVDA+spacebar.

Enabling object navigation, you'll find that it's asking for your
email/mobile.

Definitively not designed w/the blind in mind.

On 10/3/21, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
Hi,


Although I'm not participating in this thread, I'd like you to hear a
few words from me:


When I happen to come across a link that won't open after making 100
efforts to make it open, I then do the following:


I focus on the very link that won't budge, and then, I do the right
mouse clicking, and then I open the link in a new window in Chrome.
That's helped me several times. Make sure whether it is a link you
wish to open. If it turns out to be a button, then this trick won't help.


Hope this helps.


Cheers,


Dejan

On 03/10/2021 17:19, Gene wrote:
I have never seen that behavior. I suspect it is rare or quite rare.
Perhaps you are talking about something you would usually hover over
with a mouse.
Whatever the case, I said that what is going on may require sighted
evaluation.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Sarah k Alawami <mailto:marrie12@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, October 03, 2021 10:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

I don’t often rely on that as sometimes when you tab away the edit
fields can and may disappear. What browser are you using btw.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, October 3, 2021 8:01 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

When I was on the link, I opened the context menu in the browser and
pressed enter on copy. Your browser may say something different in
the menu like copy location or copy link. That copied the link to the
clipboard. When I read what was there, it just said JAVA script.
Since you aren’t blocking scripts, finding out what is occurring on
the page may require sighted evaluation. However, after you pressed
enter on the link, did you go to the top of the page and use the e
command to move through the page looking for an edit field that may
have come up in a different place on the page for logging in?

Gene

-----Original Message-----

*From:*Pranav Lal <mailto:pranav@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, October 03, 2021 9:45 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

Hi Gene,

I am not using any script blockers. The site is trust worthy but I
appreciate where you are coming from. How did you extract the
underlying link?

Pranav

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, October 3, 2021 7:49 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

Are you using any sort of script blocker or do you have JAVA scripts
set to off in your browser? This is a JAVA script link, as I found
when I copied the underlying link to the clipboard. I don’t know
anything about the trustworthiness of this site so I haven’t visited
the page with JAVA script enabled.

Gene

-----Original Message-----

*From:*Pranav Lal <mailto:pranav@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, October 03, 2021 8:25 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Unable to click on the login link

Hi all,

I am trying to click on the login link at the below URL.
https://offers.reward360.in/regalia
<https://offers.reward360.in/regalia>

I see the login link but when I hit enter on it, nothing happens. I
am supposed to see some kind of popup box.
I have tried the following without success.
1. I have switched to focus mode and have then tabbed to the login
link and hit enter.
2. I used object navigation to get to the link and then hit the
activate keystroke.
3.I used object navigation to get to the login link, hit the pass key
through keystroke and then hit the activate keystroke namely numeric
pad insert + enter in the nvda desktop keyboard layout.
4. I used the list of links feature, got to the login link and then
hit the activate option.

What can I do to activate this link?
Note:
It is possible that the link is being activate but NVDA is not seeing
the box. However, I am not sure if this is the case.

Pranav




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Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

Quentin Christensen
 

There is an issue for skipping blank lines in browse mode: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4904

As I noted in a comment to that issue: The main workaround I would suggest is to use say all (NVDA+down arrow or NVDA+a) to read things like messages in Outlook, which will skip blank lines. Another setting which can help particularly in Outlook is to supress reporting of tables. Press NVDA+control+d to open the document formatting settings, then alt+t until you get to "tables", uncheck that, and NVDA should read emails in Outlook a bit smoother.

Otherwise, if you can add anything else regarding use cases or implementation not already covered in the previous comments on that issue, do please comment on the issue itself.

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 11:11 AM Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:
Thank you for bringing this up! It’s something that frequently irritates me but because it tends to happen during the midst of my work day, I forget to jot it down as a thing to explore here on the message board after work.
What would really be ideal is an option in NVDA settings that would cause the NVDA cursor to simply bypass blank lines. Sometimes when trying to read an email in outlook I have to press the down arrow well over a dozen times just to get to the first non-blank text. Control down arrow is supposed to take you to the next block but this doesn’t work, either. There’s no Practical reason why a user would want to sit there pounding the down arrow like a trained monkey just hearing the word ”blank” over and over and over LOL. it’s a mindless but seemingly unavoidable waste of time.

On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:47 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02=VERIZON.NET@groups.io> wrote:



Very interesting. Where do I go in NVDA to do this? If this is an elementary question I apologize; I'm a new user.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:45 PM
To: Gene <gsasner@...>
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

Hello,

rather forcing blank to be changed in pronunciation using a regular expression dictionary entry might be useful.

^ is the beginning of line in regular expressions.

$ is the end of line in regular expressions.

* in regular expressions means 0 or more of the previous character or pattern 

So: 

^ *$ 

should match a line with just spaces in it.  ( note there is a space between the ^ and the * , also note you might want to turn on all punctuation to read my descriptions above, I can't be sure on this computer how much of NVDA reads of the above special characters.

Jonathan 

 



On Oct 2, 2021, at 11:38, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 

 

Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl 

 



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Re: Unable to click on the login link

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Jackie and all,

Many thanks for testing. I tried it after reading your message and am stuck at the sine up link. I can activate it without problems in chrome but then I have selected e-mail and am being asked for some kind of code. A most confusing site.

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 10:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

Hey P, this site is a real b-word, & that is the polite & edited version. So I was able to do it in Chrome--firefox was pretty useless w/it.

On entry, you're displayed an offer of the day, which you have to click. Firefox didn't show it as that, ie, I think it's displayed as an overlay.

Once you do that, click the login link, then go into forms mode by pressing NVDA+spacebar.

Enabling object navigation, you'll find that it's asking for your email/mobile.

Definitively not designed w/the blind in mind.

On 10/3/21, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
Hi,


Although I'm not participating in this thread, I'd like you to hear a
few words from me:


When I happen to come across a link that won't open after making 100
efforts to make it open, I then do the following:


I focus on the very link that won't budge, and then, I do the right
mouse clicking, and then I open the link in a new window in Chrome.
That's helped me several times. Make sure whether it is a link you
wish to open. If it turns out to be a button, then this trick won't help.


Hope this helps.


Cheers,


Dejan

On 03/10/2021 17:19, Gene wrote:
I have never seen that behavior. I suspect it is rare or quite rare.
Perhaps you are talking about something you would usually hover over
with a mouse.
Whatever the case, I said that what is going on may require sighted
evaluation.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Sarah k Alawami <mailto:marrie12@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, October 03, 2021 10:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

I don’t often rely on that as sometimes when you tab away the edit
fields can and may disappear. What browser are you using btw.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, October 3, 2021 8:01 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

When I was on the link, I opened the context menu in the browser and
pressed enter on copy. Your browser may say something different in
the menu like copy location or copy link. That copied the link to the
clipboard. When I read what was there, it just said JAVA script.
Since you aren’t blocking scripts, finding out what is occurring on
the page may require sighted evaluation. However, after you pressed
enter on the link, did you go to the top of the page and use the e
command to move through the page looking for an edit field that may
have come up in a different place on the page for logging in?

Gene

-----Original Message-----

*From:*Pranav Lal <mailto:pranav@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, October 03, 2021 9:45 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

Hi Gene,

I am not using any script blockers. The site is trust worthy but I
appreciate where you are coming from. How did you extract the
underlying link?

Pranav

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, October 3, 2021 7:49 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

Are you using any sort of script blocker or do you have JAVA scripts
set to off in your browser? This is a JAVA script link, as I found
when I copied the underlying link to the clipboard. I don’t know
anything about the trustworthiness of this site so I haven’t visited
the page with JAVA script enabled.

Gene

-----Original Message-----

*From:*Pranav Lal <mailto:pranav@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, October 03, 2021 8:25 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Unable to click on the login link

Hi all,

I am trying to click on the login link at the below URL.
https://offers.reward360.in/regalia
<https://offers.reward360.in/regalia>

I see the login link but when I hit enter on it, nothing happens. I
am supposed to see some kind of popup box.
I have tried the following without success.
1. I have switched to focus mode and have then tabbed to the login
link and hit enter.
2. I used object navigation to get to the link and then hit the
activate keystroke.
3.I used object navigation to get to the login link, hit the pass key
through keystroke and then hit the activate keystroke namely numeric
pad insert + enter in the nvda desktop keyboard layout.
4. I used the list of links feature, got to the login link and then
hit the activate option.

What can I do to activate this link?
Note:
It is possible that the link is being activate but NVDA is not seeing
the box. However, I am not sure if this is the case.

Pranav




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Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

Luke Robinett
 

Thank you for bringing this up! It’s something that frequently irritates me but because it tends to happen during the midst of my work day, I forget to jot it down as a thing to explore here on the message board after work.
What would really be ideal is an option in NVDA settings that would cause the NVDA cursor to simply bypass blank lines. Sometimes when trying to read an email in outlook I have to press the down arrow well over a dozen times just to get to the first non-blank text. Control down arrow is supposed to take you to the next block but this doesn’t work, either. There’s no Practical reason why a user would want to sit there pounding the down arrow like a trained monkey just hearing the word ”blank” over and over and over LOL. it’s a mindless but seemingly unavoidable waste of time.

On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:47 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02@...> wrote:



Very interesting. Where do I go in NVDA to do this? If this is an elementary question I apologize; I'm a new user.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:45 PM
To: Gene <gsasner@...>
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

Hello,

rather forcing blank to be changed in pronunciation using a regular expression dictionary entry might be useful.

^ is the beginning of line in regular expressions.

$ is the end of line in regular expressions.

* in regular expressions means 0 or more of the previous character or pattern 

So: 

^ *$ 

should match a line with just spaces in it.  ( note there is a space between the ^ and the * , also note you might want to turn on all punctuation to read my descriptions above, I can't be sure on this computer how much of NVDA reads of the above special characters.

Jonathan 

 



On Oct 2, 2021, at 11:38, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 

 

Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl 

 


Re: NVDA and excel

 

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 03:12 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
What can cause a cell with a formula to announce "unknown"?
-
If this particular spreadsheet is not private, I'd suggest sharing it.  It is as close to impossible as it can be to answer this sort of question unless the issue is common, and you're the first person I know of who's hit this particular issue.

Having the "problem spreadsheet" makes it easier to figure out.
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NVDA and excel

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What can cause a cell with a formula to announce "unknown"? When I press f2. I can move to a cell above or below it and it shows me what the formula is.
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Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Louise Pfau
 

When I checked for both add-on and NVDA updates, I got a message that none were available.  I’m using NVDA 2021.2.  I realized that I’d replied to the wrong thread last night when I indicated that I’d applied the python fix and installed the new add-on updater.  I don’t know if I was actually impacted in the way that some others were because I never received an error message, just the standard one saying that there were no updates.
 
Louise


Re: Unable to click on the login link

Jackie
 

Hey P, this site is a real b-word, & that is the polite & edited
version. So I was able to do it in Chrome--firefox was pretty useless
w/it.

On entry, you're displayed an offer of the day, which you have to
click. Firefox didn't show it as that, ie, I think it's displayed as
an overlay.

Once you do that, click the login link, then go into forms mode by
pressing NVDA+spacebar.

Enabling object navigation, you'll find that it's asking for your email/mobile.

Definitively not designed w/the blind in mind.

On 10/3/21, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
Hi,


Although I'm not participating in this thread, I'd like you to hear a
few words from me:


When I happen to  come across a link that won't open after making 100
efforts to make it open, I then do the following:


I focus on the very link that won't budge, and then, I do the right
mouse clicking, and then I open the link in a new window in Chrome.
That's helped me several times. Make sure whether it is a link you wish
to open. If it turns out to be a button, then this trick won't help.


Hope this helps.


Cheers,


Dejan

On 03/10/2021 17:19, Gene wrote:
I have never seen that behavior.  I suspect it is rare or quite rare.
Perhaps you are talking about something you would usually hover over
with a mouse.
Whatever the case, I said that what is going on may require sighted
evaluation.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Sarah k Alawami <mailto:marrie12@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, October 03, 2021 10:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

I don’t often rely on that as sometimes when you tab away the edit
fields can and may disappear. What browser are you using btw.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, October 3, 2021 8:01 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

When I was on the link, I opened the context menu in the browser and
pressed enter on copy.  Your browser may say something different in
the menu like copy location or copy link. That copied the link to the
clipboard.  When I read what was there, it just said JAVA script.
Since you aren’t blocking scripts, finding out what is occurring on
the page may require sighted evaluation.  However, after you pressed
enter on the link, did you go to the top of the page and use the e
command to move through the page looking for an edit field that may
have come up in a different place on the page for logging in?

Gene

-----Original Message-----

*From:*Pranav Lal <mailto:pranav@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, October 03, 2021 9:45 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

Hi Gene,

I am not using any script blockers. The site is trust worthy but I
appreciate where you are coming from. How did you extract the
underlying link?

Pranav

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, October 3, 2021 7:49 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

Are you using any sort of script blocker or do you have JAVA scripts
set to off in your browser?  This is a JAVA script link, as I found
when I copied the underlying link to the clipboard.  I don’t know
anything about the trustworthiness of this site so I haven’t visited
the page with JAVA script enabled.

Gene

-----Original Message-----

*From:*Pranav Lal <mailto:pranav@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, October 03, 2021 8:25 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Unable to click on the login link

Hi all,

I am trying to click on the login link at the below URL.
https://offers.reward360.in/regalia <https://offers.reward360.in/regalia>

I see the login link but when I hit enter on it, nothing happens. I am
supposed to see some kind of popup box.
I have tried the following without success.
1. I have switched to focus mode and have then tabbed to the login
link and
hit enter.
2. I used object navigation to get to the link and then hit the activate
keystroke.
3.I used object navigation to get to the login link, hit the pass key
through keystroke and then hit the activate keystroke namely numeric pad
insert + enter in the nvda desktop keyboard layout.
4. I used the list of links feature, got to the login link and then
hit the
activate option.

What can I do to activate this link?
Note:
It is possible that the link is being activate but NVDA is not seeing the
box. However, I am not sure if this is the case.

Pranav




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Re: Unable to click on the login link

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi,


Although I'm not participating in this thread, I'd like you to hear a few words from me:


When I happen to  come across a link that won't open after making 100 efforts to make it open, I then do the following:


I focus on the very link that won't budge, and then, I do the right mouse clicking, and then I open the link in a new window in Chrome. That's helped me several times. Make sure whether it is a link you wish to open. If it turns out to be a button, then this trick won't help.


Hope this helps.


Cheers,


Dejan

On 03/10/2021 17:19, Gene wrote:
I have never seen that behavior.  I suspect it is rare or quite rare.  Perhaps you are talking about something you would usually hover over with a mouse. 
 
Whatever the case, I said that what is going on may require sighted evaluation.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link
 

I don’t often rely on that as sometimes when you tab away the edit fields can and may disappear. What browser are you using btw.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

When I was on the link, I opened the context menu in the browser and pressed enter on copy.  Your browser may say something different in the menu like copy location or copy link.  That copied the link to the clipboard.  When I read what was there, it just said JAVA script.  Since you aren’t blocking scripts, finding out what is occurring on the page may require sighted evaluation.  However, after you pressed enter on the link, did you go to the top of the page and use the e command to move through the page looking for an edit field that may have come up in a different place on the page for logging in?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Pranav Lal

Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Hi Gene,

 

I am not using any script blockers. The site is trust worthy but I appreciate where you are coming from. How did you extract the underlying link?

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Are you using any sort of script blocker or do you have JAVA scripts set to off in your browser?  This is a JAVA script link, as I found when I copied the underlying link to the clipboard.  I don’t know anything about the trustworthiness of this site so I haven’t visited the page with JAVA script enabled.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Pranav Lal

Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 8:25 AM

Subject: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Hi all,

I am trying to click on the login link at the below URL.
https://offers.reward360.in/regalia

I see the login link but when I hit enter on it, nothing happens. I am
supposed to see some kind of popup box.
I have tried the following without success.
1. I have switched to focus mode and have then tabbed to the login link and
hit enter.
2. I used object navigation to get to the link and then hit the activate
keystroke.
3.I used object navigation to get to the login link, hit the pass key
through keystroke and then hit the activate keystroke namely numeric pad
insert + enter in the nvda desktop keyboard layout.
4. I used the list of links feature, got to the login link and then hit the
activate option.

What can I do to activate this link?
Note:
It is possible that the link is being activate but NVDA is not seeing the
box. However, I am not sure if this is the case.

Pranav




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Re: Unable to click on the login link

 

That site's login process is, for all practical intents and purposes, inaccessible.  I do not believe you're having any issue activating the link, per se, but with all else that comes after.

The login link itself triggers a java script which causes what looks like a standard login overlay window to appear.  I did not try object navigation, but when doing the usual tabbing around I never even land in the edit box where you'd enter your login id, and all the other buttons and links as well as the X button to dismiss the window are unlabeled and just say, "blank."

This should be taken up with the site owner.
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Re: Unable to click on the login link

Gene
 

I have never seen that behavior.  I suspect it is rare or quite rare.  Perhaps you are talking about something you would usually hover over with a mouse. 
 
Whatever the case, I said that what is going on may require sighted evaluation.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link
 

I don’t often rely on that as sometimes when you tab away the edit fields can and may disappear. What browser are you using btw.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

When I was on the link, I opened the context menu in the browser and pressed enter on copy.  Your browser may say something different in the menu like copy location or copy link.  That copied the link to the clipboard.  When I read what was there, it just said JAVA script.  Since you aren’t blocking scripts, finding out what is occurring on the page may require sighted evaluation.  However, after you pressed enter on the link, did you go to the top of the page and use the e command to move through the page looking for an edit field that may have come up in a different place on the page for logging in?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Pranav Lal

Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Hi Gene,

 

I am not using any script blockers. The site is trust worthy but I appreciate where you are coming from. How did you extract the underlying link?

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Are you using any sort of script blocker or do you have JAVA scripts set to off in your browser?  This is a JAVA script link, as I found when I copied the underlying link to the clipboard.  I don’t know anything about the trustworthiness of this site so I haven’t visited the page with JAVA script enabled.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Pranav Lal

Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 8:25 AM

Subject: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Hi all,

I am trying to click on the login link at the below URL.
https://offers.reward360.in/regalia

I see the login link but when I hit enter on it, nothing happens. I am
supposed to see some kind of popup box.
I have tried the following without success.
1. I have switched to focus mode and have then tabbed to the login link and
hit enter.
2. I used object navigation to get to the link and then hit the activate
keystroke.
3.I used object navigation to get to the login link, hit the pass key
through keystroke and then hit the activate keystroke namely numeric pad
insert + enter in the nvda desktop keyboard layout.
4. I used the list of links feature, got to the login link and then hit the
activate option.

What can I do to activate this link?
Note:
It is possible that the link is being activate but NVDA is not seeing the
box. However, I am not sure if this is the case.

Pranav




Re: Unable to click on the login link

Sarah k Alawami
 

I don’t often rely on that as sometimes when you tab away the edit fields can and may disappear. What browser are you using btw.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

When I was on the link, I opened the context menu in the browser and pressed enter on copy.  Your browser may say something different in the menu like copy location or copy link.  That copied the link to the clipboard.  When I read what was there, it just said JAVA script.  Since you aren’t blocking scripts, finding out what is occurring on the page may require sighted evaluation.  However, after you pressed enter on the link, did you go to the top of the page and use the e command to move through the page looking for an edit field that may have come up in a different place on the page for logging in?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Pranav Lal

Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Hi Gene,

 

I am not using any script blockers. The site is trust worthy but I appreciate where you are coming from. How did you extract the underlying link?

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Are you using any sort of script blocker or do you have JAVA scripts set to off in your browser?  This is a JAVA script link, as I found when I copied the underlying link to the clipboard.  I don’t know anything about the trustworthiness of this site so I haven’t visited the page with JAVA script enabled.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Pranav Lal

Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 8:25 AM

Subject: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Hi all,

I am trying to click on the login link at the below URL.
https://offers.reward360.in/regalia

I see the login link but when I hit enter on it, nothing happens. I am
supposed to see some kind of popup box.
I have tried the following without success.
1. I have switched to focus mode and have then tabbed to the login link and
hit enter.
2. I used object navigation to get to the link and then hit the activate
keystroke.
3.I used object navigation to get to the login link, hit the pass key
through keystroke and then hit the activate keystroke namely numeric pad
insert + enter in the nvda desktop keyboard layout.
4. I used the list of links feature, got to the login link and then hit the
activate option.

What can I do to activate this link?
Note:
It is possible that the link is being activate but NVDA is not seeing the
box. However, I am not sure if this is the case.

Pranav




Re: Unable to click on the login link

Gene
 

When I was on the link, I opened the context menu in the browser and pressed enter on copy.  Your browser may say something different in the menu like copy location or copy link.  That copied the link to the clipboard.  When I read what was there, it just said JAVA script.  Since you aren’t blocking scripts, finding out what is occurring on the page may require sighted evaluation.  However, after you pressed enter on the link, did you go to the top of the page and use the e command to move through the page looking for an edit field that may have come up in a different place on the page for logging in?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link
 

Hi Gene,

 

I am not using any script blockers. The site is trust worthy but I appreciate where you are coming from. How did you extract the underlying link?

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Are you using any sort of script blocker or do you have JAVA scripts set to off in your browser?  This is a JAVA script link, as I found when I copied the underlying link to the clipboard.  I don’t know anything about the trustworthiness of this site so I haven’t visited the page with JAVA script enabled.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Pranav Lal

Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 8:25 AM

Subject: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Hi all,

I am trying to click on the login link at the below URL.
https://offers.reward360.in/regalia

I see the login link but when I hit enter on it, nothing happens. I am
supposed to see some kind of popup box.
I have tried the following without success.
1. I have switched to focus mode and have then tabbed to the login link and
hit enter.
2. I used object navigation to get to the link and then hit the activate
keystroke.
3.I used object navigation to get to the login link, hit the pass key
through keystroke and then hit the activate keystroke namely numeric pad
insert + enter in the nvda desktop keyboard layout.
4. I used the list of links feature, got to the login link and then hit the
activate option.

What can I do to activate this link?
Note:
It is possible that the link is being activate but NVDA is not seeing the
box. However, I am not sure if this is the case.

Pranav





Re: Unable to click on the login link

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Gene,

 

I am not using any script blockers. The site is trust worthy but I appreciate where you are coming from. How did you extract the underlying link?

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Are you using any sort of script blocker or do you have JAVA scripts set to off in your browser?  This is a JAVA script link, as I found when I copied the underlying link to the clipboard.  I don’t know anything about the trustworthiness of this site so I haven’t visited the page with JAVA script enabled.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Pranav Lal

Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 8:25 AM

Subject: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link

 

Hi all,

I am trying to click on the login link at the below URL.
https://offers.reward360.in/regalia

I see the login link but when I hit enter on it, nothing happens. I am
supposed to see some kind of popup box.
I have tried the following without success.
1. I have switched to focus mode and have then tabbed to the login link and
hit enter.
2. I used object navigation to get to the link and then hit the activate
keystroke.
3.I used object navigation to get to the login link, hit the pass key
through keystroke and then hit the activate keystroke namely numeric pad
insert + enter in the nvda desktop keyboard layout.
4. I used the list of links feature, got to the login link and then hit the
activate option.

What can I do to activate this link?
Note:
It is possible that the link is being activate but NVDA is not seeing the
box. However, I am not sure if this is the case.

Pranav





Re: Unable to click on the login link

Gene
 

Are you using any sort of script blocker or do you have JAVA scripts set to off in your browser?  This is a JAVA script link, as I found when I copied the underlying link to the clipboard.  I don’t know anything about the trustworthiness of this site so I haven’t visited the page with JAVA script enabled.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 8:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] Unable to click on the login link
 
Hi all,

I am trying to click on the login link at the below URL.
https://offers.reward360.in/regalia

I see the login link but when I hit enter on it, nothing happens. I am
supposed to see some kind of popup box.
I have tried the following without success.
1. I have switched to focus mode and have then tabbed to the login link and
hit enter.
2. I used object navigation to get to the link and then hit the activate
keystroke.
3.I used object navigation to get to the login link, hit the pass key
through keystroke and then hit the activate keystroke namely numeric pad
insert + enter in the nvda desktop keyboard layout.
4. I used the list of links feature, got to the login link and then hit the
activate option.

What can I do to activate this link?
Note:
It is possible that the link is being activate but NVDA is not seeing the
box. However, I am not sure if this is the case.

Pranav






Unable to click on the login link

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

I am trying to click on the login link at the below URL.
https://offers.reward360.in/regalia

I see the login link but when I hit enter on it, nothing happens. I am
supposed to see some kind of popup box.
I have tried the following without success.
1. I have switched to focus mode and have then tabbed to the login link and
hit enter.
2. I used object navigation to get to the link and then hit the activate
keystroke.
3.I used object navigation to get to the login link, hit the pass key
through keystroke and then hit the activate keystroke namely numeric pad
insert + enter in the nvda desktop keyboard layout.
4. I used the list of links feature, got to the login link and then hit the
activate option.

What can I do to activate this link?
Note:
It is possible that the link is being activate but NVDA is not seeing the
box. However, I am not sure if this is the case.

Pranav


Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Dan Beaver
 

It said that for me after installing the 21.10 update to the updater.  I did the check for add-on updates and got that message.


Dan Beaver

On 10/3/2021 12:33 AM, Ali Colak wrote:
  Hello,
I applied the mentioned fix, and while the addon updater checks for
updates, and I believe NVDA does the same, they do not say there are
no updates. All I see in that case is a close button. I am able to
infer that there are no updates obviously, but from previous
experience wouldn't it say, "there are no updates"?

On 10/2/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well I submitted the python fix of yesterday to the forum and this
worked on my secondary network.

Saying that a lot on that forum, well some of them, aren't that smart,
there are a loot of crack hackers but there are also a lot of kids or at
least adults with kid brains that just do and say whatever.

I don't respond to much of it anymore.

Obviously that forum is where all the audiogame tests and stuff come
from so I do have a presence on there, but there are people that look
for trouble so I mostly keep it down.



On 3/10/2021 10:34 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

I think I know the forum mentioned... Please tell folks there that, in
this case, downgrading may make things worse as the fix is unlikely to
be backported to older releases.

Cheers,

Joseph











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Re: Microsoft teams with nvda

udit pandey
 

yes its very accessalb


On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 at 12:02, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
I have only used it once but I did not find it much different then Zoom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 12:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft teams with nvda


> Hi guys
>
>
> I have been asked the following question about how well nvda works with
> Microsoft teams. I do not use it so can not comment.
>
>
> Are there others on the list who do and how well does it work with it.
>
>
> I did not see a add on for it so is one not required? unless I missed it
> on the website. I see there is one for zoom.
>
>
> I note there is a lot of shortcuts you can use with it so I guess nvda
> will work with it.
>
>
> any bugs to look out while using it or is it pretty good.
>
>
> I did come across this link and teams at
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-microsoft-teams-47614fb0-a583-49f6-84da-6872223e74a0?ui=en-us&rs=en-ie&ad=ie
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-microsoft-teams-47614fb0-a583-49f6-84da-6872223e74a0?ui=en-us&rs=en-ie&ad=ie>
>
> Any help would be good to feed back.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>








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