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Re: How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

David Griffith
 

Just to explain why read to end is not, as is often suggested,  really a resolution for this issue.

If I am reading and email with say multiple links of 200 characters or more, or obscure graphic descripters, or perhaps obscure table layouts if you need some table verbosity, the last thing you want your screenreader to do is to tediously babble through all these  verbose elements of an email in a read to end sequence.

You need  in these circumstances to quickly skip through all this by simply pressing the down arrow to read through an email efficiently and skip all the verbose link / elelment description whilst being aware it is there if you need to go back and review.

 

David Griffith

 

 

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From: Gene
Sent: 04 October 2021 02:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

It should be able to be done but is there a reason you don’t use read to end in e-mails?  Read to end doesn’t announce blank lines and starts reading the text skipping all blank lines if there are any.

 

Also, what program are you using for e-mail and are you reading mail in plain text or HTML?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 7:11 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

Thank you for bringing this up! It’s something that frequently irritates me but because it tends to happen during the midst of my work day, I forget to jot it down as a thing to explore here on the message board after work.

What would really be ideal is an option in NVDA settings that would cause the NVDA cursor to simply bypass blank lines. Sometimes when trying to read an email in outlook I have to press the down arrow well over a dozen times just to get to the first non-blank text. Control down arrow is supposed to take you to the next block but this doesn’t work, either. There’s no Practical reason why a user would want to sit there pounding the down arrow like a trained monkey just hearing the word ”blank” over and over and over LOL. it’s a mindless but seemingly unavoidable waste of time.



On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:47 AM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02@...> wrote:



Very interesting. Where do I go in NVDA to do this? If this is an elementary question I apologize; I'm a new user.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:45 PM
To: Gene <gsasner@...>
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

Hello,

rather forcing blank to be changed in pronunciation using a regular expression dictionary entry might be useful.

^ is the beginning of line in regular expressions.

$ is the end of line in regular expressions.

* in regular expressions means 0 or more of the previous character or pattern

So:

^ *$

should match a line with just spaces in it.  ( note there is a space between the ^ and the * , also note you might want to turn on all punctuation to read my descriptions above, I can't be sure on this computer how much of NVDA reads of the above special characters.

Jonathan

 

 

On Oct 2, 2021, at 11:38, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

I don’t know what accounts for the difference.  While others may know of another solution, you can use the speech dictionary so the word blank is never spoken.  But you may not want to do that in case you want to hear it spoken in certain contexts. 

 

Do you need to read moving line by line or can you read whatever you are reading using read to end.  If you use read to end, blank lines aren’t spoken.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 10:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] How do I Stop NVDA from saying Blank when I arrow down in a document or email

 

I'm just getting started using NVDA at home and at work. About the only issue I'm having so far is that, on my work computer, when I'm arrowing down a document, either in Outlook 2016, Word, or in a web application that uses Firefox or chrome, I can't get NVDA 2021-2 to stop saying "blank" whenever I encounter a blank line. I have punctuation and symbols  set to none, and NVDA is set not to echo typed characters. Strangely, this isn't happening on my home computer using Office 2019 programs and, as far as I know, I have NVDA configured the same way.

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

Thanks for the help.

John Riehl 

 

 


Re: Browse Mode single letter quick navigation shortcuts

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


What is happening is nvda not changing to browse mode? in a web page?


Is there some thing else grabbing the focus and you are stuck in focus mode?


Is it only in the one browser or all of the browsers or nvda is saying unknown down on the running applications area.


I guess the first thing I would try is running the Run COM Registration Fixing tool... under the tools section in nvda and follow the directions.


After that is done shut down the computer then start it up again and see if that fixes the problem.


There have been updates in the nvda 2021.2 release for this tool so make sure you have this version of nvda.


We wil see if it makes a difference.


Gene nz


On 5/10/2021 1:53 pm, Mike Adams wrote:
NVDA Browse mode single letter quick navigation shortcuts (H for heading X for checkbox etc.) do not work on this computer. I remember coming across an online page which recommended settings for Windows 10, to make this work, but I have not found that page since. Anyone remember the page I am talking about?
 
Using:
Current NVDA + previous version
Windows 10 Pro V: 20H2 Build: 19042.1165
Windows is maintained by an external company, but I have good coms with them.


Browse Mode single letter quick navigation shortcuts

Mike Adams
 

NVDA Browse mode single letter quick navigation shortcuts (H for heading X for checkbox etc.) do not work on this computer. I remember coming across an online page which recommended settings for Windows 10, to make this work, but I have not found that page since. Anyone remember the page I am talking about?
 
Using:
Current NVDA + previous version
Windows 10 Pro V: 20H2 Build: 19042.1165
Windows is maintained by an external company, but I have good coms with them.


Re: Inquiring About Using LogMeIn And Other Remote Access Tools With NVDA

Jim Pemberton
 

Being the manager of a radio station, I have found that NVDA remote is the only really accessible way of remotely controlling a computer.  I’ve tried most of the remote access software out there, and they all either have serious limitations, or just don’t work at all.  Team Viewer sort of works in a pinch, but NVDA remote is the only software I’ve found that allows me to do everything I need to do, and does not require some one to be at the sight of the remote PC to let me in. 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Inquiring About Using LogMeIn And Other Remote Access Tools With NVDA

 

I sometimes provide technical support for a sighted friend of my wife to assist her with her computer. Today she asked if I ever used LogMeIn to provide remote assistance. I’ve heard of this software but am wondering if anyone has ever tried using it with NVDA and if it is accessible? If it is not are there other remote access solutions which are recommended. If the NVDA Remote addon is my best solution I’m willing to install it on her machine but I wanted to see if other mainstream solutions were equally accessible.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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Inquiring About Using LogMeIn And Other Remote Access Tools With NVDA

David Goldfield
 

I sometimes provide technical support for a sighted friend of my wife to assist her with her computer. Today she asked if I ever used LogMeIn to provide remote assistance. I’ve heard of this software but am wondering if anyone has ever tried using it with NVDA and if it is accessible? If it is not are there other remote access solutions which are recommended. If the NVDA Remote addon is my best solution I’m willing to install it on her machine but I wanted to see if other mainstream solutions were equally accessible.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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Re: Slide deck prep

Quentin Christensen
 

There is the Microsoft PowerPoint with NVDA training module from NV Access: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-powerpoint-with-nvda-ebook/

Available individually, or as part of the NVDA Productivity Bundle: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/nvda-productivity-bundle/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 2:38 AM Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...> wrote:
Are there any good resources on how to use PowerPoint or Google Slides with NVDA to prepare a slide deck for presentation?  I've actually never done this before.

Christopher BArtlett


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Missing option for NLS e-reader braille display?

Shawn
 

Hi, new to the list, though I was on this one or one like it several years ago. I just joined the NLS pilot program for the E-Reader, and my email address can’t seem to get added to their list there, so thought I’d ask here. I’m using NVDA 2021.2, and whether I try using the E-reader as a braille display via USB or Bluetooth, the automatic choice for braille display is always Humanware Brailliant. I understand that that’s the device that the NLS E-Reader was built from, but I know there’s supposed to be a driver or choice called NLS E-Reader, but it just isn’t there. There’s no NLS E-reader choice in the list either, and so I can’t use the braille keys or keyboard to do anything, I can only read the 20 cells around where the NVDA cursor is, controlled with my regular keyboard. It works perfectly with my Iphone, I can navigate and use it as a keyboard as expected, but not with NVDA on Windows 10. I can’t find anywhere to download the correct driver, and the lady from the library has no idea about how to set it up to work with NVDA. Would appreciate any ideas.

Shawn Klein

 

 

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Re: remote

Jackie
 

Looks like those that followed thru are the initial creators of NVDA
Remote. Good for Christopher & Tyler!

On 10/4/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Could this be another manifestation of the root certificate expiration?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Pemberton
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2021 3:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] remote

I’ve not been able to connect all day myself. I’m thinking that the NVDA
remote proxy server is down. I know I can set up my own remote server, but
I’m not sure how to do that. Any help would be appreciated, as I need the
remote facility to look after my internet radio station.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc
Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] remote



a friend has the remote options set but when he reboots NVDA he is not
connecting to the nvdaremote.com.

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Re: remote

Gene
 

Could this be another manifestation of the root certificate expiration?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2021 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] remote
 

I’ve not been able to connect all day myself.  I’m thinking that the NVDA remote proxy server is down.  I know I can set up my own remote server, but I’m not sure how to do that.  Any help would be appreciated, as I need the remote facility to look after my internet radio station. 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] remote

 

a friend has the remote options set but when he reboots NVDA he is not connecting to the nvdaremote.com.

**********
checkout my internet station Family times
Music, TV shows, christian radio dramas, cooking shows, books and movies
Just ask your smart speaker to play family times on TuneIn
or click the link below
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3

 

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Re: remote

 

Jim,

Actually, I was not, and am thrilled to see that someone not only had the idea for such a directory, but followed through with creating it.

I would suggest that those who normally use nvdaremote.com as their relay server look at https://nvra.io/ for alternatives.  Having servers B, C, and D, is always wise.
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Re: remote

Jim Pemberton
 

Brian, my apologies if you are already aware of this, but a quick Google search gave me this result, which may go along with what you’ve just said in this post.  https://nvra.io/

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 4:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] remote

 

This could very easily be a spin-off of the other issues on the internet today.

That being said, I have proposed on multiple occasions that we begin to maintain a list of private NVDA Remote servers available for "the public" (which would mostly be members here) to use.  Many have set them up, and if there are not issues related to bandwidth expense, it makes sense to share them for occasions such as this.

I think that nvdaremote.com is actually what I'd call a private server available for the public to connect to.  They exist for myriad purposes, but the volume any one of them would likely get at any time is not likely to be a data tsunami.
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Re: NVDA and excel

 

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 04:58 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
But it is just these two cells.
-
Hence the reason for my earlier suggestions, because those 2 cells are not giving me any issue using the file you gave the link to.

You could also try an uninstall/reinstall on NVDA and/or a repair install on Microsoft Office, too.  This is definitely an odd one.
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Re: remote

 

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 04:59 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
i wonder what the requirements need to be to point to your own server?
-
Normally I'd tell you to look at nvdaremote.com, as I seem to recall the documentation for setting up your own NVDA Remote server was quite good.

Alas, at the moment, all related to nvdaremote.com is at a standstill.
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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: remote

 

This could very easily be a spin-off of the other issues on the internet today.

That being said, I have proposed on multiple occasions that we begin to maintain a list of private NVDA Remote servers available for "the public" (which would mostly be members here) to use.  Many have set them up, and if there are not issues related to bandwidth expense, it makes sense to share them for occasions such as this.

I think that nvdaremote.com is actually what I'd call a private server available for the public to connect to.  They exist for myriad purposes, but the volume any one of them would likely get at any time is not likely to be a data tsunami.
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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: remote

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

i wonder what the requirements need to be to point to your own server?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] remote

I’ve not been able to connect all day myself.  I’m thinking that the NVDA remote proxy server is down.  I know I can set up my own remote server, but I’m not sure how to do that.  Any help would be appreciated, as I need the remote facility to look after my internet radio station. 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] remote

 

a friend has the remote options set but when he reboots NVDA he is not connecting to the nvdaremote.com.

**********
checkout my internet station Family times
Music, TV shows, christian radio dramas, cooking shows, books and movies
Just ask your smart speaker to play family times on TuneIn
or click the link below
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3

 

Saturdays at 8am MDT on Club House look for the family reading room


Re: NVDA and excel

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


But it is just these two cells. the others work just fine. I can press f2 and it lets me arrow through the formula.

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and excel

Before that, please check if Editing on the cell is checked. If so, uncheck.

It is in Excel options, under Editing or Advanced, I don't remember...


Best regards, 
 
Rui Fontes  
NVDA portuguese team  

Às 14:45 de 04/10/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:
Sorry, Robert, but I can't replicate the problem under Excel 2016, and I did not have it update the file format to xlsx.

If you are using one of the newer (2013 or later) versions of Excel I'd suggest trying a Save As and use the xlsx modern Excel file format rather than compatibility with older versions of Excel then see what happens.

If you're using a version of Office that's 2010 or earlier the time has come to update.
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Re: remote

Jim Pemberton
 

I’ve not been able to connect all day myself.  I’m thinking that the NVDA remote proxy server is down.  I know I can set up my own remote server, but I’m not sure how to do that.  Any help would be appreciated, as I need the remote facility to look after my internet radio station. 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] remote

 

a friend has the remote options set but when he reboots NVDA he is not connecting to the nvdaremote.com.

**********
checkout my internet station Family times
Music, TV shows, christian radio dramas, cooking shows, books and movies
Just ask your smart speaker to play family times on TuneIn
or click the link below
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3

 

Saturdays at 8am MDT on Club House look for the family reading room


Re: Is there a way to control click (select) with NVDA?

Life in Six Dots
 

I’ll second “Really Simple SSL”.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, 04 October 2021 18:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there a way to control click (select) with NVDA?

 

Well

I use this plugin.

Really Simple SSL

You don't need to direct anything its going to do it for you.

Your previder does need an updated cert and you have to be able to manually or automatically be able to keep that updated but as far as I understand it you just plug and play.

I have certainly had no issues with that plugin.

 

 

On 5/10/2021 2:53 am, Joshua Tubbs wrote:

I am trying to do 301 redirects to support HTTPS on my WordPress site. A guide I came across suggests using the Better Search Replace plugin to edit the URLs in the database tables from HTTP to HTTPS. However, the plugin has an unconventional list box with the tables in it and it says to control click on Windows to select multiple tables.

Is there any way to do this with NVDA, or is this just an inaccessible list box element and I need to find some other obscure way no doubt.

Thanks.


remote

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

a friend has the remote options set but when he reboots NVDA he is not connecting to the nvdaremote.com.
**********
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Music, TV shows, christian radio dramas, cooking shows, books and movies
Just ask your smart speaker to play family times on TuneIn
or click the link below
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Re: Making NVDA pronounce letters phonetically

Rui Fontes
 

No, so far, the page with more add-ons, oficial or not, is www.nvda.es.


Rui Fontes


Às 20:26 de 04/10/2021, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

I actually mean this link. That is a repo for all addons official and nonofficial.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 12:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making NVDA pronounce letters phonetically

 

No, this one cames from my personal collection...

As far as I know, it is not yet oficially updated...

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 18:13 de 04/10/2021, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

Is this on the nvda add ons site, the one that lists *all* add ons which I cant’ remember now? The one someone so kindly put together?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making NVDA pronounce letters phonetically

 

What the user wants is that NVDA announces automatically the phonetic alphabet.

 

He must use this add-on:

Author: David CM
Add-on name: Enhanced Phonetic Reading
Description: This add-on add some features to phonetic reading as the following:
announce the character description for the last read character after n milliseconds when the character was read by character review commands, E.G. left and right arrow keys, left, current or right character review commands, ETC.
Read the character description instead of the current character. This feature must be enabled or disabled manually and will be deactivated when NVDA is closed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3q51767illr4gia/EnhancedPhoneticReading_0.5a2_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Às 05:18 de 04/10/2021, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Hi Sameer,

 

NVDA can give you phonetic pronunciation, but the execution is slightly different.  If you press many NVDA keystrokes once, they will read the information, twice quickly spells it, and three times quickly spells it phonetically.  For instance, if you press NVDA+up arrow (or NVDA+l if using laptop keyboard layout), NVDA will read the current line.  If you press it twice quickly, it will spell the current line, and if you press it three times quickly it will spell it phonetically.

 

For words, press numpad 5 or NVDA+control+dot

For the current character, press numpad 2 or NVDA+dot

 

(For those thinking ahead, yes they report the word or character at the review cursor, but anyone not already familiar with that probably isn't moving the review cursor independently of the caret too often).

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:49 PM Sameer Latey <salatey@...> wrote:


Dear List Members,


In JAWS, if the user stays on a letter for 5 seconds, JAWS will speak
the letter phonetically. For example, if the user stays on the letter G
in the word God, JAWS will first read G & after 5 seconds, say Golf.


Is there a similar setting or add-on in NVDA?


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