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Re: adobe reader 64 bit does not work with NVDA

enes sarıbaş
 

this sequence repeats in the log.

ERROR - RPC process 10084 (Acrobat.exe) (14:56:39.824) - Dummy-1229 (4232):
Thread 8124, build\x86_64\remote\COMProxyRegistration.cpp, registerCOMProxy, 182:
Unable to register interface IAccessibleHyperlink with proxy stub IAccessible2Proxy.dll, code -2147023156

On 10/7/2021 3:05 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
Hi all,

I am running latest windows 10 21h1, with NVDA latest alpha build   as of this writing.   Adobe reader 64 bit doesn't work at all.  When clicking on a document, it becomes unresponsive, and exits adobe reader within 30 seconds with no error message.  Is anyone else experiencing this?


adobe reader 64 bit does not work with NVDA

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi all,

I am running latest windows 10 21h1, with NVDA latest alpha build   as of this writing.   Adobe reader 64 bit doesn't work at all.  When clicking on a document, it becomes unresponsive, and exits adobe reader within 30 seconds with no error message.  Is anyone else experiencing this?


Re: Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

David Goldfield
 

Thanks for confirming this, Steve.

It’s one of those nice to have features but, for me, it is not essential. I occasionally use it for apps which frequently update the screen, such as when I copy a large number of files from one folder to another or when installing a piece of software where I want to automatically hear all of the changes which are taking place. Having all screen changes announced during such events is convenient but, again, not essential, at least for me. With NVDA I can always just use its review cursor to manually review screen updates. For most situations most of the time I never need to rely on it but someone else’s use case might dictate otherwise.

For those individuals I would say that filing this as a feature request in NVDA’s Github would be appropriate.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 7:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

You’re right David, I just tried it. It doesn’t echo anything when first turned on.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: 07 October 2021 10:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

My only disagreement with Steve’s description is that when you set the JAWS screen echo to “all” it does not automatically speak the contents of the screen.

This is not particularly detailed but here is the relevant description taken from the JAWS help system:

Screen Echo

This option allows you to select what information is echoed when text on the screen changes.

  • Off: Changes to displayed text are not echoed.
  • Highlighted: Changes to highlighted text are echoed. This is the default setting.
  • All: Changes to any displayed text are echoed.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

Hi Quentin,

 

Essentially, it does exactly as described earlier down the thread.

 

When you enable it, it echoes the whole screen once. Then it monitors for changes and echoes them.

 

This is very useful for accessibility testing. It’s probably not a mainstream feature that everyone could use, but it would be helpful to have it.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 06 October 2021 22:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

Perhaps what would be helpful here would be for someone familiar with the Jaws feature, to please describe how it works for the user?  Ok, so I'm a user, I have a program which doesn't seem to be accessible, I launch this feature.... what does it do?

 

With a number of features, it may be that there is a solution to a problem, and it may or may not be identical to the way Jaws does it, and I think sometimes we get stuck on "this is what Jaws does, I want it to work the same", rather than "this is the problem I'm trying to solve, is there a solution"?

 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 2:42 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 10:07 AM, Gene wrote:

Not having both of these options imposes limitations that should be discussed unless there is a technical reason that they can’t be implemented.

-
Gene,

There are multitudes of things that could, potentially, be implemented but that are not because the need for same is so infrequent and/or other things have higher priority.  I say that not as a criticism of you, but in reaction to an observation that's often repeated that has the underlying belief that because someone, somewhere, once in a blue moon might be able to use a feature that it should be implemented.  That's not always the case.

And in an instance such as this one, it makes way more sense to pursue accessibility improvements through the developers of the apps, rather than having the screen reader(s) workaround what is clearly bad to non-existent accessibility in the software design itself.
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Re: Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

Steve Nutt
 

You’re right David, I just tried it. It doesn’t echo anything when first turned on.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: 07 October 2021 10:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

My only disagreement with Steve’s description is that when you set the JAWS screen echo to “all” it does not automatically speak the contents of the screen.

This is not particularly detailed but here is the relevant description taken from the JAWS help system:

Screen Echo

This option allows you to select what information is echoed when text on the screen changes.

  • Off: Changes to displayed text are not echoed.
  • Highlighted: Changes to highlighted text are echoed. This is the default setting.
  • All: Changes to any displayed text are echoed.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

Hi Quentin,

 

Essentially, it does exactly as described earlier down the thread.

 

When you enable it, it echoes the whole screen once. Then it monitors for changes and echoes them.

 

This is very useful for accessibility testing. It’s probably not a mainstream feature that everyone could use, but it would be helpful to have it.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 06 October 2021 22:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

Perhaps what would be helpful here would be for someone familiar with the Jaws feature, to please describe how it works for the user?  Ok, so I'm a user, I have a program which doesn't seem to be accessible, I launch this feature.... what does it do?

 

With a number of features, it may be that there is a solution to a problem, and it may or may not be identical to the way Jaws does it, and I think sometimes we get stuck on "this is what Jaws does, I want it to work the same", rather than "this is the problem I'm trying to solve, is there a solution"?

 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 2:42 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 10:07 AM, Gene wrote:

Not having both of these options imposes limitations that should be discussed unless there is a technical reason that they can’t be implemented.

-
Gene,

There are multitudes of things that could, potentially, be implemented but that are not because the need for same is so infrequent and/or other things have higher priority.  I say that not as a criticism of you, but in reaction to an observation that's often repeated that has the underlying belief that because someone, somewhere, once in a blue moon might be able to use a feature that it should be implemented.  That's not always the case.

And in an instance such as this one, it makes way more sense to pursue accessibility improvements through the developers of the apps, rather than having the screen reader(s) workaround what is clearly bad to non-existent accessibility in the software design itself.
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Re: Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

David Goldfield
 

My only disagreement with Steve’s description is that when you set the JAWS screen echo to “all” it does not automatically speak the contents of the screen.

This is not particularly detailed but here is the relevant description taken from the JAWS help system:

Screen Echo

This option allows you to select what information is echoed when text on the screen changes.

  • Off: Changes to displayed text are not echoed.
  • Highlighted: Changes to highlighted text are echoed. This is the default setting.
  • All: Changes to any displayed text are echoed.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

Hi Quentin,

 

Essentially, it does exactly as described earlier down the thread.

 

When you enable it, it echoes the whole screen once. Then it monitors for changes and echoes them.

 

This is very useful for accessibility testing. It’s probably not a mainstream feature that everyone could use, but it would be helpful to have it.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 06 October 2021 22:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

Perhaps what would be helpful here would be for someone familiar with the Jaws feature, to please describe how it works for the user?  Ok, so I'm a user, I have a program which doesn't seem to be accessible, I launch this feature.... what does it do?

 

With a number of features, it may be that there is a solution to a problem, and it may or may not be identical to the way Jaws does it, and I think sometimes we get stuck on "this is what Jaws does, I want it to work the same", rather than "this is the problem I'm trying to solve, is there a solution"?

 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 2:42 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 10:07 AM, Gene wrote:

Not having both of these options imposes limitations that should be discussed unless there is a technical reason that they can’t be implemented.

-
Gene,

There are multitudes of things that could, potentially, be implemented but that are not because the need for same is so infrequent and/or other things have higher priority.  I say that not as a criticism of you, but in reaction to an observation that's often repeated that has the underlying belief that because someone, somewhere, once in a blue moon might be able to use a feature that it should be implemented.  That's not always the case.

And in an instance such as this one, it makes way more sense to pursue accessibility improvements through the developers of the apps, rather than having the screen reader(s) workaround what is clearly bad to non-existent accessibility in the software design itself.
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Re: Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

Steve Nutt
 

Jean, you are exactly right.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 06 October 2021 22:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

I’m certainly not stuck on it and those who use JAWS can test and see if the feature works as I recall.  I haven’t used it for so long my memory may not be correct.  My recollection, from when I used it with a shell account in the late nineties with the Pine e-mail program is that it read everything on a screen the first time the screen was presented in full.  Then, my recollection is that if you let the computer sit on that screen, only new or changed material was read.  I seem to recall that if I was in the Pine inbox, swhen the status line almost at the bottom of the screen changed to announce the arrival of x number of new messages, that that line would be read automatically and nothing else. 

Others can confirm my recollection or state if it is wrong. 

 

If something that acts as I recall JAWS doing isn’t practical, then why have frames not been oincorporated into NVDA?  Why haven’t they been incorporated even if speak all were incorporated? In a frame, you define a certain part of the screen, and instruct the frame what to do.  For example, a frame could be instructed to read the text in the frame when it changes or to look for specific text and do something specific such as speak it or take an action.  Is there a technical reason this has never been done or has it just never been done?  Frames, Window-eyes called the same feature hyperactive windows, as I recall, allows a user who doesn’t know how to script to do a good deal of customization.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 4:40 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

Perhaps what would be helpful here would be for someone familiar with the Jaws feature, to please describe how it works for the user?  Ok, so I'm a user, I have a program which doesn't seem to be accessible, I launch this feature.... what does it do?

 

With a number of features, it may be that there is a solution to a problem, and it may or may not be identical to the way Jaws does it, and I think sometimes we get stuck on "this is what Jaws does, I want it to work the same", rather than "this is the problem I'm trying to solve, is there a solution"?

 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 2:42 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 10:07 AM, Gene wrote:

Not having both of these options imposes limitations that should be discussed unless there is a technical reason that they can’t be implemented.

-
Gene,

There are multitudes of things that could, potentially, be implemented but that are not because the need for same is so infrequent and/or other things have higher priority.  I say that not as a criticism of you, but in reaction to an observation that's often repeated that has the underlying belief that because someone, somewhere, once in a blue moon might be able to use a feature that it should be implemented.  That's not always the case.

And in an instance such as this one, it makes way more sense to pursue accessibility improvements through the developers of the apps, rather than having the screen reader(s) workaround what is clearly bad to non-existent accessibility in the software design itself.
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Re: Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Quentin,

 

Essentially, it does exactly as described earlier down the thread.

 

When you enable it, it echoes the whole screen once. Then it monitors for changes and echoes them.

 

This is very useful for accessibility testing. It’s probably not a mainstream feature that everyone could use, but it would be helpful to have it.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 06 October 2021 22:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Equivalent to Jaw's Screen Echo

 

Perhaps what would be helpful here would be for someone familiar with the Jaws feature, to please describe how it works for the user?  Ok, so I'm a user, I have a program which doesn't seem to be accessible, I launch this feature.... what does it do?

 

With a number of features, it may be that there is a solution to a problem, and it may or may not be identical to the way Jaws does it, and I think sometimes we get stuck on "this is what Jaws does, I want it to work the same", rather than "this is the problem I'm trying to solve, is there a solution"?

 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 2:42 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 10:07 AM, Gene wrote:

Not having both of these options imposes limitations that should be discussed unless there is a technical reason that they can’t be implemented.

-
Gene,

There are multitudes of things that could, potentially, be implemented but that are not because the need for same is so infrequent and/or other things have higher priority.  I say that not as a criticism of you, but in reaction to an observation that's often repeated that has the underlying belief that because someone, somewhere, once in a blue moon might be able to use a feature that it should be implemented.  That's not always the case.

And in an instance such as this one, it makes way more sense to pursue accessibility improvements through the developers of the apps, rather than having the screen reader(s) workaround what is clearly bad to non-existent accessibility in the software design itself.
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locked As Concerns Windows 11 Installation

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

So with all the discussion of Windows 11 installation and functionality, i decided to check for updates and install Windows 11. The first thing I did was to download a file that is supposed to determine whether or not my system will support Windows 11. The file is called: WindowsPCHealthCheckSetup.exe.

I did this, ran it and it approved of my current system. Then I went to the Windows update on my system and saw that Windows 11 was indeed available for my system. I click on the download and install button and after several minutes, I was prompted to restart my computer. After another few minutes, my system booted successfully and I received the message: "Updates are being installed; please don't turn off your computer.'  After several more minutes, this message went away and everything ran fine.

...Except when I opened the start menu and typed in Winver and pressed enter, Windows informed me that I was still running Windows 10.

When I checked Windows update, it now says that I am up to date.
What happened?

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Re: windows 11 installation

betina vega
 

Hi, Brian:

Thank you for your response.
I will consider this, and probably wait.

Sincerely,
Betina Vega

On 10/6/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
From Joseph Lee, on Windows Access for Screen Reader Users Group message #
54796 ( https://winaccess.groups.io/g/winaccess/message/54796 ) :

*NVDA 2021.2 is required when using Windows 11 (older releases will work but
support isn’t really guaranteed). I would say that it would be best to think
about Windows 11 upgrades after NVDA 2021.3 comes out.*

I would presume that 2021.2 would be just fine.  But I'll add to what Joseph
said by saying that I wouldn't be in any rush to upgrade to Windows 11 until
at least 4 to six months have passed since its introduction (which is
effectively now).  So, I'd not be doing a Windows 11 upgrade until February,
at earliest, and would probably wait until early May 2022.
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 and Windows 11, should we wait for NVDA 2021.3?

John Isige
 

Thanks Quentin! Yeah, I was asking if NVDA 2021.2 worked with Windows 11. Glad to know it does. Like I said, I generally update whenever Windows has something, so I'll just switch when it becomes available, most likely.


On 10/6/2021 5:05 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi John,

Are you asking whether NVDA 2021.2 (the current version) works with Windows 11, or if you should wait for the next version, since Windows 11 was only released yesterday?

Microsoft have been releasing preview builds of Windows 11 for some time and working on those, we made NVDA 2021.2 work with the new features, which is why we are happy to say NVDA 2021.2 works with Windows 11: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-2/

Obviously we will continue to improve NVDA and address issues which get reported - and indeed we expect Microsoft will keep working on tweaking Windows 11, and they have Windows 10 since its release.

So, the main question is, assuming your current PC can run Windows 11, do you want to make the switch yet?  I personally haven't used it yet, so I'll leave it for others to argue the merits for and against that.  But what I will say is Microsoft have stated that support for Windows 10 will continue until October 2025.  NVDA will continue to support Windows 10 at least as long as Microsoft does, and as has been the case with previous versions of Windows, likely much longer.  Windows XP reached end of life in 2014 and we supported it up until NVDA 2017.3.  Windows 7 went out of support last year and we still support it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 5:38 AM John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:
Hi all.


Normally, I wouldn't ask about this. But I know that NVDA 2021.3
mentioned work for Windows 11. Normally I just update as soon as I can,
just to get it over with, and I haven't really run into any problems.
But since I don't know about NVDA compatibility with Windows 11, now
I'll ask. Do we need to wait for the next version to update to Windows
11 to get the best user experience? Or does current NVDA work just fine
with it? I wouldn't think they'd change that much in Windows to cause
significant issues. But since NVDA is officially mentioning doing work
for 11, it seems best to ask this time.








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Re: Need help using TWBlue

Kim Vaughn
 

Hello John,

Once you hear ready y right arrow then down arrow to get to the different
sections in the tree view.
P

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John J.
Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 8:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Need help using TWBlue

Hello,

I'm not very good with web sites. So a little help would be appreciated.
After it starts and log in it says ready and then displays a tree view. How
do I access the tree view? How do I see the tweets from the sites that I am
following?

Thanks,
John

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Re: Why, oh why can I not get my choice of NVDA audio output device to stay as I set it?

Gene
 

That’s an important thing to know.  I wouldn’t have thought of an add-on causing the problem. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why, oh why can I not get my choice of NVDA audio output device to stay as I set it?
 

OK, my point exactly, though I saved the configuration with NVDA+CONTROL+c, then just restarting NVDA, the device I told NVDA  to use is again NOT selected but Microsoft sound mapper which I DO NOT WANT. The device is running because my computer doesn't take power from the device since it is plugged into a powered hub, but NVDA insists on using sound mapper.

So, as I'd mentioned if I am recording off the net through Edge and redirecting it to virtual cable line one which with edge is using Microsoft sound mapper, restart NVDA for any reason, it reverts to sound mapper and any speech then gets recorded, destroying any recording I've done with what my synthesizer is saying.

No thanks, :) and I then need to start the recording all over, etc.

btw I hadn't seen other replies to  this message, just Quentin's, thank you.

 

and I discovered, that "unmute audio" add-on has a configuration which resets to original device"

so that was the culpritt.

 

 

On 10/6/2021 4:41 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Gene,
 
Making a change to any of NVDA's settings and pressing the OK (or apply) button, simply changes the current setting, but does not save the change.  NVDA by default is set to save its configuration on exit, and as long as NVDA exits normally (eg it doesn't crash) that should be fine.  If you have turned that setting off though, you will need to save your configuration manually by pressing NVDA+control+c.

The original poster mentioned they had saved with NVDA+control+c so this seems like a different issue.  FWIW, I just went into NVDA's synthesizer settings, changed my output device, saved and restarted NVDA and it came up using the output device I had changed to, so that seems to work as advertised.  For Curtis - If NVDA is starting on system startup, I wonder if it could be that the device you are intending to use isn't ready yet and that is why it falls back to the Microsoft Sound mapper?  If you make the change, save settings and then restart NVDA, what sound device is selected?  If that works then it might be the device not being ready on system startup, although I can't think of a workaround for that offhand.
 
Quentin.
 
On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 10:08 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you using the select synthesizer dialog in NVDA to make the change?  Are you selecting what you want to be used and then activating the ok button?  If so, and if the change isn’t retained, there is a problem but I’m not sure what it is.  The function should work properly.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] why, oh why?
 
When I save my configuration, and tell my preferred synthesizer to use a
particular sound card, save the configuration by hitting nvda-control-c,
then even ask NVDA to use this configuration when the computer boots,
etc. and then reload NVDA, I still get "microsoft sound mapper," what am
I doing wrong?

I DO NOT ALWAYS wish sound mapper, I wish only my particular sound
device to be used. Here's an example;

If ms sound mapper is used, if I am recording a remote broadcast and
routing it to let's say line one of virtual audio cable, that is also
Microsoft's sound mapper since that is from where the remote broadcast
comes in through Edge, right?

So if I tell NVDA to only use my sound card, why oh why is not that part
of the saved configuration? I ONLY WISH NVDA to use what I tell it too,
not to re-do sound mapper.

How many times does windows' figure they know more than we do?


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Re: Need help using TWBlue

 

You should press right arrow and then down arrow to your "home" buffer. You should then be able to tab and read your tweets.


Control+r should let you reply to them. control+shift+r should allow you to retweet a tweet.





On 10/6/2021 9:53 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Hello,

I'm not very good with web sites. So a little help would be appreciated. After it starts and log in it says ready and then displays a tree view. How do I access the tree view? How do I see the tweets from the sites that I am following?

Thanks,
John


Need help using TWBlue

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Hello,

I'm not very good with web sites. So a little help would be appreciated. After it starts and log in it says ready and then displays a tree view. How do I access the tree view? How do I see the tweets from the sites that I am following?

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Re: Why, oh why can I not get my choice of NVDA audio output device to stay as I set it?

Quentin Christensen
 

Ah glad you got to the bottom of it.  I had run out of ideas :)

(Unmute audio add-on was the culprit)

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 12:06 PM Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

 OK, my point exactly, though I saved the configuration with NVDA+CONTROL+c, then just restarting NVDA, the device I told NVDA  to use is again NOT selected but Microsoft sound mapper which I DO NOT WANT. The device is running because my computer doesn't take power from the device since it is plugged into a powered hub, but NVDA insists on using sound mapper.

So, as I'd mentioned if I am recording off the net through Edge and redirecting it to virtual cable line one which with edge is using Microsoft sound mapper, restart NVDA for any reason, it reverts to sound mapper and any speech then gets recorded, destroying any recording I've done with what my synthesizer is saying.

No thanks, :) and I then need to start the recording all over, etc.

btw I hadn't seen other replies to  this message, just Quentin's, thank you.


and I discovered, that "unmute audio" add-on has a configuration which resets to original device"

so that was the culpritt.



On 10/6/2021 4:41 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Gene,

Making a change to any of NVDA's settings and pressing the OK (or apply) button, simply changes the current setting, but does not save the change.  NVDA by default is set to save its configuration on exit, and as long as NVDA exits normally (eg it doesn't crash) that should be fine.  If you have turned that setting off though, you will need to save your configuration manually by pressing NVDA+control+c.

The original poster mentioned they had saved with NVDA+control+c so this seems like a different issue.  FWIW, I just went into NVDA's synthesizer settings, changed my output device, saved and restarted NVDA and it came up using the output device I had changed to, so that seems to work as advertised.  For Curtis - If NVDA is starting on system startup, I wonder if it could be that the device you are intending to use isn't ready yet and that is why it falls back to the Microsoft Sound mapper?  If you make the change, save settings and then restart NVDA, what sound device is selected?  If that works then it might be the device not being ready on system startup, although I can't think of a workaround for that offhand.

Quentin.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 10:08 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you using the select synthesizer dialog in NVDA to make the change?  Are you selecting what you want to be used and then activating the ok button?  If so, and if the change isn’t retained, there is a problem but I’m not sure what it is.  The function should work properly.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] why, oh why?
 
When I save my configuration, and tell my preferred synthesizer to use a
particular sound card, save the configuration by hitting nvda-control-c,
then even ask NVDA to use this configuration when the computer boots,
etc. and then reload NVDA, I still get "microsoft sound mapper," what am
I doing wrong?

I DO NOT ALWAYS wish sound mapper, I wish only my particular sound
device to be used. Here's an example;

If ms sound mapper is used, if I am recording a remote broadcast and
routing it to let's say line one of virtual audio cable, that is also
Microsoft's sound mapper since that is from where the remote broadcast
comes in through Edge, right?

So if I tell NVDA to only use my sound card, why oh why is not that part
of the saved configuration? I ONLY WISH NVDA to use what I tell it too,
not to re-do sound mapper.

How many times does windows' figure they know more than we do?


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H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...







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H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...



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Re: Why, oh why can I not get my choice of NVDA audio output device to stay as I set it?

Curtis Delzer
 

 OK, my point exactly, though I saved the configuration with NVDA+CONTROL+c, then just restarting NVDA, the device I told NVDA  to use is again NOT selected but Microsoft sound mapper which I DO NOT WANT. The device is running because my computer doesn't take power from the device since it is plugged into a powered hub, but NVDA insists on using sound mapper.

So, as I'd mentioned if I am recording off the net through Edge and redirecting it to virtual cable line one which with edge is using Microsoft sound mapper, restart NVDA for any reason, it reverts to sound mapper and any speech then gets recorded, destroying any recording I've done with what my synthesizer is saying.

No thanks, :) and I then need to start the recording all over, etc.

btw I hadn't seen other replies to  this message, just Quentin's, thank you.


and I discovered, that "unmute audio" add-on has a configuration which resets to original device"

so that was the culpritt.



On 10/6/2021 4:41 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Gene,

Making a change to any of NVDA's settings and pressing the OK (or apply) button, simply changes the current setting, but does not save the change.  NVDA by default is set to save its configuration on exit, and as long as NVDA exits normally (eg it doesn't crash) that should be fine.  If you have turned that setting off though, you will need to save your configuration manually by pressing NVDA+control+c.

The original poster mentioned they had saved with NVDA+control+c so this seems like a different issue.  FWIW, I just went into NVDA's synthesizer settings, changed my output device, saved and restarted NVDA and it came up using the output device I had changed to, so that seems to work as advertised.  For Curtis - If NVDA is starting on system startup, I wonder if it could be that the device you are intending to use isn't ready yet and that is why it falls back to the Microsoft Sound mapper?  If you make the change, save settings and then restart NVDA, what sound device is selected?  If that works then it might be the device not being ready on system startup, although I can't think of a workaround for that offhand.

Quentin.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 10:08 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you using the select synthesizer dialog in NVDA to make the change?  Are you selecting what you want to be used and then activating the ok button?  If so, and if the change isn’t retained, there is a problem but I’m not sure what it is.  The function should work properly.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] why, oh why?
 
When I save my configuration, and tell my preferred synthesizer to use a
particular sound card, save the configuration by hitting nvda-control-c,
then even ask NVDA to use this configuration when the computer boots,
etc. and then reload NVDA, I still get "microsoft sound mapper," what am
I doing wrong?

I DO NOT ALWAYS wish sound mapper, I wish only my particular sound
device to be used. Here's an example;

If ms sound mapper is used, if I am recording a remote broadcast and
routing it to let's say line one of virtual audio cable, that is also
Microsoft's sound mapper since that is from where the remote broadcast
comes in through Edge, right?

So if I tell NVDA to only use my sound card, why oh why is not that part
of the saved configuration? I ONLY WISH NVDA to use what I tell it too,
not to re-do sound mapper.

How many times does windows' figure they know more than we do?


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H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...







--
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H.S.
K6VFO
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Re: Why, oh why can I not get my choice of NVDA audio output device to stay as I set it?

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Brian, that's ok, I knew about message IDs and how you can (should) be able to change the subject and have it still part of the same thread.  I actually hadn't looked into how Gmail threads (and it makes it impossible to see most of the headers anyway, short of saving the message and viewing it in a text editor).  I'll have to make sure to only take small breaks from the group :)


On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 11:21 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 07:47 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
But do you know is there a way of making it appear as one thread in email?
-
Quentin,

The most direct answer:  I do not know.

The convoluted one, which includes some crumbs on the trail:  How items are threaded is, generally, dependent on the email client being used, and whether or not same allows you to change threading parameters.  Certain ones allow you to thread based on message IDs, which remain consistent no matter what the subject, so people can change the subject line with impunity, as the client will look for the message ID under which that reply should be placed.  This is becoming a rare way of doing it, with threading by subject becoming more popular in a big way.

No matter what I do, I'm kinda stuck.  Changing the subject will break threading for some, which is why I announce that I've done it, and also ask people going forward from that message forward to please reply to that message, not to any that used the old subject line, or else I'm spending tons of time merging old and new topic in Groups.io itself.  But I think it's critically important for subject lines as they appear in the archive to be clearly indicative of what the content of a message/topic actually is.  Generic topics do not help those who are using the archive to do "quick and dirty" filtering among search results to decide what they really want to read.

Archive maintenance also ends up involving lots of merging of topics where someone has either intentionally (less likely, but it does happen when someone decides to fix spelling, capitalization, etc., in a Subject line) or accidentally changes a single character in a topic.  This breaks threading in Groups.io, which does its own threading using the subject itself as the primary key.  When you give a new title to an existing topic, all existing messages in that topic do end up threaded under the new title, regardless of what the original subject line for each message may have been.

If I don't change the subject then the archive has tons of non-descriptive topics that leave mystery for future searchers, such as the one that this topic had originally.

I don't know if you're using Gmail's web interface or an e-mail client.  Whichever you're using, I'd try a web search on that coupled with something like "change threading behavior" or "change threading" to see what pops up.
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Re: Why, oh why can I not get my choice of NVDA audio output device to stay as I set it?

 

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 07:47 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
But do you know is there a way of making it appear as one thread in email?
-
Quentin,

The most direct answer:  I do not know.

The convoluted one, which includes some crumbs on the trail:  How items are threaded is, generally, dependent on the email client being used, and whether or not same allows you to change threading parameters.  Certain ones allow you to thread based on message IDs, which remain consistent no matter what the subject, so people can change the subject line with impunity, as the client will look for the message ID under which that reply should be placed.  This is becoming a rare way of doing it, with threading by subject becoming more popular in a big way.

No matter what I do, I'm kinda stuck.  Changing the subject will break threading for some, which is why I announce that I've done it, and also ask people going forward from that message forward to please reply to that message, not to any that used the old subject line, or else I'm spending tons of time merging old and new topic in Groups.io itself.  But I think it's critically important for subject lines as they appear in the archive to be clearly indicative of what the content of a message/topic actually is.  Generic topics do not help those who are using the archive to do "quick and dirty" filtering among search results to decide what they really want to read.

Archive maintenance also ends up involving lots of merging of topics where someone has either intentionally (less likely, but it does happen when someone decides to fix spelling, capitalization, etc., in a Subject line) or accidentally changes a single character in a topic.  This breaks threading in Groups.io, which does its own threading using the subject itself as the primary key.  When you give a new title to an existing topic, all existing messages in that topic do end up threaded under the new title, regardless of what the original subject line for each message may have been.

If I don't change the subject then the archive has tons of non-descriptive topics that leave mystery for future searchers, such as the one that this topic had originally.

I don't know if you're using Gmail's web interface or an e-mail client.  Whichever you're using, I'd try a web search on that coupled with something like "change threading behavior" or "change threading" to see what pops up.
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Re: Why, oh why can I not get my choice of NVDA audio output device to stay as I set it?

Quentin Christensen
 

That's ok, I just wanted to clarify for anyone reading that pressing OK in the settings dialog doesn't actually save the settings to the saved configuration.

The argument could be made either way for whether it should or not, although not all changes are obvious from within the settings dialog, and if you break something, by NOT saving it automatically when you exit the dialog, you can then press NVDA+control+r to revert to the previously saved configuration.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 10:47 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I saw that the user manually saved the setting.  I wanted to make sure exactly what the person was doing throughout so I described the procedure.  While it appears the correct ;procedure is being followed, if it varies from what I described, the person can change what he is doing.  I didn’t want to assume the correct ;procedure when the actual procedure itself wasn’t described.  If the correct procedure is being followed, then I don’t know what is causing the problem.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why, oh why can I not get my choice of NVDA audio output device to stay as I set it?
 
Gene,
 
Making a change to any of NVDA's settings and pressing the OK (or apply) button, simply changes the current setting, but does not save the change.  NVDA by default is set to save its configuration on exit, and as long as NVDA exits normally (eg it doesn't crash) that should be fine.  If you have turned that setting off though, you will need to save your configuration manually by pressing NVDA+control+c.

The original poster mentioned they had saved with NVDA+control+c so this seems like a different issue.  FWIW, I just went into NVDA's synthesizer settings, changed my output device, saved and restarted NVDA and it came up using the output device I had changed to, so that seems to work as advertised.  For Curtis - If NVDA is starting on system startup, I wonder if it could be that the device you are intending to use isn't ready yet and that is why it falls back to the Microsoft Sound mapper?  If you make the change, save settings and then restart NVDA, what sound device is selected?  If that works then it might be the device not being ready on system startup, although I can't think of a workaround for that offhand.
 
Quentin.
 
On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 10:08 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you using the select synthesizer dialog in NVDA to make the change?  Are you selecting what you want to be used and then activating the ok button?  If so, and if the change isn’t retained, there is a problem but I’m not sure what it is.  The function should work properly.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] why, oh why?
 
When I save my configuration, and tell my preferred synthesizer to use a
particular sound card, save the configuration by hitting nvda-control-c,
then even ask NVDA to use this configuration when the computer boots,
etc. and then reload NVDA, I still get "microsoft sound mapper," what am
I doing wrong?

I DO NOT ALWAYS wish sound mapper, I wish only my particular sound
device to be used. Here's an example;

If ms sound mapper is used, if I am recording a remote broadcast and
routing it to let's say line one of virtual audio cable, that is also
Microsoft's sound mapper since that is from where the remote broadcast
comes in through Edge, right?

So if I tell NVDA to only use my sound card, why oh why is not that part
of the saved configuration? I ONLY WISH NVDA to use what I tell it too,
not to re-do sound mapper.

How many times does windows' figure they know more than we do?


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H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...





 
 
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Re: Why, oh why can I not get my choice of NVDA audio output device to stay as I set it?

Quentin Christensen
 

Brian,

I've been wondering this for ages - when a topic gets renamed like you have done, it makes it appear like a separate thread in Gmail - which is why, especially when I come back after a few days - I'll read from oldest unread to newest, and reply to things which don't seem to have been replied to, but then I find newer replies in what appear to be separate threads.  Looking at them on the groups.io web interface, they appear correctly.  But do you know is there a way of making it appear as one thread in email?  The thread seems to break where you posted renaming it.

Quentin

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 10:16 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don’t know what the problem is.  the following procedure is permanent if there is no problem. 
Control NVDA key s, then tab once to a combo box where you select the soundcard to be used, then activate the ok button.  Save the configuration with control NVDA key c, if you don’t have NVDA set to automatically save the current configuration on exit. 
 
 
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why, oh why can I not get my choice of NVDA audio output device to stay as I set it?
 
On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 07:02 PM, Jackie wrote:
control panel > speech recognition > text-to-speech>audio output?
-
Quick note - I've retitled the topic so that the subject actually reveals the issue.  This is important for the group archive.

As Jackie has noted, some of this is determined by NVDA but other parts are determined by Windows.  My suspicion is that if this is tweakable within NVDA, it's a temporary tweak for the duration of the NVDA session currently running and if it's tweaked in Windows it's permanent until and unless you were to change it again.
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