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Re: Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

 

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 05:28 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Now, to see if they really  care.
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And they very well may not.  But, as I've said many times about many pieces of software:  They can't fix what has never been identified (or stumbled upon by them - which is a form of identification) as a problem.

And, sometimes, even if "they" care, quite a bit, fix time frames are directly dependent on both the complexity of the work required and where a given fix falls in their hierarchy of work for both new features and fixes.  Some stuff that's really simple to fix is done very quickly while some stuff that appears to be very simple to fix really isn't, or there are tons of higher priority issues/new features.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Check out this new video to find out how to use the NVDA find dialog in PDF

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have brave set as my default reader, works fine over here. Now as to filling out forms, I really couldn’t tell you.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JinYoun
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check out this new video to find out how to use the NVDA find dialog in PDF

 

Thank you for this tip. Would this work in adobe as well or only on microsoft edge? Is edge better for viewing pdfs? Should I set edge as my default reader?
Thank you 


Re: Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Now, to see if they really  care. Has anyone contacted them about this oversite?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

 

Gene,

Then that pretty conclusively proves it's a synth bug, and the folks that make that synth should fix it.  I can't think of a single instance, ever, where a month abbreviation does not get separated from the following text by white space (even when a period is used).

Great detective work.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, it read that abbreviation
Incorrectly as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

Well have you tried the code factory eloquence sapi or whatever?


I know they do keep it more or less updated a little more often.



On 11/10/2021 9:12 am, Dennis Clark wrote:
Hello Clement,

I also get the same result using Eloquence from Kurzweil. This has
been true for me for the past year or so with NVDA. I haven't a way to
cure the problem. Hopefully someone here will have some ideas. Thanks
for posting.

Dennis




On 10/10/2021 7:25 AM, Clement Chou wrote:
Anyone else using Code Factory's Eloquence and Vocalizer getting
abbreviations incorrectly being processed? For example, look at the
text below.

The original says: Line 6 Marketplace But Code Factory's Eloquence
translates this as: Line March 6th ketplace

Is there a way to delete these dictionary definitions so I just get
it the way it's supposed to be? Thanks.








Re: Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

 

Gene,

Then that pretty conclusively proves it's a synth bug, and the folks that make that synth should fix it.  I can't think of a single instance, ever, where a month abbreviation does not get separated from the following text by white space (even when a period is used).

Great detective work.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

Gene
 

I’ve been experimenting and the bug occurs in The following circumstance, which makes it clear what the problem is.  If I write a number, I used 1 then space, then write capital Mar and that is all I write, March first is spoken when I read that text on the line.  What is happening in the example given in the original message is that a number, followed by mar, whether more is written or not, results in this misreading.  The abbbreviation or short form is applied whether it occurs in a full word or by itself.  The letter m must be capitalized for it to be treated as an abbreviation for March and the date. 
 
Here is another example. 
1 Mayflower
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?
 
Hello Clement,

I also get the same result using Eloquence from Kurzweil. This has been
true for me for the past year or so with NVDA. I haven't a way to cure
the problem. Hopefully someone here will have some ideas. Thanks for
posting.

Dennis




On 10/10/2021 7:25 AM, Clement Chou wrote:
> Anyone else using Code Factory's Eloquence and Vocalizer getting
> abbreviations incorrectly being processed? For example, look at the
> text below.
>
> The original says: Line 6 Marketplace
> But Code Factory's Eloquence translates this as: Line March 6th ketplace
>
> Is there a way to delete these dictionary definitions so I just get it
> the way it's supposed to be? Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>




 
It is trying to say “may first, Mayflower.”

I would think that this bug doesn’t occur often when reading.  If igt occurs more than rarely for certain kinds of reading, I’d be curious to know.
 
Gene


Re: Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

 

Well have you tried the code factory eloquence sapi or whatever?


I know they do keep it more or less updated a little more often.

On 11/10/2021 9:12 am, Dennis Clark wrote:
Hello Clement,

I also get the same result using Eloquence from Kurzweil. This has been true for me for the past year or so with NVDA. I haven't a way to cure the problem. Hopefully someone here will have some ideas. Thanks for posting.

Dennis




On 10/10/2021 7:25 AM, Clement Chou wrote:
Anyone else using Code Factory's Eloquence and Vocalizer getting
abbreviations incorrectly being processed? For example, look at the
text below.

The original says: Line 6 Marketplace
But Code Factory's Eloquence translates this as: Line March 6th ketplace

Is there a way to delete these dictionary definitions so I just get it
the way it's supposed to be? Thanks.







Re: Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

 

To be honest while not exactly that issue, I can get weird issues from time to time on here, or other systems I run.

Some persist after a restart, some will persist till I reinstall either the program or windows.

And in a lot of cases they never make it online.

Or they can be completely unrelated.

I once had an issue on a system I was working on which looked like mangled drivers, a virus and a windows issue.

The sound drivers were fixed, a windows issue could be fixed if it was that bad with a reload.

But in the end it boiled down to a defective wifi access card.

Most of the issues went away with its replacement.

So yeah check everything including the buttons on the case I guess.




On 11/10/2021 8:13 am, Gene wrote:
I’d be interested if others have this problem.  It is so odd that it may be caused by something that isn’t a general problem.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?
 
Have you checked your own NVDA dictionaries?   This one is so bizarre that it seems almost impossible for it to be the synth.

But if it is the synth, trying to work around it with dictionary entries would be a stopgap measure.  The synth maker should be notified, as there is no conceivable world where the line you give as original should be rendered in speech as you report.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

Dennis Clark
 

Hello Clement,

I also get the same result using Eloquence from Kurzweil. This has been true for me for the past year or so with NVDA. I haven't a way to cure the problem. Hopefully someone here will have some ideas. Thanks for posting.

Dennis

On 10/10/2021 7:25 AM, Clement Chou wrote:
Anyone else using Code Factory's Eloquence and Vocalizer getting
abbreviations incorrectly being processed? For example, look at the
text below.

The original says: Line 6 Marketplace
But Code Factory's Eloquence translates this as: Line March 6th ketplace

Is there a way to delete these dictionary definitions so I just get it
the way it's supposed to be? Thanks.




Re: New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

Gene
 

I didn’t mention using space, not control space, to select the item you are on.  I should have mentioned it.  I didn’t because I think it is a more natural movement to keep your hand on the arrow keys and just up and down arrow than to move to the space bar and press it.  But people may do whatever they wish.
 
However, space should be used in this case, not control space.  Control space is how you would select an item if you want to select more than one item and not select items that are all next to each other.  Space by  itself will select the item you are on and will unselect any other item or items you might have selected earlier.  And space only selects an item.  If it is already selected for some reason, you won’t accidentaly unselect it.  Control space selects an unselected item and unselects a selected item.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dzhovani
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion
 
Gene,
Instead of pressing up and down arrows, you can press the space bar while holding the control key. This will select the item under the cursor. Seems a tat more convenient.
HTH,
Dzhovani


Re: NVDA Is Malfunctioning On My Windows10 Computer

Gene
 

As you describe the problem, we don’t yet know if NVDA has anything to do with it.  Have you tried using browsers or other programs that present problems with another screen-reader?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Is Malfunctioning On My Windows10 Computer
 
Hi good people:
NVDA does not work properly on my computer. This happens most often,
when I am on the internet. It is some times very difficult for me to
launch a browser.
I use mozilla firefox, but many times it is very difficult for me to
launch it. I try running the com registration tool, but it doesn't
change anything.
Added to that, when I launch microsoft word, it takes ages to launch
and start reading anything. And even the reading is so slow.
Is there a way of getting around this problem?
I use an old version of the program, which is the 2020 release. The
latest version is not compatible with an AdOn I use with my preferred
speech synthesizer.
Hope to get some help.
I also want to find out the use of a portable copy of NVDA. I've never
tried it out. Can it help me in this situation I've just spelt out.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.





Re: Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

Gene
 

I’d be interested if others have this problem.  It is so odd that it may be caused by something that isn’t a general problem.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?
 
Have you checked your own NVDA dictionaries?   This one is so bizarre that it seems almost impossible for it to be the synth.

But if it is the synth, trying to work around it with dictionary entries would be a stopgap measure.  The synth maker should be notified, as there is no conceivable world where the line you give as original should be rendered in speech as you report.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Check out this new video to find out how to use the NVDA find dialog in PDF

Gene
 

You can have Adobe open documents you follow links to online, but I was explaining why I use Edge instead of Adobe. 
 
I don’t know how many people know this, but you can open files on your machine or external hard drives or anywhere else you would open them in your browser.  Use control o for the open file dialog and open the file just as you would in a word processor.
 
Of course, you can compare opening files or web pages using Edge and Adobe and see if you like one more.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: JinYoun
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Check out this new video to find out how to use the NVDA find dialog in PDF
 
Thank you for this tip. Would this work in adobe as well or only on microsoft edge? Is edge better for viewing pdfs? Should I set edge as my default reader?
Thank you 


Re: NVDA Is Malfunctioning On My Windows10 Computer

Chris
 

Its probably more likely to be an windows problem rather than an issue with NVDA

 

 

From: Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: 10 October 2021 18:04
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Is Malfunctioning On My Windows10 Computer

 

Hi good people:

NVDA does not work properly on my computer. This happens most often,

when I am on the internet. It is some times very difficult for me to

launch a browser.

I use mozilla firefox, but many times it is very difficult for me to

launch it. I try running the com registration tool, but it doesn't

change anything.

Added to that, when I launch microsoft word, it takes ages to launch

and start reading anything. And even the reading is so slow.

Is there a way of getting around this problem?

I use an old version of the program, which is the 2020 release. The

latest version is not compatible with an AdOn I use with my preferred

speech synthesizer.

Hope to get some help.

I also want to find out the use of a portable copy of NVDA. I've never

tried it out. Can it help me in this situation I've just spelt out.

Kind regards.

Ibrahim.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and emoji keyboard #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Regarding Facebook, are you talking about not being able to use the emoji panel when composing new messages/posts? Note that for this thread, I will assume Windows 10 unless this is on a Windows 11 system.

Cheers,

Joseph (the author of Windows App Essentials add-on)


Re: New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

Dzhovani
 

Gene,
Instead of pressing up and down arrows, you can press the space bar while holding the control key. This will select the item under the cursor. Seems a tat more convenient.
HTH,
Dzhovani


NVDA Is Malfunctioning On My Windows10 Computer

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hi good people:
NVDA does not work properly on my computer. This happens most often,
when I am on the internet. It is some times very difficult for me to
launch a browser.
I use mozilla firefox, but many times it is very difficult for me to
launch it. I try running the com registration tool, but it doesn't
change anything.
Added to that, when I launch microsoft word, it takes ages to launch
and start reading anything. And even the reading is so slow.
Is there a way of getting around this problem?
I use an old version of the program, which is the 2020 release. The
latest version is not compatible with an AdOn I use with my preferred
speech synthesizer.
Hope to get some help.
I also want to find out the use of a portable copy of NVDA. I've never
tried it out. Can it help me in this situation I've just spelt out.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.


Re: Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

 

Have you checked your own NVDA dictionaries?   This one is so bizarre that it seems almost impossible for it to be the synth.

But if it is the synth, trying to work around it with dictionary entries would be a stopgap measure.  The synth maker should be notified, as there is no conceivable world where the line you give as original should be rendered in speech as you report.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


NVDA and emoji keyboard #addonrelease

JinYoun
 

Hi, I was just curious if others have the same issue as me with the emoji keyboard. After installing the windows app essential add-on, I've been able to use the emoji keyboard by pressing windows + . on this forum and in emails,  but cannot get it to work in facebook or on Sero. When I tab down and use the arrow keys to browse, it closes the emoji keyboard.😕
If someone could teach me the correct way to use the emoji keyboard using NVDA that would be so appreciated.🙏
Thank you 


Re: Check out this new video to find out how to use the NVDA find dialog in PDF

JinYoun
 

Thank you for this tip. Would this work in adobe as well or only on microsoft edge? Is edge better for viewing pdfs? Should I set edge as my default reader?
Thank you 

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