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Introductory questions about navigating in a browser.
Alan Joyce
Hi,
I’m new to using NVDA having little exposure to other text to speech programs before jumping in. I’ve use a program called the Grid which acts as a keyboard emulator to help me with my typing as I’m unable to physically access a standard keyboard. With my setup on NVDA, I have found a few elements which I’m struggling with and would appreciate a guide through. These are; 1. When reading out a lengthy email from Gmail opened in the EDGE browser, is it possible to control the read back rate – say line by line – so I can pick up on what is being typed. What are the key combination for this and the settings which would allow this? 2. When I open a webpage in the Edge, is it possible for NVDA to start to read the page content automatically? At the moment, it announces the page opening and I have to start finding my way through Tabbing or down arrow key which seems to work some times and then not others. 3. For above, is there one reading mode which is preferred over the other?
I’m sure I’ve more to come on top of these but I’d welcome a start!
Kindest regards, Alan
Windows 10, Ver 1909
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NVDA to not read columns and rows in webpages
Saylor Cooper
Hello, I’m trying to figure out how to get NVDA to stop reading columns and rows especially on webpages whenever I don’t need that information. Thanks.
Saylor Cooper
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MS Word focus issues when revising documents and their comments
Sally Kiebdaj
Hello list, Apologies if this has been reported somewhere already but it doesn't look like this specific issue is up on GitHub yet and I'm curious if anyone else has seen it before I try to add it. I amn running -Microsoft® Word 2019 MSO (16.0.10378.20029) 64-bit -Windows 10 Pro: Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.1288) -NVDA 2021.2 I am unable to consistently switch focus between the document and comments either to read or edit. Additionally, I cannot seem to focus replies to my comments except through the elements list. Two different things can go wrong and seem to be impacted by two different settings in MS Word and NVDA. Scenario 1: I open a document containing both tracked changes and comments. I prefer to make edits with my markup set to "no markup" so that I do not have to hear every deletion or insertion as I read and type. This works just fine for making changes to the text. However, if I want to comment on the text that is in "no markup" I often but not always end up stuck in some kind of pane. Steps to reproduce: 1. Open a document containing both tracked changes and comments. Ensure that track changes is on and that show markup is set to "no markup." 2. Select some text and insert a comment. It doesn't make a difference if you use CTRL + Alt + M or ALT +r+c. 3. Write a comment and then press ESC to return to the document. 4. Instead of the document, you hear something that sounds like portions of HTML or XML tags, letters or portions of the author name, or less than signs. Sometimes a comments pane is visible and sometimes it isn't. Getting a sighted user to click the comments pane closed has no effect. Pressing ESC makes NVDA read a "Refresh" button and then returns you to the strange pane with tags in it. ALT + R no longer works (it plays the error ding) but pressing ALT alone does allow you to get into the revision part of the ribbon which still tells you it can be reached by pressing r. Sometimes the ribbon seems to be collapsed in a way that requires me to hit "enter" on the "Tracking" section before I can arrow and tab through the various tracking options. These options appear to be in slightly different positions as well based on what gets read when using arrow keys to navigate. The only solution seems to be to click the mouse in the document pane multiple times and then the cursor is always brought to the top of the document regardless of where you had highlighted text for your comment. At this point the ribbon goes back to normal behavior too. This pane and focus issue happens less often if you set show markup to "all markup." However, it happens even with all markup shown, just less frequently. I can read existing comments in the elements list or using NVDA + ALT + C but only if my focus is in the documents pane. When I get stuck in this other pane, the elements list is also focused on that pane and at best shows me any typos in my comments text. At worst, it shows me nothing. Also, the elements list and NVDA + Alt + C do not give me a way to edit existing comments, as far as I can tell. Scenario 2: Open the same kind of document with the same tracking and markup settings as above. 1. Using ALT + R + V or ALT + R+ P, try to move between comments (so that you can edit them). 2. Instead of bringing you to the text of the comment, you hear NVDA reading the title bar , saying Tollbar, then saying Pane. It alternates among these three quickly enough that it often interrupts full reading of the title bar. It will keep alternating among these three focus points indefinitely and none of the hotkeys to speak current focus work. They simply have no impact on NVDA reading the three different points of focus. 3. Press ESC to successfully return to the document at the text that is highlighted for the comment you were trying to read. However you were never able to edit that comment. Has anyone else experienced this or things like this? Is it just impossible to use comments in conjunction with show markup set to "no markup?" Aside from the elements list, is there any other way to access replies to comments or to create a reply to a comment? That seems to have vanished from MS Word and the context menu somewhere between office 2010 and 2019. If I'm going to pull logs and create a bug, I'd like to hear everything the list has to say first so that I can include it. Thank you! Sally
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Re: need access to my function keys
Generally the "media keys" function of the function keys must be turned off in UEFI/BIOS. But, there are brands like Lenovo that have a utility where it can be done under Windows.
The make and model of the machine in question is necessary to give a definitive answer. And it's likely to be a UEFI/BIOS tweak, which will require sighted help. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all. ~ John F. Kennedy
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Re: need access to my function keys
Chris
You will have to go into the bios to revert the function keys to their normal function
In the meantime you have to hold down the FN key whilst pressing the function key along with any other key sequence for your normal windows operation
Awkward or what!
From: ken lawrence via groups.io
Sent: 20 October 2021 12:39 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] need access to my function keys
Hi NVDA list new computer my windows 10 machine bit the big one. Am using a windows 11 machine and am having a bit of an issue. There is no number lock on the machine apparently and there are 21 function keys on here and they also serve as a whole bunch of different functions. There is a function key to the left of the spacebar next to ctrl and according to NVDA input help keys that say nothing. So it is possible that there is more than one option I tried the left of the spacebar key together with escape and the left shift to toggle this key off and on nothing happened. Does anyone know how to correct this issue so I can get to my function keys so I can do everything right including shutting down? You aren’t supposed to hit the power button off unless it is a last resort. Also on a related note one of these supposedly well trained tech support people at HP who knew nothing about what a screen reader was, let alown what NVDA was said something like how he saw nothing that told him NVDA worked with windows 11 yet. This is bunk since obviously I’m typing this message Huh? What is the scoop on NVDA and windows 11?
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need access to my function keys
ken lawrence
Hi NVDA list new computer my windows 10 machine bit the big one. Am using a windows 11 machine and am having a bit of an issue. There is no number lock on the machine apparently and there are 21 function keys on here and they also serve as a whole bunch of different functions. There is a function key to the left of the spacebar next to ctrl and according to NVDA input help keys that say nothing. So it is possible that there is more than one option I tried the left of the spacebar key together with escape and the left shift to toggle this key off and on nothing happened. Does anyone know how to correct this issue so I can get to my function keys so I can do everything right including shutting down? You aren’t supposed to hit the power button off unless it is a last resort. Also on a related note one of these supposedly well trained tech support people at HP who knew nothing about what a screen reader was, let alown what NVDA was said something like how he saw nothing that told him NVDA worked with windows 11 yet. This is bunk since obviously I’m typing this message Huh? What is the scoop on NVDA and windows 11?
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Re: NVDA menu
Steve Nutt
I am guessing you have number lock turned on. Try turning that off.
All the best
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lexi
Sent: 19 October 2021 22:49 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA menu
That's what I don't understand. Nothing is being spoken. I tried both ways laptop and desktop.
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Re: NVDA menu
Steve Nutt
The answer is object navigation.
If you use the number pad to read by object, you can get the info in smaller chunks. So NVDA and the number keys are your friend. Use numbers 1 and 9 on the number pad on their own to switch between previous and next screen review mode. If you want a kind of invisible cursor like JAWS for example, you need screen review. If you want to examine particular items in the operating system hierarchy, then object navigation review mode is what you want.
Please refer to the user guide for a much better explanation.
All the best
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 19 October 2021 22:01 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA menu
I honestly don't have the answer to your direct question, but since you say the information you need is near the very end of what NVDA is announcing, could you not snag it from what NVDA just said? Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all. ~ John F. Kennedy
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Re: NVDA menu
Dejan Ristic
Hi from me,
Try using the screen review mode, for it works for me in the
about area of an add-on. I can't manage to read the information in
the object mode. When you switch to the screen review mode, hold
down the NVDA modifier key and arrow up and down and/or left
and/or right.
Cheers, Dejan On 19/10/2021 23:37, Lexi wrote:
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Re: NVDA menu
Chris Mullins
Hi Lexie There is an add-on called Virtual Review, written by Rui Batista, which you can use to grab the information from the About dialog and put it in a window that you can navigate with the arrow keys. Once installed, you open the about details you want, then press NVDA+Control+w and a virtual window containing the contents of the currently focused window will be available to review. Press escape to exit the Virtual Review window when you’re finished. It’s not just for the About dialog, it’s useful for many situations when you want to access screen text that is difficult to navigate by usual means.
Cheers Chris
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From: Lexi
Sent: 19 October 2021 21:43 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA menu
Hello everyone, when I go into the NVDA menu, and click on manage add-ons, and I go to about add-on, it reads all the information all at once. Does anyone know of a way to slow this down? Reading it by words, lines, and characters doesn't work. I only need a little bit of information, and that's at the end of all of the information that it gives me.-- Please be blessed and be safe. Thank you,
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Re: Does Avaya phone system work well with NVDA and Jaws?
Quentin Christensen
I must admit I have not used the add-on myself. NVDA is normally only installed on the local machine (the end-user's machine). From the UnicornDVC page they state: "The UnicornDVC software consists of two parts. The UnicornDVC Application library is the library used by an application to communicate to the dynamic virtual channel. This so called app lib can be used both for server and client side communications. One instance of the library can communicate both in client and server mode at the same time. The UnicornDVC Plugin library is the library used for communication by your client software (e.g. Remote Desktop Client, VMware Horizon Client or Citrix Receiver). It implements the Microsoft DVC client-side APIs, which guarantees compatibility with all major remote desktop platforms currently available on the market. It is only required on client systems and doesn’t have to be installed on a server, unless the particular server is a jump server. It should be noted that this library is not suitable for portable use, since using it requires certain information to be added to the Windows Registry."
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:21 PM Saylor Cooper <saylorcooper1@...> wrote:
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Re: Does Avaya phone system work well with NVDA and Jaws?
Saylor Cooper
I see that this ad on is $340. Would I have to install NVDA on Horizon VMWare as well or just on my local machine?
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Saylor Cooper
On Oct 19, 2021, at 5:48 PM, Saylor Cooper <saylorcooper1@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA menu
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi Gene
Just tried it in screen review I always leave it in object navigation mode but even in screen review they need to know the commands. That is why I gave her the command to go up a level, I did not even try to see if it worked in screen review mode.
the text review commands help in quite a few areas if the other mode does not work to get information. Gene nz
On 20/10/2021 12:10 pm, Gene wrote:
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Re: NVDA menu
Gene
This is typical dialog behavior. You can have it read by line,
character or word if you use screen review mode. This is inportant to nbe
able to do because if you don’t know this, you won’t be able to read information
in dialogs or perhaps in some other places other than as you are, all at
once.
I am giving the desktop layout commands.
Do the following:
When you open the dialog, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 to move to
screen review. Use the following commands,
Move to the top of the dialog
shift numpad 7.
Move to the end of the dialog,
shift numpad 1.
Read current line, numpad 8.
move to and read previous line numpad 7.
Next line numpad 9.
The same pattern is true for the following movement methods:
Current word numpad 5
Current carachter numpad 2.
Gene
Hello
everyone, when I go into the NVDA menu, and click on manage add-ons, and I go to
about add-on, it reads all the information all at once. Does anyone know of a
way to slow this down? Reading it by words, lines, and characters doesn't
work. I only need a little bit of information, and that's at the end of all of
the information that it gives me.-- Please be
blessed and be safe. Thank you,
Lexi
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Re: Does Avaya phone system work well with NVDA and Jaws?
Saylor Cooper
Thanks Quenton. I know this add-on would have to be installed on NVDA itself, but would the NVDA program also have to be installed on Herizon VMware in order to work properly or just on my physical computer itself.
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On Oct 19, 2021, at 5:41 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
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Re: Does Avaya phone system work well with NVDA and Jaws?
Quentin Christensen
Hi Saylor, I found a couple of posts in the group previously indicating that several users have been using Avaya for many years with success. I haven't used it myself, and I just had a look in our issues and can't see anything reported against Avaya. Regarding VMWare Horizon, there is an add-on called UnicornDVC which makes VMWare Horizon accessible with NVDA. It is available from: https://access4u.eu/product/unicorndvc/ Kind regards Quentin.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 3:06 AM Saylor Cooper <saylorcooper1@...> wrote: Hello NVDA users, --
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Re: NVDA: Linespacing and Paragraph Indent Word 2019
Quentin Christensen
Do you mean when you type *** on a blank line it converts to a row of dots across the page, and when you type --- or ___ it does a line? That is done by Word's autocorrect function - the same function will change "teh" to "the", "(e)" to a euro symbol and so on. NVDA doesn't report those automatic changes currently. There is an issue reporting that here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11032 Do please add any comments to that issue with additional details. You can change the autocorrect settings from Word's options: Press alt+f, then t to open options Press control+tab twice to the "Proofing" category. Press alt+a to open the autocorrect options. You can turn individual options on or off here, add new corrections, or disable all using the checkboxes. Kind regards Quentin.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:27 AM David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...> wrote: Hello, --
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Re: NVDA menu
Lexi
Yes, that was the problem. The numlock was on. Thank you so much!
On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 4:47 PM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
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Please be blessed and be safe. Thank you, Lexi
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Re: New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion
Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
Oh, I understand. Let's hope it's soon
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Thanks! 2021-10-19 13:50 GMT-03:00, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:
Hi,
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Re: NVDA menu
Lexi
That's what I don't understand. Nothing is being spoken. I tried both ways laptop and desktop.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 4:47 PM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
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