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Re: Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?

Jujube

#88962

Hi, I'm on 2021.2 and using FIrefox and it works great :) so don't hesitate to update.

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On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 3:09 AM Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

I am still on Version 2020.3, and didn't update earlier this year
because I saw some messages about NVDA and Firefox not playing nicely,
and Firefox being my main browser, I was hesitant to update. Now that
I'm hearing about possible addon incompatibility, I'm realising I'd
better update before I have to go with a new release that breaks
anything, even if I don't have the addons that are being singled out. I
just wanna be sure things aren't liable to flip out if I update now.

Re: what next

Brian Vogel

#88961

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:44 AM, tim wrote:

Now I forgot was it this list or the blind tech or one of the many windows lists.

-
It's the NVDA list. And questions do occasionally arise about how to make function keys actually behave as function keys as opposed the the default behavior as action keys for things like increase/decrease volume, etc., that comes as the out of the box default.

That most often requires tweaking UEFI/BIOS to reverse.

And when someone proposes using a very unusual method for doing so, and for those unfamiliar with UEFI/BIOS to begin with, cautionary statements are necessary.

There was also some thread drift, which happens often after an initial query is answered and people begin musing. You, and every other member, have the option to hit the Mute this Topic link in any message at any time if you wish to stop traffic from that topic.

At this point, though, the topic has definitely run its course. It should be taken to the Chat Subgroup if further discussion of UEFI/BIOS in general, or Macs in particular, are desired.
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Re: what next

tim

#88960

A mac is able to do that because it uses a striped version of the OS.

There is another menu of options that you do need sight to use it.

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On 10/20/2021 10:36 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Maybe, just maybe, narrator will be able to do that as well, one day. Burt for now you need a sighted pair of eyes or aira to help you.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

Yes, that’s what I heard. With a Mac you can do that.

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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: October 20, 2021 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

Actually under mac os I can access what they call the recovery assistant and even choose what disk I want to boot from, all of it talks btw. I love it. Iv’e made changes under the command line etc.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

I guess no matter what, we’ll always need sighted assistance in something to do with the computer’s BIOS. I won’t even touch it. I’ll get a sighted person who knows what to do in the bios.

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From: Jackie
Sent: October 20, 2021 5:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

The optacon is dead. Long live the Optacon.

Back in the day there was a way to route some bioses of some boxes

over a serial port--I believe the name of the product was Weasel or

similar--but there is no device I know of that works better for this

than an Optacon in the hands of a proficient user. Unfortunately, the

first sentence of this message is sadly applicable.

On 10/20/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 07:32 PM, Arlene wrote:

>

>>

>> I hope in the future blind users can go in there with Nairator.

>

> -

> Not likely.

>

> What folks who use screen readers, as they currently exist, need to

> understand is that they are application software. Mind you, a very

> specialized application, but still an application. The operating system

> (whether Windows or any other one) must be up and running at least to a

> certain point before any screen reader can come online.

>

> UEFI/BIOS occur in the boot sequence well prior to Windows (or other OSes

> such as Linux) ever being kicked off for loading. While it would be

> conceivably possible to have a dedicated screen reader for that environment,

> and if memory serves a prototype was once made, long ago, it certainly would

> not be Narrator, NVDA, JAWS or any other screen reader as end users know

> them. And it would also very likely have commands strictly limited to the

> environment at hand, which means it would be very different in that way,

> too.

>

> And, as you mention, even if you were to have a screen reader of some sort

> available to navigate UEFI/BIOS, you still have to be very, very certain

> that what you're doing is precisely what you intend to do and that what you

> intend is actually what needs to be done to achieve the result hoped for.

> If you can have this certainty, then go for it, otherwise, get assistance.

> And this is completely separate from your visual status. Most of my sighted

> clients have no idea that UEFI/BIOS even exists nor how to interact with

> it. It's just not something most end users ever need to touch.

>

> As far as turning off "media keys" or whatever a maker might call the

> actions associated with the function keys, lobbying them to create utilities

> such as the one Lenovo already has that allow these to be turned on or off

> from within Windows, or asking for some keyboard shortcut, likely a 4-key

> press to avoid accidents, to do this are both better ideas than a screen

> reader for UEFI/BIOS likely would be. They're safer, too.

>

> --

>

> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

>

> *The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

>

> ~ John F. Kennedy

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Re: what next

tim

#88959

Now I forgot was it this list or the blind tech or one of the many windows lists. That some one did brick a HP laptop on a BIOS update?

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On 10/20/2021 6:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 02:45 PM, Mohamed wrote:

HP actually has a BIOS configuration utility that can be used to edit BIOS settings from within Windows. https://ftp.ext.hp.com/pub/caps-softpaq/cmit/HP_BCU.html. this is a command line app that allows you to configure BIOS settings by editing a text file.
-
And unless you happen to know exactly what you're doing, I would never recommend that an end user go this route unless they are already intimately familiar with updating UEFI/BIOS, and very few are.

You can very easily brick a machine by very small changes in just the wrong spots in BIOS settings.
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Re: Too much information.

Jacob Kruger

#88958

Bill, set punctuation announcement levels?


YOu can cycle through levels using NVDA+P?


Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
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On 2021-10-21 01:27 PM, Bill Chilcott via groups.io wrote:
Can anyone tell me how to stop NVDA announcing punctuation when reading a
word document?
Many thanks
Bill.

Re: Different focus from say all and arrowing through

Christopher Bartlett

#88957

In laptop keyboard mode, I'm using NVDa+a to start say all.

I have not used NVDA+space to enter browse mode in word. I guess I could check to see if I'm entering by default, but I haven't seen any signs of doing so: as in typing an h and moving to a heading.

Christopher Bartlett

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On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:12 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

The command you are talking about does exactly the opposite. It means that the review position will change as the cursor changes in a word processor document where there is a cursor or in a list and perhaps elsewhere. It doesn’t cause the system focus to change when you use screen review. That’s one of the points of screen review and object navigation. You can review things and keep your position unchanged where you are working as your review position changes.

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:54 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Different focus from say all and arrowing through

Are you using browse mode or working directly in the program? That may be what is causing the problem. If you are using browse mode in a word processor, try reading when not in browse mode and see if tracking is correct.

If my suggestion doesn’t solve the probloem, I have another one but I’ll wait to see what you say about this one.

Gene

-----Origihnal Message-----

From: Christopher Bartlett

Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 3:49 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Different focus from say all and arrowing through

While proofreading a long document using say-all, I'd find a place for editing, and hit control to stop speech, but then when I'd arrow through the document, I'd be in a different place. I have focus follows caret set in review, so I figured the focus would, well, follow the system caret. I thought the system caret would travel with the say'all cursor.
I'm a little rusty on NVDA concepts, since for a long time, I did most of my work on a Chromebook, but now I'm using my win 10 machine a lot more again, and MS Office.

Christopher Bartlett

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Re: Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?

Chris

#88956

Shouldn’t do if you have the latest firefox

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From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: 21 October 2021 11:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?

I am still on Version 2020.3, and didn't update earlier this year

because I saw some messages about NVDA and Firefox not playing nicely,

and Firefox being my main browser, I was hesitant to update. Now that

I'm hearing about possible addon incompatibility, I'm realising I'd

better update before I have to go with a new release that breaks

anything, even if I don't have the addons that are being singled out. I

just wanna be sure things aren't liable to flip out if I update now.

Too much information.

Bill Chilcott

#88955

Can anyone tell me how to stop NVDA announcing punctuation when reading a
word document?
Many thanks
Bill.

Re: Weather plus is unable to download and install

Adriano Barbieri

#88954

Hi,

Probablyby mistake you have canceled the download, The link works properly, the add-on downloads the update quietly, try again, or try to download from the link I just posted for manual update.

Regards
Adriano

Il 21/10/2021 12:34, Jarek.Krcmar ha scritto:

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Hello all in group,

when I started my computer, Nvda said: There is a new version of the Weather plus to download. But if I confirm the downloading, Nvda said the downloading was canselled.

I would like to know, how could I get this addon.

Do you have any idea, please?

Re: Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?

Steve Wettlaufer

#88953

I'm curious what is supposed to be wrong with NVDA and Firefox in the latest versions?  I'm fairly new to the group here, but I've used NVDA and Firefox happily together for years, always updating to the latest versions of each.

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On 2021-10-21 6:09 a.m., Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I am still on Version 2020.3, and didn't update earlier this year because I saw some messages about NVDA and Firefox not playing nicely, and Firefox being my main browser, I was hesitant to update. Now that I'm hearing about possible addon incompatibility, I'm realising I'd better update before I have to go with a new release that breaks anything, even if I don't have the addons that are being singled out. I just wanna be sure things aren't liable to flip out if I update now.

Weather_Plus8.6 update available

Adriano Barbieri

#88952

Hello everyone,
Changes in this version:
• updated astronomical information, regarding sunrise / sunset of the sun and moon, when not indicated.
• updated Ukrainian documentation translation (thanks to Alex Yeshanu.
Thanks to Rui Fontes and Rémy Ruiz for the maintenance and support of Weather_Plus.
Repository:
https://github.com/ruifontes/Weather_Plus/
Download:
https://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus8.6.nvda-addon

Regards
Adriano

Weather plus is unable to download and install

Jarek.Krcmar

#88951

Hello all in group,

when I started my computer, Nvda said: There is a new version of the Weather plus to download. But if I confirm the downloading, Nvda said the downloading was canselled.

I would like to know, how could I get this addon.

Do you have any idea, please?

-- 
Jarek

Optacon

Pele West

#88950

Hi Everyone

I still use my optacon nearly every day. I think it is the most wonderful device I own.

Pele West

Re: Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?

Quentin Christensen

#88949

Sharni-Lee,

As far as we are aware, NVDA and Firefox are playing nice together, but of course, if you encounter any issues, please do let us know!

Re the add-ons, as far as I know, most should have been updated to work with NVDA 2021.1 and later quite some time ago, but there is a page keeping track of where they are at here: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdacompat.en.html So it's worth checking against any add-ons you use to make sure.

if you're worried, you can always download the latest version of NVDA from https://www.nvaccess.org/download/ and when you run it, select "Continue" or create a portable copy, and test that with anything crucial to ensure it works.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 9:09 PM Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

I am still on Version 2020.3, and didn't update earlier this year
because I saw some messages about NVDA and Firefox not playing nicely,
and Firefox being my main browser, I was hesitant to update. Now that
I'm hearing about possible addon incompatibility, I'm realising I'd
better update before I have to go with a new release that breaks
anything, even if I don't have the addons that are being singled out. I
just wanna be sure things aren't liable to flip out if I update now.

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Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?

Sharni-Lee Ward

#88948

I am still on Version 2020.3, and didn't update earlier this year because I saw some messages about NVDA and Firefox not playing nicely, and Firefox being my main browser, I was hesitant to update. Now that I'm hearing about possible addon incompatibility, I'm realising I'd better update before I have to go with a new release that breaks anything, even if I don't have the addons that are being singled out. I just wanna be sure things aren't liable to flip out if I update now.

Re: what next

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>

#88947

What a wonderful device it was.
Gave me pins and needles in my right index finger and buzzed like an angry wasp but brilliant device.
Kind regards,
Dennis huckle.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: 21 October 2021 01:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

The optacon is dead. Long live the Optacon.

Back in the day there was a way to route some bioses of some boxes over a serial port--I believe the name of the product was Weasel or similar--but there is no device I know of that works better for this than an Optacon in the hands of a proficient user. Unfortunately, the first sentence of this message is sadly applicable.

On 10/20/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 07:32 PM, Arlene wrote:

I hope in the future blind users can go in there with Nairator.-
Not likely.

What folks who use screen readers, as they currently exist, need to 
understand is that they are application software.  Mind you, a very 
specialized application, but still an application.  The operating 
system (whether Windows or any other one) must be up and running at 
least to a certain point before any screen reader can come online.

UEFI/BIOS occur in the boot sequence well prior to Windows (or other 
OSes such as Linux) ever being kicked off for loading.  While it would 
be conceivably possible to have a dedicated screen reader for that 
environment, and if memory serves a prototype was once made, long ago, 
it certainly would not be Narrator, NVDA, JAWS or any other screen 
reader as end users know them.  And it would also very likely have 
commands strictly limited to the environment at hand, which means it 
would be very different in that way, too.

And, as you mention, even if you were to have a screen reader of some 
sort available to navigate UEFI/BIOS, you still have to be very, very 
certain that what you're doing is precisely what you intend to do and 
that what you intend is actually what needs to be done to achieve the result hoped for.
 If you can have this certainty, then go for it, otherwise, get assistance.
And this is completely separate from your visual status.  Most of my 
sighted clients have no idea that UEFI/BIOS even exists nor how to 
interact with it.  It's just not something most end users ever need to touch.

As far as turning off "media keys" or whatever a maker might call the 
actions associated with the function keys, lobbying them to create 
utilities such as the one Lenovo already has that allow these to be 
turned on or off from within Windows, or asking for some keyboard 
shortcut, likely a 4-key press to avoid accidents, to do this are both 
better ideas than a screen reader for UEFI/BIOS likely would be.  They're safer, too.

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Re: what next

Sarah k Alawami

#88946

Maybe, just maybe, narrator will be able to do that as well, one day. Burt for now you need a sighted pair of eyes or aira to help you.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

Yes, that’s what I heard. With a Mac you can do that.

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: October 20, 2021 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

Actually under mac os I can access what they call the recovery assistant and even choose what disk I want to boot from, all of it talks btw. I love it. Iv’e made changes under the command line etc.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

I guess no matter what, we’ll always need sighted assistance in something to do with the computer’s BIOS. I won’t even touch it. I’ll get a sighted person who knows what to do in the bios.

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Jackie
Sent: October 20, 2021 5:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

The optacon is dead. Long live the Optacon.

Back in the day there was a way to route some bioses of some boxes

over a serial port--I believe the name of the product was Weasel or

similar--but there is no device I know of that works better for this

than an Optacon in the hands of a proficient user. Unfortunately, the

first sentence of this message is sadly applicable.

On 10/20/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 07:32 PM, Arlene wrote:

>

>>

>> I hope in the future blind users can go in there with Nairator.

>

> -

> Not likely.

>

> What folks who use screen readers, as they currently exist, need to

> understand is that they are application software. Mind you, a very

> specialized application, but still an application. The operating system

> (whether Windows or any other one) must be up and running at least to a

> certain point before any screen reader can come online.

>

> UEFI/BIOS occur in the boot sequence well prior to Windows (or other OSes

> such as Linux) ever being kicked off for loading. While it would be

> conceivably possible to have a dedicated screen reader for that environment,

> and if memory serves a prototype was once made, long ago, it certainly would

> not be Narrator, NVDA, JAWS or any other screen reader as end users know

> them. And it would also very likely have commands strictly limited to the

> environment at hand, which means it would be very different in that way,

> too.

>

> And, as you mention, even if you were to have a screen reader of some sort

> available to navigate UEFI/BIOS, you still have to be very, very certain

> that what you're doing is precisely what you intend to do and that what you

> intend is actually what needs to be done to achieve the result hoped for.

> If you can have this certainty, then go for it, otherwise, get assistance.

> And this is completely separate from your visual status. Most of my sighted

> clients have no idea that UEFI/BIOS even exists nor how to interact with

> it. It's just not something most end users ever need to touch.

>

> As far as turning off "media keys" or whatever a maker might call the

> actions associated with the function keys, lobbying them to create utilities

> such as the one Lenovo already has that allow these to be turned on or off

> from within Windows, or asking for some keyboard shortcut, likely a 4-key

> press to avoid accidents, to do this are both better ideas than a screen

> reader for UEFI/BIOS likely would be. They're safer, too.

>

> --

>

> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

>

> *The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

>

> ~ John F. Kennedy

>

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Re: what next

Arlene

#88945