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Re: Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?

Jackie
 

The problem had nothing to do w/NVDA. It was a problem caused by a
change made to Firefox, & it's all been fixed now.

On 10/21/21, matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic483@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,


I am using firefox with NVDA 2021.2 and not having any problems with
firefox here.


Matthew



On 10/21/2021 6:09 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I am still on Version 2020.3, and didn't update earlier this year
because I saw some messages about NVDA and Firefox not playing nicely,
and Firefox being my main browser, I was hesitant to update. Now that
I'm hearing about possible addon incompatibility, I'm realising I'd
better update before I have to go with a new release that breaks
anything, even if I don't have the addons that are being singled out.
I just wanna be sure things aren't liable to flip out if I update now.









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Re: Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

Richard Kuzma
 

Just a thought and my two cents

Try windows narrator to see what results you get

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jujube
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 4:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

 

Hi Janet, I'm by no means a certified NVDA trainer or anything of that sort, but I think it'd be useful to know just a bit more information. Maybe this is something NV Access (aka Quentin) may need to assist with? I don't know.

 

First of all, just out of curiosity you're just using a demo version of JAWS to try it out, right? Second, are any JAWS scripts being used to interact with the program? Third, so am I correct in saying that the program works well with JAWS but NVDA cannot read or find the dialogues, buttons, controls, etc? I believe many programs these days have native keyboard commands or at least the controls are usually visible no matter what screen reader is in use. Also, it may be worth speaking to the developers of the program so it can be easily used with any screen reader.

 

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:58 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

I am looking for someone in Canada certified in NVDA training to work with me to see whether there is any way to use NVDA with the proprietary software used by the company I contract for. The program is supposedly only compatible with JAWS which I am using now. I have tried NVDA with no success. NVDA is so much faster and more responsive. I would really like to be able to use it if possible. This would involve sharing my screen as the software is tied to my computer. If this is something that you may be able to help me with, please contact me directly at jbrandly@.... I will compensate you for your time.

 

Thank you,

 

Janet Brandly


Re: Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

Jujube
 

Hi Janet, I'm by no means a certified NVDA trainer or anything of that sort, but I think it'd be useful to know just a bit more information. Maybe this is something NV Access (aka Quentin) may need to assist with? I don't know.

First of all, just out of curiosity you're just using a demo version of JAWS to try it out, right? Second, are any JAWS scripts being used to interact with the program? Third, so am I correct in saying that the program works well with JAWS but NVDA cannot read or find the dialogues, buttons, controls, etc? I believe many programs these days have native keyboard commands or at least the controls are usually visible no matter what screen reader is in use. Also, it may be worth speaking to the developers of the program so it can be easily used with any screen reader.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:58 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

I am looking for someone in Canada certified in NVDA training to work with me to see whether there is any way to use NVDA with the proprietary software used by the company I contract for. The program is supposedly only compatible with JAWS which I am using now. I have tried NVDA with no success. NVDA is so much faster and more responsive. I would really like to be able to use it if possible. This would involve sharing my screen as the software is tied to my computer. If this is something that you may be able to help me with, please contact me directly at jbrandly@.... I will compensate you for your time.

 

Thank you,

 

Janet Brandly


Re: Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?

matthew dyer
 

Hi,


I am using firefox with NVDA 2021.2 and not having any problems with firefox here.


Matthew

On 10/21/2021 6:09 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I am still on Version 2020.3, and didn't update earlier this year because I saw some messages about NVDA and Firefox not playing nicely, and Firefox being my main browser, I was hesitant to update. Now that I'm hearing about possible addon incompatibility, I'm realising I'd better update before I have to go with a new release that breaks anything, even if I don't have the addons that are being singled out. I just wanna be sure things aren't liable to flip out if I update now.





Re: Weather plus is unable to download and install

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi,


I confirmed the button Yes, but the downloading was cancelled.

Thank you for the direct link to download.

Jarek

Dne 21.10.2021 v 12:59 Adriano Barbieri via groups.io napsal(a):


Hi,

Probablyby mistake you have canceled the download, The link works properly, the add-on downloads the update quietly, try again, or try to download from the link I just posted for manual update.

Regards
Adriano


Il 21/10/2021 12:34, Jarek.Krcmar ha scritto:
Hello all in group,

when I started my computer, Nvda said: There is a new version of the Weather plus to download. But if I confirm the downloading, Nvda said the downloading was canselled.

I would like to know, how could I get this addon.

Do you have any idea, please?


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Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

Janet Brandly
 

Hello,

 

I am looking for someone in Canada certified in NVDA training to work with me to see whether there is any way to use NVDA with the proprietary software used by the company I contract for. The program is supposedly only compatible with JAWS which I am using now. I have tried NVDA with no success. NVDA is so much faster and more responsive. I would really like to be able to use it if possible. This would involve sharing my screen as the software is tied to my computer. If this is something that you may be able to help me with, please contact me directly at jbrandly@.... I will compensate you for your time.

 

Thank you,

 

Janet Brandly


Re: Here we go again!

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  The existence of issues with Alpha and Beta builds is precisely why I now wait for stable versions of software.  I have used beta versions and release candidates of NVDA in the past, but I don't want to do that anymore because of the issues.

Louise


locked Re: Optacon

Brian Sackrider
 

When I was at the rehab center back in the 80's I wanted to learn the optacon but they would not teach me along with other things that they refused to teach me.  Theese centers are a very big joke they refuse to teach things that their clients really want to learn.  I though that I was making progress I was learning to recignising some print letters but because I was not learning fast enough my lessons were stoped.  What rite do they have to tell us what we can learn or what we can't learn.  They should be closed down they are usless and don't teach hardly anything.  I thought that the optacon was a great device that I wanted to learn to use but no go.  They seem to be very against learning new technologies that would give us greater independence.  It's low tech or no tech.

Brian Sackrider

On 10/21/2021 6:26 AM, Pele West wrote:
Hi Everyone

I still use my optacon nearly every day. I think it is the most wonderful device I own.

Pele West





Re: Introductory questions about navigating in a browser.

Tony Malykh
 

Regarding reading webpages I can recommend my TextNav add-on. You can press Alt+Shift+DownArrow to find the text where you can start reading - it works well on most webpages.

HTH

On 10/20/2021 8:36 AM, Alan Joyce wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m new to using NVDA having little exposure to other text to speech programs before jumping in. I’ve use a program called the Grid which acts as a keyboard emulator to help me with my typing as I’m unable to physically access a standard keyboard. With my setup on NVDA, I have found a few elements which I’m struggling with and would appreciate a guide through. These are;  

1.   When reading out a lengthy email from Gmail opened in the EDGE browser, is it possible to control the read back rate – say line by line – so I can pick up on what is being typed. What are the key combination for this and the settings which would allow this?

2.   When I open a webpage in the Edge, is it possible for NVDA to start to read the page content automatically? At the moment, it announces the page opening and I have to start finding my way through Tabbing or down arrow key which seems to work some times and then not others.

3.   For above, is there one reading mode which is preferred over the other?

 

I’m sure I’ve more to come on top of these but I’d welcome a start!

 

Kindest regards,

Alan

 

Windows 10, Ver 1909

 

 

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Re: what next

Gene
 

No, this question was about a user who flashed the bios and had to replace his computer.  I am very doubtful it was this list.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next
 
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:44 AM, tim wrote:
Now I forgot was it this list or the blind tech or one of the many windows lists.
-
It's the NVDA list.   And questions do occasionally arise about how to make function keys actually behave as function keys as opposed the the default behavior as action keys for things like increase/decrease volume, etc., that comes as the out of the box default.

That most often requires tweaking UEFI/BIOS to reverse.

And when someone proposes using a very unusual method for doing so, and for those unfamiliar with UEFI/BIOS to begin with, cautionary statements are necessary.

There was also some thread drift, which happens often after an initial query is answered and people begin musing.  You, and every other member, have the option to hit the Mute this Topic link in any message at any time if you wish to stop traffic from that topic.

At this point, though, the topic has definitely run its course.  It should be taken to the Chat Subgroup if further discussion of UEFI/BIOS in general, or Macs in particular, are desired.
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Re: what next

Gene
 

I think it was Blindtech.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: tim
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next
 

Now I forgot was it this list or the blind tech or one of the many windows lists. That some one did brick a HP laptop on a BIOS update?

 

On 10/20/2021 6:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 02:45 PM, Mohamed wrote:
HP actually has a BIOS configuration utility that can be used to edit BIOS settings from within Windows. https://ftp.ext.hp.com/pub/caps-softpaq/cmit/HP_BCU.html. this is a command line app that allows you to configure BIOS settings by editing a text file.
-
And unless you happen to know exactly what you're doing, I would never recommend that an end user go this route unless they are already intimately familiar with updating UEFI/BIOS, and very few are.

You can very easily brick a machine by very small changes in just the wrong spots in BIOS settings.
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Re: Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?

Gene
 

Perhaps a month or more ago, I saw complaints from a very few people but  as I recall, they weren’t confirmed by others.  If there is a problem, it appears to affect very few people.  If people are worried, they can download the new version of NVDA and try it as a portable before deciding whether to update the installed version, something that might be a good idea if people really want to be careful.
 
You can set the installed version not to automatically update.  You can do so with the portable version as well but for what I’m discussing, there’s no point.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?
 
I'm curious what is supposed to be wrong with NVDA and Firefox in the
latest versions?  I'm fairly new to the group here, but I've used NVDA
and Firefox happily together for years, always updating to the latest
versions of each.

On 2021-10-21 6:09 a.m., Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
> I am still on Version 2020.3, and didn't update earlier this year
> because I saw some messages about NVDA and Firefox not playing nicely,
> and Firefox being my main browser, I was hesitant to update. Now that
> I'm hearing about possible addon incompatibility, I'm realising I'd
> better update before I have to go with a new release that breaks
> anything, even if I don't have the addons that are being singled out.
> I just wanna be sure things aren't liable to flip out if I update now.
>
>
>
>
>
>





using the voicemeeter control pannel with nvda

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hello. I’m trying to use voice meter banana  audio with NVDA except I cannot select my output device per the instructions here. I used screen review but could not rout the mouse to it to click for a drop down. Is there another way to do this? Object review will not work here as it is one huge object according to what I’m seeing here. I want to try and get this working by Saturday if possible.

 

Thanks.


Re: Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?

 

Not that I use NVDA constantly, but when I have used 2021.2 with the latest version of Firefox it was not in any way ill-behaved.
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Re: Does the latest release play nicely with Firefox? And the addon stuff isn't yet relevant if I update now, correct?

Jujube
 

Hi, I'm on 2021.2 and using FIrefox and it works great :) so don't hesitate to update.


On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 3:09 AM Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:
I am still on Version 2020.3, and didn't update earlier this year
because I saw some messages about NVDA and Firefox not playing nicely,
and Firefox being my main browser, I was hesitant to update. Now that
I'm hearing about possible addon incompatibility, I'm realising I'd
better update before I have to go with a new release that breaks
anything, even if I don't have the addons that are being singled out. I
just wanna be sure things aren't liable to flip out if I update now.







Re: what next

 

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:44 AM, tim wrote:
Now I forgot was it this list or the blind tech or one of the many windows lists.
-
It's the NVDA list.   And questions do occasionally arise about how to make function keys actually behave as function keys as opposed the the default behavior as action keys for things like increase/decrease volume, etc., that comes as the out of the box default.

That most often requires tweaking UEFI/BIOS to reverse.

And when someone proposes using a very unusual method for doing so, and for those unfamiliar with UEFI/BIOS to begin with, cautionary statements are necessary.

There was also some thread drift, which happens often after an initial query is answered and people begin musing.  You, and every other member, have the option to hit the Mute this Topic link in any message at any time if you wish to stop traffic from that topic.

At this point, though, the topic has definitely run its course.  It should be taken to the Chat Subgroup if further discussion of UEFI/BIOS in general, or Macs in particular, are desired.
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Re: what next

tim
 

A mac is able to do that because it uses a striped version of the OS.

There is another menu of options that you do need sight to use it.


On 10/20/2021 10:36 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Maybe, just maybe, narrator will be able to do that as well, one day. Burt for now you need a sighted pair of eyes  or aira to help you.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

 

Yes, that’s what I heard. With a Mac you can do that.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: October 20, 2021 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

 

Actually under mac os I can access what they call the recovery assistant and even choose what disk I want to boot from, all of it talks btw. I love it. Iv’e made changes under the command line etc.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

 

I guess no matter what, we’ll always need sighted assistance in something to do with the computer’s BIOS.  I won’t even touch it. I’ll get a sighted person who knows what to do in the bios. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Jackie
Sent: October 20, 2021 5:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

 

The optacon is dead. Long live the Optacon.

 

Back in the day there was a way to route some bioses of some boxes

over a serial port--I believe the name of the product was Weasel or

similar--but there is no device I know of that works better for this

than an Optacon in the hands of a proficient user. Unfortunately, the

first sentence of this message is sadly applicable.

 

On 10/20/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 07:32 PM, Arlene wrote:

>> 

>> I hope in the future blind users can go in there with Nairator.

> -

> Not likely.

> What folks who use screen readers, as they currently exist, need to

> understand is that they are application software.  Mind you, a very

> specialized application, but still an application.  The operating system

> (whether Windows or any other one) must be up and running at least to a

> certain point before any screen reader can come online.

> UEFI/BIOS occur in the boot sequence well prior to Windows (or other OSes

> such as Linux) ever being kicked off for loading.  While it would be

> conceivably possible to have a dedicated screen reader for that environment,

> and if memory serves a prototype was once made, long ago, it certainly would

> not be Narrator, NVDA, JAWS or any other screen reader as end users know

> them.  And it would also very likely have commands strictly limited to the

> environment at hand, which means it would be very different in that way,

> too.

> And, as you mention, even if you were to have a screen reader of some sort

> available to navigate UEFI/BIOS, you still have to be very, very certain

> that what you're doing is precisely what you intend to do and that what you

> intend is actually what needs to be done to achieve the result hoped for.

>  If you can have this certainty, then go for it, otherwise, get assistance.

> And this is completely separate from your visual status.  Most of my sighted

> clients have no idea that UEFI/BIOS even exists nor how to interact with

> it.  It's just not something most end users ever need to touch.

> As far as turning off "media keys" or whatever a maker might call the

> actions associated with the function keys, lobbying them to create utilities

> such as the one Lenovo already has that allow these to be turned on or off

> from within Windows, or asking for some keyboard shortcut, likely a 4-key

> press to avoid accidents, to do this are both better ideas than a screen

> reader for UEFI/BIOS likely would be.  They're safer, too.

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> ~ John F. Kennedy

>

 

 

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Re: what next

tim
 

Now I forgot was it this list or the blind tech or one of the many windows lists. That some one did brick a HP laptop on a BIOS update?


On 10/20/2021 6:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 02:45 PM, Mohamed wrote:
HP actually has a BIOS configuration utility that can be used to edit BIOS settings from within Windows. https://ftp.ext.hp.com/pub/caps-softpaq/cmit/HP_BCU.html. this is a command line app that allows you to configure BIOS settings by editing a text file.
-
And unless you happen to know exactly what you're doing, I would never recommend that an end user go this route unless they are already intimately familiar with updating UEFI/BIOS, and very few are.

You can very easily brick a machine by very small changes in just the wrong spots in BIOS settings.
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Re: Too much information.

Jacob Kruger
 

Bill, set punctuation announcement levels?


YOu can cycle through levels using NVDA+P?


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On 2021-10-21 01:27 PM, Bill Chilcott via groups.io wrote:
Can anyone tell me how to stop NVDA announcing punctuation when reading a
word document?
Many thanks
Bill.





Re: Different focus from say all and arrowing through

Christopher Bartlett
 

In laptop keyboard mode, I'm using NVDa+a to start say all.
I have not used NVDA+space to enter browse mode in word.  I guess I could check to see if I'm entering by default, but I haven't seen any signs of doing so: as in typing an h and moving to a heading.
Christopher Bartlett


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:12 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
The command you are talking about does exactly the opposite.  It means that the review position will change as the cursor changes in a word processor document where there is a cursor or in a list and perhaps elsewhere.  It doesn’t cause the system focus to change when you use screen review.  That’s one of the points of screen review and object navigation.  You can review things and keep your position unchanged where you are working as your review position changes.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Different focus from say all and arrowing through
 
Are you using browse mode or working directly in the program?  That may be what is causing the problem.  If you are using browse mode in a word processor, try reading when not in browse mode and see if tracking is correct. 

If my suggestion doesn’t solve the probloem, I have another one but I’ll wait to see what you say about this one.
 
Gene
-----Origihnal Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 3:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Different focus from say all and arrowing through
 
While proofreading a long document using say-all, I'd find a place for editing, and hit control to stop speech, but then when I'd arrow through the document, I'd be in a different place.  I have focus follows caret set in review, so I figured the focus would, well, follow the system caret.  I thought the system caret would travel with the say'all cursor.
I'm a little rusty on NVDA concepts, since for a long time, I did most of my work on a Chromebook, but now I'm using my win 10 machine a lot more again, and MS Office.
 
Christopher Bartlett
 
 
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