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Re: what next

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi:  When the first version of Windows came out there was the Jawx Box to go back into DOS.  However, I'm sure that would not work now.

Dave


On 10/20/2021 5:03 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

If memory serves the American Printing House for the Blind once produced a device which allowed users to access BIOS settings during the boot sequence. I believe it was a hardware device and it was made for DOS-based PCs. It was pronounced Speakualizer although I don’t know the spelling. Needless to say the device is no longer available and it wouldn’t work even if you could find one on Ebay. Still it would be very nifty if we could have something like it for today’s computers assuming the technology on today’s machines would even allow for interfacing with such a device.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

 

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 07:32 PM, Arlene wrote:

I hope in the future blind users can go in there with Nairator.

-
Not likely.

What folks who use screen readers, as they currently exist, need to understand is that they are application software.  Mind you, a very specialized application, but still an application.  The operating system (whether Windows or any other one) must be up and running at least to a certain point before any screen reader can come online.

UEFI/BIOS occur in the boot sequence well prior to Windows (or other OSes such as Linux) ever being kicked off for loading.  While it would be conceivably possible to have a dedicated screen reader for that environment, and if memory serves a prototype was once made, long ago, it certainly would not be Narrator, NVDA, JAWS or any other screen reader as end users know them.  And it would also very likely have commands strictly limited to the environment at hand, which means it would be very different in that way, too.

And, as you mention, even if you were to have a screen reader of some sort available to navigate UEFI/BIOS, you still have to be very, very certain that what you're doing is precisely what you intend to do and that what you intend is actually what needs to be done to achieve the result hoped for.   If you can have this certainty, then go for it, otherwise, get assistance.  And this is completely separate from your visual status.  Most of my sighted clients have no idea that UEFI/BIOS even exists nor how to interact with it.  It's just not something most end users ever need to touch.

As far as turning off "media keys" or whatever a maker might call the actions associated with the function keys, lobbying them to create utilities such as the one Lenovo already has that allow these to be turned on or off from within Windows, or asking for some keyboard shortcut, likely a 4-key press to avoid accidents, to do this are both better ideas than a screen reader for UEFI/BIOS likely would be.  They're safer, too.
 
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Re: Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

Janet Brandly
 

Hello Quentin and all,

 

Yes, I have contacted the software developer about its inaccessibility. The sense I get is that since it is, at least to them, compatible with JAWS, that is sufficient. In fact, the software is only partially accessible with JAWS.

 

Fortunately, I was able to obtain an annual license for JAWS. The amount of income I will get from this job will never be enough to live on. As for whether or not JAWS is using scripts, I have no idea. I am only learning as much of it as I need to in order to do the work. It seems to be a huge and extremely complicated piece of software, 95% of which I will never use. If it weren’t for the license there is no way I could ever afford it.

 

Quinten, thank you for those links. I am not familiar with object navigation, etc. However, I would still like to find someone to take a look at this program to see whether or not it could be used with NVDA before diving into that information.

 

Thanks for all of your input. Any more comments or recommendations are greatly appreciated.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: October 21, 2021 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

 

Have you talked to the company (or developers) about the accessibility of the package?  As others have asked, do you know if it uses Jaws scripts to enable it to work with Jaws?

 

If regular navigation isn't getting you around the software, are you familiar with the review cursor and object navigation?  They are NVDA concepts for moving around text and objects which is otherwise inaccessible with normal navigation.  You can find them in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA but if you are not already familiar with them, I'd strongly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA which goes into much more depth on them and has exercises and activities to practice your skills: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:58 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

I am looking for someone in Canada certified in NVDA training to work with me to see whether there is any way to use NVDA with the proprietary software used by the company I contract for. The program is supposedly only compatible with JAWS which I am using now. I have tried NVDA with no success. NVDA is so much faster and more responsive. I would really like to be able to use it if possible. This would involve sharing my screen as the software is tied to my computer. If this is something that you may be able to help me with, please contact me directly at jbrandly@.... I will compensate you for your time.

 

Thank you,

 

Janet Brandly


 

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Re: Changing to Thunderbird and threaded view

Blake Roberts <BEarlRoberts@...>
 

Daniel,
You can switch Thunderbird to threaded conversations by going into the TB View Menu (alt+v), Sort By submenu and turn the option on by checking "Threaded" checkbox. I tried threaded view briefly and chose to use "Unthreaded" instead.

I suggest that you join the Thunderbird group on groups.io to get feedback from TB users about how easy Threaded mode is. You can also  ask any additional TB questions there.
https://groups.io/g/thunderbird
Relevant email addresses for the Thunderbird group, including subscribing, are at the link above. The primary/intended audience is screen-reader users.


Blake


Re: NVDA and OCR software

Dave Grossoehme
 

I tried to print it and received a few blank pieces of paper.  When looking farther I received an error that the document didn't completely loaded.

Dave


On 10/20/2021 3:50 PM, Gene wrote:
You say which needs to be esigned.  Does that mean scanned?  If you are printing it as an alternative, try opening the document and printing it in a browser such as Chrome, Edhge, Brave or Firefox.  I don’t know what is causing the problem but that may allow you to print it.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and OCR software
 

Good Afternoon:  I can open other PDF files with Adobe with no problem.  It's just this file, which needs to be esigned, that is causing a problem.  That's what seemed to be questionable.

Dave

 

On 10/18/2021 3:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 04:48 PM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

When I open the pdf, I was told that it didn't load completely.  So, I tried again.  Then I tried printing it and all I received was blank pages, checked by a sighted person.  . . . Yet I sent this email with attachment to my sighted son, who isn't running any screen reading equipment and he could open it with no problems.

Dave

-
Then we are back to there is something wrong that is virtually certain to be limited to your computer, and I'd say most likely with your PDF reading software.

So, just as there is the consistent advice to "try another browser," when there are issues with a webpage, the same applies to PDF readers:  try another alternative.  Under Windows 10 the Edge browser itself does a bang-up job of opening PDFs, so I'd try opening that same document in Edge rather than Adobe Reader DC to see if the result is different.  If it is, then uninstall and reinstall Adobe Reader DC.  If it's not, then start doing the repair steps for Windows.


Re: Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

Gene
 

I would think that Silenzio might work.  I believe I read about an NVDA add-on that deals with this problem as well.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA
 
hi  Bhavya,
there is some amount of loss in speech with nvda when using bluetooth headphones as far as I know there is no fix for it
 
 
On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 23:11, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,

I am currently using NVDA 2021.2 with the Bluetooth Audio add-on
installed and enabled on a Windows 10 machine. With it, I am using a
pair of Bluetooth headphones with my laptop, both of which are
Bluetooth 5.0 compatible. Still, from time to time, especially when I
am reading short stringgs like an alphabet or a monosyllable, the
initial bit of the speech is cut off. Are there any ways to minimize
the cutoff or fix it entirely? Please let me know.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/





 
 
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Re: NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

Gene
 

You have allowed your question to be answered with the additional information.  With my punctuation level set to some, I hear dot if there is something wrong such as if I accidentally have typed two dots instead of one.  I am writing this as constructive criticism and not specifically to criticize you, since I see this happen many times.  When describing a problem, it is important to discuss the conditions and not leave things out.  What you currently stated is an important condition.
 
To hear no periods in the case you describe, dset punctuation level, set with Numpad key, p to none.  I never hear dot spoken no matter if the period is in a link or not with this setting.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"
 

If you are using the say all command or reading line by line , then maybe your punctuation level needs lowering, try setting it to some and see what happens then

 

 

From: Suhas Dharwad
Sent: 22 October 2021 16:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

On 10/22/2021 19:28, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Possibly because Theres a dot at the end of the link, but without any examples its difficult to give an explanation why it says dot in your case

 

Hi,

I'm talking about when the dot is out of the link. For instance:

 

Goodreads

 

On 10/22/2021 19:45, Gene wrote:

I’m not sure why this is happening.  This may solvve the problem.

You can try setting the level for the actual symbol to high.  That means it will only be spoken in high.  I’m not talking about setting the general level.  There is more than one case for determining when a period is spoken. 

 

Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a try.

 

On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

I'm using One Core.  It's the same with SAPI5.

 

 

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On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Suhas Dharwad
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 6:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

Hi everyone,

 

I've been wondering why NVDA says "dot" after reading a link on a web page or any where else, even when the say symbol is set to "some".

Are there any uses for this happening? Because I don't see any uses for this. Is  there a way to modify this behavior?

I tried using speech dictionary  to modify it, but without any success.

 

Thanks

 

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Re: NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

Tyler Spivey
 

Symbol level is used in NVDA+p and Punctuation/symbol level in the voice settings, so both are valid. People simply don't test what they write, even if the testing takes a few seconds, so the advice here can be hit or miss.

The reason this happens is because NVDA splits the content before and after the link. Example from the log:

Speaking ['This is a ', 'visited', 'link', 'test', '.']

This log fragment is almost useless, because it shows the processing at too high a level for what we need. But I know that if you write a . on its own NVDA will say dot. So combining those two, we get the behaviour you're seeing.

The speech dictionary is useless here, it it doesn't have enough information about what it's speaking to try to fix it. Nor do addons.
Your only options are:

1. Report an issue on GitHub to get this looked at and maybe fixed.
2. Set your . in Punctuation/symbol pronunciation to level most and send only below symbol's level.
There are two dots, you don't want the . sentence ending.

If you do this, make a note of what the settings were before, because NVDA has no way of restoring these to factory defaults. If you do need to restore these to factory defaults for some reason, delete symbols-en.dic in your NVDA user configuration directory and restart NVDA.
To get there, type %appdata%\nvda into the run dialog or find "Explore NVDA user configuration directory" in the start menu. On my system, it's under All apps, NVDA, or the search box should find it.

On 10/22/2021 10:35 AM, Suhas D wrote:
The punctuation is already set to "some".
I should have added "punctuation Level" instead of "Symbol Level" in the subject.  It got confusing I guess.
I apologize for the mistake.
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On 10/22/2021 22:00, Chris via groups.io wrote:

If you are using the say all command or reading line by line , then maybe your punctuation level needs lowering, try setting it to some and see what happens then

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*Sent: *22 October 2021 16:35
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

On 10/22/2021 19:28, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Possibly because Theres a dot at the end of the link, but without
any examples its difficult to give an explanation why it says dot
in your case

Hi,

I'm talking about when the dot is out of the link. For instance:

Goodreads <https://goodreads.com>.

On 10/22/2021 19:45, Gene wrote:

I’m not sure why this is happening.  This may solvve the problem.

You can try setting the level for the actual symbol to high.  That
means it will only be spoken in high.  I’m not talking about
setting the general level.  There is more than one case for
determining when a period is spoken.

Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a try.

On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code
factory’s elocrash. What are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

I'm using One Core.  It's the same with SAPI5.

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On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code
factory’s elocrash. What are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Suhas Dharwad
*Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 6:37 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is
Set to "some"

Hi everyone,

I've been wondering why NVDA says "dot" after reading a link on a
web page or any where else, even when the say symbol is set to "some".

Are there any uses for this happening? Because I don't see any
uses for this. Is  there a way to modify this behavior?

I tried using speech dictionary  to modify it, but without any
success.

Thanks

Suhas
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Changing to Thunderbird and threaded view

Daniel McGee
 

Hello all


Like on my iPhone, is it possible to switch from every message individually and have messages grouped into Conversation threads with thunderbird andNVDA.

Following this question, is it then easy to keep track of the different conversations using this email client plus the above fore mentioned screen reader.

Looking forward to hearing from anyone about this.

kind regards

Daniel


Re: NVDA Responsiveness in Versions of Microsoft Office

Bhavya shah
 

Dear Quentin,

Thanks for your helpful response. I will review the articles you
linked and try to follow their troubleshooting suggestions. In the
meantime, I do want to make sure, as you advised, that all my Word UIA
bugs are reported on GitHub. Currently, I am using the search phrase
"is:issue is:open label:component/UIA-ms-office" which is showing up
only 3 open tickets. Is there another broader or narrower component
for Word UIA? In case there are tickets you are aware of that should
be but are not tagged appropriately, could you add the relevant
components to them?

Thanks.

On 9/28/21, Jujube <ellaxyu@...> wrote:
Thanks Quentin for the reminder. I'll admit I'm very new to github, so I
definitely have not checked closely. I'll check again.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 1:58 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
wrote:

Have you checked whether these are all reported on
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Using UIA will become the default in time, so it's important that those
testing things like this, ensure they are reported.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 4:20 PM Jujube <ellaxyu@...> wrote:

I have a feeling that UIA support is still kind of janky at best and is
still under development, and yes, typing is much snappier in word with
UIA
turned on, and this computer has rather limited system resources btw. I
know this isn't quite on topic, but I'll also mention a few things I
noticed in Excel with UIA support turned on, and btw I have both office
16/365 (or something like that) which I got from my college for viewing
narrated powerpoints and office 2007 (I know, I know, it's so old but
that's what my family has). I found the following, particularly with the
newer office version (and sorry I know this is Excel):
- Pressing NVDA+Space does not switch between browse an focus modes.
- Pressing NVDA control C and NVDA control R does not allow you to set
automatic row and column header reading.
- Commands to select an entire row (shift + down arrow) and commands to
select an entire column (control shift down arrow) don't work as
intended.
Instead, I get something like (selected 1 through 1) which isn't right.
And yes, none of these are a problem with UIA turned off.

And a few issues with excel and braille displays (and yes speech is
perfectly fine here):
- When I enter browse mode and navigate between cells, nothing on the
braille display changes but I hear all the contents read out to me in
speech. This is not at all an issue in focus mode (and yes I did report
this on NVDA issue tracker under the name mrsviolafangirl).
- When using the newer version of Excel (and yes this happens no matter
if UIA is enabled or not), when I type into a cell with a braille
display
connected, the contents of what I'm entering is not showing up on the
braille display (but it is spoken just fine in speech) and I have to
press
escape or enter to read what I typed on the braille display. This is a
non
issue in my old MS Excel 2007.
And yes, I'm well aware that the number of people who use braille
displays is quite limited so I totally understand if braille display
issues
are hard to reproduce.

Okay sorry for commenting on excel issues on this thread, but if there's
some little quirks using NVDA with MS office that can use some fixes,
it's
worth mentioning lol.

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Re: Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

tim
 

No problems using boes, skull candy headphones or my samsung live buds.

On 10/22/2021 1:48 PM, udit pandey wrote:
hi  Bhavya,
there is some amount of loss in speech with nvda when using bluetooth headphones as far as I know there is no fix for it


On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 23:11, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,

I am currently using NVDA 2021.2 with the Bluetooth Audio add-on
installed and enabled on a Windows 10 machine. With it, I am using a
pair of Bluetooth headphones with my laptop, both of which are
Bluetooth 5.0 compatible. Still, from time to time, especially when I
am reading short stringgs like an alphabet or a monosyllable, the
initial bit of the speech is cut off. Are there any ways to minimize
the cutoff or fix it entirely? Please let me know.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/







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Re: Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

udit pandey
 

hi  Bhavya,
there is some amount of loss in speech with nvda when using bluetooth headphones as far as I know there is no fix for it


On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 23:11, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,

I am currently using NVDA 2021.2 with the Bluetooth Audio add-on
installed and enabled on a Windows 10 machine. With it, I am using a
pair of Bluetooth headphones with my laptop, both of which are
Bluetooth 5.0 compatible. Still, from time to time, especially when I
am reading short stringgs like an alphabet or a monosyllable, the
initial bit of the speech is cut off. Are there any ways to minimize
the cutoff or fix it entirely? Please let me know.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/







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Re: NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

Suhas D
 

I've tried Espeak, One Core, and SAPI 5. And it's the same everywhere.

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On 10/22/2021 23:12, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Okay, have you tried another synth? Is that the same?

 

 

From: Suhas D
Sent: 22 October 2021 18:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

The punctuation is already set to "some".

I should have added "punctuation Level" instead of "Symbol Level" in the subject.  It got confusing I guess.

I apologize for the mistake.

 

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On 10/22/2021 22:00, Chris via groups.io wrote:

If you are using the say all command or reading line by line , then maybe your punctuation level needs lowering, try setting it to some and see what happens then

 

 

From: Suhas Dharwad
Sent: 22 October 2021 16:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

On 10/22/2021 19:28, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Possibly because Theres a dot at the end of the link, but without any examples its difficult to give an explanation why it says dot in your case

 

Hi,

I'm talking about when the dot is out of the link. For instance:

 

Goodreads

 

On 10/22/2021 19:45, Gene wrote:

I’m not sure why this is happening.  This may solvve the problem.

You can try setting the level for the actual symbol to high.  That means it will only be spoken in high.  I’m not talking about setting the general level.  There is more than one case for determining when a period is spoken. 

 

Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a try.

 

On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

I'm using One Core.  It's the same with SAPI5.

 

 

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On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Suhas Dharwad
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 6:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

Hi everyone,

 

I've been wondering why NVDA says "dot" after reading a link on a web page or any where else, even when the say symbol is set to "some".

Are there any uses for this happening? Because I don't see any uses for this. Is  there a way to modify this behavior?

I tried using speech dictionary  to modify it, but without any success.

 

Thanks

 

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Re: NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

Chris
 

Okay, have you tried another synth? Is that the same?

 

 

From: Suhas D
Sent: 22 October 2021 18:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

The punctuation is already set to "some".

I should have added "punctuation Level" instead of "Symbol Level" in the subject.  It got confusing I guess.

I apologize for the mistake.

 

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On 10/22/2021 22:00, Chris via groups.io wrote:

If you are using the say all command or reading line by line , then maybe your punctuation level needs lowering, try setting it to some and see what happens then

 

 

From: Suhas Dharwad
Sent: 22 October 2021 16:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

On 10/22/2021 19:28, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Possibly because Theres a dot at the end of the link, but without any examples its difficult to give an explanation why it says dot in your case

 

Hi,

I'm talking about when the dot is out of the link. For instance:

 

Goodreads

 

On 10/22/2021 19:45, Gene wrote:

I’m not sure why this is happening.  This may solvve the problem.

You can try setting the level for the actual symbol to high.  That means it will only be spoken in high.  I’m not talking about setting the general level.  There is more than one case for determining when a period is spoken. 

 

Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a try.

 

On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

I'm using One Core.  It's the same with SAPI5.

 

 

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On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Suhas Dharwad
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 6:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

Hi everyone,

 

I've been wondering why NVDA says "dot" after reading a link on a web page or any where else, even when the say symbol is set to "some".

Are there any uses for this happening? Because I don't see any uses for this. Is  there a way to modify this behavior?

I tried using speech dictionary  to modify it, but without any success.

 

Thanks

 

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Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I am currently using NVDA 2021.2 with the Bluetooth Audio add-on
installed and enabled on a Windows 10 machine. With it, I am using a
pair of Bluetooth headphones with my laptop, both of which are
Bluetooth 5.0 compatible. Still, from time to time, especially when I
am reading short stringgs like an alphabet or a monosyllable, the
initial bit of the speech is cut off. Are there any ways to minimize
the cutoff or fix it entirely? Please let me know.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
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Re: NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

cisco
 

Hello there,

 

I can confirm that the issue is present with Espeak-ng.

Best regards.

Francisco.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 6:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

I think I've even seen "link dot" as well if the period is outside the link and that's at some for me. I need to play, but I'm using elocrash here. I have not tried with one core or espeak as of yet to see if I can reproduce the issue.


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On 22 Oct 2021, at 9:30, Chris via groups.io wrote:

If you are using the say all command or reading line by line , then maybe your punctuation level needs lowering, try setting it to some and see what happens then

 

 

From: Suhas Dharwad
Sent: 22 October 2021 16:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

On 10/22/2021 19:28, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Possibly because Theres a dot at the end of the link, but without any examples its difficult to give an explanation why it says dot in your case

 

Hi,

I'm talking about when the dot is out of the link. For instance:

 

Goodreads

 

On 10/22/2021 19:45, Gene wrote:

I’m not sure why this is happening.  This may solvve the problem.

You can try setting the level for the actual symbol to high.  That means it will only be spoken in high.  I’m not talking about setting the general level.  There is more than one case for determining when a period is spoken. 

 

Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a try.

 

On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

I'm using One Core.  It's the same with SAPI5.

 

 

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On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Suhas Dharwad
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 6:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

Hi everyone,

 

I've been wondering why NVDA says "dot" after reading a link on a web page or any where else, even when the say symbol is set to "some".

Are there any uses for this happening? Because I don't see any uses for this. Is  there a way to modify this behavior?

I tried using speech dictionary  to modify it, but without any success.

 

Thanks

 

Suhas
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Re: NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

Suhas D
 

The punctuation is already set to "some".

I should have added "punctuation Level" instead of "Symbol Level" in the subject.  It got confusing I guess.

I apologize for the mistake.


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On 10/22/2021 22:00, Chris via groups.io wrote:

If you are using the say all command or reading line by line , then maybe your punctuation level needs lowering, try setting it to some and see what happens then

 

 

From: Suhas Dharwad
Sent: 22 October 2021 16:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

On 10/22/2021 19:28, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Possibly because Theres a dot at the end of the link, but without any examples its difficult to give an explanation why it says dot in your case

 

Hi,

I'm talking about when the dot is out of the link. For instance:

 

Goodreads

 

On 10/22/2021 19:45, Gene wrote:

I’m not sure why this is happening.  This may solvve the problem.

You can try setting the level for the actual symbol to high.  That means it will only be spoken in high.  I’m not talking about setting the general level.  There is more than one case for determining when a period is spoken. 

 

Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a try.

 

On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

I'm using One Core.  It's the same with SAPI5.

 

 

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On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Suhas Dharwad
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 6:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

Hi everyone,

 

I've been wondering why NVDA says "dot" after reading a link on a web page or any where else, even when the say symbol is set to "some".

Are there any uses for this happening? Because I don't see any uses for this. Is  there a way to modify this behavior?

I tried using speech dictionary  to modify it, but without any success.

 

Thanks

 

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Re: NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

Sarah k Alawami
 

I think I've even seen "link dot" as well if the period is outside the link and that's at some for me. I need to play, but I'm using elocrash here. I have not tried with one core or espeak as of yet to see if I can reproduce the issue.


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On 22 Oct 2021, at 9:30, Chris via groups.io wrote:

If you are using the say all command or reading line by line , then maybe your punctuation level needs lowering, try setting it to some and see what happens then

 

 

From: Suhas Dharwad
Sent: 22 October 2021 16:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

On 10/22/2021 19:28, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Possibly because Theres a dot at the end of the link, but without any examples its difficult to give an explanation why it says dot in your case

 

Hi,

I'm talking about when the dot is out of the link. For instance:

 

Goodreads

 

On 10/22/2021 19:45, Gene wrote:

I’m not sure why this is happening.  This may solvve the problem.

You can try setting the level for the actual symbol to high.  That means it will only be spoken in high.  I’m not talking about setting the general level.  There is more than one case for determining when a period is spoken. 

 

Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a try.

 

On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

I'm using One Core.  It's the same with SAPI5.

 

 

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On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Suhas Dharwad
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 6:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

Hi everyone,

 

I've been wondering why NVDA says "dot" after reading a link on a web page or any where else, even when the say symbol is set to "some".

Are there any uses for this happening? Because I don't see any uses for this. Is  there a way to modify this behavior?

I tried using speech dictionary  to modify it, but without any success.

 

Thanks

 

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Learn how to extract images from a PDF with NVDA

TheeQuinn Public
 

Check out my new video. In this video I show you how to download, install and use a program (watch the video to find out) to extract images from a PDF. You can then convert the images to text with your OCR of choice. Enjoy.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dU9MlAKWjM


Re: NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

Chris
 

If you are using the say all command or reading line by line , then maybe your punctuation level needs lowering, try setting it to some and see what happens then

 

 

From: Suhas Dharwad
Sent: 22 October 2021 16:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

On 10/22/2021 19:28, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Possibly because Theres a dot at the end of the link, but without any examples its difficult to give an explanation why it says dot in your case

 

Hi,

I'm talking about when the dot is out of the link. For instance:

 

Goodreads

 

On 10/22/2021 19:45, Gene wrote:

I’m not sure why this is happening.  This may solvve the problem.

You can try setting the level for the actual symbol to high.  That means it will only be spoken in high.  I’m not talking about setting the general level.  There is more than one case for determining when a period is spoken. 

 

Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a try.

 

On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

I'm using One Core.  It's the same with SAPI5.

 

 

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On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Suhas Dharwad
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 6:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

Hi everyone,

 

I've been wondering why NVDA says "dot" after reading a link on a web page or any where else, even when the say symbol is set to "some".

Are there any uses for this happening? Because I don't see any uses for this. Is  there a way to modify this behavior?

I tried using speech dictionary  to modify it, but without any success.

 

Thanks

 

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Re: Downloading the emoticons for NVDA

Nancy Shackelford
 

I got the problem solved, but I'm glad to have the other links anyway.
I had to click on the Emoticons link and have that as the main page,
then I was able to download the stable version. Again, thanks for the
other links.

Thanks,
Nance

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